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The Church DID NOT begin on the Day of Pentecost

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Those that believe in Dispensations need to understand that the church DID NOT begin on the Day of Pentecost.

Joe Ortiz, in his book "The End Times Passover" gives the evidence that says:

if only they would take the time to examine God's words more closely. When Jesus told Peter that upon this rock I will build my church (Matthew 16:18), Christ was telling Peter that on the Day of Pentecost His already existing ecclesia would receive the edifying, strengthening or emboldening power from the Holy Spirit, in order for His already existing ecclesia to have the strength it never had before. (see Luke 24:49), Joel 2:28, Ephesians 1:13.

In Matthew 16:18, the word build used by Jesus in this verse is the Greek verb oikodmess, which means to strengthen, edify, embolden. If Jesus wanted to tell Peter He was going to create something new on the Day of Pentecost, Jesus would have used the more appropriate word for creating something new, which is the Greek verb kitzo, to create!

Jesus was not saying He would be creating a new religion (the so-called Christian Church) but, rather, He was telling Peter that through Himself (The Rock) He would strengthen His already existing assembly (ecclesia), this small remnant group (Luke 12:32) of faith believing Israel. How does someone strengthen something that supposedly doesn't exist? If God's eccelsia didn't already exist before the outpouring of Holy Spirit induced power, what was the Holy Spirit giving strength to?

Pages 12-13 of The End Time Passover by Joe Ortiz



You see, fellow believers, there was a Called Out eccelsia when God called out Abraham from the Land of Ur. Abraham did as God told him based on "FAITH".

So, it is a grave mistake to consider ourselves as the beginning of God's Calling out.

But, you will probably say, "We are saved by Grace and there was no Grace at the time of Abraham." Really now?

Who was it that spoke to Abraham and led the Children of Israel those 40 years in the Wilderness before God finally allowed them to enter The Promised Land?

Are you saying that Abraham, the prophets of old and those that followed in Faith are not saved? Heaven forbid that such a verdict be put upon them.

Do you think there has been a blinding in part upon the New Testament Church to make them think they are above the original Children of Faith Called Out by God?

"Many are called but Few are Chosen". [Matthew 22:14] Makes a whole lot more sense now, doesn't it?

If there is no Dispensation or separation from the original Israel, then why would God rapture the eccelsia out seven years before Jesus Christ returns????

Joe Ortiz does a wonderful job of letting God's Word speak for itself. Perhaps, it would be wise for the rest of us to do the same.

Gerlinda

Re: The Church DID NOT begin on the Day of Pentecost

Abraham was the "Called Out Body"

Now, that the evidence has been given that "Called Out" (eccelsia) began right at the beginning of Abraham being called out of the Land of Ur, there is something else that needs to be understood. The body did not start at Pentecost.

It is correct for Bible teachers to support the unification of Gentiles and Jews into one body BUT here is the error: Who was grafted into whom? Was the Gentile believer grafted into the "Called Out Ones who were the Faith Believing Hebrew" or were the Called Out Ones grafted into the Gentile institution now called "The Christian Church"? It is like asking, "Which came first..the chicken or the egg?"

We already know that Abraham, a Hebrew, was the one man that was called out to be separated from the Gentiles around him. Out of Abraham, we have the Faith Believing Israel. Abraham and all of his Faith Believing generations had a Covenant with Almighty God based upon that faith.

The picture of Abraham being obedient by taking his son of Promise, Isaac and offering him to God shows the unwavering faith that Abraham had in his God. He walked the walk. It was at that time, when God stopped Abraham from taking the life of his son to be a sacrifice, that God told Abraham, "I will provide Myself". Abraham understood what that meant and so did the generations after him. They expected God to come in the flesh as the Messiah that would bring Salvation to the world.

Does this modern Christian Church really believe that the generations of Faith Believing Israeli weren't saved? Apparently so. They teach that the Jews/Israelites must become Christians in order to receive that Salvation. They teach that the Jew must be grafted into their Christian Religion. Most do not even understand the difference between an Israeli and a Jew.

Look what the Word of God teaches. It is quite different, to say the least.

Ephesians 2:11-20New International Version (NIV)

11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. 19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. (underlining done for emphasis by me)


Notice the words "excluded"?

Who was once excluded?

Notice the words, "destroyed the barrier"? Who destroyed the barrier...the Church or Jesus Christ?

Who made the two One?

And then, read again these words, "you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people[/u] and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.' (underlining done for emphasis by me)

What was the foundation? That's right; it was the apostles and prophets with Christ Jesus Himself as the chief cornerstone.

The body, the ecceisa was called up long ago, at the first when God called A BODY out of the Gentiles and made a "Peculiar People" through whom the Savior of the World come and through whom the Gospel would be spread into all the world to anyone that would gladly ask for this free gift called Salvation. It was Grace granted unto the Gentile.

It is as Joe Ortiz says in his book,
"Therefore, newly engrafted Gentiles are no longer foreigners and aliens but fellow citizens with God's people. If this body wants to call itself the Christian Church (as it obviously has since Pentecost) so be it! But this new indentification (Christian) which was adopted by this one new body about a year after the Day of Pentecost, does not negate the fact that God's people, His children of promise, are and have been His called Out ones (Greek ecclesia, assembly, congregation) as far back as Abraham, and possibly as far back as Abel, the slain brother of Cain, Adam's son.)


When the Christian Church can get their head wrapped around this fact, they will also stop their put-downs of the fact that the two sons of Joseph, Ephraim and Manassea are the very nations through whom the gospel has gone forth through-out the world as has been scripturally proven by David J. Smith in his videos.

By now, Christians ought to understand the difference between the Jew and the Israelites. They are not one and the same but two separate kingdoms, two separate sticks that will one day be united. The Jew, by and large, are segregated, who still await the Messiah. They live under the Law of Moses. The Israelites, on the other hand is made up of both Hebrews and Gentiles who preach that the Messiah has come and paid the Redemption price.

Pentecost was not the beginning of the Body of Believers. It was the outpouring of the Power of the Holy Spirit upon the Body to be a Helper and Comforter so that the Good News of Jesus Christ could go out into all the world.

The End Time Passover by Joe Ortiz is a priceless help in understanding these truths. You can find that book on-line at this website. Rapturebibleprophecyforum

Gerlinda

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CORRECTION

"When Jesus told Peter that upon this rock I will build my church (Matthew 16:18), Christ was telling Peter on the Day of Pentecost, His already existing ecclesia would receive the edifying, strengthening or emboldening power from the Holy Spirit, in order for His already existing ecclesia to have the strength it never had before, (See Luke 24:49; Joel 2:28; Ephesians 1:13) In Matthew 16:18, the word build used by Jesus in this verse is the Greek verb oikodomeo which means to strengthen , edify, embolden.

I had misspelled the Greek verb oikodemeo with oikodmess.

PLEASE NOTE THE CORRECTION AS IT WOULD CHANGE THE MEANING OF THE GREEK WORD FOR "BUILD". THIS WORLD DENOTES A STRENGTHENING OF AN ALREADY EXISTING ECCLESIA RATHER THAN THE BUILDING OF A NEW ECCLESIA.

Gerlinda

Re: The Church DID NOT begin on the Day of Pentecost

It is so very clear that we are in the midst of Tribulation now in this world. What does it take for Christians to understand this? Heaven forbid that a rocket drop down upon your roof or that someone comes into your home and drags out your daughters to be used for sport by Terrorists.

A reading of Matthew 24 once again with it in mind that the Church is made up of the Lost House of Israel and the Gentiles grafted into that Body of Christ might help to understand why there is no Gentile Church that needs to be taken out.

And it ought to help us understand that God will see us through if He so wills but until His Wrath upon this anti-Christ system, we should be the witnesses that need to be here in order to earn the title "Saints", which the A/C will be persecuting and wearing down.

Gerlinda

Re: The Church DID NOT begin on the Day of Pentecost

I'm thankful that more and more people are getting awakened to the fact that the church is the Ecclesia/Assembly/God's Chosen so that the lie out of Babylon can be put to rest for those that are willingly to search the Biblical Truths instead of the falling for the Fantasy out of Modern Day Rome handed down to her Protestant Daughters.

Re: The Church DID NOT begin on the Day of Pentecost

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