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Re: WHO ARE THE JEWS AND WHEN WERE THEY REGATHERED?

GATHERING PEOPLE TO ISRAEL, GOD'S SERVANT, IS GATHERING TO JESUS

Jesus is actually called Israel, God's servant, in Isaiah 49.

“Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O ISRAEL, in whom I will be glorified.”
(Isa 49:1-3)

Some might question this, however when we keep reading we find verse 6 is quoted in the New Testament to prove that this is indeed speaking of Jesus.

“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”
(Isa 49:6)

The Apostles interpreted this very passage as being fulfilled when they turned to the Gentiles to preach the Gospel.

“Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.”
(Act 13:46-47)

And this proves this one called Israel is Jesus. And we must take the Apostles' interpretations of these verses, instead of traditional thoughts derived from denominational writings. We have more things to rid ourselves as we strive to be Apostolics today, that we simply have not noticed were contrary to Apostolic interpretations laid down by the Apostles. We simply never looked at these references very carefully before. And so we agreed with the Baptists that these things speak about a future gathering to the middleeast, when the Apostles used the references in these chapters to speak of their day and our day in the church!

Isaiah 49:6 spoke of restoring Israel. And the manner in which it would be done was through the cross. Verse 8 shows this is also speaking about the church age.

“Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;”
(Isa. 49:8)

Tradition has said this is a future day past our time. But the Apostles said differently!

“We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain. (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succored thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)”
(2 Cor. 6:1-2)

Paul said the acceptable time and day that Isaiah spoke of is now -- it’s the day of salvation, not a regathering to a physical land! This demands that we realize that if the Apostles interpreted these things spiritually as applicable to the church, then so must we! Will we disagree with the apostolic foundation upon which the church is built in order to continue repeating some man-made traditions that the apostles never spoke about?

Jesus was given as a covenant to the people! His body and His blood themselves formed our covenant! And we inherit desolate heritage through Christ in the New Covenant. All of this points to the cross and the church age, and not to a post-church-age time of Jewish workings in the physical land in the east.

Jesus is the servant Israel, as Acts 13:46-47 noted. And we read that the gathering of the people would be to Israel in the sense of Israel being Christ!

Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold: all these gather themselves together, and come to thee. As I live, saith the LORD, thou shalt surely clothe thee with them all, as with an ornament, and bind them on thee, as a bride doeth.
(Isa 49:18)

They gather and come together to Jesus! Through the cross! This is the gathering to Israel. They are then the bride, or the church, for the church is the bride obtained through the laying down of Christ's life, as Adam laid down his life and the woman bride came from his side.

All of this gathering occurs with a question raised to teach a lesson of when this is fulfilled.

“The children which thou shalt have, after thou hast lost the other, shall say again in thine ears, The place is too strait for me: give place to me that I may dwell. Then shalt thou say in thine heart, Who hath begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and removing to and fro? and who hath brought up these? Behold, I was left alone; these, where had they been?”
(Isa 49:20-21)

He has children? Where did he get them? Others were lost in this gathering. But there are new children. Where did they come from?

“Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders.”
(Isa 49:22)

This is the CHURCH! Gentiles have come into the picture in this gathering to Israel, God's servant, known to be Jesus according to Acts 13.

Once again, Israel will never be gathered by God when in disobedience. God did not gather Israel in the 1948 dealings in the establishment of Israel as a nation. All Scriptures speaking of regathering always begin speaking about New Testament covenantal terms if you continue read the entire prophecies. These are references the Apostles interpreted as indicative of the church age. Shall we believe and agree with the Apostles? After all, we are Apostolic!

TABERNACLE OF DAVID

“In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:”
(Amo 9:11)

When the gentiles received the Holy Ghost, as per Peter's testimony at the council in Jerusalem, a word had to be shown to stand upon in order to know what to do about the situation, and whether to circumcise them or not. Peter's testimony was wonderful. And Paul also witnessed of God's work amongst uncircumcised gentiles.

However it was not until James received a word from the scriptures that he applied to the gentiles coming into the church in that very day, that they had their foundation for what to do. James did not quote Amos 9:11 in reference to a future time with the Jews restored to Palestine. But he used that to refer to the then-present time of Gentiles coming into the church.

“And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.”
(Act 15:13-20)

The context of this demands that we see Amos 9:11 as referring to that day long ago in which the gentiles were coming into the church. This is entirely the opposite of what much prophecy teaching has claimed about the restoration of the Tabernacle of David. The restoration is the applied it explicitly to his day and not a future one?
So it is not that these prophecies are being spiritualized away, but that they have been obscure and veritably unknown amongst us due to sheer lack of delving into them. But I have shown that the Apostles clearly and explicitly referred to them as being fulfilled in the church age -- references that we have mistakenly taken to be a return to Palestine of the Jews in 1948.

I propose that the thought of a gathering to Israel in 1948, and before that in steps and stages, has nothing to do with God's gathering efforts, since these prophecies speaking of that regathering were all referenced by the Apostles as speaking spiritually of the church. And we know the Apostles' interpretations are the ones we should rely upon rather than prophecy books and texts written in the last 200 years or so.

You will find these prophecy texts of our day thereby contradict the very words of the Apostles.

Many prophecies are plainly understood by us due to sheer repetition of them. We know them like the backs of our hands. However, would to God these other references would have been repeated as much, and correlated with the interpretations made by the Apostles. They've been there in our Bibles for 2000 years, but we simply favored other texts and did not much refer to these in our repeated preaching. And therefore it seems odd to look at these as speaking of the Cross and Jesus and the church age. But the Apostles' witness validates that very interpretation!

We need to study and repeat these as much as we've repeated the others, and make them all better known amongst our churches.


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Wow!! I mean Wow!! This is Powerful stuff!! What a message!! I started out with this study just presenting more information, but upon studying the Scriptures that were included in this study, I am now totally convinced that this is true.

Again, I find the problem lays in the difference between carnal and spiritual…it all boils down to that! That is the vast difference between worshipping IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH, or believing in the ‘religions’ of man…the traditions of man-made concepts because they have not the Holy Spirit!!! When Jesus spoke about man’s blindness He spoke about being SPIRITUALLY blind!!

It was FINISHED AT THE CROSS!! Why does man insist on making it something future?

The following are some of the best parts of this study…I am repeating them because they are extremely important, and have made such an impact on me:


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Let me point out that Israel was never regathered while in disobedience. God only gathered them in their obedience, and waited until they turned to Him again before He would guide them in any form. In what manner did Israel obey the Lord and turn to Him in obedience for 1948's alleged "gathering" to be led and orchestrated by God? None! Israel is in disobedience. God will never gather Israel in disobedience.

Paul said that commandment that Israel had to obey was the word of faith that the Apostles preached! Have we long ago abandoned an Apostolic tenet and were not even aware of it, by proposing that this commandment of God in Deut is something aside from what the Apostle Paul clearly interpreted it to be? Will we take the interpretations of the Apostles or shall we not? Will we take Baptist and Plymouth Brethren and dispensational traditions, that none of the Apostles ever preached, of a future gathering to Palestine of Israel despite their disobedience?

Every one of these prophecies that speak of a regathering of Israel always begin speaking in New Covenant terms, and we need to recognize how the Apostles referred to these terms as being New Covenant.

Jesus is actually called Israel, God's servant, in Isaiah 49.

“Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O ISRAEL, in whom I will be glorified.”
(Isa 49:1-3)

Some might question this, however when we keep reading we find verse 6 is quoted in the New Testament to prove that this is indeed speaking of Jesus.

“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
(Isa 49:6)

Paul said the acceptable time and day that Isaiah spoke of is now -- its the day of salvation, not a regathering to a physical land! This demands that we realize that if the Apostles interpreted these things spiritually as applicable to the church, then so must we! Will we disagree with the apostolic foundation upon which the church is built in order to continue repeating some man-made traditions that the apostles never spoke about?

Jesus was given as a covenant to the people! His body and His blood themselves formed our covenant! And we inherit desolate heritage through Christ in the New Covenant. All of this points to the cross and the church age, and not to a post-church-age time of Jewish workings in the physical land in the east.

They gather and come together to Jesus! Through the cross! This is the gathering to Israel. They are then the bride, or the church, for the church is the bride obtained through the laying down of Christ's life, as Adam laid down his life and the woman bride came from his side.

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Jesus truly IS all and everything! He IS the temple…He IS the Sabbath…He IS Israel and He fulfilled all prophecies and established His Kingdom at His first Coming. He came to make a Way for His people….Savior of the whole world. He totally accomplished what He came to do!!! His Second Coming is to Judge.

It is all SPIRITUAL….it has nothing to do with this material world and as long as we do not see that we are blind!!! His Kingdom is not of the world…..that should be a major clue right there!

Studying this has been so revealing, another major ‘revelation’ for me that fits so perfectly with all the others! Jesus is Israel, Jesus is the New Covenant and His People are gathered unto Him, when they believe and are born again SPIRITUALLY FROM ABOVE!

That and only that is how the natural Jews will also be regathered…the 1948 carnal establishment of a physical Jewish State is just another man-made, Satan inspired, attempt of the wolves deceiving the sheep. This deception runs deep and high and wide and has been perpetrated for hundreds of years!!

I, for one, am thrilled to be seeing the Truth. I am now convinced, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the State of Israel is a lie. They are still, to this day, in disobedience, and are simply unbelievers with no special calling beyond the Call of Jesus to come to Him, be born again and be saved.


JESUS IS ALL AND EVERYTHING!!!!

Patti C.