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WHO ARE THE JEWS AND WHEN WERE THEY REGATHERED?


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Hello all,

These subjects are sensitive and many will not want to even consider what is being presented here. I have to say this is new to me; I never gave it a second thought and believed what I was taught about the Jews and their regathering into the land of Israel. In fact, the forming of the Jewish state is the very foundation of almost all of end time prophecies and is believed to be a miracle of God…but is it? Could it be another grand deception out of the synagogue of Satan? Part of a plan set in motion right after the healing of the beast’s deadly head wound?

This study deals first with who the Jews are, and then with the regathering.

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Who are Jews?

Who are the Jewish people of today related to? What does DNA science reveal about who are the ancestors of the Jews?

The answer to these questions about the history of the Jewish Ashkenazi or Khazar Jews empire will shock you, and will no doubt cause you to question everything you know about modern day Jews and the state of Israel.

We’re going to cover some ground-breaking information that is based on factual science; not someone’s opinion, not what the news reports, and not what Christian teachers say.

The title may cause you to think that this study will be “antisemitic” but as you will soon learn, that is not possible.

Let’s start with the understanding that a person can convert to the religion of Judaism and call themselves a ‘Jew’, even though they’re not an actual descendent of Abraham.

With that in mind, you will be shocked to learn that the newest DNA research science from Dr. Eran Elhaik and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, have confirmed that:

97% of the 17 million of the world’s Jews ARE NOT descendants of Abraham.

The various groups of Jews in the world today DO NOT share a common genetic origin, and their genome is largely Khazar.

In fact, DNA research shows that the Palestinians actually have more Israelite blood than do the Khazar ‘Jews!’

Today they’re called Ashkenazi Jews, but they are a Jew by religion, not by blood. Most of them have Turkish-Mongol DNA.

The Khazar heritage of Ashkenazi Jews is a historical fact, and hence forfeits their Biblical Right to Palestine, which is often cited by Israeli leaders and fundamental Christian supporters.
So who are the Jewish Khazars?

From 652-1016 A.D., there was a medieval kingdom of Khazaria that included part of modern day Russia, Ukraine, and a sliver of what is now Kazakhstan.

They were warriors who worshiped many false gods, making them ripe for invasion.

They were being pressured by the Holy Roman Empire in the West, Russian Orthodox Christians in the North, and from the Islamic Caliphate in the East.

Russian Prince Vladimir would force people to become Christians, or cut off their head.

In the 8th Century, under the reign of King Bulan, they adopted Judaism as their religion. And when the king converts, everyone converts.

This was not a spiritual choice, just a way to avoid conflict with other countries.

Talmudic Rabbi’s were brought in from Babylon, to teach the people Jewish traditions.

After a few hundred years, the people were fully converted to their beliefs.

They were steeped in Judaism rituals, and became “self-styled” Jews with their clothing, beards, long hair on the side, etc…

The Khazarian Empire was a war-like people, who used to be hired out by other countries for battles, so they were already very domineering.

The Jewish Babylonian Talmud told them they could rule the world and have all of the wealth, so they embraced the global domination view of the Talmud.

Prince Vladimer of Russia did attack Khazaria, causing the Khazar Jews to flee. Then Genghis Khan conquered the land and the rest of them fled.

The Khazar Jews settled in Russia (they pretended to be Christian to hide there), Hungary, Poland, Germany, and elsewhere in Eastern Europe.

The history of the Jewish Ashkenazi people is one of domination.

They would infiltrate government and financial institutions to take control through unethical actions, causing countries to pass laws to kick them out.

Here is a partial list of all the countries (and corresponding years) from which the Jews have been legally banished from, over the last thousand years:

France(1182, 1306, 1322, 1394); Upper Bavaria(1276, 1442); England(1276); Saxony(1349); Hungary(1360, 1582); Belgium(1370); Slovakia(1380); Austria(1420); Cologne(1424); Augsburg(1438); Netherlands(1444); Brandenburg(1446, 1510); Warsaw(1483); Spain(1492); Italy(1492, 1540); Lithuania(1495); Portugal(1496); Naples(1496, 1533, 1541); Prussia(1510); Bavaria(1551); Prague(1541, 1557); Hamburg(1649); Vienna(1669); Slovakia(1744); Bohemia(1774); Moscow(1891).
Then due to persecution in Germany and other countries, they were pressed into migrating to Palestine, which became the modern state of Israel.

Not to diminish the tragedy of so many people dying at the hands of the Germans, but since the Ashkenazi Jews aren’t the descendants of Abraham, a homeland should have been created for them in their old land of Khazaria, not in Palestine.

Many also fled to the United States. Today, there’s an estimated 7 million Ashkenazi Jews in the United States, 6 million in Israel, and 4 million worldwide.

Historical scholars have written about the ‘fake’ Khazar Jews for over 100 years.

In 1867, the great Jewish scholar Abraham Harkavy, in “The Jews and Languages of the Slavs,” said that the Jewish Yiddish language came from the Khazars, not the Hebrews.

In 1899, famous British historian Houston Stewart Chamberlain published “The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century,” which held that the Jews were not a race,
but instead, were “*******s” (as they had no common blood lineage).

The 1905 Jewish Encyclopedia Vol. XI p 533, stated that ‘probably 95% of the persons included in these estimates of Jewish populations are Ashkenazim‘.

By 1966, Jewish Historian Nathan M. Pollock, had devoted 40 of his 64 years trying to prove at least 6 out of 10 Israelis and 9 out of 10 Jews in the Western Hemisphere have no Semite blood! He and a host of others have gathered an incredible amount of documentation on this FACT!

The 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia documents that approximately 90% of the world’s so-called Jews are Khazar. A. N. Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, says that the majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Immigration statistics indicate approximately 90% of the world’s so-called or self-styled ‘Jews’ living in 42 countries of the world are emigrants of Eastern European Khazar Jews.

In 1976, a prominent Jew named Arthur Koestler published a book called “The Thirteenth Tribe: The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage,” which was a bombshell. Though it was written to be a refutation of Hitler and the Nazis, it had incredible unintended consequences.

He wrote: “The large majority of Jews after World War II in the world, were of Eastern origin-and thus perhaps mainly of Khazar origin. If so, this would mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan, but from the Volga; not from the Canaan but from the Caucausus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race.

Genetically, they are more closely related to the Hun, Uigur and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Should this turn out to be the case, then the term anti-Semitic would be VOID OF MEANING, based on a MISAPPREHENSION shared by both killers and victims. The story of the Khazar Empire, as it slowly emerges from the past, begins to look like the most cruel HOAX which history has ever perpetrated.”

In 1999, Kevin Brooks wrote the book, “The Jews of Khazaria”, which provides historical information on the Khazarian culture and their conversion to Judaism.
Invention of the Jewish People - KhazarsIn 2007, University of Tel Aviv history teacher, Schlomo Sand, verified their Turkish-Mongol heritage in his book called “Invention of the Jewish People.”

He says that the “Jews are not a race and have no Israelite connection.”

DNA research confirms that 97% of “Jews” are NOT descendants of Abraham.

In 2001, Dr. Ariella Oppenheim, a biologist at Hebrew University, published the first extensive study of DNA and the origin of the Jews. Her research found that virtually all the Jews came from Khazar blood.

She also confirmed that the Palestinians — the very people whom the Jews have been persecuting since 1948 — had more Israelite blood than did the Jews.

Dr. Eran Elhaik and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, proved through DNA science today’s Jews are not related to Abraham, but they descended from the Khazars.

Entitled, “The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses”, and published by the Oxford Journal on behalf of the Society for Molecular Biology and Evolution, the study confirms Oppenheim’s research and the many scholarly books.

What exactly is the “Khazarian Hypothesis?” Simply stated, it holds that the Jewry genome is a mosaic of ancestries which rise primarily out of the Khazars.

Jesus said Jerusalem would be trodden down by the Gentiles until the “time of the Gentiles” is fulfilled.

Since the “time of the Gentiles” has not been fulfilled yet, if in fact it really was true Jews who control Jerusalem, then that would make Jesus wrong.

But these Ashkenazi Jews, including every Israeli Prime Minister, are “Gentiles” who have illegitimately taken control of the land of Israel.

Knowing who Jews are and who aren’t the Jewish people of the Bible, should be common knowledge.

Why has this ground-breaking news not been revealed to the world?

The Jesuit-controlled Ashkenazi Jews are able to suppress the research books and DNA findings, because they own and control:

◾Associated Press and Reuters; which delivers the news to the world’s media.

◾Fox News, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSN, and every other major news channel.

◾Most radio stations, major newspapers and the top magazines.

Just as they invaded countries throughout history; they have infiltrated the U.S. government, financial institutions, and businesses, to take control.

“Controlled opposition” figures like Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, etc., are censored by them. The Jesuits allow them to give you some of the truth (to make you think that they’re defending you), but they never give you the whole truth.

Rabbinical Torah Jews believe that the Zionist state of Israel is illegitimate in the eyes of God and that it DOES NOT represent Jews or Judaism.

Torah Jews study God’s Torah only, not the Satanic Egyptian Kaballah or the Babylonian Talmud, that the Ashkenazi Jewish leader study and revere.

They believe that the world must know that the Ashkenazi Jews have illegitimately seized the name “Israel” and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people!

They believe that contemporary sovereignty over the Holy Land belongs to those who have lived there for centuries, the Palestinians. They desire to live in peace and harmony with their Muslim Brethren, as their ancestors did.

What are the implications of these DNA findings on their control of Israel?

Since they are not of the ancestry of Abraham, they have no right to the land of Israel, or to persecute the Palestinians, whom they kicked off of the land.

In another study, we’ll focus on how the state of Israel was created by the Jesuits via the Rothchild family, and what their end-times plans are for it.

For now, just realize that all three of the major religions (Christianity, Judaism and Islam) look to Jerusalem as their holy place, so as the Jesuits move us towards a New World Order, they will use Jerusalem as their world headquarters.

In order to do that, they had to take control of the land.

This also helps them deceive Christians about end-times prophecy, as they have conditioned us to look to the state of Israel.

Now that you know that 97% of Jewish people are Khazar Jews, what will you do?

Will you heed what Jesus told us in Revelation 2 and 3, about “them which say they are Jews and are not?”

Will you trust Jesus declaration that “Gentiles” will trample the land, until the time of Gentiles is fulfilled?

Will you accept modern DNA science as legitimate and valuable in proving the truth of God’s Word?

Or will you return to the programming of the Jesuits?

Hitler came to power with the understanding that: “If a lie is told long enough, by enough people… even those who know it is a lie… will begin to believe it as the truth!!”

Friend, we’ve been lied to about the Jews. And Christians have blindly accepted what we’ve been taught, instead of searching out truth for ourselves.

I’m not saying that all Christian Pastors have intentionally done this, but there are many pro-Israel pastors who aren’t teaching you the truth.

This end-times deception about the Jews and Israel changes everything!

Ask the Holy Spirit to show you the truth about who are the Jewish people.

Repent of your former beliefs.

Pray for the true Israelites and Palestinians that they would come to accept Jesus as their Messiah.

Pray for the true Israelites and Palestinians as they face persecution from the Ashkenazi Jews.

Stop your support of the nation of Israel, and refocus your support on “spiritual Israel,” your brothers and sisters in Christ.

Spread the message of these important findings, as your family in Christ needs to understand the truth.

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Re: WHO ARE THE JEWS AND WHEN WERE THEY REGATHERED?

The Regathering Deception


Most Pastors teach that the modern state of Israel represents the regathering of the Jews, but if you’ve read our “Jews Who Are Not Jews” study, then you know that 97% of the people who call themselves Jews are NOT descendents of Abraham.

And God has no reason to regather people who say they are Jews, but are not.

The fact is that there’s no need for a regathering in the end times, because it already occurred BEFORE Jesus first coming.

The house of Israel and the house of Judah were rejoined by Jesus, their promised Messiah and King, in the New Covenant.

Modern teachers make Christians think that the regathering only involves the Jews, but the Bible tells us that the regathering involved people from all of the Israelite tribes.

Jesus confirmed that some of the house of Israel had regathered when He said,
“I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Matthew 15:24

He didn’t say that He was sent for the Jews only, He said that he was looking for lost sheep from ALL of the Israelite tribes.

It was easy for Jesus to find the Jews, as they had regathered in the area of Jerusalem, in Judea. The prophecy of Daniel 70 Weeks tell us that they returned from Babylonian captivity to rebuild the temple and city, to prepare the way for the Messiah.
Jesus was in Jerusalem during feast days and when He went the final time to die on the cross of Calvary.

But the majority of the time He ministered in the areas north of Jerusalem, where the house of Israel used to live before the Assyrians scattered them, and where they had regathered.

Remember that God split the Israelites into two kingdoms after Solomon worshiped foreign gods.

The Southern Kingdom, called the House of Judah, consisted of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin.

The Northern Kingdom, called the House of Israel, consisted of the other 10 tribes.

The prophet Isaiah told the house of Israel that Jesus would shine on them again.

In the midst of Isaiah telling the house of Israel that the Assyrians would come to disperse them from the land, he gave them hope that the Messiah would shine on them when they would be regathered before His coming.

Isaiah 9:1 “Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations.”

2 “The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.”

6 “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

7 “Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.”

The land of Zebulun and Naphtali in Galilee, were the parts that principally suffered in the first Assyrian invasion.

And they were the first that enjoyed the blessings of Jesus (the promised light) preaching the Gospel, and exhibiting His miraculous works among them.

Matthew 4:13 says that Jesus began His ministry in Capernaum, in the regions of Zebulun and Naphtali, where two of the ten tribes of the House of Israel used to live.

Jesus found most of His disciples in Galilee. Simon Peter and his brother Andrew, James and his brother John, were all fishing in the Sea of Galilee when Jesus called them.

The disciples were from the house of Israel and the house of Judah.

Modern teachers make us think that the disciples were all Jews, but that is not true. Most of them were born and lived in the areas where the 10 tribes of the house of Israel used to live, indicating that their families had returned to the land that was once theirs.

Simon Peter and his brother Andrew were from Bethsaida, Galilee.

John and James, the sons of Zebedee, were also from Bethsaida, Galilee.

Philip also was from Bethsaida, Galilee.

Matthew the Evangelist was from Nazareth, Galilee.

Simon the Zealot was from Galilee.

Bartholomew was from Endor.

Thomas was from Jerusalem.

Jude, the son of James, who was surnamed Thaddaeus, was from Jerusalem.

James, the son of Alphaeus, aka James the Less, was from the Jordan.

Judas Iscariot, the betrayer, was from the town of Sekharyût.

John the Baptist was of the tribe of Levi.

Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, was from the tribe of Asher.

Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin. He was a Roman citizen, as he was born in Tarsus, which proves that he had regathered to Jerusalem.

Jesus and His disciples preached the gospel to the house of Israel.


The Regathering of Israel and Jesus ministry to them

Jesus “came to his own” – the house of Judah, the Jews – “and his own received him not.”

Jesus said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

He ministered in Bethsaida Julias, Caesaria Philippi, Cana, Capernaum, Chorazin, the Decapolis, Gennesaret, Jericho, Nain, Nazareth, Perea, the Region of the Gadarenes, Samaria, Sidon, Sychar, and Tyre. (Jerusalem is marked by RED. YELLOW marks the places where Jesus ministered.)

When Jesus sent His disciples out, He said, “But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Jesus came to offer them a New Covenant, as the Sinai Covenant had failed because of the Israelites idolatry and disobedience.

Ezekiel 36:24-26 foretells the time of the regathering, and it speaks of a time when God would write His laws on their hearts.

“For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.”

Jeremiah 31:31-34 echoed the same promise of a time when Jesus would offer a new covenant to the house of Israel and the house of Judah, where the laws would be written on their hearts. In Hebrews 8:8-10, Paul confirmed that this was fulfilled during Jesus ministry.

“Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the LORD. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.”

Ezekiel 27 points to Jesus New Covenant which rejoined them.

16 “As for you, son of man, take a stick for yourself and write on it: ‘For Judah and for the children of Israel, his companions.’ Then take another stick and write on it, ‘For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel, his companions.”


The name Ephraim refers to the house of Israel.


19 “Surely I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will join them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand“

God says that He would rejoin Judah (the house of Judah) and Ephraim (the house of Israel), so that they were unified as Israelites again.

17 “Then join them one to another for yourself into one stick, and they will become one in your hand.”

Ephesians 1:10 confirms that Jesus fulfilled this prophecy, “in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth–in Him.”


v22 “I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again.”

Their promised king is King Jesus.

v24 “David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them.”


Jesus is the Good Shepherd, who is called the son of David.

v26 “Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them, and it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore.”

It’s referring to the same covenant as Jeremiah 31, which Jesus confirmed at His first coming.

v27 “My tabernacle also shall be with them; indeed I will be their God, and they shall be My people.”

Ephesians 2:20-22 tells us that the tabernacle of David is a spiritual temple, not one made by man. It’s a temple that unites those from the house of Israel, the house of Judah and Gentiles together, under the Good Shepard, Jesus the Messiah.

“..having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone, in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit“
Hebrews 13:20 confirms that Jesus came as the Shepherd to offer them an everlasting covenant.

“Now may the God of peace who brought up our Lord Jesus from the dead, that great Shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant.”

The early church consisted of people from the house of Israel and the house of Judah, who accepted Jesus as their promised Messiah.

In Acts 2:36, Peter said, “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

3,000 Israelites repented and were baptized that day; and the Lord added daily those who were being saved.

Can you now see that the regathering of the house of Israel and the house of Judah has already occurred?

The context of the modern state of Israel, which is led and occupied by fake Jews, should now make more sense.

God has no reason to regather the Jews in the end times, and He surely won’t defend a nation of people who claim to be the descendents of Abraham, but are not. They don’t even worship the God of the Bible, rather their study their Babylonian Talmud and Egyptian Kaballah.

The covenant to the house of Israel and the house of Judah was offered by Jesus during the 70th week of Daniel.

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Rather a lot to take in, I know. Hard to imagine how deep this elaborate deception goes!! If this is true it has major implications, and shatters the whole picture of the end times that has been painted by churches, pastors, writers etc., for decades!!!

Since this is new to me, I will be doing more research into it, but have to say, at this point, that I believe what was said here is true.
As always, I encourage each to find out for yourself...

JESUS IS ALL AND EVERYTHING!!

Patti C.


Re: WHO ARE THE JEWS AND WHEN WERE THEY REGATHERED?

DNA contradictions abound! DNA is not an exact science, and therefore there are disagreements among the so-called experts. the information you give, that 97% of Jews are of Khazarite origin (presented by scholars from Johns Hopkins and other institutes) is directly challenged by other genetic studies.

Unfortunately, I am not in a position to direct you to these studies specifically, because I didn't take notes when I read the material. I was looking for DNA information for my own private knowledge, not intending to write a paper or present a position. But the studies I read, a year or two ago, wrote that most Jews ARE descended from the J1 group, which is the most prominent group descending from ancient Israel and the surrounding territories. This included what would today be Arab and other ethnicities, so it is not easy to tell if a J1 person is Jewish or "other" in their ancient descent, but it would probably exclude Kazaria. Kazarites have a different DNA marker than J1. I think it is rendered "K" but I am not sure at this time. I am just sure it is not J or J1.
Many people who do not appear Jewish have some J heritage. I do. My mother was 100 % Irish, and one of the sources recounting the migration of J DNA said that Ireland is the highest European country in terms of J inheritance along the maternal line or haplogroup. Ireland is 11% J1 in modern times. My mother, my son, an I are all J1c2b. My son's children will not have J unless their own mother is a J person, and I do not know what her maternal haplogroup is. Because my son had no daughters, J1 is ended in our line.

Paternal DNA studies have also verified that the majority of modern Jewish men have a non-Kazarite background. The famous "Kohen" study showed that over 85% of men who claim descent from the ancient Levites do indeed have this DNA. This is why it was easy to find plenty of young men in Israel to train for temple service. Their DNA shows they are Levites. Many have the names associated with this, such as Cohn, Cohen, Levi, Levinson, etc. But some have names which got altered. So the DNA is required for those who enter temple training in Israel with the goal of becoming priests.

I am going to stop this part of my reply here because I do not have sources except in my head, but be assured I really wanted to know if my J1 inheritance led to ancient Judea. I am not Jewish within modern times, but I was curious to see if there was a chance my DNA really was Jewish, on my mother's side. Obviously, this J1 inheritance goes down the maternal side and there were plenty of non-J people who married all those hundreds of women in the generations which miraculously handed this DNA to me, long after the Jews left the Holy Land.

I do not see why God would not want to regather his converted Jewish children, in any case. If they are sometimes Kazarite, they are still cultural Jews, descended from many generations of people who were observant Jews.

The sources I found may be not more authentic than the sources you quote, Patti. We both could be "off" because our scholarly sources could be in error. I know how difficult DNA studies are because I'm associated with a group of people who want or need DNA testing to determine if they have a particular genetic glitch, but Cornell-Weill, the only facility to test for this, has been in error several times, perhaps many times, in our long experience with their testing of this. it has caused economic loss (testing is expensive) and profound frustration, with some members of the group testing negative the first time but positive the next time that Cornell-Weill did their studies on this "glitch". Maternal haplogroup testing is easier than this, fortunately, but obviously you and I have been reading different studies which have varied results. Who is right? I don't know!

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Hi Mariel!

Thanks for your comments, they are informative and a good addition to this thread. As I stated, I am new to all this and have not studied it as in depth as you have done, so I really appreciate what you have discovered on the subject.

Even considering it as a possibility seemed a bit far fetched to me, but with all the other deceptions that abound it just had to be looked into. I must say I do need to look into it more, as it is a major concept that changes everything.

Thanks again for adding your insightful comments, and what you have found from your own research.

YSIC

Patti C.

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Hello Patti,

I remember writing about this once in my post about the 144,000 and "Facing the Truth" I believe. It is a very insightful topic that I don't believe anyone really wants to unfold. My husband and I stumbled upon the truth and it was truly an eye opener. It is very obvious to me that not many want to go and find what we did, and it is hidden in plain site. I must say also, that I do not trust anything man can put his hands on, not anymore...like DNA. but what we found, the bible makes very clear. My question to those who oppose it must prove the Most High wrong.

It appears that man has found ways to discount what really happened, especially in 70 AD. I say this because of the second half of the article, for Christ has not regathered His people, yet! And I really could, because of our research relate to the first part of this article you posted, but the second part was far off from what we have found. It is very easy to uncover because of the identifying signs Christ gave us Himself.

I am glad you encouraged all to search it out for themselves, that is what it is going to take. With everything you are finding, I do believe it will not be such a surprise to you, understanding that many, many things have been lies. Remember,

Jer 16:19
"...the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, "Surely our fathers have inherited lies..."

I see you want to do some more research on this and I want to post some videos that will help in that research. However, for anyone wanting to know the truth, the real truth, they can find the answers by simply following the roadmap laid out by The Lord on who His people are, and where His people are, and when they will return to the land in Deuteronomy 28:15-68.

I believe, this is why the emphasis was placed on the Christian church, through the use of Paul's writings to do away with physical Israel and has been steered away from in depth study of the Old Testament scripture. It is why people were not permitted to learn how to read, and it is why people have been killed and bibles were kept out of the hands of the "lay" person. It explains everything you posted as far as part one. It hurts, its ugly for all who discover its truth and it explains so very much. This is why I said, the Church is as guilty, and took part in the crafty council of Psalm 83..that the name of Israel be remembered no more.

I will post the videos on another post OK!

Thanks for you taking the time to post these interesting topics Patti, they make for good discussions.

Blessings to you,

Blessed Be His Name


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Dear Linda,

Your comments are very interesting and I find it so encouraging that the Lord is placing it on many peoples hearts to seek and find the Truth. For me it has become difficult to trust so many of the things I have been taught in churches and in Bible College, and up until about 7 months ago, I did!!

Studying the Bible on my own, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit has been a rather shocking experience...and very humbling. I thank the Lord for the Reformation...how awful it would be to continue to trust the enemy for the Truth about the Bible!! How fortunate we are to have our own copy of the Bible,(KJV of course) and be able to search out for ourselves what is true. Though it is only through a glass darkly, as these end times unfold it seems we are beginning to see more clearly.

The Lord is pouring out His Spirit at this time, and though it might not be on the modern churches, it surely is being poured out on true believers. It is as if we are being prepared for something mighty to occur, and must know the truth in order to be open channels through which Christ will pour His Spirit as the latter rain.

I will have to go back and read the article you mentioned about the 144,000, or maybe you could bump it up to share again. How wonderful for you and your husband to share this journey into truth as where two are gathered in His name there He is among you. Thank you for sharing from the heart, and encouraging others to seek and find. I know we do not agree about everything, but I totally appreciate your input and even-handed style that makes discussions meaningful and warm hearted.

Yes, I do need to research more on the 'regathering' and any helpful hints in that area are welcomed. Again, thank you for your informative comments and your kindness.

Blessing to you, too!

Patti C.

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Hello Mariel,

I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your excellent input into this subject. If the above article by Patti is even partially true as written by her author than God's Word is completely wrong about the descendants of Abraham being like the sands of the sea. This rendition sounds like there might be a truck full of that sand left that are called Jews/Israelites/12 Tribes of Israel or whatever else one may want to call them.

Jesus was born in the region of the Judah, which includes Bethlehem but not Jerusalem, which is within the Tribal area of Benjamin. That was the area known as the Southern Kingdom after the time of Solomon. The Northern Tribes were known as the House of Israel. They were dispersed into all directions. So the quote by Jesus, "But go rather to the lost sheep of the House of Israel", is telling his followers not to concentrate only upon the Jews of the Southern Kingdom but to find the Lost Sheep, who had intermarried with the Gentiles and tell them the good news.

As for the Elite of the ruling class of today, they would be classified as those that call themselves Jews but are of the Synagogue of Satan. Yes, the Rothschild were instrumental in bringing about the creation of the modern State of Israel. You can be sure, it would never have been done had not been in the timing of the Heavenly Father. It is there that He will deal with the imposters.

Many of the Palestinians do have Jewish DNA since those dispersed ones had migrated into the other Arabic nations and took up the customs of those lands. Truth be known, most that are called Palestinians are people from all of the Arab countries who, in their wanderings, settled the area and were then used by the United Nations as a spring-board for the present conditions today in the land. It is the Jewish pretenders that want to destroy the True Jews, just as they did during the WWII Holocaust and it is a grievous injustice to muddle these suppositions together as if they are facts. One way or another Satan means to destroy the original of God's people and the grafted in. What better way than to discredit them; who are, the lost sheep of the House of Israel.

One more thing. The Palestinians living in the land when Israel was declared a state had the choice to stay there and be citizens of Israel. They were told by the Arab nations to flee and once Israel was defeated, they could go back to their land. Well, they fled and now are refugees based on the fact they believed those Arab leaders. After Israel prevailed, those refugees were not allowed into the Arab nations but remain today, in squalor conditions because their leadership has hoarded the millions poured in by other nations on themselves, not caring for the condition of the people. Now, these that want to finish Israel off have the perfect sob story to tell the world, "Look at these poor people how they are treated?" But what they don't tell you is that it is their own leaders, tools of the Illuminati, who put them there and keep them there.

Thank You for you expert information,
gerlinda

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FOR FAIR USE EDUCATION AND DISCUSSION PURPOSES

Link of article or video : http://www.mikeblume.com/regather.htm

I am adding this study to this link for 2 reasons. One being it is an excellent study and belongs on this thread as a continuation of the subject matter, and two as a counter point to Gerlinda’s comments on the Jews as God’s favored people and His elect, and their still future regathering.

Israel is God’s elect people, not the Jews! And they are regathered under the New Covenant and the promised land is New Jerusalem, that all born again believers (Spiritual Israel) will inherit, not a fake Jewish state.

This is important and it is time we try and wrap our minds around these truths and get over all the lies we have been taught about these
issues!!


HOW THE REGATHERING OF ISRAEL WAS INTERPRETED BY THE APOSTLES

http://www.mikeblume.com/regather.htm

Hello all,

In continuing to look into the possible ‘Regathering deception” I have found a couple really good studies that I think are eye opening and Biblically supported. As usual, I am always interested in what the early church taught. This first study is all about what was taught by the Apostles, and directly from the Bible. I am finding that the possibility of being deceived on this issue looms large. Again, it seems the carnal understanding has taken precedence over the spiritual, and from this, other misconceptions abound.

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HOW THE REGATHERING OF ISRAEL WAS INTERPRETED BY THE APOSTLES

By MF Blume

Many prophecies are so familiar to us, not because they are so plainly evident as prophecies easily recognizable in fulfillment, but mostly because we've heard them over and over again. But there are other prophecies that are simply vague only in the sense that their lack of mention has obscured them in our minds. Traditions are amongst us all. And all traditions propose certain tenets and tend to stress them more than others in the holy writ. Our job as ministers is to search out all the scripture, and learn what the Apostles knew and wrote about.

Some prophecies that deal with what many think to be physical fulfillment in a regathering of Israel to the middle eastern land of Palestine, are in fact proposed by the apostles to not be speaking about that at all. If we call ourselves Apostolic, it is incumbent upon us to ensure we study the Apostles' interpretations of various prophecies and references, and note the context they used for them.

The chapters of the prophets that have been touted to propose a regathering to Palestine in our day and time were not talking about that at all. Paul and the writer of Hebrews quotes several Old Testament prophecies and use their specifics in application to the apostolic experience of new birth and the kingdom of God today in the church. These references for some reason have been made obscure in our traditions, that, I think, God is trying to correct and align more properly to what the Apostles preached and taught concerning them.

JEREMIAH'S REGATHERING PROVEN TO SPEAK OF THE CHURCH

Hebrews clearly is speaking about our covenant, which we presently enjoy.

"For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."
(Heb 8:7-13)

And if you go back to the reference in Jeremiah from which this is taken, you discover that it is actually PART of a prophecy dealing with regathering Israel after their scattering!

"At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people. Thus saith the LORD, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest. The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee. Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry. Thou shalt yet plant vines upon the mountains of Samaria: the planters shall plant, and shall eat them as common things. For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto the LORD our God. For thus saith the LORD; Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the nations: publish ye, praise ye, and say, O LORD, save thy people, the remnant of Israel. Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither."
(Jer. 31:1-8)

"Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock."
(Jer. 31:10)

“Is Ephraim my dear son? is he a pleasant child? for since I spoke against him, I do earnestly remember him still: therefore my bowels are troubled for him; I will surely have mercy upon him, saith the LORD. Set thee up waymarks, make thee high heaps: set thine heart toward the highway, even the way which thou wentest: turn again, O virgin of Israel, turn again to these thy cities.”
(Jer. 31:20-21)

And here is the passage Hebrews 8 quotes:

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke, although I was a husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
(Jer 31:31-34)

And in this manner we continue and read that God will remember Israel forever, as follows immediately after these verses above.:

“Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me forever. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.”
(Jer. 31:35-37)

Catch the entire context of scriptures that I propose people have erringly thrown off into our future as speaking about regathering to Palestine. It is a regathering through the cross. These are scriptures that our apostolic foundation of epistles interpreted as our covenant and our day.

There are many more.

MOSES' REGATHERING MESSAGE IN DEUTERONOMY

Moses was told by God that God would scatter Israel, but ensure that He return them under one condition. They must obey the commandment of the Lord.

“And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee, And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee. If any of thine be driven out unto the outermost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee: And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.”
(Deu. 30:1-5)

They must obey His voice. Let me conclude that Israel was never gathered by God in the past, nor ever will be gather in our future, without being in obedience to God.

Then we start reading, once again, words and terms used by the Apostles to refer to our covenant and our new birth experience.

“And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.”
(Deu. 30:6)

And then God uses more words that we find repeated in Romans in reference to the Gospel:

“For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.”
(Deu. 30:11-14)

What is the commandment they must obey before God will regather them?

Let me point out that Israel was never regathered while in disobedience. God only gathered them in their obedience, and waited until they turned to Him again before He would guide them in any form. In what manner did Israel obey the Lord and turn to Him in obedience for 1948's alleged "gathering" to be led and orchestrated by God? None! Israel is in disobedience. God will never gather Israel in disobedience.

In fact, Paul quotes this section and informs us what that commandment is which Israel must obey before He will regather them according to Deuteronomy 30.

“But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;”
(Rom 10:6-8)

Paul said that commandment that Israel had to obey was the word of faith that the Apostles preached! Have we long ago abandoned an Apostolic tenet and were not even aware of it, by proposing that this commandment of God in Deut is something aside from what the Apostle Paul clearly interpreted it to be? Will we take the interpretations of the Apostles or shall we not? Will we take Baptist and Plymouth Brethren and dispensational traditions, that none of the Apostles ever preached, of a future gathering to Palestine of Israel despite their disobedience?
We have heard of coming to Zion with praise, and the nations coming to her, and have heard that this was future and that Israel would gather back to physical Mount Zion in the middle east after the church is removed from the earth. However, the Epistles once again state in no uncertain terms, that we are already at Mount Zion, since we've come into the New Covenant!

ISAIAH'S GATHERING TO MOUNT ZION

“The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.”
(Isa 2:1-3)

After telling us we do not have a covenant that was given from an earthly mountain that could not be physically touched, we read our covenant is as follows:

“But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
(Heb. 12:22-24)

We are already come to Mount Zion! We already have come to the heavenly City New Jerusalem! This is what the Apostles preached. But we have repeated words contrary to these Apostolic tenets that denominational folks have proposed. We carried these traditions out from their ranks when we saw light and left them. And we need to drop these anti-Apostolic interpretations.


ISAIAH 11 THROUGH 12 AND THE WOLF .AND LAMB PROPHECY

Isaiah 11 speaks of Christ coming as the Branch, a rod from the stem of Jesse.

“And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.”
(Isa 11:3-4)

And Jesus, Himself, repeated this righteousness judgment of His in John 8:15-16, and told people to do likewise.. John 7:24.

“Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.”
(Joh. 7:24)

“Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.”
(Joh. 8:15-16)

And we read the oft interpreted passage of the wolf laying with the lamb, and take that physically to be a time when animals will actually be liberated from the carnivore instincts originally rooted in sin having come into the world. However, the text continues on into the 12th chapter where we read:

“And in that day thou shalt say, O LORD, I will praise thee: though thou wast angry with me, thine anger is turned away, and thou comfortedst me. Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation. Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.”
(Isa 12:1-3)

GOD IS MY SALVATION is the literal interpretation of the Name JESUS. And the thought of drawing waters from the well of salvation likewise infers the New Testament covenant blessings of the Holy Ghost as witnessed by Jesus' words to the woman at the well.

“Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.”
(Joh 4:10-14)

We know this is speaking of the Spirit because we later read:
“In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)”
(Joh 7:37-39)

Every one of these prophecies that speak of a regathering of Israel always begin speaking in New Covenant terms, and we need to recognize how the Apostles referred to these terms as being New Covenant. Virgin birth is so readily known by us all because even traditional denominations have proposed these thoughts. However, the others have been relegated into obscurity, and people have only noted part of these prophecies of regathering and failed to continue reading and see the terminology used that is explicitly cited by the Apostolic writers in the New testament as being indicative of our covenant right now, and not some future physical gathering of Israel when the church is gone!

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GATHERING PEOPLE TO ISRAEL, GOD'S SERVANT, IS GATHERING TO JESUS

Jesus is actually called Israel, God's servant, in Isaiah 49.

“Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O ISRAEL, in whom I will be glorified.”
(Isa 49:1-3)

Some might question this, however when we keep reading we find verse 6 is quoted in the New Testament to prove that this is indeed speaking of Jesus.

“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”
(Isa 49:6)

The Apostles interpreted this very passage as being fulfilled when they turned to the Gentiles to preach the Gospel.

“Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.”
(Act 13:46-47)

And this proves this one called Israel is Jesus. And we must take the Apostles' interpretations of these verses, instead of traditional thoughts derived from denominational writings. We have more things to rid ourselves as we strive to be Apostolics today, that we simply have not noticed were contrary to Apostolic interpretations laid down by the Apostles. We simply never looked at these references very carefully before. And so we agreed with the Baptists that these things speak about a future gathering to the middleeast, when the Apostles used the references in these chapters to speak of their day and our day in the church!

Isaiah 49:6 spoke of restoring Israel. And the manner in which it would be done was through the cross. Verse 8 shows this is also speaking about the church age.

“Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;”
(Isa. 49:8)

Tradition has said this is a future day past our time. But the Apostles said differently!

“We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain. (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succored thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)”
(2 Cor. 6:1-2)

Paul said the acceptable time and day that Isaiah spoke of is now -- it’s the day of salvation, not a regathering to a physical land! This demands that we realize that if the Apostles interpreted these things spiritually as applicable to the church, then so must we! Will we disagree with the apostolic foundation upon which the church is built in order to continue repeating some man-made traditions that the apostles never spoke about?

Jesus was given as a covenant to the people! His body and His blood themselves formed our covenant! And we inherit desolate heritage through Christ in the New Covenant. All of this points to the cross and the church age, and not to a post-church-age time of Jewish workings in the physical land in the east.

Jesus is the servant Israel, as Acts 13:46-47 noted. And we read that the gathering of the people would be to Israel in the sense of Israel being Christ!

Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold: all these gather themselves together, and come to thee. As I live, saith the LORD, thou shalt surely clothe thee with them all, as with an ornament, and bind them on thee, as a bride doeth.
(Isa 49:18)

They gather and come together to Jesus! Through the cross! This is the gathering to Israel. They are then the bride, or the church, for the church is the bride obtained through the laying down of Christ's life, as Adam laid down his life and the woman bride came from his side.

All of this gathering occurs with a question raised to teach a lesson of when this is fulfilled.

“The children which thou shalt have, after thou hast lost the other, shall say again in thine ears, The place is too strait for me: give place to me that I may dwell. Then shalt thou say in thine heart, Who hath begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and removing to and fro? and who hath brought up these? Behold, I was left alone; these, where had they been?”
(Isa 49:20-21)

He has children? Where did he get them? Others were lost in this gathering. But there are new children. Where did they come from?

“Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders.”
(Isa 49:22)

This is the CHURCH! Gentiles have come into the picture in this gathering to Israel, God's servant, known to be Jesus according to Acts 13.

Once again, Israel will never be gathered by God when in disobedience. God did not gather Israel in the 1948 dealings in the establishment of Israel as a nation. All Scriptures speaking of regathering always begin speaking about New Testament covenantal terms if you continue read the entire prophecies. These are references the Apostles interpreted as indicative of the church age. Shall we believe and agree with the Apostles? After all, we are Apostolic!

TABERNACLE OF DAVID

“In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:”
(Amo 9:11)

When the gentiles received the Holy Ghost, as per Peter's testimony at the council in Jerusalem, a word had to be shown to stand upon in order to know what to do about the situation, and whether to circumcise them or not. Peter's testimony was wonderful. And Paul also witnessed of God's work amongst uncircumcised gentiles.

However it was not until James received a word from the scriptures that he applied to the gentiles coming into the church in that very day, that they had their foundation for what to do. James did not quote Amos 9:11 in reference to a future time with the Jews restored to Palestine. But he used that to refer to the then-present time of Gentiles coming into the church.

“And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.”
(Act 15:13-20)

The context of this demands that we see Amos 9:11 as referring to that day long ago in which the gentiles were coming into the church. This is entirely the opposite of what much prophecy teaching has claimed about the restoration of the Tabernacle of David. The restoration is the applied it explicitly to his day and not a future one?
So it is not that these prophecies are being spiritualized away, but that they have been obscure and veritably unknown amongst us due to sheer lack of delving into them. But I have shown that the Apostles clearly and explicitly referred to them as being fulfilled in the church age -- references that we have mistakenly taken to be a return to Palestine of the Jews in 1948.

I propose that the thought of a gathering to Israel in 1948, and before that in steps and stages, has nothing to do with God's gathering efforts, since these prophecies speaking of that regathering were all referenced by the Apostles as speaking spiritually of the church. And we know the Apostles' interpretations are the ones we should rely upon rather than prophecy books and texts written in the last 200 years or so.

You will find these prophecy texts of our day thereby contradict the very words of the Apostles.

Many prophecies are plainly understood by us due to sheer repetition of them. We know them like the backs of our hands. However, would to God these other references would have been repeated as much, and correlated with the interpretations made by the Apostles. They've been there in our Bibles for 2000 years, but we simply favored other texts and did not much refer to these in our repeated preaching. And therefore it seems odd to look at these as speaking of the Cross and Jesus and the church age. But the Apostles' witness validates that very interpretation!

We need to study and repeat these as much as we've repeated the others, and make them all better known amongst our churches.


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Wow!! I mean Wow!! This is Powerful stuff!! What a message!! I started out with this study just presenting more information, but upon studying the Scriptures that were included in this study, I am now totally convinced that this is true.

Again, I find the problem lays in the difference between carnal and spiritual…it all boils down to that! That is the vast difference between worshipping IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH, or believing in the ‘religions’ of man…the traditions of man-made concepts because they have not the Holy Spirit!!! When Jesus spoke about man’s blindness He spoke about being SPIRITUALLY blind!!

It was FINISHED AT THE CROSS!! Why does man insist on making it something future?

The following are some of the best parts of this study…I am repeating them because they are extremely important, and have made such an impact on me:


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Let me point out that Israel was never regathered while in disobedience. God only gathered them in their obedience, and waited until they turned to Him again before He would guide them in any form. In what manner did Israel obey the Lord and turn to Him in obedience for 1948's alleged "gathering" to be led and orchestrated by God? None! Israel is in disobedience. God will never gather Israel in disobedience.

Paul said that commandment that Israel had to obey was the word of faith that the Apostles preached! Have we long ago abandoned an Apostolic tenet and were not even aware of it, by proposing that this commandment of God in Deut is something aside from what the Apostle Paul clearly interpreted it to be? Will we take the interpretations of the Apostles or shall we not? Will we take Baptist and Plymouth Brethren and dispensational traditions, that none of the Apostles ever preached, of a future gathering to Palestine of Israel despite their disobedience?

Every one of these prophecies that speak of a regathering of Israel always begin speaking in New Covenant terms, and we need to recognize how the Apostles referred to these terms as being New Covenant.

Jesus is actually called Israel, God's servant, in Isaiah 49.

“Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O ISRAEL, in whom I will be glorified.”
(Isa 49:1-3)

Some might question this, however when we keep reading we find verse 6 is quoted in the New Testament to prove that this is indeed speaking of Jesus.

“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
(Isa 49:6)

Paul said the acceptable time and day that Isaiah spoke of is now -- its the day of salvation, not a regathering to a physical land! This demands that we realize that if the Apostles interpreted these things spiritually as applicable to the church, then so must we! Will we disagree with the apostolic foundation upon which the church is built in order to continue repeating some man-made traditions that the apostles never spoke about?

Jesus was given as a covenant to the people! His body and His blood themselves formed our covenant! And we inherit desolate heritage through Christ in the New Covenant. All of this points to the cross and the church age, and not to a post-church-age time of Jewish workings in the physical land in the east.

They gather and come together to Jesus! Through the cross! This is the gathering to Israel. They are then the bride, or the church, for the church is the bride obtained through the laying down of Christ's life, as Adam laid down his life and the woman bride came from his side.

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Jesus truly IS all and everything! He IS the temple…He IS the Sabbath…He IS Israel and He fulfilled all prophecies and established His Kingdom at His first Coming. He came to make a Way for His people….Savior of the whole world. He totally accomplished what He came to do!!! His Second Coming is to Judge.

It is all SPIRITUAL….it has nothing to do with this material world and as long as we do not see that we are blind!!! His Kingdom is not of the world…..that should be a major clue right there!

Studying this has been so revealing, another major ‘revelation’ for me that fits so perfectly with all the others! Jesus is Israel, Jesus is the New Covenant and His People are gathered unto Him, when they believe and are born again SPIRITUALLY FROM ABOVE!

That and only that is how the natural Jews will also be regathered…the 1948 carnal establishment of a physical Jewish State is just another man-made, Satan inspired, attempt of the wolves deceiving the sheep. This deception runs deep and high and wide and has been perpetrated for hundreds of years!!

I, for one, am thrilled to be seeing the Truth. I am now convinced, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the State of Israel is a lie. They are still, to this day, in disobedience, and are simply unbelievers with no special calling beyond the Call of Jesus to come to Him, be born again and be saved.


JESUS IS ALL AND EVERYTHING!!!!

Patti C.