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The above quote taken out of his letter below, was made by Barry Amundsen, whom has the heart of a real Truth Seeker. That is very apparent in the way he wrote this article, which gives information most may not have known previously, although also shared on our Site, concerning II Esdras and Ezra being one and the same man, whom the scriptures (that Barry provided) testify that God commanded him to take 5 men, who could write quickly and go away for 40 days, during which Divine Power came upon them all to write 94 books of which 40 were held back for the Wise that would make the effort to search them out. Do you get what is said here? Barry is showing those who believe they have all of the information because of their own private studies, that they have, basically short-changed themselves and others by declaring that the Books of the Aprocrypha are of no consequences since they were not included in the Authoritive Book of the 1611 King James Bible. If a person sincerely seeks the truth and the whole truth, it will be made known by the Power of the Holy Spirit. A serious thought occurs; that to put down these very books that God dictated to Ezra (Esdras) may be bordering on the very sin known as "Speaking Against the Holy Spirit".

All that the moderator of this site has ever asked is, "Read/Listen to the information before you comment on the subject". That is a very simple request. Otherwise, you really do not have anything to say, do you? Thank You so much Barry for putting into Words of Wisdom what many others of us wish we had been able to do. Gerlinda


Barry Amundsen (3 Aug 2014)
"Question for Pastor Bob and response to Fay"

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Pastor Bob,

I have a question for you.

Suppose you were asked by God to write a book and divide it into two sections. The first section you are instructed to publish and give to everybody, worthy and unworthy alike. But the second section you are to deliver only to the wise among the people.

My question is: how would you accomplish this? How would you make sure that the wise would receive the part intended for them while at the same time keeping it from the unworthy? How would you even know which people are which in order to carry out such an instruction?

I believe the above scenario describes what happened here with Ezra:



I’ll tell you how I believe this was accomplished. First consider that what God told Ezra to write about from which the above is taken concerns many things that have not yet happened on this earth suggesting that it is important to us who are alive at the time of the end, (much like another extra-biblical writing, the Book of Enoch). Consider that we have in our Old Testament a book called “Ezra,” written by this same man. This book is published and “canonized” and is read by everyone, worthy and unworthy alike. But we also have this other book, by this same man, which is also published yet not “canonized” but placed among the Apocryphal books where it is most likely not read by any but those who would be interested to know whether there is anything of value among these books and then also capable of gleaning from them what is good or important. Such individuals as this, I think may safely be called “wise”. By this method, I would submit this special material is able to give enlightenment to the wise and worthy while at the same time it will not be received by the unwise and unworthy. (In much the same way Jesus answered the disciples’ concern when they asked what was to prevent the world from also receiving the Holy Spirit once He is poured out and in answering He said that the world will not receive the Holy Spirit because they cannot see Him.) This makes this method of “discrimination” or categorization especially interesting since in the end it is left up to each individual to decide into which of the two groups he places himself. (I set before you this day two ways…choose…) This answers how it would be that Ezra himself would not have to decide which individuals would get which books. Obviously I feel that this book of 2 Esdras is important.

I bring this up as a response to what I sense is a less than favorable opinion coming from you (Pastor Bob) toward all these “Apocryphal” books among which is found this special book of 2 Esdras (Ezra’s name in another language). Special for a number of reasons, not least of which is its contribution about the movements of the ten tribes of Israel after their captivity ended. It can be set aside as unimportant and not even genuine or it can possibly be of great importance.

Solomon advises that we seek wisdom and understanding as we would seek for gold, silver, and precious stones, but if we are either too busy to do so or just declare ourselves wise enough already with whatever we currently have we can only blame ourselves in the end. I feel sorry for the person with the following response to my posts of videos on the Lost Tribes but see it as a fitting example to illustrate what I’m talking about:

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Fay (27 July 2014)
"Replacement Theology"
Hi John and Doves,

Like many of you, I simply don't have the time to sit through hours of video...
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2014/fay727-1.htm

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That’s fine but whence comes this need to go on to suggest that there is something wrong with someone who does take the time to look into it and by looking, discover the wisdom of God in it? The man in the “more in depth video” (the second one I posted) begins by stating that he used to be on the same side that Pastor Bob is now, a complete unbeliever in the lost tribes are Britain/USA idea. He set out to settle it once and for all and through careful, honest study of every source he could find he discovered what he shares in the video. But for some like the gal above, she doesn't have time to watch and she already knows it anyway. She is making my point for me. We do get to choose what is important to us and what is not even worth a look but to go on to state an opinion without exposing oneself to the evidence placed in front of you is not something I’d recommend doing. She appears satisfied that she has all the facts already and that anyone with information beyond what she understands must be wrong and should “get over it…”

I’m not sure which is worse, to declare an opinion being yet ignorant of the evidence or to claim to have studied it thoroughly and yet come away unimpressed by the evidence and continue to teach against it. Remember the Pharisees used themselves and their opinions about Jesus as proof to others that Jesus was not from God. Yet when Jesus rose from the grave after three days in it, (the proof Jesus gave as a sign and fulfilled it) they paid large sums to the soldiers to tell what they knew to be a lie. Just be careful what you teach to others because it is going to matter.

I don’t want to get into a debate on this subject (Lost Tribes of Israel) here because the info is available elsewhere for those who would seek it and it will all be answered for all to see soon enough. I am confident in my own understanding of this subject and trust that God is capable of dealing with other opinions and the holders of them. I will say this about the DNA “evidence” well, just see my above statement about how the Pharisees were the experts of their day to show you what I think about how I’d place any trust on men as “experts” or holders of the final word on something like this. Nah, thanks anyway. Nail in the coffin indeed, just be careful whose coffin it is. Why does this matter? God’s promises are at stake. And proper understanding of what is yet to come is at stake.

Once the Bride is removed, all of Israel will again be the focus of everything on earth as the time of Jacob's (as in all the tribes, not just the "Jews") trouble begins. Once the rapture happens the church/bride will be gone and what will be left will be the Whole House of Israel to be dealt with by God as the continuation of Daniel’s 70 weeks once again picks up where it left off. The age and dispensation of grace will have ended with us being raised up on the “last day” of that age. It is at that time that all other nations of the world will be against Israel as a whole which we see the beginning of already and God will fight for her as God brings her back to Himself while also destroying His enemies to make way for His kingdom. More will be saved during this time than in all other times previous. But also more will die than ever before in such a short period. I don’t know, but to me this is important stuff to know about.

I wish only to be a signpost and voice for other potential seekers who will seek out the wisdom where God has hidden it for them. I love the fairness and wisdom of God who lets each of us operate from our free will to decide for ourselves what is important and we each will give an account of what we did with the time and talents we were given.

Hope to see you soon!

Barry Amundsen
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2014/barrya83.htm

I'm bumping up this post by Barry Amundsen. It's content is very well spoken.

I used to believe as he does concerning the time of the Rapture as he posted in this portion of his article.

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Once the Bride is removed, all of Israel will again be the focus of everything on earth as the time of Jacob's (as in all the tribes, not just the "Jews") trouble begins. Once the rapture happens the church/bride will be gone and what will be left will be the Whole House of Israel to be dealt with by God as the continuation of Daniel’s 70 weeks once again picks up where it left off. The age and dispensation of grace will have ended with us being raised up on the “last day” of that age. It is at that time that all other nations of the world will be against Israel as a whole which we see the beginning of already and God will fight for her as God brings her back to Himself while also destroying His enemies to make way for His kingdom. More will be saved during this time than in all other times previous. But also more will die than ever before in such a short period. I don’t know, but to me this is important stuff to know about.[/brown]

Through the same kind of research as Barry himself believes is necessary, I have learned that the House of Israel, which Jesus Christ came to save when he said, "I come not but unto the House of Israel", shows that his 72 apostles that He sent out were spreading the Gospel to fellow Israeli and the Gentiles soon joined in accepting His Saving Grace. Therefore, those that God will deal with in the End of Days will be the Jews (Southern Kingdom) who rejected Him.

In other words, we have been learning more and more truth that has been hidden from us by the Jesuits that have had control of so many of the Books. The ecclesia is made up of the Natural Olive Branch and the Wild Olive branch, which are the Gentiles. They are all Believers. When the time comes for the Dead to be raised first and the living changed to meet Him in the air, the ecclesia will be removed. I Thess. 4:16-17. Then the Jews will have their short period of terrible trouble that will make them cry out, "Blessed Is He That Comes in the Name of the Lord." and He will return to save them.

When it is all over, the House of Israel (All believers) will be joined with those Jews who finally accepted their Messiah. The two sticks become ONE.

PS We also have learned that these same Jesuits who kept the Books of the Apocrypha out of the Canonical Books have infiltrated the churches with the false pre-7 year Rapture in order to get their eyes off the Vatican as being the Harlot of Revelation. I know this is one of the hardest things to accept after a life-time of believing differently but the longer the light bulb burns, the brighter it gets for discerning eyes.

This Jade Helm Operation that is encompassing the USA now is proof positive that the Anti-Christ System is about to pull the noose on all of us. Their desire to reduce the population and shove us sheep into their pens is under way. The home-less are already being round up. Who is next?

Gerlinda

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