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Proverbs 10:30 "The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth."

Revelation 14:19-20 (NKJV)
So the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. 20 And the winepress was trampled outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress, up to the horses’ bridles, for one thousand six hundred furlongs.


Over and over again, we are presented with examples of where people were saved from Destruction BUT none were ever taken UP into heaven, were they?

1. Noah & family rode out the Storm, then left the Ark and started over again, on this Earth

2. Lot & family left the city but remained on this Earth and began all over again when his two daughters mated with him in order to produce children. For it to be said that his going to the mountains typifies a Rapture is grasping at straws to prove a pre-tribulation Rapture. His high mountains was right here on this Earth, NOT Heaven. Exodus 19:20

3. Another example given by pre-tribbers to say this typifies a Rapture is the 7 days spent marching around Jericho when on the 7th and final trip around the city by the Children of Israelites, they ascended. So, let's read the account: "And seven priests shall bear before the ark seven TRUMPETS of rams' horns: and the SEVENTH day you shall compass the city SEVEN times, and the priests shall BLOW WITH THE TRUMPETS...and when YOU HEAR THE SOUND OF THE TRUMPET, all the people shall SHOUT WITH A GREAT SHOUT; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, AND THE PEOPLE SHALL ASCEND UP, every man straight before him."

Again, this is not forecasting a Rapture but it is an accurate account of what God did here on earth for His people. He was magnified before all the pagan people on this earth by His miracles performed on behalf of His Chosen.

If the walls fell down flat, what would the people have to do to get over those walls? They would have to step up and over the walls, (ascend) to enter into the city to take it. It was Sudden Destruction for the citizens of Jericho. Again, it is so wrong to say this typifies a Rapture. You will understand this when you understand what it means to be Raptured as the word is really defined.

4. And then, there is the example of Moses stretching out his hand and the waters of the Red Sea came down upon the men of Egypt. And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and ALL the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them." Exodus 14:27-41. This is not a typology of a Rapture.

Perhaps it is really important to point out, again, what the word Rapture, from the Greek rapere (which is to reap), really is describing.

Also from the Latin, are subreptitious, which means, kept secret, especially because it would not be approved of, is "Snatching Under"

Rapacious (greedly) snatching with the intend to EAT and RAPE. When Paul talks about the Rapture, it is really violent and the best English translations show this connotation. Does that sound like the meeting of the Translated Living with the Dead up to Meet the Lord in the air?

By now, the Believers have learned enough of the Illuminati and the demons that will come forth and those of that Seed-Line already here who snatch bodies in order to EAT and RAPE.

The Illuminati have fore-told their intent by their Illuminati card game where there is the "Rapture Card". To us, at the time, when revealed, it meant going up but to them, it means snatching humans to feed their evil ones that rape, drink the blood and eat the flesh in their Satanic Rituals. Paul understood this and warned about it.

We are now the End Time Generation that could well see a False Rapture where people will be told to go into the Wilderness and then they will be snatched rather than wait for God's Four Angels to do His Work. They are too anxious, not ground in the Word of God. They are deceived.

Those that are so occupied with a Rapture, quite frankly, fail to look at the bigger picture of Bible Prophecy. To them, it is all about proving a pre-trib. Rapture which is exactly what those that follow Lucifer had planned so long ago. There are many of us that also used to believe the same way. Thank God for showing us the truth.

So, in all the examples given by the pre-tribulation believers, there is none that left this Earth but there is a group that will be harvested in the End of Days. See here:

Rev. 14:19-20 (NKJ) "So the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trampled outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress, up to the horses’ bridles, for one thousand six hundred furlongs."

Does this sound like a violent action being taken? What takes place when grapes are harvested in the wine-press? They get squished until all liquid is removed. Now, this could be likened to the Life-Blood of the unbelievers. And when does this take place? Can you say, at the Wrath of God?

The people, especially in the West, have been conditioned to believe that this Rapere is good; it is associated with "Light". II Corin 7:14. " And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

Let me give you another example of where a flood is used. In this case, it is to try to destroy God's people but God intervenes on their behalf. It is yet in the future. Go to Revelation 12:14-16

14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.

Does God rescue this woman who was taken into the Wilderness by the four angels? Or did they make their own arrangements to get into the Wilderness and what Wilderness? Can a people be deceived if they take action outside of God's Word?

And here is where the truth of this teaching has been distorted. Who is the woman? Is it the Elect? Is it Israel? Is it the Church. Is it the true ecclesia made up of natural Hebrews and Gentiles? Yes to all four of these question. These make up "Spiritual Israel which are the Sheep that Jesus Christ came to save?"

If you, a Gentile, has been saved by the Blood of the Lamb, then you have been grafted into the Root, Yahshua. You are not some separate group that gets taken out before Great Tribulation but you are taken to a place of safety just like Moses & Israelites, like Noah & family, like Lot and his daughters. It is a consistent pattern. This so important to understand.

This Forum, RapturebilbeProphecyForum has hammered this topic over and over again and hopefully some of you will graduate to the next class which is the one that knows who it is and to make sure you are among the Chosen.

If you are not among the "Chosen", you have a hard road ahead of you and you will be among the Tribulation Saints. Only God knows who He will give the honor of being among The Chosen. One will have the body and soul saved. The other will have the Body destroyed but the Soul saved. And there will be some who make it to the end. There is NO PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE.

But, let it be understood, not all that say, "Lord, Lord, shall enter the Kingdom of God."

Is that so hard to believe? Is it too hard for you to believe that God can and will provide for His Elect in a place of safety while a/c and his horde go about killing those that didn't get included in the Elect group but are among the Left Behind to face persecution and even death for His sake?

There is one sure scripture that tells us exactly the time of a Meeting in the Air. "1 Thess 4:16-17 (KJV)

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

This is the scripture that, in itself, is the single best proof of when the living get translated to meet the Lord in the Air.

None of this takes speculation because God's Word has made it clear when and what.

The when for the Elect to be taken into the Wilderness is 3 1/2 years before Yahshua's Second Coming.

And again, when does this happen? Before the Wrath of God when He will have his angels gather the Grape Harvest that will leave the blood flowing up to the depth of a horses' bridle in the Final, Great Battle. He will cleanse the earth with fire.

What it takes is keeping the faith and enduring in the time allotted to us on this earth.

Just as He took care of others before us, He will also see us through. Just as there were others that died, there will be His that will die before His Return.

Gerlinda

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