Hello all,

I wrote this study a few years ago, and I still think it is the correct understanding on the first horseman of Revelation 6, and the opening of the seals. The seals depict the Church age and the beginning of the Church was in Acts 2, at Pentecost, when the Holy was sent by Christ. The only way to overcome this world is to have the Holy Spirit living inside of us, and that was the first thing Jesus did when He ascended to Heaven.

Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to His Church in order that believers would have direct access to Him and the only way to overcome the world. The word "conquer" in Greek is "overcome", and that is what the Holy Spirit enables Christ's followers to do. This sending of the Holy Spirit changed everything, as without it there would be no Church.

I read so many great commentaries on the Book of Revelation, and find that I agree with many things being said, but one thing that keeps bothering me is how the great majority of Bible scholars see the rider on the white horse of the first seal, as the anti-Christ. I feel that holding this view confuses the context of what is really happening in Rev.5 and 6, and throws off the true timing of when the seals are opened.

WHY THE RIDER ON THE WHITE HORSE IS NOT THE ANTICHRIST!!

First of all, Christ would not have to send the anti-Christ, into the world!!! Why would the anti-Christ have to go about conquering the world to begin with? According to the words of Jesus Christ, Satan is already the prince of this world (John 14:30)! Also 2 Corinthians 4:4 declares Satan to be the god of this world, Ephesians 2:2 declare him to be the prince of the powers of the air. So, the anti-Christ does not need to conquer the world that is already his!! The idea that the anti-Christ would have to conquer is based on the notion that man is basically good; that the nations are basically good. We all know that this is not true, nor ever found in the Word of God!!

The world already belongs to Satan, and it is Satan that Christ is reclaiming the world from, by opening the seals of the deed of earth!! So right off, this seems like the wrong interpretation.

Let’s look at some other misconceptions.

Revelation 6:1 says: 1 I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, “Come!” 2 I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest. (6:1-2)

THE WHITE HORSE

White is, and always will be, a symbol of purity and righteousness throughout the Bible. All through the Bible, white has always been associated with the holiness and righteousness of the trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. White was associated with the Transfiguration, Resurrection and the Ascension of Jesus: At the Transfiguration of Jesus in Matthew 17:2 Mark 9:3 Luke 9:29, Jesus was transfigured before Peter, James and John, and His face did shine as the Sun, and His raiment was WHITE as snow.

At the Resurrection of Jesus: Matthew 28:3 Mark 16:5 John 20:12, His countenance was like lightning and His raiment WHITE as snow. At the Ascension of Jesus: Acts 1:10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in WHITE apparel. In the Book of Revelation White is used several times to describe events and clothing. Revelation 1:14 the Son of man’s hair is referred to as white like wool. Revelation 2:17, to him that overcometh will I give a white stone.

Revelation 4:4, four and twenty Elders were clothed in white raiment. Revelation 6:11 White robes were given to the martyrs. Revelation 7:9, White robes were given to those that were sealed. Revelation 7:14; White robes were given to those that come out of great tribulation. Revelation 14:14; Son of man sat upon a white cloud.Revelation 19:8; Bride was arrayed in white linen. Revelation 19:14; Armies of heaven followed on white horses. Revelation 20: 11; the Great White Throne Judgment.

All throughout the Bible the color white is symbolic of purity in relation to righteousness and holiness and is never used in connection with sin, corruption, evil or the devil!! The WORD of God NEVER attempts to deceive us in any way. Satan may portray himself as an angel of light, but the Bible calls him a serpent, a red dragon, and the father of lies. The Scriptures never portray Satan as an angel of light, but tells us he can betray us that way. In this regard, Scripture would never tell us that Satan, or the Anti-Christ would be riding a white horse!!

THE CROWN

“and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest”.

The crown the rider wears is not that of an earthly kingdom. The Greek word for crown being used here is stephanos (4735), and denotes “the victor’s crown, the symbol of triumph in the games … a token of public honor for distinguished service” (VED). It is the same word used for the crown of thorns that Jesus wore. This crown is for the victory of Christ described in Rev. 5. The same Greek word appears in Rev. 2:10, where Jesus said, “Be faithful, even to the point of death and I will give you the crown of life.” The ten kings of the ten-horned beast in Rev. 13 do not wear victors’ crowns but diadems, earthly crowns.

THE BOW

The language used to describe the weapon that the Rider had is a bow. Through the wars of the Old Testament the bow was a common instrument that was used. It was not described as any of mankind’s weapons of this day and hour in which we are living. God promised Noah that He would never destroy the world by water anymore and His promise was sealed with the rainbow. In this regard the bow is an instrument of peace, and a spiritual sign, not a weapon of war. Genesis 9:13 “I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.14. And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud.”

CONQUEROR BENT ON CONQUEST

Conquering, by New Testament standards, is defeating the devil by overcoming. Jesus conquered sin on the cross, and Revelations refers more than once to overcoming the beast and the number of his name. The conquering spirit is out to defeat sin and deliver victory to men for Jesus. Remember, there is a war in heaven and it is over the spirits of men.

SO WHO IS THE RIDER ON THE WHITE HORSE AND WHEN IS THIS SEAL OPENED?

I totally believe that the rider on the first horse is the HOLY SPIRIT, and Jesus opened this first seal as soon as He ascended to heaven and sat down at the right hand of God the Father.

Chapter 5 of the book of Revelation describes a heaven which is before the Ascension of Christ to the right hand of His Father. God is on the Throne and is holding the book with the seven seals. (Rev.5:1). No one in heaven, or in the earth, or under the earth, was able to open the book, and this causes John to weep.

At this point, one of the elders tells John that the Lion of the tribe of Judah is worthy, and then Jesus shows up in heaven as a Lamb that has been slain. And the first thing, that Jesus does, is take the book out of the right hand of His Father. (Rev. 5:7) Therefore, the very first thing that Jesus does after He ascends to the Father is take the deed to the earth and start to open the seals.

He has promised to send the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, as soon as He arrives in heaven, and that is what He does. He opens the first seal and sends the Holy Spirit, and he descends on the disciples gathered in the upper room on the first Pentecost.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Acts 2:1-4 1) “And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2) And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3) And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”

Jesus said, when He returned to His Father, He would send the Holy Spirit, as the Comforter to them. So we have seen Heaven without a savior, then Jesus arrives in heaven after conquering sin on the cross, then the first seal is opened and this sends a pure conqueror to the earth. The only way that man can overcome evil is being indwelt with the Holy Spirit, and the only way to the Holy Spirit is through Christ and His sacrifice for us.

The White Horse and its rider, are the Holy Spirit which Jesus promised to send, and is the first thing, (other than taking the book from the hand of God), that He did when He got to heaven.

Revelation chapter 5 does not take place in the future. In the vision that John was being shown, Jesus had not yet arrived at the throne from earth. Rather than a description of the throne room scene after the future resurrection, transformation, and catching-up rapture event, this is a vision of the scene at God’s throne, just after the ascension of Jesus Christ, and just before he took his seat at the right hand of God.

This also helps explain who the saints are in Rev 5:9. I believe them to be all the saints that were taken out of Paradise and ascended to heaven with Jesus at his ascension. They are the pre-Church saints and were taken out of every kindred, tongue, people and nation, (all the children of Abraham up to the first coming of Christ). They are not the Church or the Bride.

All this makes perfect sense to me; I finally understand it all so much better!! It never made sense, nor felt true that the bride was in heaven without Christ being there, and it never made sense that Christ would send the anti-Christ to the earth!! I have also always believed that the seals have been opening all throughout history, and will not begin opening sometime in the future, after the Rapture. I believe the seals are the birth pangs, and not part of the Tribulation. Also, Christ promised to send the Holy Spirit as soon as he ascended, and even instructed his disciples to stay in Jerusalem for Pentecost. The first seal and the rider on the White horse describes exactly what Christ promised, and exactly what He sent.

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THE WHITE HORSE OF THE FIRST SEAL (Part 2)

The Lord is placing the importance of this issue upon my heart, and I feel compelled to share what I am finding out. This has been a wonderful experience for me because I am learning so much about the HOLY SPIRIT, and how it is the most crucial component needed, to make it into the Kingdom of God!!

You see, I have always, up until recently, accepted the idea of the White Horse rider is the Anti-Christ. The more I studied Rev. 4-7 about the rapture, the more it was put on my heart to look at the scenes in heaven, and what is happening in relation to the seals. Then researching what words were chosen to describe the First Horseman, and what they each meant, led me to understand that this is not the Anti-Christ.

MISSING LINK

Most believe that the seals line up with what Jesus tells His disciples in Matt. 24:5-8, and this seems very reasonable as it does describe the same events in the same order.

Mat 24:5 -8

“For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. “

Yet, there is a missing link between Matthew and Revelation in regards to the Four Horsemen. Only in Matthew does Christ warn of deception and the spirit of the antichrist, not so in the summation of these horsemen in Rev.6:8:

“They, [the horsemen] were given POWER over a fourth of the earth to KILL BY SWORD, FAMINE AND PLAGUE, and by the wild beasts of the earth.”

What happened to the White horse here…there is no mention of deceptions or a false Christ. This makes the first horse stand out as different from the others, and not part of the power given over a fourth of the earth!!

The first horse is not to be linked to the other three because it is not!! If the white horse represents false religion, civil strife or some military leader or action, it would be mentioned here WITH THE OTHER THREE HORSES! But, only SWORD, FAMINE AND PLAGUE, and beasts of the earth, are mentioned.

False religion and deception has certainly had POWER over the earth for centuries, before Christ was even born!! Why would Christ have to send this power to the earth that is already ruled by it??

THE CROWN

In my first part of this study, about the First Horse, I talked about the Crown very briefly, and would like to cover a bit more about it, and how it plays in as a major identifying factor of the Holy Spirit.

Now, if the white horse of Revelation 6:2 is part and parcel of the other three horses who were given POWER over a fourth of the earth (Rev. 6:2), then the rider of this horse would be wearing a “diadem” instead of a crown (stepha.nos)! Instead, we find this rider wearing the CROWN (STEPHA.NOS) “OF CHRISTIAN TRIUMPH.”

Here are some of the bible passages that define this type of crown:
I THESS. 2:19:For what is our hope, our joy, or the crown [stepha.nos] in which we will glory in the presence of our Lord Jesus when he comes? Is it not you? Indeed, you are our glory and joy.

II TIM. 4:8:“Now there is in store for me the crown [stepha.nos] of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day — and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.”

JAMES 1:12:“Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown [stepha.nos] of life that God has promised to those who love him.”

REV. 4:4:“Surrounding the throne were 24 other thrones, and seated on them were 24 elders. They were dressed in WHITE and had crowns [stepha.nos] of gold on their heads.”

With the same thought in mind, it seems obvious that if the white horse of Rev. 6:2 symbolizes false religion, civil strife or triumphant militarism, then the rider would be wearing the DIADEM (DI.ADEMA) OF POWER AND RULER-SHIP!

None of the other horsemen have crowns...

Also, the colors associated with the four horsemen — white, red, black, and pale — apply to the horses, not the riders. The colors represent the nature of the objectives to be accomplished, not the moral character of the individual riders.

Therefore, the “white horseman” does not symbolize a “counterfeit Christ” — but if for some reason he did, hypothetically-speaking, then the remaining three horsemen would have to be designated as personified entities even more evil and destructive than the Antichrist.

THE BOW

The “bow” represents God’s Holy Word:

The poetic scriptural passage in Habakkuk 3:8-13 vividly portrays the Lord going forth throughout the earth, riding on horses of salvation, accompanied by saints, possessing the bow (“thy word”) for the purpose of salvation during a terrible period of wrath and trouble:

Habakkuk 3:8-13

8 “Was the Lord displeased against the rivers? Was thine anger against the rivers? Was thy wrath against the sea, that thou didst RIDE UPON THINE HORSES AND THY CHARIOTS OF SALVATION? “

9 “THY BOW was made quite naked, according to the oaths of the tribes, EVEN THY WORD. Selah. Thou didst cleave the earth with rivers.”

10 “The mountains saw thee, and they trembled: the overflowing of the water passed by: the deep uttered his voice, and lifted up his hands on high.”

11 “THE SUN AND MOON STOOD STILL in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear.”

12 Thou didst march through the land in indignation; thou didst thresh the heathen in anger.

13 Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed. (KJV)

OVERCOMING

The last phrase in Revelation 6:2, which is translated into English translations as ‘overcoming’, ‘that he might overcome’, and ‘conquering’ and ‘to conquer’ (KJV) is an interpretation of the Greek word ‘nikao’, which can mean to ‘conquer’, ‘overcome’, ‘prevail’, or ‘obtain victory’.

There is no reference in this text that the rider of the White Horse goes forth to make war or cause harm, because the rider is given a stepha.nos, which is laurel wreath to ware on his head, instead of a diadem, which is crown of authority. Therefore, it seems that the word (‘nikao’) has the meaning of a continuance of the thought of victory, as in an athletic event or some other type of situation in which one must win in order to be given the victor’s crown.

The apostle Paul often spoke of the process of overcoming as being analogous to a foot race, wherein there are only winners and losers. In speaking of his ministry of the gospel and how those who were called to partake of it should strive to control their lives in order to obtain an eternal victory, Paul says:”Do you not know that those running in a stadium indeed all run, but only one receives the prize? So run in such a way that you may obtain the prize”(1.Cor.9:24). Also see also Gal.2:2-5; Phil.2:16; 3:14; Heb.12:1.)

There are many scriptures that speak of the elect of God being given a crown of life as a reward for their overcoming the flesh and living a righteous life before the Father. There are also many warnings about losing one’s rewards (one’s crown) through neglect or sin. Therefore, it is likely that the crown of the rider of the white horse has something to do with Jesus Christ, who is the first person to obtain victor over the flesh. This crown is probably also associated with God’s children in their process of overcoming in order to obtain a crown of life.

It is important to point out that Christ is the one whom the Father has authorized to care for his earthly sons and to reward those who overcome the flesh with the crown of life. (Also see Jn.6:33-40; 10:27-30; 17:2.)

God sent us Jesus, and Jesus sent us the HOLY SPIRIT!! There is much more in the Bible to support the White horseman, of the first seal, as being the Holy Spirit, than there is to support him being the Antichrist!!! I used to believe as most do, but upon much Holy Spirit inspired research cannot come to this conclusion any longer.

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THE CELEBRATION OF PENTECOST IN HEAVEN

This part of my study is presented as an overview of the scenes in heaven described by John, in Revelation chapters 4 and 5, and how it relates to the opening of the seals in chapter 6.

The conclusion that I have come to has taken years to formulate, and seems like a pearl born out of the tribulation of not understanding these chapters of Revelation, and the truths that the Holy Spirit has been laying on my heart. I have always had trouble seeing the rapture taking place before Christ had ascended to heaven. When you read the verses, you have to wonder why Christ has to be located, and becomes worthy to open the seals.

I feel I have found the answer, at least for myself, in the discovery that the rider on the White horse of the first seal is the Holy Spirit. Once I understood that, and researched that possibility, everything else began to fall into place. Once I had been shown, in the Spirit, this possibility, the more it was put on my heart to share this. I have been consumed with studying the Holy Spirit and how all this relates to the Bride and the Seals and what is happening this time of year near Pentecost, and so many signs pointing to our departure. I was able to find one study that spoke about Pentecost in heaven, but, the author did not see the first seal rider as the Holy Spirit.

In truth, I have not found any studies that see it the way that I do; but, there are many good studies out there that see the white horse as other than the Antichrist. At this point, I am relying of the best source I have, the Holy Spirit, to show me the way. Therefore I will quote from only a small part of this study to explain how I see what is happening in heaven in these chapters of Revelation:

Inauguration of Christ’s Ministry in Revelation

"Some scholars see the inauguration of Christ’s ministry in the heavenly sanctuary in the throne scenes of Revelation 4 and 5. The scenes in a sense are a celebration of Pentecost in heaven, which results in the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on earth. Christ, the Lamb that “had been slain” (Rev 5:6), is welcomed back to heaven by four living creatures, twenty-four elders, and myriads of angels who praise Him, saying: “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing!” (Rev 5:12). The immediate result of the Lamb’s sacrifice is intercession (Rev 5:8) and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit represented by the “seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth” (Rev 5:6).

In his book A Rebirth of Images: The Making of St. John’s Apocalypse, Austin Farrer sees in the vision of the throne (Rev 4-5) a description of the feast of Pentecost: “The Christian Pentecost which St. John describes took place in heaven, but had its effect on earth.


"The Lamb, by virtue of the sevenfold Spirit which is his seven horns of strength, his seven eyes of knowledge, opened all revelation, and when the day of Pentecost was fully come, he poured it on his servants in prophetic Spirit.

The Pentecostal gift is constantly renewed, as in this ‘apocalypse of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to shew his servants what must quickly be, and which he signified by the message of his angel to his servant John.’ Yet the first Pentecost is not cast into the shade by such renewals, but kept all the more foremost in mind.”

This interpretation of the vision of God’s throne (Rev 4-5) as cast in the setting of the Feast of Pentecost suggests that at the time of John’s writing (about A. D. 90-100), the feast played a significant role in the liturgical life of the church, especially since the book of Revelation was used in the liturgy of the church. Farrer continues noting the connection between the imageries of Passover and Pentecost in the vision of the throne: “It is the Christ of the Passover, the paschal Lamb ‘standing as slaughtered,’ who by his sacrificial merit has attained to take the book and loose the seven seals thereof."

Back to the White Horse and its rider; Christ begins to open the seals of earth’s redemption, as soon as He ascends to the Father. This is not a future event!! He fulfilled the Work of He who sent Him (“ IT IS FINISHED!”) and now He is sending another (the HOLY SPIRIT COMFORTER) to enable His children to run the race and to claim the same victory over Hell and Death.

The LAW was sent at Pentecost, so that Christ could fulfill the Law!! The HOLY SPIRIT was sent at Pentecost; so that His followers could overcome the evil in the world, and share the ultimate victory that Christ made a way for us to share. It was the beginning of the AGE OF GRACE, and it will mark the ending of that AGE. It is the Age that Christ assured us that He would be with us until the end of it. And, the only way for Him to be with us is through the HOLY SPIRIT.

“Then I saw when the Lamb broke one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying as with a voice of thunder, “Come”. I looked, and saw, a white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.” (Revelation 6: 1-2)

After the inauguration of the Lamb as the High Priest and the ascension to the throne, the Holy Spirit is sent at Pentecost to fulfill the covenant. Therefore, under the first seal, a great blessing occurred.

Jesus sent the conquering Archer, Who was decorated with honor and given a bow and a crown, the final piece that would complete the TRINITY. By sending the Holy Spirit He went out to conquer the world despite all the opposition. CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY TO OBTAIN THE HOLY SPIRIT AND BE BORN AGAIN!! BEING BORN AGAIN IS THE ONLY WAY TO WIN THE RACE!!

Jesus Breached the Wall. But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ, and are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, that you may overcome as He has overcome!

“For He Himself, is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,” (Ephesians 2: 13-14).

The northern and the southern kingdoms become one again. The Jews of Judah reunite with the Israelites that have been scattered to the four winds. All celebrations of Pentecost have been the foreshadowing of what Jesus did for us on the Cross. The fulfillment being, when Jesus sends the Holy Spirit to the disciples at the first Pentecost!!

Let the games begin!!

Please read these chapters of Revelation (Rev. 4-7) with this concept in mind and heart, and see if this rings true for you, in anyway. The seals line up with the 7 churches and the Church Age, from the ascension of Jesus Christ and the sending of the Holy Spirit, up and unto His Second Coming.

I feel compelled to share all this and I hope it at least gets one to thinking about the Holy Spirit, and what a miracle of the ages it was!!! Christ Jesus, our Lord and Savior, overcame Hell and Death in order to send this awesome protection, connection and perfection, to His beloved children.

TO HIS NAME IS ALL THE GLORY!!

ANY DAY NOW!!!

JESUS IS ALL AND EVERYTHING!!

Patti C.

Hi Patti,

Have you viewed this study by Alberto Rivera a former Jesuit priest I have posted on this site?

Let me know if you watch them and what your comments are if you watch this series of videos by former Jesus priest Alberto Rivera.

Thanks!

Hi Steven,


Yes, I watched this video when you first put it on, and it is a good one. I agree about the papacy and all popes being antichrist. This man gives a good argument, one of the best I have heard, but I still do not agree the first horseman is of papal Rome. I disagree for all the reasons I gave in my study. Christ began to open the seals as soon as He ascended to Heaven…He did not wait 300 years to send the Holy Spirit. Plus, this sending of the Holy Spirit was the most important event in the history of mankind,(other than Creation and the birth of Christ) and as such would certainly be given mention in both heaven and earth!

“Let no man deceive you”, could also be about deceiving one as to what these horses represent and the timing of their ride. Calling the Holy Spirit the spirit of antichrist is very deceptive, and this is what most scholars are doing. Did Christ foresee this possibility?

The rest of what he is saying I agree with, especially about the Latin language and the office of the Pope.

Thanks for sharing this…but I am going to standby what I am being shown, as I truly believe it to be true.

JESUS IS ALL AND EVERYTHING!!

Patti C.

Hi Patti,

We will all shortly get answers to a lot of questions and misunderstandings of the bible.

Thanks for posting.

I agree more with Alberto Rivera.

God Bless

Steven

Thank you, also, for your prayers for Linda; it has really wiped her out.

I understand your thoughts and teaching about the first White Horseman. A rider on a White Horse always was symbolic of the leader of whatever/whoever it was that was leading the charge; whether good of bad..

Why would the Holy Spirit be riding out with the other three horses that represent horrible times coming in the End of Days? It is not consistent with the message. Even the Illuminati know that the four horsemen represent their Satanic leader who will bring the other three horses with him needed to bring about the Fifth Age. Of course, they are completely blind and see this as "Bringing Peace out of the Chaos that the four horsemen represent.

The four horses driven by Liberty are seen atop the Brandenberg Gate in Germany, where Obama gave his speech to the world declaring what he would do for the them. He was hailed as the first horseman, the rider, the world's leader that will bring this New World Order to completion.

The Holy Spirit, along with the Father and Son have always been involved in the world's creation and on-going history.

As far as when The Holy Spirit indwells in the believer, it had to follow the purchase of our redemption first by Our Lamb of God and true to form, the 50th day, which is the day marking total redemption of past debt, Jesus Christ sent the Comforter to be with us until He, in person, returns.

Again, thank you Patti for your prayers.

gerlinda

gerlinda

Hi Steven,


Thanks for responding. I think you are in the majority when you say you agree with Rivera…he does make a good argument, and I like the fact that he sees the seals already opened…not some future thing.

I just have one more thing to add about this….Jesus is opening the seals of the deed to the earth in order to reclaim it for Himself. It seems that sending the Holy Spirit would be the most important component to doing that. Sending the antichrist spirit would be just the opposite of what He is intending to accomplish! Why would he send the antichrist spirit if it was already in the world, and certainly already at work in the Jewish leaders of His day? No one seems to be able to answer this question.

You are right…we will soon have all the answers to our questions as He is coming soon! Amen to that!!

Agape!

Patti C.

Hi Patti,

Some of the questions have been answered...but only by the Holy Spirit can we see...

If you think about the pre tribulation deception you ponder how can so many Christians be deceived?

It is also with other areas of scripture.

The Holy Spirit has never left and will never leave planet earth until God creates a new heaven and a new earth but most do not see that they think the Holy Spirit is removed during the last days but that is not the case. (GOD IS ALWAYS IN CONTROL AND HIS WILL ...will be done )

By praying for revelation and understanding will God through the Holy Spirit open our eyes to the TRUTH.

God bless

Steven

Hi Gerlinda!

No thanks necessary in regards to praying for Linda, it is an honor as she is such an awesome believer who so compassionately shares her faith. In all honestly I pray daily for everyone on this site, and for this site as it is special and such a God-thing for us all.

Thank you for your insightful comments on the White Horse. Yet, I do not see the seals as for the world per say, but for the Church, and as Jesus said, they are the birth pangs the Church will go through until they are delivered at His Second Coming. The other horses and riders denote the tribulations that all Christians will go through in this world…war, famine, disease…and even being martyrs for their faith. Also, the Holy Spirit is imperative in the reclaiming of the earth…not so the antichrist.

You are correct that the Holy Spirit was working in the world and was with the prophets, and disciples before Pentecost…but was not able to “live inside them” until Christ’s sacrifice at the Cross. That baptism by fire, that Jesus spoke of. There is a big difference between being with and living inside of a believer. I have a good article and study about this and will post it soon.

That is what is so great about this site…we can share our understanding and keep growing in it. Thanks Steven for this precious outlet, and thanks Gerlinda for all the great posts you put on.

Many blessing to you!!

Patti C.

Hi Pattie,

I got to thinking over what you said that Jesus began to open the seals as soon as He got to heaven but what does the Bible says regarding when they would be opened? Nothing is said about those seals until we get into the final book, the Book of Revelation, which is Jesus revealing what must take place. The first chapter doesn't have the seals opened yet. let's see what the second chapter tells us. Jesus is still speaking to the churches until chapter 4. tells us about the Throne Room and all that John saw but it wasn't until Chapter 5 that we first hear about the scroll. Now, let's see what is written about those scroll:

The Lamb Takes the Scroll

Revelation

5:1 And I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals. 2 Then I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and to loose its seals?” 3 And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll, or to look at it.

4 So I wept much, because no one was found worthy to open and read the scroll, or to look at it. 5 But one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals.”

6 And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth. 7 Then He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.

Worthy Is the Lamb

8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying:


“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,

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And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.”

11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice:


“Worthy is the Lamb who was slain
To receive power and riches and wisdom,
And strength and honor and glory and blessing!”

13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:


“Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and ever!”

14 Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever.

Now we get to the part where Jesus Christ is going to open the seals.

6 Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals; and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder, “Come and see.” 2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.

Second Seal: Conflict on Earth

3 When He opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, “Come and see.” 4 Another horse, fiery red, went out. And it was granted to the one who sat on it to take peace from the earth, and that people should kill one another; and there was given to him a great sword.

Jesus is still opening the seals and he didn't open one on himself nor his Holy Spirit to ride that horse. The Holy Spirit's purpose is to lift up Jesus Christ not to take his place riding upon a horse leading three wicked horsemen.

Third Seal: Scarcity on Earth

5 When He opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come and see.” So I looked, and behold, a black horse, and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, “A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine.”

Fourth Seal: Widespread Death on Earth

7 When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see.” 8 So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.

Fifth Seal: The Cry of the Martyrs

9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

Sixth Seal: Cosmic Disturbances

12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” (Notice that Wrath is now mentioned)

The Holy Spirit is within us during this time, not riding a white horse at the head of a wicked pack bent on taking peace from the earth, to out conquering. That is what is taking place at this time as we see this Beast leading his pack into all the parts of the world to conquer piece by piece, disposing king after king. With his going forth with a limited amount of arsenal allowed by God as evidenced in having only a bow, there follow the other three that cause war, economic collapse and finally the pestilence that destroy lives.

When we see Jesus Christ coming on His white horse it is later in Chapter 19:11 "And I saw heaven opened and behold a white horse and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.?

Pati, The Holy Spirit's purpose is to be a comfort to us during his absence, not to be the first horsemen of evil takeover whereby the war horse follow, with the black horse of economic woe and then death following quickly after. It is my belief that the last horseman is getting his saddle on now to pour out his pestilence.

sincerely,
gerlinda

Hi Gerlinda,

Let me try and answer your response with what I understand is happening in Rev. 5. I covered this already in my study but it bears repeating and maybe clarifying. The book of Revelation is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, from His ascension until His Second Coming. What John is seeing in Rev.5 is a pre-Christ heaven, or heaven before Christ ascended. Why else is he weeping when no one is found to open the sealed book?

“And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.” Rev 5:2 -4

The New Testament speaks much about Pentecost on earth, what occurs in this chapter is a view of what happened at Pentecost in heaven. This is a view of Jesus ascending to heaven and sending the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, as promised to his disciples. He sent what the Church needed to overcome the world and the tribulation thereof.

The rest of the seals depict what the Church will endure before His second coming, and how through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit they will be able to overcome these tribulations and be able to stand until He returns.

Jesus is reclaiming the earth from Satan’s influence…why would he send the Antichrist? Why would he send evil? Evil is already in the world. He is sending the only weapon that will overcome the attacks of the world…Himself in Spirit as the Holy Spirit. He already gave His body, now He sends His Spirit. The only way His believers will overcome War, Famine, and physical death will be to be made alive by the Holy Spirit in which they attain eternal life, and therefore need not worry about losing their physical life. The other seals are the tools of the devil that Christ allows to be used against the church…war, famine, disease and death….which believers are not to fear and are able to endure by having the Holy Spirit living in them. This also denotes the war between flesh and spirit in each person.

Jesus tells us that we will have tribulation in the world...but to be of good cheer because He overcame the world, and we as born again believers will also be able to overcome the world with His help...via His Spirit, the Holy Spirit, living inside us. Wars, famine, disease and death have always been in this world, they are not just something that happens in the end times!! These things may intensify, but they have always been in this world.

The book of Revelation is not just about the end times, much of it has been fulfilled. It is much more about Jesus and His Church and what He did to redeem His people. From His ascension to His Second Coming…His story….history. We are very close to His Second Coming, very little of the book is still future…we need to keep this in mind. We make too much of this book being about the antichrist, when in all actuality it is the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Right now the Church is between the 5th and 6th seals...as stated in my post about the first 5 seals being opened.

We are seeing this from such different perspectives we may not find common ground. This is an interesting discussion and one that offers interesting insights into both sides of this issue. Thanks for participating in it.

JESUS IS ALL AND EVERYTHING!!

Patti C.