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DATE SETTING, RAPTURE AND OR OTHER DATES, GOOD OR BAD ?

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This comes from the Popular Dictionary of Bible Prophecy by Ron Rhodes, I Believe we can know the season of the Rapture, but as for predicting a specific date as many have in the past I do not agree with, and I don't see SPECIFIC scripture that says otherwise, however we are given many clues.
We must rely on the Holy Spirit and what I call " Progressive Revelation " or Rama Knowledge to further clues to the timing of many events.....

Jeremiah 33:3

King James Version (KJV)


3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.


Romans 3:4

King James Version (KJV)


4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.





Date-setting.

Christians can be excited with GOOD REASON about the coming of the Lord, but they should NEVER SET DATES ( for example, setting a date when the rapture is expected to occur. There are at least eight (8) reasons for this :

1) Over the past 2000 years, the track record of those who have predicted and or expected " the end " has been 100 % percent wrong. The history of doomsday predictions is little more than a history of dashed predictions.
Though it is very possible that we are living in the last days, it is also possible that Christ's second coming may be a long way off.

2) Those who succumb to setting dates may end up making harmful decisions for their lives, like selling one's possessions and heading for the mountains, purchasing bomb shelters, stopping education, leaving family and friends-these are destructive actions that can ruins one's life.

3) Christians who succumb to setting dates may end up damaging their faith in the Bible ( especially prophetic sections ) when their expectations fail.

4) If one loses confidence in the prophetic portions of scripture, biblical prophecy ceases to be a motivation to purity and holiness in daily life ( see Titus 2:12-14 )

5) Christians who succumb to setting dates may damage the faith of new or immature believers when predicted events fail to materialize.

6) Date setters tend to be sensationalistic, and sensationalism is unbefitting to a Christian . Christ calls His followers to live soberly and alertly as they await His coming ( see Mark 13:32-37 )

7) Christians who get caught up in date setting can do damage to the cause of Christ. Humanists enjoy scorning Christians who have put stock in end time predictions, especially when specific dates have been attached to specific events. Why give ammo to the enemies of Christianity ?

8) The timing of end time events is in God's hands, and we haven't been given the details ( Acts 1:7 ). As far as the second coming is concerned, it is better to live as if Jesus were coming today and yet prepare for the future as if He were not coming for a long time, then you are ready for time and eternity.



Question, Does the Lord want us to know the exact date of the rapture ?
I am not so sure our time is best spent searching for dates, it is enough for me to know that it will happen some day ( hopefully soon by the signs we are seeing ) in the future......COME LORD JESUS.

With all Love and Respect
Bob


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Re: DATE SETTING, RAPTURE AND OR OTHER DATES, GOOD OR BAD ?

Hi Bob,

Is date setting good or bad in the bible?

Have you considered that over 25% of the bible is prophecy?

That means dates were set and Jesus spoke of HIS arrival in Israel as fulfilling prophecy to the date!

Below is more for you to consider but is NOT exhaustive in anyway shape or form.

I really appreciate your question and hope and pray that The HOLY SPIRIT will give you discernment regarding this matter.


Remember JESUS did command us to watch why would JESUS command us to watch if we would not know the time?


God Bless

Keep Looking UP!

Steven



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Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible

August 22, 2003

By Dr. Hugh Ross




Unique among all books ever written, the Bible accurately foretells specific events-in detail-many years, sometimes centuries, before they occur. Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter—no errors.


(The remaining 500 or so reach into the future and may be seen unfolding as days go by.) Since the probability for any one of these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance averages less than one in ten (figured very conservatively) and since the prophecies are for the most part independent of one another, the odds for all these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance without error is less than one in 102000 (that is 1 with 2000 zeros written after it)!

God is not the only one, however, who uses forecasts of future events to get people's attention. Satan does, too. Through clairvoyants (such as Jeanne Dixon and Edgar Cayce), mediums, spiritists, and others, come remarkable predictions, though rarely with more than about 60 percent accuracy, never with total accuracy. Messages from Satan, furthermore, fail to match the detail of Bible prophecies, nor do they include a call to repentance.

The acid test for identifying a prophet of God is recorded by Moses in Deuteronomy 18:21-22. According to this Bible passage (and others), God's prophets, as distinct from Satan's spokesmen, are 100 percent accurate in their predictions. There is no room for error.

As economy does not permit an explanation of all the Biblical prophecies that have been fulfilled, what follows in a discussion of a few that exemplify the high degree of specificity, the range of projection, and/or the "supernature" of the predicted events. Readers are encouraged to select others, as well, and to carefully examine their historicity.

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(1) Some time before 500 B.C. the prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's long-awaited Messiah would begin his public ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25-26). He further predicted that the Messiah would be "cut off," killed, and that this event would take place prior to a second destruction of Jerusalem. Abundant documentation shows that these prophecies were perfectly fulfilled in the life (and crucifixion) of Jesus Christ. The decree regarding the restoration of Jerusalem was issued by Persia's King Artaxerxes to the Hebrew priest Ezra in 458 B.C., 483 years later the ministry of Jesus Christ began in Galilee. (Remember that due to calendar changes, the date for the start of Christ's ministry is set by most historians at about 26 A.D. Also note that from 1 B.C. to 1 A.D. is just one year.) Jesus' crucifixion occurred only a few years later, and about four decades later, in 70 A.D. came the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)*

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(2) In approximately 700 B.C. the prophet Micah named the tiny village of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Israel's Messiah (Micah 5:2). The fulfillment of this prophecy in the birth of Christ is one of the most widely known and widely celebrated facts in history.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)

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(3) In the fifth century B.C. a prophet named Zechariah declared that the Messiah would be betrayed for the price of a slave—thirty pieces of silver, according to Jewish law-and also that this money would be used to buy a burial ground for Jerusalem's poor foreigners (Zechariah 11:12-13). Bible writers and secular historians both record thirty pieces of silver as the sum paid to Judas Iscariot for betraying Jesus, and they indicate that the money went to purchase a "potter's field," used—just as predicted—for the burial of poor aliens (Matthew 27:3-10).

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1011.)

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(4) Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10). Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1013.)

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(5) The prophet Isaiah foretold that a conqueror named Cyrus would destroy seemingly impregnable Babylon and subdue Egypt along with most of the rest of the known world. This same man, said Isaiah, would decide to let the Jewish exiles in his territory go free without any payment of ransom (Isaiah 44:28; 45:1; and 45:13). Isaiah made this prophecy 150 years before Cyrus was born, 180 years before Cyrus performed any of these feats (and he did, eventually, perform them all), and 80 years before the Jews were taken into exile.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1015.)

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(6) Mighty Babylon, 196 miles square, was enclosed not only by a moat, but also by a double wall 330 feet high, each part 90 feet thick. It was said by unanimous popular opinion to be indestructible, yet two Bible prophets declared its doom. These prophets further claimed that the ruins would be avoided by travelers, that the city would never again be inhabited, and that its stones would not even be moved for use as building material (Isaiah 13:17-22 and Jeremiah 51:26, 43). Their description is, in fact, the well-documented history of the famous citadel.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 109.)

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(7) The exact location and construction sequence of Jerusalem's nine suburbs was predicted by Jeremiah about 2600 years ago. He referred to the time of this building project as "the last days," that is, the time period of Israel's second rebirth as a nation in the land of Palestine (Jeremiah 31:38-40). This rebirth became history in 1948, and the construction of the nine suburbs has gone forward precisely in the locations and in the sequence predicted.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1018.)

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( The prophet Moses foretold (with some additions by Jeremiah and Jesus) that the ancient Jewish nation would be conquered twice and that the people would be carried off as slaves each time, first by the Babylonians (for a period of 70 years), and then by a fourth world kingdom (which we know as Rome). The second conqueror, Moses said, would take the Jews captive to Egypt in ships, selling them or giving them away as slaves to all parts of the world. Both of these predictions were fulfilled to the letter, the first in 607 B.C. and the second in 70 A.D. God's spokesmen said, further, that the Jews would remain scattered throughout the entire world for many generations, but without becoming assimilated by the peoples or of other nations, and that the Jews would one day return to the land of Palestine to re-establish for a second time their nation (Deuteronomy 29; Isaiah 11:11-13; Jeremiah 25:11; Hosea 3:4-5 and Luke 21:23-24).

This prophetic statement sweeps across 3500 years of history to its complete fulfillment—in our lifetime.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 120.)

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(9) Jeremiah predicted that despite its fertility and despite the accessibility of its water supply, the land of Edom (today a part of Jordan) would become a barren, uninhabited wasteland (Jeremiah 49:15-20; Ezekiel 25:12-14). His description accurately tells the history of that now bleak region.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)

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(10) Joshua prophesied that Jericho would be rebuilt by one man. He also said that the man's eldest son would die when the reconstruction began and that his youngest son would die when the work reached completion (Joshua 6:26). About five centuries later this prophecy found its fulfillment in the life and family of a man named Hiel (1 Kings 16:33-34).

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 107).

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(11) The day of Elijah's supernatural departure from Earth was predicted unanimously—and accurately, according to the eye-witness account—by a group of fifty prophets (2 Kings 2:3-11).

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 109).

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(12) Jahaziel prophesied that King Jehoshaphat and a tiny band of men would defeat an enormous, well-equipped, well-trained army without even having to fight. Just as predicted, the King and his troops stood looking on as their foes were supernaturally destroyed to the last man (2 Chronicles 20).

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 .

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(13) One prophet of God (unnamed, but probably Shemiah) said that a future king of Judah, named Josiah, would take the bones of all the occultic priests (priests of the "high places") of Israel's King Jeroboam and burn them on Jeroboam's altar (1 Kings 13:2 and 2 Kings 23:15-1 . This event occurred approximately 300 years after it was foretold.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1013).

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Since these thirteen prophecies cover mostly separate and independent events, the probability of chance occurrence for all thirteen is about 1 in 10138 (138 equals the sum of all the exponents of 10 in the probability estimates above). For the sake of putting the figure into perspective, this probability can be compared to the statistical chance that the second law of thermodynamics will be reversed in a given situation (for example, that a gasoline engine will refrigerate itself during its combustion cycle or that heat will flow from a cold body to a hot body)—that chance = 1 in 1080. Stating it simply, based on these thirteen prophecies alone, the Bible record may be said to be vastly more reliable than the second law of thermodynamics. Each reader should feel free to make his own reasonable estimates of probability for the chance fulfillment of the prophecies cited here. In any case, the probabilities deduced still will be absurdly remote.

Given that the Bible proves so reliable a document, there is every reason to expect that the remaining 500 prophecies, those slated for the "time of the end," also will be fulfilled to the last letter. Who can afford to ignore these coming events, much less miss out on the immeasurable blessings offered to anyone and everyone who submits to the control of the Bible's author, Jesus Christ? Would a reasonable person take lightly God's warning of judgment for those who reject what they know to be true about Jesus Christ and the Bible, or who reject Jesus' claim on their lives?

*The estimates of probability included herein come from a group of secular research scientists. As an example of their method of estimation, consider their calculations for this first prophecy cited:
•Since the Messiah's ministry could conceivably begin in any one of about 5000 years, there is, then, one chance in about 5000 that his ministry could begin in 26 A.D.
•Since the Messiah is God in human form, the possibility of his being killed is considerably low, say less than one chance in 10.
•Relative to the second destruction of Jerusalem, this execution has roughly an even chance of occurring before or after that event, that is, one chance in 2.

Hence, the probability of chance fulfillment for this prophecy is 1 in 5000 x 10 x 2, which is 1 in 100,000, or 1 in 105.






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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

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NOTE WITHOUT DATES SET IN THE BIBLE WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE EVIDENCE OF THE FACT IT IS THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD.

SO THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE RAPTURE AND THE RETURN OF CHRIST IS LIKELY IN THE BIBLE JUST SOMEONE HAS TO TAKE THE TIME TO STUDY AND FIND THE INFORMATION IS MY THOUGHT REGARDING DATE SETTING IN THE BIBLE AND IS IT GOOD OR BAD?....MY OPINION IT IS NOT BAD......GOD BLESS...Steven


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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

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Bible prophecies fulfilled:
Bible prophecies that found fulfillment during the life of Jesus Christ




Jesus Christ
Jesus is unique in that his life was prophesied in detail by Bible prophets centuries before he was born. Below is a selection of Bible prophecies that found fulfillment during the life of Jesus the Messiah about 2,000 years ago.

The commentaries below are from the second edition of the book, 100 Prophecies, by George Konig and Ray Konig, who are the authors and copyright holders of the material. The commentaries are reprinted here with written permission from the authors. All rights reserved. The third edition, revised and expanded, of 100 Prophecies: Ancient Biblical prophecies that foretold the future is available through Amazon.com.


The Messiah would be preceded by a messenger
Bible prophecy: Isaiah 40:1-5,9
Prophecy written: Between 701-681 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 27 AD

In Isaiah 40:3, the prophet writes about a person in the desert who prepares the way for the Lord. This prophecy foreshadowed the life of John the Baptist, who played an important role in preparing the groundwork for the ministry of Jesus Christ. Jesus was born shortly after John the Baptist about 2000 years ago. The book of Matthew records many events of the life of Jesus and of John the Baptist. In Matthew 3:1-2, it says: "In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the Desert of Judea, and saying, Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near." - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Isaiah 40:1-5,9:

1 Comfort, comfort my people, says your God.

2 Speak tenderly to Jerusalem, and proclaim to her that her hard service has been completed, that her sin has been paid for, that she has received from the LORD's hand double for all her sins.

3 A voice of one calling: "In the desert prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God.

4 Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, the rugged places a plain.

5 And the glory of the LORD will be revealed, and all mankind together will see it. For the mouth of the LORD has spoken."

9 . . . say to the towns of Judah, "Here is your God!"


He would perform miracles
Bible prophecy: Isaiah 35:4-6
Prophecy written: Between 701-681 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 27-31 AD

Isaiah, who lived about 2700 years ago, prophesied that there would come a time when God would arrive and heal the eyes of the blind, the ears of the deaf, the mobility of the lame, and the voice of the mute.

Jesus did each of these things in a spiritual sense, in offering truth and salvation, and in a literal sense by performing miracles of healing.

The web site at About-Jesus.org provides details about 34 miracles performed by Jesus. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Isaiah 35:4-6:

4 say to those with fearful hearts, "Be strong, do not fear; your God will come, he will come with vengeance; with divine retribution he will come to save you."

5 Then will the eyes of the blind be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped.

6 Then will the lame leap like a deer, and the mute tongue shout for joy. Water will gush forth in the wilderness and streams in the desert.


God promised another prophet like Moses
Bible prophecy: Deuteronomy 18:15-18
Prophecy written: As early as 1400 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 5 BC to 31 AD

In Deuteronomy 18:15-18, Moses told the Jews that God would raise up another prophet like Moses. After Moses, there was a succession of prophets, including Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel, and finally Jesus Christ. Jesus was very much like Moses. Both were delivered from death as infants. Both were prophets. Both performed miracles. Both were leaders. And both were intermediaries between God and man. Moses offered to die, if necessary, if God would forgive the sins of the people that Moses was leading (see Exodus 32:30-33). Jesus did die for our sins, so that people could enter the Kingdom of Heaven. No other prophet is as much like Moses than Jesus. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Deuteronomy 18:15-18:

15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him.

16 For this is what you asked of the LORD your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, "Let us not hear the voice of the LORD our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die."

17 The LORD said to me: "What they say is good.

18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.


The Messiah would enter Jerusalem while riding on a donkey
Bible prophecy: Zechariah 9:9
Prophecy written: Between 520 and 518 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 31 AD

In Zechariah 9:9, the prophet speaks of a future king presenting himself to Jerusalem while riding on a humble donkey. This foreshadowed something that happened about 500 years later. As explained in Luke 19:35-37, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey and presented himself as the Messiah, the King.
Alfred Edersheim, a Christian Jew who lived during the 1800s, studied ancient Rabbinical writings, and said that Zechariah 9:9 was often interpreted as being about a Messiah. In his book, The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah, Edersheim wrote: "The Messianic application of this verse in all its parts has already been repeatedly indicated. We may here add that there are many traditions about this donkey on which the Messiah is to ride; and so firm was the belief in it, that, according to the Talmud, 'if anyone saw a donkey in his dreams, he will see salvation' (Ber 56 b)."

The name "Jesus," means "salvation" in Hebrew. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Zechariah 9:9:

Rejoice greatly, O Daughter of Zion! Shout, Daughter of Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and having salvation, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.


Jesus proclaims that he is the Messiah
Bible prophecy: John 4:19-26
Prophecy written: During the first century
Prophecy fulfilled: Since the time of Jesus

In Matthew 5:17, John 4:25-26, and in other verses, Jesus proclaims that he was the Messiah promised by the Old Testament prophets. Jesus remains the first and only person in history to be taken seriously by people throughout the world as being the Messiah that so many of the Bible's prophets had prophesied about. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

John 4:19-26:

19 "Sir," the woman said, "I can see that you are a prophet.

20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem."

21 Jesus declared, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.

22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.

23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

25 The woman said, "I know that Messiah" (called Christ) "is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us."

26 Then Jesus declared, "I who speak to you am he."


There would be a son called God
Bible prophecy: Isaiah 9:6-7
Prophecy written: Between 701-681 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 5 BC

In Isaiah 9:6-7, which was written about 700 years before the time of Jesus, the prophet Isaiah speaks of a son who would be called "Mighty God" and "Eternal Father." Isaiah also indicates that this son would reign on the throne of King David and that this reign would be everlasting. King David is the great, God-obeying king who reigned from about 1050 BC to about 1010 BC. God had promised King David that the reign from David's throne would be everlasting. Christians acknowledge that this promise is fulfilled in Jesus Christ, who is a descendant of King David, and whose reign is everlasting. Today, the teachings of Jesus govern the lives of as many as an estimated 2 billion Christians worldwide. The New Testament also says that Jesus will return in the future and that his kingdom will have no end. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Isaiah 9:6-7:

6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.


The Messiah would be rejected
Bible prophecy: Isaiah 53:1-3
Prophecy written: Between 701-681 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 31 AD

In Isaiah 52:13-53:12, the prophet foreshadowed the life and mission of Jesus, who was born about 700 years later. In Isaiah 53:3, the prophet said that a servant of God would be rejected and despised. Jesus was indeed rejected by many people living in the land of Israel, and He was later crucified by the Romans.

It has been claimed by some commentators that Isaiah 52:13-53:12 actually refers to Israel as a nation and not to an individual Messiah. But, there are several commentaries written by rabbis that confirm that the prophecy refers to a Messiah and not to a nation. Several examples of these writings are listed in the book, The Fifty-Third Chapter of Isaiah According to the Jewish Interpreters, edited by S.R. Driver and A.D. Neubauer. Here are two examples from that book:

"Our Rabbis with one voice accept and affirm the opinion that the prophet is speaking of the King Messiah, and we shall ourselves also adhere to the same view." - Rabbi Moshe Alshekh, 16th century.

"But he was wounded for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities, the meaning of which is that since the Messiah bears our iniquities which produce the effect of his being bruised, it follows that whoso will not admit that the Messiah thus suffers for our iniquities, must endure and suffer for them himself." - Rabbi Eliyyah de Vidas, who wrote during the 16th century. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Isaiah 53:1-3:

1 Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?

2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

3 He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not.


Daniel predicted when an anointed one would be rejected
Bible prophecy: Daniel 9:24-26
Prophecy written: About 530 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 31 AD

The prophet Daniel was Jewish exile who lived during the time of the Babylonian Captivity, about 500 years before the birth of Jesus. During Daniel's lifetime, the Babylonians had destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple and had taken many Jews as captives to Babylon. Daniel, while in Babylon, delivered a prophecy of what would happen during the centuries that followed. Here is our summary of Daniel 9:24-26:

1. There would be a decree to rebuild Jerusalem.
2. Jerusalem and the Temple would be rebuilt.
3. Then an anointed one (Messiah) would be "cut off" (an idiom for "rejected" or "killed").
4. Then Jerusalem and the Temple would be destroyed again.

All of these events later happened, in the same order in which they are described in Daniel 9:24-26:

1. After the Medo-Persians had conquered the neo-Babylonian empire about 2500 years ago, they ruled a vast empire that included the land of Israel. About 2400 years ago (about 445 BC), Persian king Artaxerxes gave permission to the Jews to rebuild Jerusalem, which was still in ruins after having been destroyed earlier by the Babylonians.
2. The Jews rebuilt the Temple and the city of Jerusalem.
3. Then, about 2000 years ago, Jesus entered Jerusalem as the Messiah who had been promised by Old Testament prophets. But, many people rejected Jesus as the Messiah and he was crucified by the Romans.
4. About 40 years after Jesus was crucified, the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple. (The Temple has not been rebuilt since then). - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Daniel 9:24-26:

24 "Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.

25 "Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.

26 After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.

Notes: The commentaries above are from the second edition of the book, 100 Prophecies. Copyright © George Konig and Ray Konig. All rights reserved. The third edition, which has been greatly expanded and revised, is now available for sale. Please click here if you wish to learn more about the third edition of the 100 Prophecies book.


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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

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Hi Bob,

I pray this helps you to get answers in the bible regarding your question about setting dates based on bible scripture.


God Bless

Again this is NOT exhaustive but I pray that the information help's you in your walk with the LORD.

Steven

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Hi Steve, thanks for you comments and concerns as to my position on predicting a SPECIFIC DATE of the RAPTURE, I am very familiar with Luke 21:36 and many other passages that we are to be watching,alert and sober, but I cannot find any scripture that tells me to try and predict a SPECIFIC date, sure we will be given clues and we might even get close, but as for predicting the exact date, I am not convinced.

I really enjoy watching and keeping up with Bible Prophecy as you well know, I just think that when we stand in front of Jesus he would be better pleased if we spent more of our time winning souls for the Kingdom, then spending most of our time trying to predict a ACTUAL RAPTURE DATE, I am not knocking anybody's position or motives, just presenting my opinion, and I most assuredly do not have all the answers that's for sure, and I am but a man, flesh and blood, and I will make mistakes, and I will also be the first one to admit my mistakes, learn from them and move forward.
I have learned to be content with knowing that the Lord will execute the Rapture in His timing, and if I am to know the exact date the Holy spirit will let me know on a need to know basis ( that would be wonderful ).

I truly admire your Zeal for the Lord and the Rapture, and the effort you put into your search. THANK YOU

AGAPE, Bob

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Hi Bob,

That is why I suggested YOU pray for the HOLY SPIRIT to teach and LEAD YOU in this matter.

I can not convince you nor should I.

I can only suggest to you information to read. like the posts above.

Did you read them in their entirety?

Also you might want to do a study on 'signs' and let us know what you find ?

Genesis 1:14

Gen 1:14

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
KJV


53 Matches for SIGNS IN THE KJV bible.

Gen 1:14
Ex 4:9
Ex 4:17
Ex 4:28
Ex 4:30
Ex 7:3
Ex 10:1
Ex 10:2
Num 14:11
Deut 4:34
Deut 6:22
Deut 7:19
Deut 26:8
Deut 29:3
Deut 34:11
Josh 24:17
1 Sam 10:7
1 Sam 10:9
Neh 9:10
Ps 74:4
Ps 74:9
Ps 78:43
Ps 105:27
Isa 8:18
Jer 10:2
Jer 32:20
Jer 32:21
Dan 4:2
Dan 4:3
Dan 6:27
Matt 16:3
Matt 24:24
Mark 13:22
Mark 16:17
Mark 16:20
Luke 1:62
Luke 21:11
Luke 21:25
John 4:48
John 20:30
Acts 2:19
Acts 2:22
Acts 2:43
Acts 4:30
Acts 5:12
Acts 7:36
Acts 8:13
Acts 14:3
Rom 15:19
2 Cor 12:12
2 Cor 12:12
2 Thess 2:9
Heb 2:4


Matt 16:3

3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
KJV


Matt 24:24

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
KJV


Luke 21:11

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
KJV

Re: DATE SETTING, RAPTURE AND OR OTHER DATES, GOOD OR BAD ?

Hi Steven, you seem to be missing my point,I DONT SEE ANYWHERE IN SCRIPTURE THAT TELLS ME TO SPECIFICALLY TRY TO PREDICT THE EXACT DATE OF THE RAPTURE.

That was my point, WATCHING IS NOT THE SAME AS PREDICTING A SPECIFIC DATE by any means.

I can see that this is a touchy subject for you, and I hope I have not offended you in any way, if you think I am wrong, please tell me your thoughts as I have always valued your opinion.

I hope Arlene will give me her thoughts ( and correction if needed ) on this,as well as others who post here.



AGAPE, Bob

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Hi Steve, I was surfing the big G looking for other thoughts and articles on date setting, 1st) I thought it was very cool that our conversation was at the TOP of the big G page, how awesome is that, God is giving your site exposure.

Here is one of the many, many articles I found about why date setting can be harmful.

This is from Rapture Ready.
http://www.raptureready.com/faq/faq65.html

What is wrong with date-setting?

After twenty-plus years Rapture Ready has heard of or received one hundred different formulations each year for the timing of the Rapture or Second Coming. Having already witnessed around 2,000 predictions come to nothing doesn't leave any great hope for new ones that come along. Any person's chances of being right are, at best, one in 2,000.

The Word of God makes it very clear that we will not know the timing of the Rapture. Matthew 24:44 states, "For this reason you be ready too; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will."

Because date setting can cause emotional harm to some people, Rapture Ready does not allow date setting on the message board. A couple of years back, one participant threatened to kill himself after he thought he'd missed the Rapture.


AGAPE, Bob




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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
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Re: Setting Dates.....

Well, Bob, you wanted my opinion on this one....

I have a fairly good understanding of what is told to us in the Bible. However, I have NEVER seen a verse that "forbids us to set dates"....but I have heard this thousands of times, over the years, spouted from the lips of apostate "Pastors" from the pulpits in today's "churches"....which are also TOTALLY not biblically based.

Why on earth would God tell us to "WATCH" so many times if He DID NOT want us to be on the lookout for His return?? If our mother told us that our "Daddy" was coming home soon and we were to "watch" for him....I would be on constant alert for ANY AND ALL CLUES which would indicate his arrival was near.

Would I "set dates"??? ABSOLUTELY!! If they came and went, then I would brush that one off and get on to other clues....until he came home. I would not stop no matter how foolish I appeared to others. If I LOVED HIM, THIS WOULD BE EXPECTED OF ME. It shows how much I care!!

Besides, what better way to spread gospel knowledge to others. When they sense your anticipation and excitement each time a date is predicted, they will start to "watch" (though silently) for themselves. It causes them to at least CONSIDER that God is real...and the possibility of His soon return. They may laugh it off, but they are still thinking about it....and this happened to me BEFORE I received my gift of salvation, and it actually might have caused me to want to learn more about the Bible in the first place. Granted, it was an "escapist mentality"....but it was God who drew me in that way....CURIOSITY!

And it also seems quite odd to me that all these phoney pastors who shout and regurgitate about "SETTING DATES IS FORBIDDEN IN THE BIBLE" (point to chapter and verse on this, please)....are the FIRST ONES to worship the apostate JEWS. And they are the FIRST ONES to spout out that JESUS WAS A JEW. And that is total BLASPHEMY!! I noticed one of the films in this series of postings had "our Jewish Messiah" on the subtitle. I know Steven posted that one even though he realizes that Jesus was NOT a "JEW", but the video contains good information in spite of the sub-title.

We have to exercise DISCERNMENT in all things!! If it's in the Bible, keep it! If it isn't THROW IT OUT!!

There is NOTHING in the Bible about "date setting is forbidden". But you might keep in mind that saying it's there is ADDING TO SCRIPTURE. (See the warning in Rev. 22:18-19) Somehow it seems coincidental that the SAME PEOPLE who condemn "date setting" also call Jesus a "Jew"!! And this is positively EQUATING Jesus Christ to the Pharisees, whom He called "whited sepulchres which are unclean on the inside", "blind guides", "fools" and "hypocrites.... See Matthew 23:27-34. Here's a GOOD ONE for those who tell us that "date setting is forbidden in the Bible....

"And why beholdest thou the MOTE that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the BEAM that is in thine own eye?...Mt. 7:3

I do not get angry or argumentative with "date-setters", as I AM ONE myself because I can think of little else than the Bible and the return of our Lord; but I get extremely angry at anyone who calls my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, a "JEW".

I respect your enthusiasm, but, as I can see from the arguments in the above posts that there is too much UNNECESSARY information. The argument is, "Is date-setting scriptural"? Point out the Scripture...chapter and verse. IF you can't do this, why argue about it in the first place?

We are told to "watch". If we don't know WHAT we are watching for, then why do it? And if we KNOW that we are watching for the return of Jesus Christ, then I can't think of ANYTHING more appropriate than watching for, and putting together DATES that this could occur.

With Christian love...

Arlene

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Hi Arlene, thanks very much for you opinion on this matter, I am well aware and I am watching, and will continue to watch as we are commanded, I guess time will tell if the exact date of the rapture can be predicated. So far, all predictions have come and gone.

AGAPE,Bob

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Re: Bob's post to me...

I totally understand the dichotomy of watching for something that may, or may not happen. But, that's just about the PERFECT definition of "FAITH"...

"Now FAITH is the substance of things HOPED FOR, the evidence of things NOT SEEN. (vs.2) For by it (FAITH) the elders obtained a GOOD REPORT"....Hebrews 11:1-2

Watching for the events around the return of Jesus Christ is a SIGN OF FAITH! You are "hoping for" UNSEEN things! And that takes COURAGE to do in spite of all those who criticize us for doing just that....watching, waiting, hoping, setting dates....it's all in FAITH that it will happen!

God knows our hearts...and that's the only opinion that counts. I've been watching, waiting, and looking at ALL the set dates since the 1980s....and each year brings us closer. So far, all has been in vain....but there's always "next year" and another HOPE....

And that gives me great joy!!

Arlene

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Greetings Bob,
I want to respond here to your post on date setting. First I would like to point out a common mistake made by young Christians and/or Christians who have just not spent a decade or two in studying this subject. You're interchanging two subjects as one ( like calling the 2nd Coming and the Rapture the same event ) Watching and or date setting is NOT PREDICTING!!! Predicting is a "Thus sayeth The Lord" and I don't know of any predictions for the rapture. I'm what Johnny Baptist calls a date re-setter. You give 8 reasons why we should never set a date and the only good thing about those reasons which are full of poison ( each statement is meant to sound like a fact yet every one has an if, or may, or when, or tends to be, or can do....this is very deceptive and my Father is Truth) is I need to write an article called " ___ reasons why we are supposed to set dates according to Scripture". I try to be as Christ like as I can and Jesus is the biggest date setter of all time. I'm not going to go into ALL the scriptures that tell this Truth if we have eyes to see and ears to hear. Then in your third post on this thread you totally take out of context Matt 24:44 "Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh." This is telling us to pay attention to the verse preceding it so we can be the Goodman of the house and be ready. Now as for those few very weak Christians and human beings who fall apart after a date passes or even attempts suicide.... there are far deeper problems going on here and this date setting is not the reason, only their excuse. Date setting draws the Body of Christ closer to Him. "Heb_10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." How can you see the day approaching if you don't know what day it is? I personally will keep looking for that day. A side note:
I don't know how long you've been serving The Lord so if it's been over 25 years you'll remember this. An engineer from NASA put out a booklet called 88 reasons why the Rapture is in 1988 (Sept. 9-11 Rosh Hashana to be exact) I read this book in a Hotel room in Chicago on Sept. 6th 1988 not knowing the whole Christian world was abuzz, he ( Ed Wieznant ) had been on tbn, 700 club, and multiple other tv and radio stations for over a year and the excitement was at a frenzy level. I of coarse being a very successful business man had no idea, but that little book found its way to my briefcase and it was full of Scripture and like an onion it started peeling away the hardness of my heart to the point that I found myself literally talking to God Almighty. We spoke for what seemed like hours and He was so gentle with me as I arrogantly told Him why I couldn't or wouldn't serve Him. He then talked to me on a level I understood...business... and even though I didn't believe He was coming back that week, I knew He was coming back someday and it was soon and if I was found the way I was then I would be spiritually bankrupt and miss the Rapture. I knew this to be the Truth. I then started making a covenant with Him about private things, but the last thing I asked for was that My wife would serve Him too. He immediately said OK and that was it. I was saved, but didn't really know it till morning when I said a curse word and I felt the Holy Spirit jump in my body. You have to understand I was making 300k and that was about to double and if I was going to serve Jesus I would have to walk away from that because the very nature of that business was based on deception. ( what to do hmmmm $10,000.00 per week or serve Jesus and end up on welfare for the next 2 years) I chose wisely thank the Lord. To wrap this up I drove home from Chicago early the next day and when I got home I sat quietly on the coach with my wife who finally said " Something happened today Chuck, Out of nowhere I just got in the car and drove to the preachers house and told him I was tired of all the lies in my life and I wanted to get saved" and there it was the Creator of the Universe kept His side of our covenant, did I really have a choice lol. Twenty five people I personally knew got saved that month (16 that weekend) and they have touched the lives of many more in the last 25 years. I called Ed W who wrote the book to try and encouragement after his failed date and he sent me letters he received and over 100,000 that he knows about got saved (I was one) and how many lives did they touch? Oh yes Bob I believe in date setting and I'm going to Heaven because of it.
Agape
Charles

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Hi Charles, that's a great testimony, and I really appreciate your comments, I will ponder all in my heart.

AGAPE,Bob