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Re: Daniel 9:27 Ten confirm Covenant and NOT the A.C.

Do also note that the Covenant concernsd worldly nations, the ten most powerful worldly nations, which mean most of the G8 and probably Israel and the Arab League.... or something similiar.

The Covenant is not between worldly Israel and the A.C.

The Covenant is the starting point of the last world government, which turns into the AC world government.

So don't think Israel, don;t think the U.S. but think ten nations that are forced to agree and sign a PACT that stops the next Mid East War.

It will culiminate in epic tragedy for the Mid East because an attack on Syria brings in the US. and Russia and China, Iran, the Palestinians even though they have no weapons, Lebanon, etc etc.... it easily escalates into nuclear bombs or small nuclear bombs so that the severity forces the signing of the TEN TOGETHER under shuttle diplomacy.

So the next war will be super serious but it will end with the Covenant, and it is not the major nuclear War described in Revelation17 as that comes later after the Covenant is signed and the new AC President gets fed up with aggressions and stops the aggressors. Ha, the so called Prince of Peace stopping those that are for war by using a nuclear shield and holocaust against them.

Wait for the Covenant brethren.... don;t forsake the basic timeline of Daniels last 7 Years and know the detials as it unfolds.

IMO

David

Re: Daniel 9:27 Ten confirm Covenant and NOT the A.C.

Hi David,
Let me ask you a question, In vs. 26

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


it talks of the Messiah being cut off and vs. 27 looks like a continuation as it starts with the word and.

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Does Messiah confirm the covenant with his death in the midst of the week and causes the sacrifices to cease as He becomes the True Sacrifice? Would the last half of the week be the 3 1/2 years of the Great tribulation? Or are both view correct giving this verse a double fulfillment like in Joel?

Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:


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Charles Holler Sr

Re: Daniel 9:27 Ten confirm Covenant and NOT the A.C.

Thanks for posting Charles...as understanding the basics of Daniel 9 is paramount. I mean it is by far the best and most exact prophecy dating system that absolutely shows any Jewish person or researcher that the Messiah had to be Jesus, because Jesus died exactly at the time when he had to be cut off, and die for our sins. No other Messiah fit all Messianic prophecies as Jesus did and in the exact tiume frame.. Awesome awesome prophecy to show JESUS IS THE MESSIAH the one and only Messiah...

SEEhttp://www.davidjayjordan.com/Daniel9.html

Charles Holler Sr.
Hi David,
Let me ask you a question, In vs. 26

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: (( There is the division, Jesus died exactly 69 weeks or 69times seven years after the going forth of the commandment to rebuild the temple...exactly.. IE Jesus is the Messiah))

and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;(Titus forty years later, see also Mathew 1,2) and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


it talks of the Messiah being cut off and vs. 27 looks like a continuation as it starts with the word and. (NO as nothing happenned in 36 AD, there is a break as we await the Covenant signing of the TEN, the seventh world government as said in almost every chapter of Daniel, and about three chapters in corresponding Revelation)

Consider http://www.davidjayjordan.com/TimeProphecy.html

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(With many, means TEN, 10 meaning 10)

Does Messiah confirm the covenant with his death in the midst of the week and causes the sacrifices to cease as He becomes the True Sacrifice? (No... not sure how you got that interpetation out of this. It was all over after Jesus died for us. FULL STOP))

Would the last half of the week be the 3 1/2 years of the Great tribulation? Or are both view correct giving this verse a double fulfillment like in Joel?

Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

(Joel refers us all of us being able to commnicate with the Lord and even each other when normal communications go down...this if we had done our part when we had the chance, and we want to serve the Lord to the very end. But Yes, the Great Tribulation is the last 3.5 years, or 1260 days of that period. )

(if still having qeries of my perspective, just ask... Nothing wrong with asking and contemplating and praying and comparing all prophetic scriptures and trying to get them perfectly together, because the Lord wrote them all to fit together and be concise and exact.)


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Charles Holler Sr

Re: Daniel 9:27 Ten confirm Covenant and NOT the A.C.

I got this email, concerning the Covenant, so lets go over it on my thread.

ARE WE IDIOTS OR WHAT ????????????


The word "covenant" appears in the King James version of the Bible no less than 272 times ! Two-hundred-seventy-one of those times the Scripture is speaking of a "covenant" which God makes.

Why on God's green earth would anybody in their right mind ever believe that the word "covenant" used once in Daniel 9:27 be speaking of an agreement with the anti-Christ ??????

One out of 272 times ? Let's get real ! Only God makes "covenants".

And from that one mistake the whole false seven-year tribulation, and pre-tribulation theory began !!!!!!!!!!!!


According to your Infallible Word, come Lord Jesus !

Bruce Warner, Scripturalist

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Bruce, maybe a few too many !!!!!

But lets go over it. The Covenant of Daniel is not the other Covenants or Pacts or agreements elsewhere in the Bible. You have to know the context and history, just as Daniel 9 itself is absolutely true history of the Temple destruction, its date by the Babylonians, captivity, the rebuilding, Messiah's death etc..... it is a MUST READ and understand Chapter, even though it is reinforced in so many other books.

Anybody that has studied prophecy has to know about the temple and then realise the 3rd temple has to be built, the Start of Sacrificng being the second sign we must establish as well. The rebuilding of the temple is very important for the Jews.

SO Bruce the Covenant between the ten countries that Daniel talks about over and over and over again and that is repeated in Revelation over and over again, is a fact of future events.

SEE 3rd Temple, Temple Mount org etc. etc.... Its ready to go as the Jews even have a Sannehedrin installed, a Red Heifer selected, etc etc... they just need a temple before they proceed. This they can not build until a Covenant a peace PACT an AGREEMENT a TREATY is signed by the Ten. That is a given, it is not a one word translation. It is a repeated principle that has to be understood.

So Yes, these worldly countries make treaties or covenants. or promises....And later because three of these countries do not keep their promises, and keep on their warring ways, the AC negates them in one literal hour by fire. That's nuclear power, brethren.

As mentioned read chapter 11...... for the signing is the start of the seventh world empire which Daniel and Revelation go over and compliment each other time after time. The Covenant is an essential agreement to give the Jews enough courage to start building their 3rd Temple. They can not do it until the Covenant is signed.

Its all about their temple, without a temple they are not a religious state but merely deemed another secular one. So Yes, worldly people make covenants and promises and treaties. To stop the next war, they make up a covenant, or whatever term you wish to use. For prophecy is not semantics but principles and scenarios and time lines that are stated over and over again and make sense.

And Bruce, allow me to prove that the exact seven year period that absolutely shows that Jesus is the Messiah and was the Messiah is valiod in the End Time, just extraprolate its exactness, or know the timeframes of Revelation, etc. etc... The Lord is exact and consistent when you put it altogether.

If you differ, its OK, and you do not have to write me a personal email, just make your comment HERE at the discussion forum. Maybe use less !!!! and maybe don;t use the word idiots. Just ask normal questions..... for reply and answers

Re: Daniel 9:27 Ten confirm Covenant and NOT the A.C.

Lets go over this truth about this worldly yet godly ordained prophetic COVENANT, even though the irrational might balk at doing so.

Dan 11:20
¶Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.

Dan 11:21
And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.

Dan 11:22
And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.


This right after Daniel 9 where the COVENANT was mentioned, signed by many, stated as TEN.

And so HERE it isd again, in the same context as the AC breaks the prince of the COVENANT.

???? Yes, the AC does not make the COVENANT but is against the Covenant because it doesn;t work, and therefore breaks three countries, as he conspired against the COVENANT. Read on... Read Brethren read...

The diplomat that made the Covenant is broken... the Covenant is the peace agreement between ten countries that gives the Mid East and world some stability for a little while. The Jews get to build thier temple, and the rest seem to back off attacking each other for a while.

The Covenant or Peace Agreement, Treaty or whatever you want to call it, is a political reality for anyone that knows an iota about politics, and governments. Countries make promises and write them down and then sign them as a committment to keep those promises.

The Covenant described by Daniel is between ten countries and it is broken by the AC, as he comes up later after this agreement was made.

Read brethren, read....

Re: Daniel 9:27 Ten confirm Covenant and NOT the A.C.

This should make it easier to understand..

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The A.C. destroys the 'Prince of the Covenant'

Unfortunately many people think the Prince of the Covenant is the Anti-Christ. They believe that the Anti-Christ will be the maker and designer of the Peace Covenant in the Mid East and so accordingly think he is one of the signers of the original Peace Accord signed by the ten kings or ten kingdoms. But this is very unscriptural for many reasons.

Firstly in Revelations, when the angel says: And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is,[and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.- He is talking about the seven world governments as mentioned and prophesied by Daniel. In order as Egypt, Assryria, Bablyon, Medo- Persia Greece, Rome and the Last World Government established by the Ten signee’s of the Covenant. In John’s time the first 5 had fallen and Rome was still in power, and the up-coming Union of the Ten is yet to come

Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.- So again it states that the Beast which is represented by the one and only Anti-Christ of the End Time, makes up the eigth world Government and it is of the seventh because as explained later, when 7 countries or kings see that the Beast has destroyed three of them, then they give their power over to the Beast, b‘ecause who can fight the Beast -’ No one , at least no country can.

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. Yes the ten signee’s only receive power for a short time, 3 and a half years. (according to Daniel 9 )

Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast - There it is, they give there power over to the Anti-Christ.. So it doesn’t appear that the maker of the Covenant, or one of the signees is the Anti-Christ as he comes in afterwards. But let’s check further scriptures to see if we can confirm this. In the Book of Daniel especially Chapter 11 concerning the rise of the Anti-Christ through the ranks of the Russian hierarchy and political system. It says : And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. O.K. so there’s the confirmation that the ten are definitely different than the one little horn that came up afterwards. And again it says that three of the horns or countries shall be destroyed by the Anti-Christ ) Daniel 11: 21-23)

But then again, we should have more confirmation than just two very specific and exact scriptures. So if we look back a few Chapters in the Christ approved and recommended reading of Daniel (Mathew 24:15). Daniel says in Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; ” Yes it is the Anti-Christ that makes war with us, the Lord’s people whether Jew or Gentile in the End-Time.

And now for the clincher…….In Dan 11:22, it says : And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.- Therefore it takes little discernment to see that the Beast or Anti-Christ destroys nations, and then conquers the whole world including Israel and his capital Jerusalem , including the PRINCE OF THE COVENANT. Yea also the A.C. will break or destroy the MAKER of the COVENANT. Why, because it says so, and how could the Anti-Christ be against something he himself made. It doesn’t make sense logically or scripturally.

For again reading further in the scriptures in Dan 11:23 : And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.-es, the A.C. shall rise up from the ranks and yet they won’t give him the honour of the kingdom Putin is obviously not the A.C. , he doesn’t have the exact LOOK as described in scriptures (See Putin is NOT the A.C. letter)

Dan 11:24” He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.- He will come up seemingly as a defender and provider of the poor even though He is financed and elevated by the well established controlling Illuminati.

And then onto Dan 11:28, where it says he - Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart[shall be against the holy covenant; (Why because he comes into power AFTER the signing of the Holy Covenant. Putin or his successor signs it and it is a carry-over into the A,C, reign in Russia, but he is totally against it.) and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land. (And if we didn’t catch the obvious, it repeats this same principle over and over again in the following verses)

Dan 11:29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter. Dan 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have Indignation AGAINST THE HOLY COVENANT: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that FORSAKE the holy covenant. (The A.C. conspires against the Peace Covenant , Not for it) Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. (Now its talking about how the A.C. will conquer Jerusalem and take away the sacrifice and oblation going on the the soon to built 3rd Jewish Temple. This of course can’t be started until after the Holy Covenant is signed.)

Dan 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: (And the good news is despite the A.C.’s ranting and ravings and murders and plunderings still….) the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. (SEE When do we do exploits)

Dan 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. (We may almost get defeated but we go down swinging until Our Lord of Lords and King of Kings rescues us, and destroys the A.C. and his kingdom (SEE We shall fight and die)

Praise God for - In the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever..

In His Service ....... Jay

From http://www.davidjayjordan.com/ACdestroysthePrince.html

Re: Daniel 9:27 Ten confirm Covenant and NOT the A.C.

Have to go brethren, your interpretation are too hard to figure out, too divergent, and besides nobody discusses anything.

Might be back after the Covenant Signing after the Mid East War breaks out.

All the best, stay close to Jesus, and He will sort things out for you, if you are deserving and if you want to serve HIM til the very End.

LIC

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David