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While Yahusha/JESUS was alive, He prayed to His Father: "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.  John 17:15 (KJV)

Yahusha/JESUS gave signs of what must happen before His Return:  "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"  Matt. 24:29 (KJV)


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Re: THE DATING OF THE BOOK OF REVELATION

Hi John,

The reason the Jewish wars of 66-70 AD are not, as you say, directly talked about by the the first century Church is because they did not take place before the Books were written, even the Book of Revelation. To me this is actually proof that the Book of Revelation was written before 70AD!

Actually the letters to the churches were sent and the Book of Revelation was read before 70 AD by these churches, and may have had a great deal to do with the saving of all those Christians before these wars began. In that regard it makes a MAJOR difference in when this book was written!!

The whole Revelation to John is Jesus talking about 70AD! At least a major portion of it. So, I for one cannot dismiss this lightly! The ending of the Old Covenant was earthshaking and changed heaven and earth as the old system died and the New spiritual system took its place. The Jews rejected Christ and the New Covenant and continued in their old ways for 40 years until Jesus destroyed everything on earth that had to do with this system.

Actually when we understand this we see that the days right before this destruction, the disciples were warning of this going to happen, and that is why it is said "as in the days of Noah" they were trying to save as many as would be saved. Stephen was stoned because of his warning the Jewish leaders.

No, thinking that the Book of Revelation was written after 70AD totally perverts the Truth of what the Bible is teaching. And to me...THIS MAKES A VERY BIG DIFFERENCE!!

In this instance I have to say I passionately disagree with you. But I do appreciate your taking the time to read and comment on this teaching.

God Bless!

JESUS IS ALL AND EVERYTHING!!

Patti C.

Re: THE DATING OF THE BOOK OF REVELATION

Hi again John,

Boy, a lot went on while I was writing that last response to your first response!! So I want to address what you said here:

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"Patti if the removal of ALL leaven from the house is taking things overboard then I am guilty ohtaking things overboard in the removal of the carnal from my understanding and leaving only the spiritual remaining in my house. But we can either remove it or God will burn it out of His temple with fire

From the dust the carnal was formed, and to the dusr he will certainly return. You say you're looking for truth, then why are you wandering around outside the camp of God and the sanctuary of His Word- and yet to bring these things within when the Lord has said take these things hence"

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I am not saying that understanding the Scriptures in a spiritual way is by any means wrong as that is what the New Covenant is all about!! The Kingdom of God starts slowly in a person and grows just like it has in the world. I agree with you we need to get the leaven out, and Jesus is doing that work in us once we are IN CHRIST. But, that is not to say that the Book of Revelation was not part of the Scriptures that warned of the Old Covenant coming to an end in the physical world in the first century.

To say the the Book was written after the events of 70 AD is actually putting that book outside of the rest of Scripture and saying it applies either in a distant future, or can only be taken spiritually. Both of these do not line up in any way with the rest of the Bible.

Just like Steven says, there is no one teaching that will bring us all truth, and it is learning "here a little there a little". I guess my main point here is finding out the major impact the bringing of this New Covenant had on the whole world of that day, and how that major impact is still being discovered today!!

I so appreciate your "spiritual" understanding of the Word, and did not mean to put that down in anyway...in fact what happened in 70AD just proves what you are saying in regards to the carnal and the spiritual as this is when the carnal totally ended in regards to the Kingdom of God, and the spiritual took its place.

YSIC

Patti C.

Re: THE DATING OF THE BOOK OF REVELATION

Patti you keep using the word 'disagree' when disagreement isn't an option unless you're sayong jewish wars by josephus is part of the bible. If you agree with me that it is not a part of the bible then you agree its not of the WORD OF GOD.

Without adding the word of man to the Revelation and the Olivet prophecies you would not be 'seeing' a 70ad event or a list of roman emporers or late century political upheavals- the only reason you're able to 'see' these things is because josephus and preterism put them in your mind to begin with.

Preterism does what john specifically warned against- do not add anything to the words of the prophecy, and preterism adds books to it, and without those additional word of man no one would be preaching reterist understanding of the revelation. The word of man is the very foundation of the doctrine.

Bear in mind I agree the old passed away and the new was established, and this happened at the cross, but the revelation is not about the finishing of the old but the finishing of the new. Any alleged carnal events of 70ad are irrelevant to understanding the WORD OF GOD. So irrelevant that God didn't even bother to mention the destruction of herods temple and the.ensuing politics of the empire of rome

Re: THE DATING OF THE BOOK OF REVELATION

a quick comment to assist:

Hi John,

Here is the link to the video ....I pray you will take the time to view it.....Do I agree with it 100%?...:)

I hope you will take a look at the video.

http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=3330765498&frmid=8549&msgid=935111&cmd=show


God Bless

Steven
Side Note: I do not subscribe to DOMINION NOW or KINGDOM NOW theology just incase someone wants to "PEG" me in a "hole". ( people like to assume I have found )

Did I mention:

1. THE BIBLE IS THE INERRANT WORD OF GOD

2. JESUS IS GOD'S SON ( JESUS IS GOD )

3. THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS

4. PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater...:)


Re: THE DATING OF THE BOOK OF REVELATION

Hi John,

I have to say that I believe that the dating of the Book of Revelation is an important issue, and you say it makes no difference when it was written. That is where we agree or disagree.

If this study has no relevance to your understanding of what is true, then don't believe it, you have that right. There is nothing wrong with what is being shown here.

Labeling me as someone that only believes in preterism, puts me in a box that you can define and one that you obviously have a great deal of prejudice against. Fortunately, finding out the Truth means more to me than your opinion, or accusations.

Like Steven commented, I, too, am neither into Kingdom Now or Dominion Theology, or Charismatic Theology or any other organized religious groups, I am a truth seeker that is willing to see it as a little here and a little there when rightly dividing the Word.

From what you have shared on other threads leads me to see you as having an Idealist theology, in that the whole of the Bible should be viewed as having only "spiritual" relevance. This may not be true of you, but you get my point.

We disagree on the importance of knowing when the Book of Revelation was written, and on that we can agree to disagree. But, you know what would be nice? For you to put on some of your own studies into what you do believe, so that others could comment on your understanding. I for one would find that very interesting, as you seem very wise on many theological issues.

JESUS IS ALL AND EVERYTHING!!

Patti C.

Re: THE DATING OF THE BOOK OF REVELATION

Well at least we agree the doctrine isn't of God and is founded on the word of man. Since its clearly not of faith since faith comes by hearing the Word of God of which jewish wars is clearly not , preterism can't even be on the table of possibility

About the date I can also conclude that its irrelevant to understanding because no one will everbe able to know when it was written. I give you your guesses but the fact that you are having to post about it plainly shows it is uncertain. For God to require us to know something we can never know in orde to understand His teachings would make God into a bad teacher butHe is the greatest of teachers and therefore cannot cause confusion, which is what is being caused by founding a teaching on uncertainty

Also understand that I'm saying these things not to offend, but simply because you are able to understan them because in you I see an understanding beyond the proverbial curve. Which is a very good thing. but this worldly doctrine and these words of men- if we agree these words are not of God is it pleasing to God to bring these in to the sanctuary of His understanding?

As for my position I would be a furuist and the revelation hasn't begun and the only way God can fulfill it now is if the fulfillment is witnessed by the entire creation because God hasn't testified to the fulfillment in His Word so it must be an all-encompassing event

As for writing threads its beyond my ability most of the time as I am on a roaming tablet deviceand it takes a long time to even type these responses. So I must post here a little there a little. But at the time I am sure we will be able to move faster and hear in a greater fullness