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This comes from the Popular Dictionary of Bible Prophecy by Ron Rhodes, I Believe we can know the season of the Rapture, but as for predicting a specific date as many have in the past I do not agree with, and I don't see SPECIFIC scripture that says otherwise, however we are given many clues.
We must rely on the Holy Spirit and what I call " Progressive Revelation " or Rama Knowledge to further clues to the timing of many events.....
Jeremiah 33:3
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3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.
Romans 3:4
King James Version (KJV)
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Date-setting.
Christians can be excited with GOOD REASON about the coming of the Lord, but they should NEVER SET DATES ( for example, setting a date when the rapture is expected to occur. There are at least eight (8) reasons for this :
1) Over the past 2000 years, the track record of those who have predicted and or expected " the end " has been 100 % percent wrong. The history of doomsday predictions is little more than a history of dashed predictions.
Though it is very possible that we are living in the last days, it is also possible that Christ's second coming may be a long way off.
2) Those who succumb to setting dates may end up making harmful decisions for their lives, like selling one's possessions and heading for the mountains, purchasing bomb shelters, stopping education, leaving family and friends-these are destructive actions that can ruins one's life.
3) Christians who succumb to setting dates may end up damaging their faith in the Bible ( especially prophetic sections ) when their expectations fail.
4) If one loses confidence in the prophetic portions of scripture, biblical prophecy ceases to be a motivation to purity and holiness in daily life ( see Titus 2:12-14 )
5) Christians who succumb to setting dates may damage the faith of new or immature believers when predicted events fail to materialize.
6) Date setters tend to be sensationalistic, and sensationalism is unbefitting to a Christian . Christ calls His followers to live soberly and alertly as they await His coming ( see Mark 13:32-37 )
7) Christians who get caught up in date setting can do damage to the cause of Christ. Humanists enjoy scorning Christians who have put stock in end time predictions, especially when specific dates have been attached to specific events. Why give ammo to the enemies of Christianity ?
8) The timing of end time events is in God's hands, and we haven't been given the details ( Acts 1:7 ). As far as the second coming is concerned, it is better to live as if Jesus were coming today and yet prepare for the future as if He were not coming for a long time, then you are ready for time and eternity.
Question, Does the Lord want us to know the exact date of the rapture ?
I am not so sure our time is best spent searching for dates, it is enough for me to know that it will happen some day ( hopefully soon by the signs we are seeing ) in the future......COME LORD JESUS.
With all Love and Respect
Bob
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Hi Bob,
Is date setting good or bad in the bible?
Have you considered that over 25% of the bible is prophecy?
That means dates were set and Jesus spoke of HIS arrival in Israel as fulfilling prophecy to the date!
Below is more for you to consider but is NOT exhaustive in anyway shape or form.
I really appreciate your question and hope and pray that The HOLY SPIRIT will give you discernment regarding this matter.
Remember JESUS did command us to watch why would JESUS command us to watch if we would not know the time?
God Bless
Keep Looking UP!
Steven
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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
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Hi Steve, thanks for you comments and concerns as to my position on predicting a SPECIFIC DATE of the RAPTURE, I am very familiar with Luke 21:36 and many other passages that we are to be watching,alert and sober, but I cannot find any scripture that tells me to try and predict a SPECIFIC date, sure we will be given clues and we might even get close, but as for predicting the exact date, I am not convinced.
I really enjoy watching and keeping up with Bible Prophecy as you well know, I just think that when we stand in front of Jesus he would be better pleased if we spent more of our time winning souls for the Kingdom, then spending most of our time trying to predict a ACTUAL RAPTURE DATE, I am not knocking anybody's position or motives, just presenting my opinion, and I most assuredly do not have all the answers that's for sure, and I am but a man, flesh and blood, and I will make mistakes, and I will also be the first one to admit my mistakes, learn from them and move forward.
I have learned to be content with knowing that the Lord will execute the Rapture in His timing, and if I am to know the exact date the Holy spirit will let me know on a need to know basis ( that would be wonderful ).
I truly admire your Zeal for the Lord and the Rapture, and the effort you put into your search. THANK YOU
AGAPE, Bob
Hi Bob,
That is why I suggested YOU pray for the HOLY SPIRIT to teach and LEAD YOU in this matter.
I can not convince you nor should I.
I can only suggest to you information to read. like the posts above.
Did you read them in their entirety?
Also you might want to do a study on 'signs' and let us know what you find ?
Genesis 1:14
Gen 1:14
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
KJV
53 Matches for SIGNS IN THE KJV bible.
Gen 1:14
Ex 4:9
Ex 4:17
Ex 4:28
Ex 4:30
Ex 7:3
Ex 10:1
Ex 10:2
Num 14:11
Deut 4:34
Deut 6:22
Deut 7:19
Deut 26:8
Deut 29:3
Deut 34:11
Josh 24:17
1 Sam 10:7
1 Sam 10:9
Neh 9:10
Ps 74:4
Ps 74:9
Ps 78:43
Ps 105:27
Isa 8:18
Jer 10:2
Jer 32:20
Jer 32:21
Dan 4:2
Dan 4:3
Dan 6:27
Matt 16:3
Matt 24:24
Mark 13:22
Mark 16:17
Mark 16:20
Luke 1:62
Luke 21:11
Luke 21:25
John 4:48
John 20:30
Acts 2:19
Acts 2:22
Acts 2:43
Acts 4:30
Acts 5:12
Acts 7:36
Acts 8:13
Acts 14:3
Rom 15:19
2 Cor 12:12
2 Cor 12:12
2 Thess 2:9
Heb 2:4
Matt 16:3
3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
KJV
Matt 24:24
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
KJV
Luke 21:11
11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
KJV
Hi Steven, you seem to be missing my point,I DONT SEE ANYWHERE IN SCRIPTURE THAT TELLS ME TO SPECIFICALLY TRY TO PREDICT THE EXACT DATE OF THE RAPTURE.
That was my point, WATCHING IS NOT THE SAME AS PREDICTING A SPECIFIC DATE by any means.
I can see that this is a touchy subject for you, and I hope I have not offended you in any way, if you think I am wrong, please tell me your thoughts as I have always valued your opinion.
I hope Arlene will give me her thoughts ( and correction if needed ) on this,as well as others who post here.
AGAPE, Bob
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Hi Steve, I was surfing the big G looking for other thoughts and articles on date setting, 1st) I thought it was very cool that our conversation was at the TOP of the big G page, how awesome is that, God is giving your site exposure.
Here is one of the many, many articles I found about why date setting can be harmful.
This is from Rapture Ready.
http://www.raptureready.com/faq/faq65.html
What is wrong with date-setting?
After twenty-plus years Rapture Ready has heard of or received one hundred different formulations each year for the timing of the Rapture or Second Coming. Having already witnessed around 2,000 predictions come to nothing doesn't leave any great hope for new ones that come along. Any person's chances of being right are, at best, one in 2,000.
The Word of God makes it very clear that we will not know the timing of the Rapture. Matthew 24:44 states, "For this reason you be ready too; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will."
Because date setting can cause emotional harm to some people, Rapture Ready does not allow date setting on the message board. A couple of years back, one participant threatened to kill himself after he thought he'd missed the Rapture.
AGAPE, Bob
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Re: Setting Dates.....
Well, Bob, you wanted my opinion on this one....
I have a fairly good understanding of what is told to us in the Bible. However, I have NEVER seen a verse that "forbids us to set dates"....but I have heard this thousands of times, over the years, spouted from the lips of apostate "Pastors" from the pulpits in today's "churches"....which are also TOTALLY not biblically based.
Why on earth would God tell us to "WATCH" so many times if He DID NOT want us to be on the lookout for His return?? If our mother told us that our "Daddy" was coming home soon and we were to "watch" for him....I would be on constant alert for ANY AND ALL CLUES which would indicate his arrival was near.
Would I "set dates"??? ABSOLUTELY!! If they came and went, then I would brush that one off and get on to other clues....until he came home. I would not stop no matter how foolish I appeared to others. If I LOVED HIM, THIS WOULD BE EXPECTED OF ME. It shows how much I care!!
Besides, what better way to spread gospel knowledge to others. When they sense your anticipation and excitement each time a date is predicted, they will start to "watch" (though silently) for themselves. It causes them to at least CONSIDER that God is real...and the possibility of His soon return. They may laugh it off, but they are still thinking about it....and this happened to me BEFORE I received my gift of salvation, and it actually might have caused me to want to learn more about the Bible in the first place. Granted, it was an "escapist mentality"....but it was God who drew me in that way....CURIOSITY!
And it also seems quite odd to me that all these phoney pastors who shout and regurgitate about "SETTING DATES IS FORBIDDEN IN THE BIBLE" (point to chapter and verse on this, please)....are the FIRST ONES to worship the apostate JEWS. And they are the FIRST ONES to spout out that JESUS WAS A JEW. And that is total BLASPHEMY!! I noticed one of the films in this series of postings had "our Jewish Messiah" on the subtitle. I know Steven posted that one even though he realizes that Jesus was NOT a "JEW", but the video contains good information in spite of the sub-title.
We have to exercise DISCERNMENT in all things!! If it's in the Bible, keep it! If it isn't THROW IT OUT!!
There is NOTHING in the Bible about "date setting is forbidden". But you might keep in mind that saying it's there is ADDING TO SCRIPTURE. (See the warning in Rev. 22:18-19) Somehow it seems coincidental that the SAME PEOPLE who condemn "date setting" also call Jesus a "Jew"!! And this is positively EQUATING Jesus Christ to the Pharisees, whom He called "whited sepulchres which are unclean on the inside", "blind guides", "fools" and "hypocrites.... See Matthew 23:27-34. Here's a GOOD ONE for those who tell us that "date setting is forbidden in the Bible....
"And why beholdest thou the MOTE that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the BEAM that is in thine own eye?...Mt. 7:3
I do not get angry or argumentative with "date-setters", as I AM ONE myself because I can think of little else than the Bible and the return of our Lord; but I get extremely angry at anyone who calls my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, a "JEW".
I respect your enthusiasm, but, as I can see from the arguments in the above posts that there is too much UNNECESSARY information. The argument is, "Is date-setting scriptural"? Point out the Scripture...chapter and verse. IF you can't do this, why argue about it in the first place?
We are told to "watch". If we don't know WHAT we are watching for, then why do it? And if we KNOW that we are watching for the return of Jesus Christ, then I can't think of ANYTHING more appropriate than watching for, and putting together DATES that this could occur.
With Christian love...
Arlene
Hi Arlene, thanks very much for you opinion on this matter, I am well aware and I am watching, and will continue to watch as we are commanded, I guess time will tell if the exact date of the rapture can be predicated. So far, all predictions have come and gone.
AGAPE,Bob
Re: Bob's post to me...
I totally understand the dichotomy of watching for something that may, or may not happen. But, that's just about the PERFECT definition of "FAITH"...
"Now FAITH is the substance of things HOPED FOR, the evidence of things NOT SEEN. (vs.2) For by it (FAITH) the elders obtained a GOOD REPORT"....Hebrews 11:1-2
Watching for the events around the return of Jesus Christ is a SIGN OF FAITH! You are "hoping for" UNSEEN things! And that takes COURAGE to do in spite of all those who criticize us for doing just that....watching, waiting, hoping, setting dates....it's all in FAITH that it will happen!
God knows our hearts...and that's the only opinion that counts. I've been watching, waiting, and looking at ALL the set dates since the 1980s....and each year brings us closer. So far, all has been in vain....but there's always "next year" and another HOPE....
And that gives me great joy!!
Arlene
Greetings Bob,
I want to respond here to your post on date setting. First I would like to point out a common mistake made by young Christians and/or Christians who have just not spent a decade or two in studying this subject. You're interchanging two subjects as one ( like calling the 2nd Coming and the Rapture the same event ) Watching and or date setting is NOT PREDICTING!!! Predicting is a "Thus sayeth The Lord" and I don't know of any predictions for the rapture. I'm what Johnny Baptist calls a date re-setter. You give 8 reasons why we should never set a date and the only good thing about those reasons which are full of poison ( each statement is meant to sound like a fact yet every one has an if, or may, or when, or tends to be, or can do....this is very deceptive and my Father is Truth) is I need to write an article called " ___ reasons why we are supposed to set dates according to Scripture". I try to be as Christ like as I can and Jesus is the biggest date setter of all time. I'm not going to go into ALL the scriptures that tell this Truth if we have eyes to see and ears to hear. Then in your third post on this thread you totally take out of context Matt 24:44 "Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh." This is telling us to pay attention to the verse preceding it so we can be the Goodman of the house and be ready. Now as for those few very weak Christians and human beings who fall apart after a date passes or even attempts suicide.... there are far deeper problems going on here and this date setting is not the reason, only their excuse. Date setting draws the Body of Christ closer to Him. "Heb_10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." How can you see the day approaching if you don't know what day it is? I personally will keep looking for that day. A side note:
I don't know how long you've been serving The Lord so if it's been over 25 years you'll remember this. An engineer from NASA put out a booklet called 88 reasons why the Rapture is in 1988 (Sept. 9-11 Rosh Hashana to be exact) I read this book in a Hotel room in Chicago on Sept. 6th 1988 not knowing the whole Christian world was abuzz, he ( Ed Wieznant ) had been on tbn, 700 club, and multiple other tv and radio stations for over a year and the excitement was at a frenzy level. I of coarse being a very successful business man had no idea, but that little book found its way to my briefcase and it was full of Scripture and like an onion it started peeling away the hardness of my heart to the point that I found myself literally talking to God Almighty. We spoke for what seemed like hours and He was so gentle with me as I arrogantly told Him why I couldn't or wouldn't serve Him. He then talked to me on a level I understood...business... and even though I didn't believe He was coming back that week, I knew He was coming back someday and it was soon and if I was found the way I was then I would be spiritually bankrupt and miss the Rapture. I knew this to be the Truth. I then started making a covenant with Him about private things, but the last thing I asked for was that My wife would serve Him too. He immediately said OK and that was it. I was saved, but didn't really know it till morning when I said a curse word and I felt the Holy Spirit jump in my body. You have to understand I was making 300k and that was about to double and if I was going to serve Jesus I would have to walk away from that because the very nature of that business was based on deception. ( what to do hmmmm $10,000.00 per week or serve Jesus and end up on welfare for the next 2 years) I chose wisely thank the Lord. To wrap this up I drove home from Chicago early the next day and when I got home I sat quietly on the coach with my wife who finally said " Something happened today Chuck, Out of nowhere I just got in the car and drove to the preachers house and told him I was tired of all the lies in my life and I wanted to get saved" and there it was the Creator of the Universe kept His side of our covenant, did I really have a choice lol. Twenty five people I personally knew got saved that month (16 that weekend) and they have touched the lives of many more in the last 25 years. I called Ed W who wrote the book to try and encouragement after his failed date and he sent me letters he received and over 100,000 that he knows about got saved (I was one) and how many lives did they touch? Oh yes Bob I believe in date setting and I'm going to Heaven because of it.
Agape
Charles