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IT WILL END AT THE END



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Debate over the last 3 1/2 years goes on and on; some even calling for a whole 7 years.

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off. . . 27 And He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week; and in the midst of the week He shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease. . .

It marked the END of the Old Testament sacrificial system as far as God is concerned.. He called an END to all of the Old Ways of reaching Him through priests and offerings at the cross when Jesus Christ uttered the very words of confirmation to that fact when He said, "It is Finished". What was finished? The Crucifixion Ordeal? Or was it the Old Sacrificial Temple rituals? It doesn't matter what those stubborn, foolish, apostate temple priest continued to do; Jesus Christ said it was finished. There is no debate about that. And when did that take place according to Daniel? It is said "In the Midst of the Week".

For a short while, I accepted that the whole 70th week was done with at that time of history but then I was reminded of several things. For one thing, as Pentecost came, men from many nations saw and witnessed what took place when the Holy Spirit fell that day and 3,000 souls were added. Since there were people from many surrounding nations gathered there and heard each in their own tongue, we know that there was a mixture of Jew and Gentile at that time. So that tells us, the church was already a mixture of people. That was 50 days after the crucifixion, NOT 3 1/2 years later.

There was a prophecy that took place at the deathbed gathering of Israel where he spoke words over each son. When Dan came to his father's side, Israel had this to say, "Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path that biteth the horse heels so that his rider shall fall backward..... (Gen. 49:16-17) By calling Dan a serpent, Israel was drawing attention to Gen. 3:15 where God placed a curse upon the serpent and his seed. He said, "I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel"'.

The name Dan means Judgment (Gen. 30:6) Isn't that strange? Dan, one of the 12 sons shall judge his fellow brethren of the tribes of Israel? The Hebrew expression is Dan yadin.

The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs claim to be the final utterances of the twelve sons of Jacob. Just prior to the death of each son, they each also gathered their own off-spring and prophesied those things that were to befall each tribe in the future. According to the testament of Dan, he died when he was 125 yrears old. Among the many things he had to say were these words, "I read in the Book of Enoch, the Righteous, that your prince is Satan..." Because of this statement, Jewish scholars (around 150 B.C.) speculated that Dan would produce the Antichrist. Furthermore, Dan was made to say, "I know that in the last days you will defect from the Lord, you will be offended at Levi and revolt against Judah; but you will not prevail over them.

Another thing to remember with Dan is that he was allotted the land along the southwest Mediterranean coast of the the Promised Land. Dan's land was bordered by the Philistines but even after God raised up Sampson to deal with the Philistines, the problem was never solved so Dan looked to other places to make home. He traveled north to Laish (Lion), conquered it and changed it's name to Dan. The whole point of this history shows how Dan became as apostate as his surrounding neighbors. It is a fact that it was at Mt. Herman there in Dan's new area that the Fallen Angels first mated with the daughters of man. That is the makings of what we have coming to a climax now in these End Days.

But there is another prophecy given concerning Dan given by Moses. Moses referred to Laish, the city of the "Lion" and it's location in the territory of Bashan as he prophesied about Dan's disappearance. 'Dan is a lion's whelp; he shall leap from Bashan". Deut. 33:22 and he actually did leap to Europe. Within four hundred years after Moses, the tribe of Dan disappeared. Where did he go? Dan, Back as far as, I Chronicles 2:10, is omitted from the extensive tribal genealogies of Israel. That continued to be seen when the 12 tribes of Israel are listed in the 144,000 of Rev. 7:4-8

We also know that Dan and the other apostate tribes that joined with him traveled to Europe where today, they are the Royals; the Illuminated Ones of Europe and also of that lineage are the very Illuminated ones of America. Dan's seed was genetically contaminated by the Seed of Satan. We have Denmark named after the Dannites, the Danube River. In fact, Jordan means, "The going down of the Dan". The city of London is evidence of the Lion of Dan, not the Lion of Judah. It seems that the whole of the 10 lost tribes make up the 10 nations that will gather to make war against the final gathering of the Hebrews to their God-given land.

God is going to use one of their very one to judge them and that is what we have had. When Israel was once again established in 1948 as promised by the Lord, it was through the power & money of the Rothschilds and their fellow Illuminati families. Every leader of that nation was a member of the various groups of power such as The Trilateral Commission who were in league with the Dannites. It seems, there may have been a change of heart among a couple of them; thus they were eliminated. Haven't we wondered why the leaders would obey the Rothschild ruling and ordered the tearing down Jewish settlements when it is contrary to what a leader would do to keep his nation strong. An extensive look at the Illuminati buildings in Jerusalem, built under the Rothschild direction and funds, shows how effectively Dan has been judging his own country-men. The whole legal system is extensive and skillfully used to defy and hinder the real Israelites who want to do as they have been told; return to the land and build it up.

Even though, the Land of Israel was established by the Illuminati, God showed it was really His timing. He showed miracle after miracle of His Divine protection to tiny Israel, not because they were so special BUT because it was His Timing and His Word set in the Scriptures of when and whom would judge the people of Israel for not acknowledging their Messiah when He stood right before them.

Since Satan is the leader of these apostate tribes, He is judging like only one could that has revenge upon his mind. Want to know just how determined they are, consider the words of Obama that He wrote on the beam of the Great Tower that was erected in NY city. "We remember," ''We rebuild" and "We come back ... Those words weren't speaking of just the 9/11 event, it was the words of the Seed of Satan who remembered the Tower of Babel's destruction, the Flood. Genesis 6 tells that they (Fallen Angels) came back again. They have been building all over the world, haven't they? They have been the very ones to bring Israel back into being a country and all of their symbols are seen all over the country especially Jerusalem where the Lion is central theme just like it is in the City of London.

Even, a look at the dedication ceremony that took place at that place, matched the same kind of marching counter-clock-wise around it that is done by the Moslems around the Black Cube in Mecca. The Planet of Saturn show this same counter-clockwise movement of it's clouds that appears like a SEA. And where does Antic-Christ come from? The Sea.

So, really, we can argue the issue of whether the whole 7 years were fulfilled of Daniel's prophecy was fulfilled or if there is 3 1/2 years left when DAN WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE and in return will be destroyed by God Himself until the cows come home but that isn't about to get solved anytime soon. But what we do see before our very eyes are the prophecies spoken about by Israel to his children. Then Dan to his own children. Even Moses had words to say about the future. Then there are the prophecies of the other great prophets like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Micah, Hosea, Zephaniah, Ezekiel, etc. They spoke of End Days events, not gibberish.

We, who believe now (both Jew and Gentile] have the Blessed Hope of the Rapture) but the rest will face harsh tribulation at the hands of God through His ever ironic way of dealing with the Apostates. And, then words spoken about in the New Testament regarding End Days Israelites that finally see the light. Well, no wonder, their Spiritual Blindfolds are now removed which were placed there for the sake of the Gentiles. It is a guarantee they will call out in recognition of who Yeshua haMashiach was all along,

Blessed is He That Comes In The Name of the Lord. (Matthew 23:39)

Dan has become a mixture of Assyrian, Roman, Greek, Jewish and Seed of Satan. Ironically, we hear more and more in these days of all of these people gathered together within the United Nations. These are the Edomites whom even the Israelites know is their final enemy.

God does things His Way. doesn't He?

Gerlinda


Re: IT WILL END AT THE END

RE: Gerlinda's posting...

It will "end at the end", and that's for sure! And that's like saying one is a "pan tribber"..."everything will 'pan out in the end'...etc.

However, that's being a bit "blase" (not really caring) about the subject that is strongly felt by many!

Whether or not there will be a "7-year-tribulation" and all that it implies is a HORRENDOUS doctrinal difference!!! Do I care if other Christians understand the truth?? ABSOLUTELY!!

Have you ever looked up what the word "MIDST" means? It can have meanings other than "in the middle of" something. It can also mean "during something" or "among something or someone".

For example....If there is one boy sitting in the MIDST of 7 girls, that doesn't mean he is sitting with 3 girls on one side, and 3 girls on the other side. It means he is IN THE MIDST OF THEM. There could be 6 on one side and 1 on the other side....but he is still in the MIDST of them.

Daniel 9:27 says "He shall confirm the covenant with many FOR ONE WEEK." That could very well mean that it will take a "week" to complete this confirmation. And this would mean it would take a full 7 years to accomplish the totality of the "confirming".

Then it says "in the MIDST of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease." So, this could mean ANY TIME DURING THAT SEVEN YEARS....it does not necessarily cut it right down the middle into 3 1/2 years first, and then 3 1/2 years later. Jesus died at the END of the "week" of 7 years. But there was something else involved that most people don't understand from the OT....THE SACRIFICIAL GOAT! That was part of the sacrifices made for SIN done by Israel (the faithful followers of God).

And what about the symbolism of the "sacrificial goat"??? How was that fulfilled by Jesus Christ. He was the "Sacrificial Lamb"...but there has to be a fulfillment of the "Goat" as well.

If EVERYTHING was accomplished by Jesus Christ during that "seven years" of His ministry....then there WILL BE NO PART OF ANY "TRIBULATION" LEFT TO BE FULFILLED.

Understanding that could END all the controversy!!

And that's where this perfect explanation comes into play. I posted it a few days ago, but whether or not you read it...I don't know. Apparently you did not. So, I am posting it again here.

BTW...All you have said in this very long posting may be very interesting to some, and it shows you've done a lot of studying of OT things and things about the NWO...and that's a good thing. However, how much of that material can be retained by the average Christian who became saved last month...or a year ago?? Not much!! So, getting to the "nitty gritty" might be more to their liking, and interest...or not! And why should any Christians be listening to "Jewish Scholars" anyway? I don't even like listening to "Christian Scholars"....but that's only me!

Arlene


This is for your information, in case you didn't see it....



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THERE WILL BE NO PART OF THE "LAST WEEK OF DANIEL" IN THE FUTURE. And to look for this is putting forth FALSE DOCTRINE. There are no GAPS between the 69th week and 70th week as some falsely teach. There are also no "splits" in the last week (3 1/2 years yet to be fulfilled) because a "week" means a CONSECUTIVE COUNTING OF SEVEN DAYS. Otherwise, it could not be called a "week".

NONE of Daniel's 70th week is seen, or even MENTIONED in the Book of Revelation. Putting even "half a week" there, when it is NOT, is ADDING TO THE SCRIPTURE.....read Rev. 22:18-19....not a good thing to do at all!!


Perhaps this article can clear this up for those who disagree:


http://www.tedmontgomery.com/bblovrvw/emails/70WeeksEnd33AD.html


Piece of the link article:


Daniel chapter 9:

24 Seventy weeks [i.e., 70 rest year cycles, or 490 years] are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy. 25 Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks [i.e., 7 rest year cycles, or 49 years] and threescore and two weeks [62 x 7 = 434 years]� 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off. . . 27 And He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week; and in the midst of the week He shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease. . .

It is not our intention to do a complete study on this subject, as that would take an entire book in itself. The question we must resolve here is the meaning of verses 26 and 27. The Messiah was to be �cut off� sometime after the 62-week period. Daniel�s three time periods are as follows:

1. Seven weeks.......458 BC - 409 BC

2. Sixty-two weeks...409 BC - 26 AD

3. One week...........26 AD - 33 AD


Daniel�s prophecy tells us that �the sacrifice and the oblation� would cease in the midst of the final week of years (26-33 A.D.). This turns out to be the fall of 29 A.D., specifically, the Day of Atonement of that year, when Jesus presented Himself to John for baptism.

We usually assume that the crucifixion ended the Old Testament sacrificial system, and most certainly, it did mark the full end of sacrifice insofar as the Christian is concerned. The priests continued sacrificing in the Temple for another 40 years, until the Temple was destroyed by the Romans.

Thus, it is obvious that Daniel�s prophecy spoke only from God�s perspective about the efficacy of those sacrifices and oblations. No sacrifice after Jesus� presentations had any relevance to the sin question. The midst of Daniel�s 70th week marks the time of Jesus� baptism, when He presented Himself as the true Goat. Jesus later presented Himself as the true Lamb at Passover of 33 A.D., marking the end of Daniel�s 70 weeks.

These are the two great days in which Jesus presented Himself to the Father as the Sacrifice for sin. The first was a legal death, when He �died� by means of baptism. The second was His actual death on the Cross.

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So, to put something into the FUTURE that was already accomplished by Jesus Christ is to ADD to Scripture something that shouldn't be there.

Arlene