I've seen a lot of misinformation concerning who Israel is, and I want it cleared up! God wrestled with Jacob in a place called Peniel in Genesis 32, and Jacob wouldn't let go until God would bless him. God then renamed Jacob as Israel. Here below is the Strongs definition for Israel:

Outline of Biblical Usage:
Israel = "God prevails"
1) the second name for Jacob given to him by God after his wrestling with the angel at Peniel
2) the name of the descendants and the nation of the descendants of Jacob
a) the name of the nation until the death of Solomon and the split
b) the name used and given to the northern kingdom consisting of the 10 tribes under Jeroboam; the southern kingdom was known as Judah
c) the name of the nation after the return from exile

It's pretty clear that Jacob and his descendants are the ones referred to as Israel! Stop with the lies about those of us who are Gentile believers in Jesus Christ being known as Israel. It's a fact that God will deal with Israel once again during the tribulation period, and a remnant of them will finally believe on Jesus Christ as their savior and Messiah! There will be a real millennial reign of Jesus Christ over that remnant of Israel when he returns as King of Kings and Lord of Lords! All glory and honor to Jesus Christ!

Kevin

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Look at this video below. Israel ceased to exist from AD 70 to 1948, almost 1900 years the Jews were scattered among the nations. God brought them back into their land starting in 1917 with the Balfour Agreement. Finally, after the holocaust in Nazi Germany, more and more Jews returned to their land. On May 14th, 1948 Israel once again became a nation. Read Ezekiel 36 and 37, and tell me whether those prophecies were fulfilled! God brought them into the land, and turned a desert wasteland into a lush and growing oasis in the Middle East. This indeed was a miracle from Almighty God! Watch the following video!

Kevin

http://youtu.be/7d_SSNXabBI

Hi Kevin....you do have the wrong definition of "Israel". "Israel" are the people of God...always have been, and always will be.

Israel (Jacob) was chosen to start a "family" called "Israel" to be "examples for us" (from the OT) as to people who obeyed, and disobeyed, God. ANYBODY could become a member of the "Israel" family AS LONG AS THEY WERE CIRCUMCISED (in the OT). To become "Israel" in the NT we also have to be "circumcised", but SPIRITUALLY.

What happened to them can happen to us if we are disobedient (God's judgments as curses), or obedient (God's rewards as blessings). They are EXAMPLES to the world...everyone, everywhere. Read John 3:16....that is not just for the Jews, whom you call "Israel". Israel, in the flesh (Jews) are not God's people. God's people are BELIEVERS.

I Corinthians 10:11..."Now all these thing happened unto them (Israel of OT) for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. (Christians, or "The Israel of God...Galatians 6:16)

IF the Jewish people convert, and they become believers, BEFORE the return of Jesus Christ, they will be saved (become "spiritual Israel") during this age. If they do not, they will receive judgment just like the rest of the unsaved in this age.


Pieces I copied for clarification:


But -- the return of the Jews to Palestine is so miraculous! The very existence of the Jews is miraculous!

I've heard some say that the very existence of the Jews, with their language and culture, preserved even during the Diaspora, is proof that they are God's "Chosen People."

But by this test, the Rom (the "Gypsies") are just as miraculous. From Russia to the United States to Spain to Canada to Mexico to India to Australia, and throughout the centuries marked by expulsions, persecutions, and Nazi concentration camps, the Rom have spoken the same language, kept their own court systems, and preserved their ancient, complex customs (which are, by the way, quite similar to that of the Jews in many ways, even down to their purity laws and concept of "marim�.") Even now, in the America of 2005, many Rom parents arrange their daughters' marriages, complete with bride prices - right in big places like New York City or Los Angeles.


As for "Lord Balfour" contributing to this serious error of interpretation, he was a "tried and true" member of the Zionist's Illuminiati who are working for another "Tower of Babel" situation (the New World Order) which, again, WILL BE DESTROYED BY GOD.


http://truthspeaker.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/lord-balfour-zionism-and-the-illuminati/


And, in conclusion, I am not against the Jews, as there are some Jews that are horrified at what the Zionists are doing. And I am not "anti-semetic" due to believing what the Bible says.

Piece I copied: (to show that it's not just me who has this opinion)


If it's "anti-semitic" to say that God Almighty, the Creator of Heaven and Earth and of all that is visible and invisible, isn't concerned with ethnic groups and doesn't condone genocide, the stealing of lands from the innocent, and re-instituting animal sacrifices after His Son gave us the ultimate Sacrifice, then so be it. ALL are welcome to the Father through the Son -- "red and yellow, black and white" as the song goes, Hebrews or Italians, Arabs or Koreans, Africans or Native Americans. GOD LOVES US ALL. Amen.


Arlene

Kevin....Most of the dis-information on Israel comes form the cult of Herbert W. Armstrong who taught British Israelism and David J. Smith who was a follower of Armstrong and "The World Tommorrow" broadcasts back in the sixties and seventies. Google these two individuas and you wil learn a lot of information on them.

God is not the author of confusion and confusion seems to be reigning on this topic. Never mind that the great tribulation is the time of "Jacob's trouble".......

The Jews are a hated race. But they are God's chosen people and that makes them a target.

My goodness, Rudylee, you really haven't done your "homework", have you?

It is correct that most of the world "hates" the Jews. But it is NOT because of jealousy that the Jews are "God's chosen people". They are hated because of what they have done throughout history in the world.

If you REALLY want to advise someone to look up information on others, it is poor advise to have them read opinions of men who have not lived through situations involving the Jews.

Here is a link which tells, THROUGHOUT HISTORY, what the "Jews" have done to earn the title of one of the most hated "races" in history:


http://www.stormfront.org/jewish/antisemite.html


Small piece from the much longer article:


WORLD FAMOUS MEN of the past accused the Jews of founding Communism. This charge is well founded. The Communist philosopy was drawn up by Karl Marx who descended from a long line of Rabbis. His ideology of anti-Christian and Socialist thought is outlined in the Jewish "TALMUD" which is the "bible" of the Jews. Of the four political groups which overthrew the Christan Czar of Russia two were 100% Jewish. They were the Mensheviks and The Jewish Bund. The other two were the Socialist Revolutionary Party and the Bolsheviks. Both were headed by Jews but had some Gentile members. Today we now know that Lenin was Jewish and all of the leaders of his first government were Jews. They were Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev and Sverdlow. The wealthiest Jewish banker in the world at that time, Jacob Schiff of Kuhn, Loeb investment bank of New York City, gave Trotsky and Lenin $20 million to overthrow the Czar and establish the Soviet tyranny (according to the "NEW YORK JOURNAL-AMERICAN" of February 3, 1949.)

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Granted, there are peaceful, Torah-believing, Jewish people in the world today, but they are a MINORITY. They despise, also, what the Zionist Jews are doing and are trying to fight against it...without much success.

Accusing someone who believes other than what you do is NOT a very "Christian" thing to do. Remember what Jesus said in Matthew 7:3...And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest NOT the BEAM THAT IS IN THINE OWN EYE?"

It's the equivalent of the secular saying, "Isn't that like the POT calling the KETTLE "black"?

Arlene

RudyLee,
I completely agree with you brother. I have a good knowledge about Armstrong and Smith, and the British Israelism. Arlene seems to favor people like Adolph Hitler and Saddam Hussein, who wanted to completely exterminate the Jews. The Jews have definitely been the most hated people of the world. Why is that? Arlene, don't give me more examples of those in the illuminati, who are actually worshippers of Lucifer rather than God. The Jews have been the whipping boy of the world, and that is undeniable. As RudyLee said, why is the tribulation period called the "time of Jacob's trouble"? I realize that the Jews have a temporary spiritual blindness right now as we read in Romans 11, but God will open their eyes spiritually during the tribulation period and save a remnant of them. That is the truth, and it's hard for me to understand why Arlene doesn't get it!

Kevin

Kevin...you understand nothing because you refuse to open your eyes to those who are trying to tell you something.

Was Martin Luther part of the Illuminati? Know what he spoke of the Jews?


MARTIN LUTHER, Table Talk of Martin Luther, translated by William Hazlet, page 43

"But the Jews are so hardened that they listen to nothing; though overcome by testimonies they yield not an inch. It is a pernicious race, oppressing all men by their usury and rapine. If they give a prince or magistrate a thousand florins, they extort twenty thousand from the subjects in payment. We must ever keep on guard against them."

You agreed with Rudylee. Do two wrongs make a right? I think not! And as for "the tribulation period being called the "time of Jacob's trouble"...I sure would like scripture and verse that says that. Point it out, if you can!!! Jeremiah 30 says nothing about a "tribulation period", but then, I study the KJV and don't bother with Scofield footnotes as my "Bible" either.

Steven always tells me to try to speak with gentleness when at all possible. Maybe he should have a talk with you as well. Saying that I "seem to favor people like Adolph Hitler and Saddam Hussein" is a very ugly remark that is a lie and a slander to me.

Go with God...I will leave judgment to Him alone.

Arlene

Arlene....were you aware that the man, Martin Luther, you quoted said the fllowing:


Perhaps none of Martin Luther's writings on the Bible are as harsh as what he wrote about "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" (Revelation 1:1). Specifically he wrote,

About this book of the Revelation of John...I miss more than one thing in this book, and it makes me consider it to be neither apostolic nor prophetic…I can in no way detect that the Holy Spirit produced it. Moreover he seems to me to be going much too far when he commends his own book so highly-indeed, more than any of the other sacred books do, though they are much more important-and threatens that if anyone takes away anything from it, God will take away from him, etc. Again, they are supposed to be blessed who keep what is written in this book; and yet no one knows what that is, to say nothing of keeping it. This is just the same as if we did not have the book at all. And there are many far better books available for us to keep…My spirit cannot accommodate itself to this book. For me this is reason enough not to think highly of it: Christ is neither taught nor known in it" (Luther, M. Preface to the Revelation of St. John, 1522).

Another reason Martin Luther may not have been able to accommodate this Revelation of Jesus Christ is because he clearly violated this warning,

For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book (Revelation 22:18-19).

Martin Luther took away from this book through his comments about it, and this is the same Martin Luther who (as shown previously in this article) added words to the Bible that were not there.
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Revelation promises a blessing to all who read it, yet Martin Luther doubted that it was even prophetic or produced by the Holy Spirit. Was Martin Luther smarter than God? Should we adhere to any teachings from a man who makes statements like this? There were also other book of the Bible that Martin Luther had "problems with".

Well, Rudylee, you are a "nitpicker", aren't you??

Then, forget Martin Luther....and how about George Washington and Benjamin Franklin???? Do their opinions of how nasty the Jews have been through history count??

See these opinions: (and I have "scads" which are very similar)


WASHINGTON, GEORGE, in Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton & Co.

"They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America."



This prophecy, by Benjamin Franklin, was made in a "CHIT CHAT AROUND THE TABLE DURING INTERMISSION," at the Philadelphia Constitutional Convention of 1787. This statement was recorded in the dairy of Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, a delegate from South Carolina.

"I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews.
In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded, by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within the state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.
For over 1,700 years, the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. But gentlemen, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race.
If you do not exclude them from these United States, in their Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives our substance and jeopardized our liberty.
If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves.
Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics, let them be born where they will nor how many generations they are away from Asia, they will never be otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American's, and will not even thou they live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots. Jews are Asiatics, are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, and should be excluded by this Constitutional Convention.

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And if statements by Washington and Franklin aren't good enough for you....how about Winston Churchill (I have one by him, too),

And if you keep kicking my examples in the "derriere", I'll just fling more out at you!!

Why don't you learn what I'm trying to tell you....and many, many others have said the same thing all through history!! The Jews have been hated because they have been nasty to populations WHEREVER THEY HAVE LIVED!! They have a reputation that continues through today.

Perhaps, maybe.... if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, has feathers...and "quacks"....MAYBE IT'S A DUCK!!

BTW...Can you and Kevin count to 20 if your shoes are on??

Arlene

You ramble too much Arlene. My post was about Martin Luther, not George Washington, Thomas Jefferson or whoever.

I notice you quote a lot of Revlation in your posts, yet you pound us with information from a man, Martin Luther, to try and prove some of your your points, and this man did not even accept the book of the Revelation, and even had problems with other books of the Bible.

It's alright Arlene. You have a right to be wrong about the Jews. Just stop trying to convince born again believers in Jesus Christ to be Jew haters. RudyLee and I are rightly dividing the word of truth, and your views are definitely not biblical.

Kevin