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ISRAEL AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD (Dispensational Beliefs)


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Hello all,

There is much discussed on this site about dispensational beliefs and how these beliefs, and the doctrines that stems from them, have caused much confusion and division among Bible scholars, as to rightly dividing the Word of God, and the timeline of events.

This confusion involves many issues such as the timing of Rapture, the fulfilling of Daniel’s 70th Week, the Millennium now or later, and other components of God’s plan of Salvation. The topic I would like to present a study on today is the Kingdom of God, and how dispensationalists view this kingdom, and when they see it as coming. In doing so, the above issues will also be discussed as they play into when the Kingdom of God was, or is to be established.

As you might guess from reading my other posts that I believe Jesus succeeded in all He attempted to do, and that God’s plan of Salvation was FINISHED AT THE CROSS. The Kingdom of God has been established and is what many consider to be a future millennium, and as born again believers we are already citizens of the Kingdom of Heaven.

This particular study offers many good insights into what the Kingdom of God truly is, and how Israel fits in, in regards to timing and fulfillment. As usual, I encourage each one to find out for yourself, as I know you will be glad you did!!

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Link of article or video : www.graceonlinelibrary.org/eschatology/dispensationalism/

Dispensationalist Beliefs – Israel and the Kingdom of God

By William E. Cox

According to dispensationalists, God has two distinct bodies of people with whom he is working: Israel and the church. There is a separate plan for each of these two peoples. Israel is said to be an earthly people, while the church represents a heavenly body. National Israel’s expectation is an earthly kingdom; the church’s hope is eternal bliss in heaven. While the church realized her goal through belief in the finished work of Christ on the cross, Israel’s goal will finally be realized through legal obedience.

Whereas historic Christianity has held that the purpose of our Lord’s first advent was to die on the cross for the sins of the whole world, the dispensationalist teaches that his real purpose was to establish an earthly kingdom. This, they say, was to have been an earthly, political kingdom over which Christ would have ruled from the literal throne of David, and in which all Old Testament prophecies were to be literally fulfilled.

That is to say children would have played with ferocious animals, lions would have eaten hay while oxen ate lion’s food, and Jesus would have ruled over all with a rod of iron. This kingdom would have been a perfected continuation of the Davidic kingdom of the Old Testament with David’s greater Son, Jesus, ruling in his place for one thousand years.

Before continuing in a further description of dispensational teaching with reference to this alleged earthly kingdom, we should like to state that this teaching (that Christ aspires to sit on the literal throne of David) is one of the many evidences of the weak Christology in the dispensational system.

Even if God should resurrect the throne on which David sat, which throne has long since decayed and turned to dust, it would indeed be a demotion of the lowest order for our Lord, who occupies the throne of heaven, to be a successor to a throne once occupied by an earthly king! And yet this is one of the very highpoints in dispensational eschatology. Jesus, they say, failed once to sit on the throne of David, but at the second advent he is to have that high honor! Our Lord has for nearly two thousand years occupied the throne of which David’s throne was a mere type. Peter depicts this in Acts 2:29-36.

To return now to the dispensational teaching about the kingdom for Israel, they teach that Jesus came to earth the first time fully intending to establish an earthly millennial kingdom with his chosen people, Israel.

Clarence Larkin (Rightly Dividing the Word, p. 51), in describing the ministry of John the Baptist as a forerunner to Christ, said: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord for what? Not for the Cross but for the Kingdom.’

M.R. DeHaan, well-known radio preacher, made the following statement with reference to the first advent of our Lord (The Second Coming of Jesus, p. 98): … the kingdom of heaven is the reign of heaven’s King on earth. This Jesus offered to the nation of Israel when he came the first time, but they rejected it and he went to the cross..

W.E. Blackstone (Jesus is Coming, p. 46), who is said to share the honor with C.I. Scofield as one of those who did most to perpetuate dispensationalism in this country, said concerning the first advent: ‘He would have set up the kingdom, but they rejected and crucified Him.’

On page 998 of the Scofield Bible we read that, when Christ appeared the first time on earth to the Jewish people, the next order of revelation as it then stood should have been the setting up of the Davidic kingdom.

Lewis Sperry Chafer (Systematic Theology) said:

The kingdom was announced by John the Baptist, Christ and the apostles. The Gospel of the Kingdom (Matt 4:23; 9:35) and the proclamation that the kingdom of heaven was at hand (Matt. 3:2; 4:17; 10:7) consisted of a legitimate offer to Israel of the promised earthly Davidic kingdom, designed particularly for Israel. However, the Jewish nation rejected their King and with him the Kingdom (Quoted from George Ladd, Crucial Questions About the Kingdom of God, p. 50).

Why did the Christ fail in his attempt to establish a kingdom during his first advent? Dispensationalists say it was because his success depended on the consent of the Jewish nation. S.D. Gordon (Quiet Talks About Jesus, p. 131) says: ‘Everything must be done through man’s consent.’ Commenting further on this he said (sec. 4):

“God proposes man disposes; God proposed a king, and a worldwide kingdom with great prosperity and peace. Man disposed of that plan, for the bit of time and space controlled by his will.”

The question immediately arises in our minds: If the Jews were able to frustrate God’s plan at the first advent of our Lord, then what assurance have we that his second advent will not also somehow be thwarted? We say this rather facetiously, but the fact still remains that our hope of the second coming is built on the success of his first advent; ‘Our hope is built on nothing less than Jesus’ blood and righteousness.’

When the Jews rejected Christ’s legitimate offer of the kingdom, say the dispensationalists, that kingdom was then postponed until the second coming of Christ. Then the same earthly Davidic kingdom which they are supposed to have refused will be established in the form of the millennium. During the millennium all the plans which were supposedly thwarted by the Jews at the first advent will be carried out in a literal manner.

The importance played in dispensational theology by the alleged kingdom which was offered, rejected, and postponed until the millennium, can be seen in the following lengthy doctrinal statement:

The Magnum Opus of dispensational eschatology will be found in Lewis Sperry Chafer’s Systematic Theology, where the entire range of theology is interpreted in the light of dispensational eschatology. From this work we extract the following interpretation of the kingdom of God.

“Two specific realms must be considered: The kingdom of God, which includes all intelligences in heaven or on earth who are willingly subject to God, and the kingdom of heaven, which is the manifestation of the kingdom of God at any time in its earthly form. Thus the kingdom of God appears on earth in various forms or embodiments during the centuries.

1. There was first of all the kingdom in the Old Testament theocracy in which God ruled over Israel in and through the judges.

2. The kingdom was covenanted by God as he entered into unconditional covenant with David and gave to Israel its national hope of a permanent earthly kingdom (2 Sam 7).

3. The kingdom was predicted by the prophets as a glorious kingdom for Israel on earth when the Messianic Son of David would sit on David’s throne and rule over the nations from Jerusalem.

4. The kingdom was announced by John the Baptist, Christ, and the apostles. The Gospel of the kingdom (Matt 4:23; 9:35) and the proclamation that the kingdom of heaven was at hand (Matt 3:2; 4:17; 10:7) consisted of a legitimate offer to Israel of the promised earthly Davidic kingdom, designed particularly for Israel. However, the Jewish nation rejected their king and with Him, the kingdom.

5. Because of Israel’s rejection, the kingdom was postponed until the second advent of Christ. The millennial kingdom was offered, and postponed; but it will be instituted on earth after Christ’s return. Since the kingdom was postponed it is a great error to attempt, as is so commonly done, to build a kingdom on the first advent of Christ as its basis, for, according to the Scriptures, the kingdom which was offered to Israel was rejected and is therefore delayed, to be realized only with the second advent of Christ.

6. The kingdom, because it was rejected and postponed, entered a mystery form (Matt 13) for the present age This mystery form of the kingdom has to do with the Church age when the kingdom of heaven is embodied in Christendom. God is now ruling on the earth insofar as the parables of the mystery of the kingdom of heaven require. In this mystery phase of the kingdom, good and evil mingle together and are to grow together until Christ returns.

7. The kingdom is to be preannounced by a Jewish remnant of 144,000 in final anticipation of Messiah’s return. At the beginning of the great tribulation, which occurs immediately before the return of Christ, the Church will be raptured, taken out of the world, to be with Christ. An election of Israel is then sealed by God to proclaim throughout the entire world the Gospel of the kingdom (Matt 24:14), i.e., that the Davidic kingdom, the kingdom of heaven, is about to be set up.

8. The millennial kingdom will then be realized as Christ returns in power and glory at the conclusion of the tribulation. Then Israel, which has been gathered from its dispersion through the earth to Messiah, will accept Him as such, and will enter the millennial kingdom as the covenanted people (George E. Ladd, Crucial Questions About the Kingdom of God, pp. 50,51).

Noting again that dispensationalists teach the kingdom to have been offered, rejected, and postponed until a later age, we pose the question: What if the Jews had accepted Jesus’ offer to establish an earthly Davidic kingdom at his first advent?

According to dispensationalist teaching, people would then have been saved by legal obedience. In the light of this fact, dispensationalism would also teach – when carried to its logical conclusion – that the cross would not have been necessary as a means of salvation.

Let the dispensationalists themselves speak at this point. S.D. Gordon (Quiet Talks About Jesus, p. 114) says:

“It can be said at once that His dying was not God’s own plan. It was conceived somewhere else and yielded to by God. God has a plan of atonement by which men who were willing could be saved from sin and its effect.

That plan is given in the Old Hebrew code. To the tabernacle or temple, under prescribed regulations, a man could bring some animal which he owned. The man brought that which was his own. It represented him.”

In the above statement a dispensationalist has been consistent at least. If, as he says, God offered a plan other than the cross, and if men had accepted that plan, then they would have been saved thereby. Since the proffered kingdom was alleged to have been an Old Testament kingdom then men would have abided by Old Testament sacrifices. It needs to be said here, however, that the Old Testament sacrifices were never intended as a method of salvation. They pointed to the Lamb of God who took away the sins of the world. The Scriptures plainly teach that the blood of bulls and goats could not bring about salvation, but that they were a type of the cross of Calvary.

What if that legal kingdom had been accepted? Let Lewis Sperry Chafer answer (The Kingdom in History and Prophecy, p.56): ‘It was a bona fide offer and, had they received him as their king, the nation’s hopes would have been realized’ (italics mine).

Dispensationalists make two assertions concerning the kingdom:

1. The kingdom of heaven is Messianic, mediatorial, and Davidic (Scofield’s footnote, p.1003); it also signifies the Messianic earth rule of Jesus Christ, the Son of David (footnote p.996).

2. Although there is a present kingdom in the world, this is the kingdom of God and is not the same as the kingdom of heaven.

Now here hangs the entire dispensational position. They look for a future Davidic kingdom, i.e., a future millennium, based on an alleged distinction between the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God. If the fact can be scripturally established that the kingdom of heaven is synonymous with the kingdom of God which the dispensationalist admits is present already – then two things are true:

1. The Davidic kingdom has already been established, and;

2. There will be no future millennium, but it too began at the first advent. This we believe the Bible teaches.

In Matthew’s Gospel we have the inspired record of our Lord’s teaching concerning John the Baptist. He clearly states that John preached a kingdom message following the time of the law and the prophets.

“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and men of violence take it by force. For all the prophets and the law prophesied unto John” (Matt 11:12,13).

We should note two things about the above statement: (1) the content of John’s message is called by our Lord the kingdom of heaven, (2) in order to suffer violence a thing must be in existence; so that the kingdom existed already during the earthly ministry of John.

Luke also records a conversation of our Lord during which He spoke of John the Baptist in these words:

“The law and the prophets were until John: from that time the gospel of the kingdom of God is preached, and every man entereth violently into it” (Luke 16:16).

These could well have been two separate messages delivered by our Lord. The important thing to note is that in both messages he fixed the time as being the same; he said that John took up where the law and the prophets left off and that he preached the gospel of a kingdom. In one message (Matt 11:12) our Lord referred to that kingdom as the kingdom of heaven, while on the other occasion (Luke 16:16) – in speaking of the same man, same time, and same message – he referred to that same kingdom as the kingdom of God.

Scriptural evidence that the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God are synonymous terms is found in two accounts of the sending out of the Twelve. Two inspired writers, ‘speaking as they were moved by the Holy Spirit,’ give the accounts.

One of these inspired men chose to use the term kingdom of heaven, while the other preferred the kingdom of God. No doubt this difference in wording is owing to the fact that the Gospels were addressed to separate groups. The Jews hesitated to use the name of God, so the one who addressed them would respect this custom and substitute the name ‘heaven’ in place of the name ‘God.’ But the important thing for us to consider is the fact that these men could use either term, proving to us that both terms indicated the same reality.

“And as ye go, preach, saying, the kingdom of heaven is at hand” (Matt 10:7)

“And he sent them forth to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick” (Luke 9:2).

Matthew and Luke record the beginning of our Lord’s earthly ministry. And, while there can be no doubt that both refer to his opening message; one uses the term kingdom of heaven, while the other refers to the kingdom of God. Would dispensationalists have us believe Jesus preached two different kingdoms as being at hand at the same time?

“From that time began Jesus to preach, and to say, Repent ye; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand” (Matt 4:17).

Compare verse 12 for the time element in Matt 4:17. Like the following passage, it refers to the time immediately following John’s death.

“Now after John was delivered up, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God, and saying, the time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel” (Mark 1:14,15).

If further proof be needed to establish the fact that these two terms are synonymous, let us turn to Matt 19:23,24. In this passage we have a case of Hebrew parallelism in which our Lord says the same thing twice, for effect. The interesting thing to observe is that our Lord himself, without changing subjects, refers to the same kingdom in two different terms.

“And Jesus said unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, It is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, it is easier for a camel to go through a needle’s eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God”

These scriptures show conclusively that the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God are one and the same. Therefore, dispensationalists are looking for a future kingdom which in reality has been in existence since the first advent of our Lord. They admit that, whenever the Davidic kingdom is set up on the earth, Israel’s hope will have been realized; they also admit that one kingdom of God came into existence with the birth of the Christian church. To prove that the New Testament knows only one kingdom, called by two different names, is to prove by the dispensationalists’ own arguments that the kingdom is a present reality, identical with Christianity.

And, since the dispensationalist teaches that the kingdom is to come about during the millennium, his own argument must also lead to the conclusion that the millennium is the inter-advent period. This, we believe, the New Testament clearly teaches. One clear description of the Messianic reign of Christ (the millennium) is recorded in Matthew 11:1-6. It is to be noted that this reign began with our Lord’s first advent, not at the second coming.

John Calvin, the great theologian of the Reformation, counted as heresy the idea of an earthly establishment of the Davidic kingdom. The following quotation is from the pen of Heinrich Quistorp (Calvin’s Doctrine of the Last Things, pp.123,158).

“The fact that Christ as the Son of Man will appear on the clouds of heaven is a plain indication that His divine glory and the glory of His kingdom will be no earthly phenomenon, as the disciples had supposed. He who in His incarnate If He had hidden His heavenly majesty under the form of a servant will then be manifest with all the tokens of the power of that kingdom which is from heaven because it is the kingdom of God.”

This kingdom of Christ will be an eternal kingdom because it is the kingdom of God.

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I will end this with the same question that the author asked at the beginning of this study:

“The question immediately arises in our minds: If the Jews were able to frustrate God’s plan at the first advent of our Lord, then what assurance have we that his second advent will not also somehow be thwarted? We say this rather facetiously, but the fact still remains that our hope of the second coming is built on the success of his first advent; ‘Our hope is built on nothing less than Jesus’ blood and righteousness.’

To me, Jesus did everything necessary to fulfill all the purposes of Daniel 9:24, and to fulfill Daniel’s 70th week. He equipped His disciples by the sending of the Holy Spirit enabling them to preach the Gospel to the Jews first, until the Gospel was also rejected by them, when they stoned Stephen; and then to the Gentiles.

It truly was finished at the cross; there is no further concern with the shedding of blood, or even bloodlines. The bloodline of Christ was maintained in purity until He was born…after this miraculous event, bloodlines make no difference, for the plan of salvation is the same for all mankind.

His Kingdom did come!! His will is being done!! We are His servants right Now!! This Kingdom is not future, it is ETERNAL!

JESUS IS ALL AND EVERYTHING!!

Patti C.

Re: ISRAEL AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD (Dispensational Beliefs)

Dearest sister Patti,

No one has frustrated Jehovah God or Jesus Christ. Jesus came specifically to redeem mankind. The house of Judah did everything God expected they would do. EVERYTHING went as God planned.

The kingdom is SPIRITUAL! It will be established AFTER Armagedon, and Satan is put away for 1000 years. Yes, Christ is on the throne in heaven but has not yet destroyed evil on the earth and locked satan up for 1000 years.

Flesh and blood cannot enter into the kingdom. You must die and be reborn of spirit, or born again! We cannot do this without salvation in Christ.

I believe Jesus fulfilled the prophesy of Daniel as you do. But, I also believe that satan is mimicking God. The book of Daniel was SEALED until the END! That means that in the end of satans time, and towards the very last days (however many they be) the book of Daniel would be understood!

I think satan is given the same amount of time to minister his kingdom to the people of earth as Jesus was, 3 and one half years, AFTER he has been revealed! But knowing his own demise, his true purpose is to destroy mankind as completely and efficiently as he can and to take as many to Hell with him as he can.

Holy Jerusalem will come down from heaven to the earth, but it will be a different earth for us and then Ezekiel 37 will become real as Israel is reunited, the Northern and the Southern tribes will become one, to do the will of God and to keep his statutes. All mankind will be TAUGHT his ways and will keep them. If not, then there will be no rain in their seasons for these ones. THE TRUTH will be learned during this 1000 years with NO devils or demons to deceive mankind during this time. And yes, lions will eat straw and children will play around wild animals that will not hurt them. ALL THINGS are made NEW!

I love you sister, so , please don't take this to heart. You are an amazing woman for our LORD! And your zeal is without slack.

YBIC

Michael

Re: ISRAEL AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD (Dispensational Beliefs)

Dear Brother Michael,

Thank you for your input on this subject. For some reason the Lord placed it on my heart to not respond to your message right away, and now I know why. Steven put on those marvelous studies by Gary Demar, about who Israel is, the Rapture and the millennium. I immediately watched all three videos, as there are 3 parts and was so thrilled I could barely contain myself!!

Here is the link to part 3, but the one Steven gave goes into all three also:

Link of article or video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgLo4sRjHWo


For soooo long I have been trying to convey what this man is showing, and it seems that he finally got through to others where I failed. Because many are commenting that they see the truth given in his studies!! That is awesome! Then I noticed you commented on them, so you must have seen them, so there is little need for me to go over all that here.

As to your message, there are several points where we disagree, but the main one is in reference to this comment:

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Quote: "The kingdom is SPIRITUAL! It will be established AFTER Armageddon, and Satan is put away for 1000 years. Yes, Christ is on the throne in heaven but has not yet destroyed evil on the earth and locked Satan up for 1000 years."

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My question to you is: Where in the Bible does it say this? The few who do comment to my posts about dispensationalist beliefs just offer what they think, but do not prove it with Scripture. Mainly because they cannot, or have to examine why they believe the things they do, and that may reveal that they were taught this by pastors or teachers who they trusted. But as Mr. Demar revealed this is often a case of the blind leading the blind.

Christ established the Kingdom at the Cross, and as Gary Demar plainly showed, we are in that kingdom right now!! There is no future 1000 years where Christ will rule on earth; this is not in the Word of God!! Satan will be let loose for a short time, and this could be 42 months...but those 42months have nothing to do with Daniels 70th week.

Yet the most important fact one can learn is who Israel is...ONE BODY OF BELIEVERS...the northern and the southern tribes already were reunited and inherited the land promised to them. This is not future!! The wall was broken down and the way made for all mankind to reunite with God through what Jesus did at the Cross.

I pray you understand that now that you have seen another point all this out, for truly this is crucial in understanding the whole of God's Word and plan of redemption.

Thank you for your kind words about my passion. I love you, dear brother, and know you are truly on fire for our Lord. May He continue to bless you richly!!

Agape!!

JESUS IS ALL AND EVERYTHING!!

Patti C.


Re: ISRAEL AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD (Dispensational Beliefs)

Patti,

I must first confess, I have not watched these videos, but I will right after I respond to you.

Revelation chapter 20. Satan is bound with a chain for 1000 years and cast into the bottomless pit!

Revelation chapter 20 verse 4.....And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: And I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; AND THEY LIVED AND REIGNED WITH CHRIST A THOUSAND YEARS.

The battle of Armageddon happens in chapter 19, and this is when Jesus second coming happens. Satan is locked away, chained and cast into the bottomless pit, in chapter 20.

The rapture happened in Chapter 14 verses 14, 15, & 16, so these must be the ones that ride with Jesus into battle at Armageddon in chapter 19 verse 14.

Remember Jesus told the Pharisees when questioned in Luke 17:20....The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21.....Neither shall they say, Lo here! or there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Ezekiel 37 is the reunion of the 2 houses of Israel and as we read it, it becomes obvious that this is a resurrection of the dead. So these two houses of Israel have NOT been reunited yet, to live together in spiritual Jerusalem, because the reaping of the earth has not even happened yet and the dead in Christ will rise first.

My point is this, we cannot exist in the spiritual life with physical bodies. We must all die as a seed that has to germinate to grow into a plant. It must first die. The new reality will be ALL SPIRITUAL! The kingdom of God already exists in our present dimension of life and also in the spiritual dimension of life. So although the kingdom of God is with in us, we will not be inhabiting SPIRITUAL Jerusalem until we die and become spirit. This is when we will experience the kingdom structure of Jehovah, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, the 4 beasts around the throne, the 24 elders around them, the saints, and the angels. This is when the spiritual kingdom begins the 1000 years of reteaching, so to speak, mankind, about himself and the TRUTH! Satan is locked away and the false prophet and the beast have already been cast into the lake of fire. There will be NO DECEPTION taught to man and he will learn the TRUTH and be ruled with an iron rod.

YBIC
Michael

Re: ISRAEL AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD (Dispensational Beliefs)

Dear Michael,

I am going to keep you busy brother!! I just bumped up my post entitled
THE 1000 YEAR REIGN OF CHRIST: Literal or Figurative, for you, and it is my answer to your comments about Rev 20. The study is the best as it goes verse by verse and explains what these verses mean. It is a long study, but I think you will be blessed by it.

I commented after you on Gerlinda's post, but maybe you did not see it.

I will be interested to know how you feel about the videos...

Bless you for looking into all this!!

In His Love,

Patti C.