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I guess you have changed your mind about the millennium and now believe that it will take place after the Second Coming. I would just like to remind you of what you said in response to my post entitled IS THE MILLENIUM NEXT OR NEVER.
Sep 21, 2013 - 2:05PM
Re: IS THE MILLENNIUM NEXT -- OR NEVER?
Okay PATTI, I will be reading these referrals from you. It will take a bit of time But I will get it done. This is a whole new thought given to me for which I am grateful to have been presented. It makes a whole lot more sense than, giving that enemy of our souls another chance of it. Just thinking about it is plain Nuts. The Lord knows he is guilty, he sure knows he is guilty so what in the world could happen during the next thousand years to change anything.
If, it is like has been taught, that those born during that 1,000 years get their chance to choose, then how about the next and the next and the next. When does it end, eh? Like we know, Our Lord Yeshua HaMashiach finished it upon the giving of His own blood. No more sacrifices can change that and no more sacrifices ought to even be considered by any person with the ability to read and think for themselves. Whew! Am I ever glad I came upon this subject.
Thanks Patti, Sincerely appreciate it,
I just wonder what changed your mind when it seems that you were seeing this matter in a whole new light and it opened yours eyes to what really happened at the Cross.
This seems a bit double minded to me, but if this is what you are finding out for yourself, so be it.
I know we do not agree about everything, and that is okay, as the Love of the Lord is in our hearts.
You know the thing that convinces me of the Millennium is that scripture speaks of it. Did someone forge those scriptures? I just don't know Patti; I've given thought to why would Satan be loosed once again and have asked myself, "How many generations will have to be tempted by him once again?" Is it just those born during that time and finally when the New Jerusalem comes down.... after the remaking of Heaven and earth....finally the end of the Old.
So, until I can reconcile all of this, I will believe this way because I sure don't believe there will 7 years of burning weapons during some 7 year Tribulation period.
Yet, those weapons are burned over the course of some 7 years.
I'm not firm on that topic at this time and probably won't be, ok?
Open your spiritual understanding for me, and now look:
2Co 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
See how the apostle admonishes us to dress like warriors? Note the reason at v13 "that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil" and "that you may be able to withstand in the evil day" and "having done all, to stand"; you see Paul is saying "Prepare for WAR!" he is not nor has any true teacher ever said "Don't worry you will disappear!" PREPARE TO FIGHT!
Now, these carnal things are only signifying spiritual things: the sword is the Word of God; our weapons of warfare are not carnal; and all of the warriors in the prophets are prophesying spiritual warriors- teachers. The antichrist does not come with carnal weapons to wage carnal war, he comes with an arsenal of spiritual weapons to wage spiritual war on the churches. Our weapon is TRUTH, his weapon is LIES- false teachings, corrupted understandings, doctrines of devils, etc.
These are the weapons that are burned in that day; they are not burning up carnal weapons. What is being signified is that after the second advent, the true sons of God being made manifest now begin to teach the nations in truth, Satan no longer allowed to deceive anyone, locked in the pit; the 1,000-year period is a time of great teaching of the truth; and through this, we "burn up the weapons" through teaching truth without deception being around, all of the false doctrines, commandments of men, doctrine of devils- all of these WEAPONS of warfare, will be burned up in the fire of the everlasting gospel.
When you see things being burned up in fire, it is meaning things being consumed by the Word of God. The truth being taught burns up, consumes, false teachings. This is what is being burned, there are not actually burning of carnal weapons. There will be no carnal weapons used at all in the military campaign of the King of Confusion; it is spiritual weapons for spiritual war of deception. Then the deceiver gets burned up, and his weapons get burned up, and everything is purified from these false things through the teaching of the elect in the 1,000-year day of the Lord.
This is what Peter was talking about when he teaches the "elements" would be burned up in fire at the day of the Lord. This doesn't mean rocks and iron and such, these "elements" are already taught to be "vain tradition" and "commandmdnet of men":
Ga 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Ga 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
rudiments/elements both same word "stoicia"; you see then these elements, these "philosophies and vain deceits" these are what are burned up by the fire, and the fire is the WORD OF GOD.
This is all a war of teachers. Armageddon is not a gathering of carnal warfare, it is a gathering of spiritual warfare: a battle of teachers. In one of Patti's posts was about the "children/young men/fathers" progression of spiritual maturity: and this is all based out of David' temple design given to him by the Spirit: these are the "mighty men of renown" and the "great ones" in David's army; these mighty carnal warriors of the old covenant signify the might spiritual warriors of the new covenant. Mighty teachers of truth.
Remember that the Lord is using things we can see to teach us about the things we cannot see; using the visible to illustrate the invisible. Because it's the invisible things that truly matter. But do not get caught up in confusing the sign for that which it signifies.
Hi John, Steven, and Readers,
Just wanted you to know John, I enjoyed your post immensely. I had never thought of it that way, but it does make sense. We know The Lord's thoughts are so above ours and He will let Satan tempt us as long as is necessary to convince all of creation that Righteousness will prevail in the fullness of time. Many have pondered why a Just God would let Satan and his evil have such a free reign. We weren't there at his fall but satan was able to convince a third of all of heaven to go with him. Had God just wiped him out of existence then, the other two thirds might have always wondered if satan was right. This way, God's way, there will be no doubt, no question's, no second thoughts by anyone that Righteousness is the right way.
Charles Holler Sr
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham
For all of the words said regarding Spiritual Israel, there seems to be a total neglect of Romans 11 regarding Physical Israel. Do you not see that God has not cast away his people during that interim that the Wild Branch was grafted in?
You speak about Edom and I speak about Edom, knowing that they represent these nations (shall we say the Illuminati?) that these are physical nations that are intent on grabbing up a physical land called Israel, a land that God has determined will, once more, be given back to the people despite their sins against Him. He says that He bring them back and never more allow them to be driven off. Yes, I am aware that it was the Illuminati nations that did the work to cause Israel to become a nation in one day but it would never have happened, had it not been in God's timing to bring His Word regarding physical Israel to be gathered back to their land.
You speak about them as if they are of no consequence anymore: that is speaking against the Word of God that says otherwise. When Israel will spent 7 months to search out all the dead as a result of the War of Gog and Magog, it is a physical act back in the land that God has returned onto them. Ezekiel 37:13 "Even all the people of the land will bury them and it will be to their renown on that day, that I glorify Myself declares The Lord God."
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36 Also, thou son of man, prophesy unto the mountains of Israel, and say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord: 2 thus saith the Lord God; Because the enemy hath said against you, Aha, even the ancient high places are ours in possession: 3 therefore prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Because they have made you desolate, and swallowed you up on every side, that ye might be a possession unto the residue of the heathen, and ye are taken up in the lips of talkers, and are an infamy of the people: 4 therefore, ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord God; Thus saith the Lord God to the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys, to the desolate wastes, and to the cities that are forsaken, which became a prey and derision to the residue of the heathen that are round about; 5 therefore thus saith the Lord God; Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all Idumea, which have appointed my land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey. 6 Prophesy therefore concerning the land of Israel, and say unto the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I have spoken in my jealousy and in my fury, because ye have borne the shame of the heathen: 7 therefore thus saith the Lord God; I have lifted up mine hand, Surely the heathen that are about you, they shall bear their shame.
8 But ye, O mountains of Israel, ye shall shoot forth your branches, and yield your fruit to my people of Israel; for they are at hand to come. 9 For, behold, I am for you, and I will turn unto you, and ye shall be tilled and sown: 10 and I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of it: and the cities shall be inhabited, and the wastes shall be builded: 11 and I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better unto you than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I am the Lord. 12 Yea, I will cause men to walk upon you, even my people Israel; and they shall possess thee, and thou shalt be their inheritance, and thou shalt no more henceforth bereave them of men. 13 Thus saith the Lord God; Because they say unto you, Thou land devourest up men, and hast bereaved thy nations; 14 therefore thou shalt devour men no more, neither bereave thy nations any more, saith the Lord God. 15 Neither will I cause men to hear in thee the shame of the heathen any more, neither shalt thou bear the reproach of the people any more, neither shalt thou cause thy nations to fall any more, saith the Lord God.
16 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 17 Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman. 18 Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it: 19 and I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them. 20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the Lord, and are gone forth out of his land.
21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went. 22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name’s sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. 23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. 29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you. 30 And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen. 31 Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations. 32 Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord God, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.
33 Thus saith the Lord God; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded. 34 And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by. 35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited. 36 Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the Lord build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the Lord have spoken it, and I will do it.
37 Thus saith the Lord God; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock. 38 As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the Lord.
Your mention of the 1,000 years acknowledges that there is a period known as the Millennium. I thank you for that. Sometimes, people have such a tendency to be spiritual minded that they forget that we are still in a physical earth with physical people being led by the powers of darkness that will gather together to do war against the people that the many scriptures prophesy still have a future that needs to be fulfilled. Yes, John, we who have been born-again are of Spiritual Israel. We have a Heavenly Father that loves His people so much that He wil now remove their blinders so that they can see what they have been doing and give them a chance to call out to the one that they rejected, "Blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord." Jesus Christ will fight on behalf of His first Chosen, not because of who they are but because He Will be Glorified through-out all the land among all the nations.
You are right, I have no genealogy to prove who is a natural Israelite but it is no problem for the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, is it?
Way to go Gerlinda,
I've been wanting to post a similar type article for weeks now, even months, surrounding Romans 11, but the length it needed to be kept me from finding the time. Thank you for writing it and I couldn't have written it better myself. Great Job.
Charles Holler Sr
This is truly a fabulous example of IRON SHARPENING IRON!!! So exciting to see!! This is what this forum is all about and it is great to see sparks burst into flames!! We are all learning and we are all teaching...AWESOME!!
God Bless you all!! And thank you Steven for providing the place where this can all take place!! No one person has all the answers, but together we can sure get closer to what is Truth.
JESUS IS ALL AND EVERYTHING!!
Thank you John for your responses to the above letters. I have never heard such a complete and easily understood explanation of the difference between Physical and Spiritual Israel. I was certainly blessed by what you showed to be true using the Holy Bible.
I am so excited to have you on this site, as the topics being discussed are major foundation stones of truth, and you are such an asset to all of us who want to know the Truth and not just the religious doctrines of men.
Bless you and thanks again!