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DANIEL’S TIMELINE REPORT



This report is based on a 2-hour in person presentation that has been given on a limited bases since 2001 by the host of DanielsTimeline.com



The time of our Lord’s return is a debated topic that has continued for centuries. We have all heard the date-setters give one inaccurate prediction after another, and even a couple of "thus saith the LORD" thrown in here and there.



The Christian Community has taken themselves completely out of the loop with the following mis-quote: “no man knoweth the day or the hour of the Lord’s return, not even the angels in heaven.” However, what the Lord really says in Matthew 24:35-36, is that heaven and earth will pass away but of that day and hour knoweth no man nor the angels. This is after the Lord’s return and after His thousand-year reign. So, are we supposed to know or not?



ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHEN?



There is a multitude of verses concerning the Lord’s return and even an admonishment from Him saying, “Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that you do not discern this time?” That one verse should be proof enough that we should know, but He is not just going to plainly spell it out lest the wicked should understand.



We also know there are NO idle words in the Word of God. If therefore, it is not meant for us to understand or know the time of His coming, would not’t all the verses with clues pertaining to the time of His return be counted as idle words?



Here are only a few of many verses telling us that God will teach us all things; He will show us things that are to come which includes the return of His Son; And God says and He will show His servants things that must shortly be done. In Daniel, We are given a definite sequence of years that can now be understood. Just being able to understand things that have been a mystery for centuries should be a huge clue to us that time is short and approaching when all things will be finished.



John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.



Revelation 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings [are] faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to show unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.



Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret [things belong] unto the LORD our God: but those [things which are] revealed [belong] unto us and to our children for ever, that [we] may do all the words of this law.



John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.



Thessalonians-1 5:4-5 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.



THE SOUGHT AFTER 70TH WEEK



Now, turning our attention to Daniel, the angel sent to him told Daniel to understand, so lets see what we can understand beginning in Daniel 9:23:



Daniel 9:23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to show [thee]; for thou [art] greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.



The simplicity is astonishing. We are going to read it just like it literally is presented, and apply it to a graph. Beginning with Daniel 9:24 we will plot each verse individually. Daniel is now told that 70 weeks are given to make an end of sin and to anoint the most Holy. With both accomplished, (1) no sin and (2) the Most Holy anointed, it can only mean one thing; from some type of a starting point there is a 70 week period until God’s rest starts:



Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.







The above verse (v.24) may be one of the most sought after verses to understand in the scriptures. Men have tried to apply this in all kind of ways hoping that it would reveal its secret. Maybe it just wasn't in God’s timing for it to be understood before now, because the literal understanding of what it really describes is very plain. The word weeks was translated from the Hebrew word Shabuwa meaning a period of Seven and also Feast of Weeks, one of the seven Feasts of the Lord:







SHABUWA (shaw-boo'-ah); Noun Masculine, Strong #: 7620: seven, period of seven (days or years), heptad, week; Feast of Weeks (Shavuot)



In the original Hebrew, Shabuwa is in plural form; meaning FeastS of Weeks rather than only one Feast of Weeks. This verse reads: “Seventy Shabuwas or Shavuots are determined.” Shavuot is one of the feasts call “The Feast of Weeks” ( known as Pentecost in the Christian churches). There is only one “Feast of Weeks” per year. To extend the clarity to the fullness of the verse, it literally reads, “Seventy Feasts of Weeks” (or 70 Yrs) are determined from some starting point unto God’s Rest.







Now that we have verse 24 plotted correctly, we simply continue to the next verses in the Daniel sequence and plot all of them all to understand.



In verse 25 we are told that from the going forth of a commandment to restore will be seven week, threescore and two (69 Yrs) unto the Messiah. Now God has now revealed the starting point is a commandment to restore Jerusalem. From the time this commandment is given to restore until the Messiah’s return will be a total of 69 years:



Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.







Next, in verse 26, Daniel is told from this same starting point (commandment to restore) the years will come and go until 3 score and 2 weeks have passed (62 yrs). Sometime after this 62yr period has passed, the sanctuary will be destroyed by the prince of the people (the antichrist). Notice the period left from the 62-year marker to the 69-year marker just happens to leave a remaining 7-year period:



Daniel 9:26 And AFTER threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.









This means the difference between the 62yr prophecy and the 69yr prophecy shows us the beginning of a 7-year period that is known as Daniel’s prophetic week. In the midst of this prophetic week (7 yr period) two major things happen as recorded in verse 27 below; he, the antichrist, will cause the altar to be shut down and the abomination that makes Jerusalem desolate:



Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.











*The Temple DOES NOT have to be completely rebuilt to fulfill Dan 9:27 prophecy. If a corner stone is set, the court can be measured to establish the location of the altar. Then, with the altar up and operating, this prophecy is satisfied. This was the same procedure used to rebuild the Temple in ancient times too. The walls were restored AFTER the altar was operating.



Now that we have the whole Daniel “week” prophecies plotted in a chart form, all that is necessary now is to discern what the starting point is. Yeshua referred to Daniel concerning the latter days. He said when we see the abomination of spoken by Daniel, for those who are in Judea to flee into the mounts, for then shall be great tribulation.



Matthew 24:15-16 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:



Matthew 24:20-21 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.



Yeshua spoke of the fig tree parable and a generation that will not pass. Most everyone on this planet knows the fig tree is Israel. One generation is an average of 70 years not 40 years. The average age of those who were afraid to go to war and take the promise land was about 30yrs old; plus 40 more years for that generation to die in the wilderness equals 70 years.



Matthew 24:32-34 Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel) When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves ye know that summer [is] nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, [even] at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation (ours) shall not pass (70 years), till all these things be fulfilled.



Many times God works and speaks through His creation, prophets, and even enemies to perform His will. One perfect example is when God hardened Pharaoh’s heart that He might judge Egypt. He used Pharaoh that He might perform many miracles when He brought the children of Israel out with a high hand. It is no different today; God still works through any of His creation in which He chooses to perform His will.



As written in Daniel 9:25, the spoken commandment starts the 70yr count. Using the United Nations (no matter whether they are an enemy or not), that verse was fulfilled of God on November 29, 1947 (UN Resolution No. 181) purposing the fig tree nation, Israel, to be restored as a nation again which came to pass in 1948. Now just fill in the years:









Just below is a special morning edition of the Eretz Israel - Palestine daily newspaper dated 11/30/1947 announcing the UN decision (Resolution #181) to establish a Jewish State bringing forth the BIRTH OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL.



This is a very important historical document that bears record to the 100-fold fulfillment of Daniel 9:25, saying from the going forth of the commandment (the spoken word not 194 to restore Jerusalem, unto the Messiah, shall be 7wks 3score and 2wks (69yrs); and also the parable of the fig tree spoken of by our Lord in Mat. 24:32-34 saying this generation will not pass till all be fulfilled.







To illustrate another example, we turn to Ezekiel. He was commanded by God to lie on his side for 390 days (one day for each year pertaining to the exile of Israel). God said He would give Israel 7 times punishment if they refused to obey. This gives a total of 2730 years ( 390 x 7 ). Israel was carried away captive to Assyria in 720 BCE. From 720 BCE, to 2730 years later brings us right back to the year 2010 as shown on the Daniel's Timeline.



Consider the Jubilee years (one Jubilee = 50 yrs). God said in Genesis that He would not strive with man forever because he is yet flesh, saying that man’s days shall be 120 years. (One Jubilee X 120 Jubilees = 6000 years). From Adam ( around 4000BC ) to the present day (2000 AD) also equals 6000 years. God told us in Psalms and in Peter that one day is as 1000-yrs. God creating everything in six days and resting on the seventh day, it is the same as to say, after six-1000 year days ( or 6000yrs ), He will also rest on the 7th-1000 year day ( 1000yrs ), called the Millennium Rest.



The last three Jubilees were: 1867 (The final emancipation of the Jews in Austria and Hungry), 1917 (The 400 yr Ottoman rule ended - Balfour Declaration), and 1967 (The Six Day War - Jerusalem was re-united); It's pretty easy to figure out the next Jubilee year (1967 + 50yrs = 2017). We are at this threshold today, approaching the 120 th Jubilee year (6000 yrs), the time of the restitution of all things.



Acts 3:19-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.



This report is only the tip of the iceberg .



All of the information, the understanding, and the years are freely given. In addition to this, if you would like watch the full 2 hour Daniel's Timeline Presentation, you can watch it in its entirety by clicking on this link: Watch DANIEL'S TIMELINE Presentation - - - on line It will start automatically. It can also be seen on Youtube and Google video (just do a simple word search). All of these are completely free at no cost whatsoever.





There is so much prophetic evidence that it takes 2-hours just to go through it all, from the the jubilees, the date the vision of Rev. 12 occurs over Jerusalem, the real serpent constellation (not Draco), the actual counting of days, finding the Sabbath and the first Passover through the manna instruction week, the fig tree nation, how the Feasts of the LORD confirms and ties all of this together, and much more. Surely no one could have put all of this together except that it must have seemed pleasing in God’s sight to show His people in these latter days.



When God reveals His truth, all the prophecy pieces just fall into place on their own!





Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge..



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Please Read This Attachment Note About "The Rapture"







The following is a life and death issue with two conflicting answers:







This site clearly displays the tribulation years. The pre-tribbers will say, "OK, no problem, I'm gonna be raptured out here before all the trouble starts." The post-tribbers will say, "we have X amount of years left to prepare."





Now, here is the dilemma: Both can't be right. If there is a rapture before tribulation, fine, we'll all get raptured out of here together both the pre-tribbers and the post-tribbers. But, what on earth will we do if the post-tribbers are right and we go throught the Great Tribulation??





We will all know for sure when we see the abomination spoken of by Daniel the prophet stand in the Holy place. If we see it on our T.V. the post tribbers were right.



Remembering the parable of the 10 Virgins (5 were wise and prepared and 5 were foolish who did not prepare), maybe a little personal research should be done rather than just taking for granted what we have been told all these years.



It is a known fact, and anyone can check this out for themselves, there was no such thing heard of as a "secret rapture" before 1830 untill a teenage Scottish girl, named Margaret McDonald, stood up one Sunday in the "Church of Scotland" and told of a dream she had claiming that the Lord would come back, not once but twice: first in secret before the tribulation starts to get all the believers; and then for a second time after tribulation.



This spread like a grass fire with the help of Edward Irving (Minister of the Church of Scotland until he was dismissed in 1832, only to form the Catholic Apostolic Church) and with the help of John Darby (a pioneer of the Plymouth Brethren).





Today the pre-tribulation rapture it is accepted as the absolute undisputed truth in most, if not all, of the Christian Community, who most likely do not even know the truth about its origin. Again, check it out for yourself.





Why on earth would you or anyone else leave the answer to this life and death issue up to someone else's interpretation, what they think, or worse, to some European teenage girl's dream? ( Besides, the scriptures say the dream must occur twice to be established of God. Gen. 41:32 )



Is it better to believe what you are told that somebody heard that somebody else said, not bothering to check it out; or is it better to search it out for ourselves in the "Word of God" and then believe what the "Word of God" says?





Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowlege......









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To read the scripture verses for yourself that are used claiming a pre-trib rapture go to the article called "The Rapture - Pre or Post Tribulation"(Below)
This article covers a multitude of scriptures concerning the what, where, and when.



THE RAPTURE: PRE TRIBULATION OR POST?

Yeshua has already come to this earth once, and He brought salvation with Him. Yes, I confess that Yeshua is the Messiah and my sins were blotted out with His own blood. We all have the same choice; He has the power and the authority. His blood can either blot our sins or our name.

Throughout the centuries those who believe in Yeshua have been looking for His Second Coming and something called the Great Tribulation. Now here is the big question: Will some be raptured out of the Earth to escape the dreaded Tribulation or will everyone go through it, including the saints? A great controversy shadows this debated life and death issue and it comes with two conflicting answers.

Most Christians believe in the “pre-tribulation rapture” as the undisputed truth. Even though slightly different versions co-exist, the majority accepts something like the following: The rapture can occur in any year, on any day, or at any moment. Suddenly, and without warning, Gabriel sounds a trumpet blast, Jesus gathers all the believers (called the Church) who are then caught up out of the earth just before hell breaks loose in the form of a seven-year tribulation. Those who have not accepted Christ, along with the evildoers are doomed to remain on the earth and experience this wrath filled tribulation first hand. At or near it’s conclusion Jesus comes again to defeat the surviving evildoers at a battle called Armageddon. In the pre-trib rapture scenario it can be debated this theory clearly suggests the Messiah returns not once but twice: First at the secret rapture and then again at Armageddon!

Other believers, mostly Messianic, say the scripture teaches the Messiah’s return will be immediately after tribulation at the sound of the Seventh Trumpet Angel of Revelation (The Last Trump) that begins the “Feast of Trumpets” better known as the Day of the Lord.

Everyone has an opinion, but the thing that really matters is what God says. The scripture speaks for itself better than we can. We only need to filter out our previous religious programming so we can clearly what the Word of God really says. Any comment in BLUE is to bring attention to what the Scripture actually says, rather than what we may have been told it says. Below are selections from Moses, Yeshua Himself, John in Revelation, and Paul.


WHAT MOSES WRITES

We begin with Moses as he records in the following verse in the Torah. He is addressing all Israel who has journeyed the last forty years (grafted or not), and a future generation yet to come. Obviously Moses says there will be those living in the latter days that will experience tribulation, but who?


Deuteronomy 4:3 -31 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, [even] in the latter days, (The last generation) if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; ( For the LORD thy God [is] a merciful God; ) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them. (This document obviously pre-dates the so-called “church fathers.” The covenant God swore to remember was with the fathers Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God cannot lie; therefore the church cannot take Israel’s place. )

The next section contains the words of our Lord Himself as He expounds very plainly about this time of trouble. If any one knows the who, what, and when, He does.

WHAT YESHUA SAYS

Yeshua Himself gives the Parable of the Harvest; it is about the end times. As you read the parable and comments, look for clues of the pre-tribulation rapture.

Matthew 13:24-30 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed (children of the kingdom) in his field; ( world, creation ) But while men slept, his enemy ( Satan ) came and sowed tares ( evil seed ) among the wheat ( good seed ), and went his way. But when the blade ( the first fruits from creation, the beginning ) was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. ( Evil seed that was sown after God had planted the good seed. ) So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this ( Satan ). The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them (The tares) up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them (the wheat is NOT to be disturbed). Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them The Word of God says, the evil are gathered FIRST, not one single good seed has been up rooted or gathered AT ANY TIME. The righteous were not gathered until after the tares were cast into the fire; then comes the wheat. ) but gather the wheat into my barn.

There is NOT one hint of good seed being taken at any time until after the evil are taken and cast into the fire! Yeshua puts all the good seed and all the evil seed at the same place and at the same time. No pre-trib rapture was taught here and the righteous (good seed) was not removed. It was the tares that were removed first and burned. Here is the second witness to the Parable of the Harvest.

Matthew 13:41-42 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; (Notice His Kingdom is already here. It takes 3 things to make His kingdom: 1. The King, 2. The King’s Subjects, and 3. The Land. Now, if the angels must gather out of His kingdom only things that offend, it means there MUST be those present who do not offend. ) And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. (This is a second witness to the parable of the Harvest; the subjects were not raptured out of the land; it is the offenders who are gathered and cast into the fire. The righteous were NOT the ones removed.)


Next, in His own words, Yeshua compares His coming as in the days of Noah. Please pay close attention to exactly what Yeshua says here; there are no idle words in the Scriptures of Truth:


Matthew 24:37-41 But as the days of Noe [ were ], (Noah experienced and survived the flood judgment ) so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. ( Rather that being raptured, Noah and his sons prepared a place of safety. ) For as in the days that were before the flood they (the wicked) were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, (The place of safety. ), And KNEW NOT until the flood came, and took them (the wicked) all away; (Notice that Noah was in the ark SEVEN full DAYS before the rain started and the Messiah said “ THEY ” ( the wicked ) “ KNEW NOT ” (understood not) “ UNTIL THE FLOOD CAME ” and took them all away. Yeshua did NOT mention one syllable about any repenting during those seven days; but on the contrary, Yeshua said the wicked had NO Understanding until the flood (judgment) was already upon them. ) so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. ( Yeshua then repeated word for word that His coming is like the days of Noah, returning to a wicked generation who will not understand even up unto the Day of the Lord ( judgment ). Think about it, if the wicked of our generation were to understand or repent, would the nations still gather at Jezreel? No. ) Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. ( This is the major quote used by the pre-tribulation rapture theorists and they’ve got it backward. Who was taken and who was left in Noah’s day? The evil ones / tares were taken. Noah was left! The righteous were the ones who were left! ) Two [women shall be] grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. ( Proverbs 10:30 , says, “the righteous will never be removed.” So who was removed? The evil ones, the tares, Noah dwelt safely in the ark that he and his sons prepared.


We find more selections given by Yeshua that pertain directly to the Great Tribulation and His Second Coming.


Matthew 24: 13-21 But he that shall endure unto the end, ( end of tribulation ) the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. ( Yeshua goes straight from the Gospel preached, to the tribulation, continuing immediately to Yeshua’s introduction of an abomination that occurs. No rapture even mentioned here. ), When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, ( This is the abomination that happens in the midst of the seven years (Daniel Chap.9 ), which triggers the last 42 months called the Great Tribulation. Yeshua says WHEN WE see it; not IF we see it; NO IDLE WORDS.) stand in the holy place (the temple mount), ( whoso readeth, let him understand; ) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day; For THEN shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. ( The Great Tribulation starts HERE in the midst of the 7 years, and again, there has been absolutely NO mention or even a hint of any form of rapture, only fleeing. )


Now we will look at other selections where Yeshua is telling us that His coming is immediately after tribulation. There can only be ONE Second Coming and He has never mentioned returning before tribulation at any time in any verse.


Matthew 24:29 –30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days (The days of Tribulation are now OVER, every word following this point is unmistakably POST-TRIB.) shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then ( after tribulation ) shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then (after tribulation) shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (There can only be ONE SECOND COMING. Yeshua says it Himself: after tribulation)


Mark 13:11- 23 But when they shall lead [you], and deliver you up ( in tribulation ), take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. ( It is written that Holy men of old spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. If the Holy Ghost speaks through someone, they are certainly one of Yeshua’s. Why wasn’t he raptured? Answer: NO pre-trib rapture.) Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against [their] parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake Here is someone who is on the earth during tribulation that is hated because of his relationship with the Messiah. Why wasn’t he raptured? Answer: NO pre-trib rapture ) but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. ( The end of tribulation ) But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not (This same person who is hated for his relationship with the Messiah sees the abomination in the midst of the Seven Year Tribulation. Why wasn’t he raptured? Answer: NO pre-trib rapture.) (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter [ therein ], to take any thing out of his house: And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. (If you are fleeing you are still here) For [in] those days shall be affliction (tribulation), such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. ( According to the Lord Himself, we see here that the elect are still on the earth. If they are, rest assured all the other saints are as well. ), And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here [is] Christ; or, lo, [he is] there; believe [ him ] not Think about it, in the pre-trib scenario, Yeshua has already come and gone with all the raptured saints, all that’s left on the earth are the evil ones. Then why would anybody be looking for Christ who has obviously already come and gone?) For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect. (Notice again that the elect, God’s people are still here) But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. ( Yeshua has warned us )


John 17:15-16 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, (Is this not the same as to say: I pray that they stay in the world?) but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.


WHAT PAUL SAYS ABOUT WHO AND WHEN

The next scripture is taken from Paul’s first letter to the Thessalonians about the Lord coming back. He gives us the time of the Lord’s return and what the signal will be. In this letter, Paul also teaches concerning the brethren in Christ who have died are but asleep and will be the first to be resurrected and raptured when the Lord returns. All we need to do is read to order of events:


Thessalonians-1 4:13-18 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. ( The resurrection ) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. (Here are those who are alive and remain and those who are STILL asleep. They have NOT been resurrected. Therefore, NONE have been raptured or resurrected yet since it is the dead in Christ who will rise FIRST. ) For the Lord himself shall descend ( immediately after tribulation Matthew 24:29–30 ) from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God (the LAST trump *See Corinthians-1 15:51-53 Cross Reference below): and the dead in Christ shall rise first: THEN we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. ( Comfort? Why comfort if there is a pre-tribulation rapture? )



*Corinthians-1 15:51-53 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST trump This verse dates Thessalonians-1 4:13-18. This is when and only when there is anything at all like a rapture. It plainly says that it will be at the LAST trumpet angel which is at the end of tribulation on the Day of the Lord. ) for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, (Seventh trumpet angel; *See Revelation 10:5-7 Cross Reference below ) and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.


*Revelation 10:5-7 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, ( The voice of the 7th angel and the last trump are one and the same. ) when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, (The angel sounds at the finish, not the beginning.) as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.


Back to Paul’s letters to the Thessalonians: Paul’s next letter to them is answering some apparent question they had. He writes on the same subject but as in 1st Thessalonians because some seemed concerned when the Lord returns. The word gets back to Paul and he has to elaborate on what he was telling them before. Now lets take up at the first of the explanation.


Thessalonians-2 2:1-4 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.( He is saying to just stay calm. ) Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (The antichrist must be revealed first, and when does that happen? According to Daniel, and Yeshua quotes Daniel, it is not until THE MIDST OF THE WEEK… The midst of the seven years of tribulation. )


Thessalonians-2 2:10-12 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion (What kind of a delusion? It is possible that it is a pre-tribulation theory?), that they should believe a lie: That they all might be ****ed who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


WHAT JOHN WRITES IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION

Now lets look at some verses right out of Revelation and again read what is actually written instead of going by what we have heard or been taught.


Revelation 7:2-4 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. ( Here four angels have power to hurt but are told to wait till the servants of God are sealed. If they were going to be raptured they would not need to be sealed! This means they are on the Earth and staying on it. ) And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. (These are also called the elect in other verses. Why are they still on the earth? Is it not to be a light unto God’s people who are here too? )


Revelation 7:13-14 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, (If they came out of it, they were in it.) and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


Revelation 13:7-9 And it was given unto him (the beast) to make war with the saints ( If the saints are raptured out, how is it that the beast is making war with them?…ANSWER: No Pre Tribulation Rapture ), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear. ( Rev. 13:7-9 says both are on the earth…some who are written the Book of Life and some who are not. If you worship the beast YOUR NAME IS NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE.


Revelation 13:15 And he ( the false prophet, some famous religious leader of the time ) had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. ( If only the wicked were left, who are these who would not worshiping the beast? )

Anyone who believes in a pre-trib rapture must totally disregard ALL of the preceding verses, or try to explain them away somehow, or totally ignore them altogether.

In conclusion, we also find many references teaching the meek will inherit the earth, and here are two witnesses confirming this as fact.

Psalms 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.


Matthew 5:5. Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.


Now, please follow along with the simple logic of this: It is written, “The meek shall inherit the earth.” Now that being said, “The Church” believes in a pre-trib rapture, and “The Church” believes they will inherit the earth. If they inherit the earth, they must also number themselves among the meek. Therefore, the last verse below binds the “The Church,” on earth along with everyone else during the Great Tribulation.


Zephaniah 2:3 Seek ye the Lord, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the Lord's anger.


The Day of the Lord’s Anger and Armageddon are unmistakably joined together. The Day of the Lord undisputedly comes at the end of Tribulation. It comes as the seventh trumpet angel sounds “Feast of Trumpets,” also called the LAST Trump. The dead in Christ shall then rise first and we are caught up with them. Yeshua has already come to this earth once, and salvation came with Him; In His Second Coming He brings God’s wrath and Judgment to the wicked and He brings redemption to those who are His.


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The following article is about the history of the
“Secret Rapture” and its origin



ORIGIN OF THE SECRET RAPTURE THEORY



To many it is both amazing and shocking to discover that neither the word rapture nor the doctrine/teaching of a "secret rapture" is to be found in any bible translation. Moreover, it is not even mentioned in any "Christian" literature prior to the year 1830.

Dave MacPherson, author of “The Unbelievable Pre-Trib Origin,” reveals that the "rapture" teaching was born in England during the mid-1800's. MacPherson's research found that a Church of Scotland minister, named Edward Irving, was the first to preach the "rapture gospel."

Just how the "rapture" theory occurred to Irving is an intriguing facet of modern churchianity's history. Irving held some eccentric positions on the use of "spiritual" gifts, including speaking in tongues and prophesying. He contended that these gifts were for the present day "church", and had quite a few followers of his radical notions. However, when chaotic disturbances arose in Irving's services during the manifestations of these "gifts", the Church of Scotland took action, dismissing Irving from his position as minister in 1832.

The ultimate result of Irving's dismissal was the formation of the Catholic Apostolic Church, which still exists until this day. Irving's movement grew and became the basis of modern day pentecostalism. The natural evolution of this movement has resulted in the recent emergence of the "Toronto Laughing Spirit" phenomenon which has seduced and mislead more than a few well-intentioned people.

However, in 1830 during one of Irving's sessions before his dismissal, a young Scottish girl, named Margaret MacDonald, fell into a "trance". After several hours of "vision" and "prophesying" she revealed that "christ's" return would occur in two phases, not just one. "Christ" would first come visibly to only the righteous, then He would come a second time to execute wrath on the unrighteous in the nations.

This "secret rapture" was promoted by Irving claiming he, too, had heard a "voice" from heaven commanding him to teach it. (Some modern researchers submit that Irving's speculations of the "rapture were influenced by the Spanish Jesuit priest, Lacunza whose book Irving had translated in 1827 under the title, The coming of the Messiah in Glory and Majesty)

John Darby, an Englishman and pioneer of the "Plymouth Brethren" movement became caught up in the rapture philosophies of Irving. When Darby heard about Irving's activities, he traveled to Scotland to talk with Irving and his followers about the "secret rapture". It was Darby who became the master developer of "scriptural" arguments to support the theory/doctrine that evolved.

Darby's development of the "rapture" theory has since become widely popularized in Britain and finally in the U.S., largely as a result of Cyrus Scofield's notes in his Scofield Reference Bible.

Belief in the "secret rapture" doctrine has become so widespread among today's "evangelicals" and "fundamentalists" that many sitting in the pews assume that the teaching dates back to the apostles themselves and the Messiah. Regardless of whom one regards as the originator of the teaching — whether Irving, Darby, Margaret MacDonald, or a Jesuit priest - one thing is obvious; the "secret rapture" theory is of relatively recent origin. Moreover, it has no basis in fact nor was it ever a teaching of the Messiah, Apostles, or the early movement begun by Messiah. End of Article…

CLOSING COMMENTS



It is common knowledge that modern technology is migrating toward a cashless world. News reports are being given regularly on a computer chip that will eliminate cash and credit cards all together. It is also common knowledge in tribulation buying and selling cannot be done without the Mark of the Beast, but there is a catch, if you have the Mark, you are doomed to eternal ****ation.

If a religious leader told you, “Its OK to take a computer chip implant” saying, “it can’t be the Mark of the Beast because we haven’t been raptured yet,” what would you do? If there is not a pre-tribulation rapture, the issue of an implanted chip in your hand or forehead becomes an immediate life and death situation that could destroy you and your family. It is plain and simple; who ever takes the Mark of the Beast is cast into Hell. You will have doomed yourself and anyone else in your family that has taken it with you, or anyone that you have caused to take it. Would you want someone making those kinds of choices for you? It is your soul and your loved ones that are at stake. Lets all read and learn for ourself. The truth is there right before our eyes.



Hosea 4:6 “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge”




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Prophecy Is Multi-layered

This is the very problem….. Most do not understand that prophecy comes multi-layered. For instance, everyone understands how the 70 weeks of Daniel (Dan 9:24-27) meant the First Coming of our Messiah ( 70 X 7 = 490 yrs.) But..... our Father Himself tells us there is more to Scripture and Prophecy than just the surface meanings……..



Isa 46:9-10 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:



Since He explained how the “ancient things” reveal the “future,” and from the beginning (Creation Week) He declared/revealed the end (Latter Years), it is just like our Father to use the same Daniel Scriptures (Dan 9:24-27) to reveal, not only our Messiah’s First Coming, but to reveal BOTH…the First and the Second Coming, and He does just that... He is the master at this and He will not be limited.



Consider the Manna: While feeding Israel, the Father gave them the 1 through 7 week; He gave them the Sabbath, He gave them a task for them to obey seeing if they would walk in His law or not, He gave them the calendar, and the location of the Feast days that would be given soon. He also gave them a Prophetic Shadow Picture… As Israel took the manna (bread from Heaven) into their bodies He illustrated the True Bread From Heaven who was to come exemplifying the spiritual picture of how we are to take the Messiah into us, and on and on......... He did a multi-layered work by using only one thing. The wisdom of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob cannot be measured


Yes, what one prophecy or timing means to one generation, the same prophecy can reveal a deeper understanding to a future generation as Yah reveals more of Himself; even another level of fulfillment that did not pertain to a past generation. People get stuck in the single mind-set thinking: "OK that prophecy has been fulfilled now on to the next one,” and all the while become blind to what is happening in our own lifetime.


An excellent example of this degreed fulfillment is found in the 30, 60, and 100-fold pattern in growth and prophecy that Yeshua Himself taught.



Some brought forth fruit, some 30-fold and some 60-fold and some 100-fold. This is the same as to say: Fruit (30-fold); More Fruit (60-fold); and Much Fruit (100-fold). Another is being baptized with Water (30), with the Holy Ghost (60), and with Fire (100-fold). Also we see the same pattern in the good (30), acceptable (60), and perfect (100-fold) will of the Father being done. Or how about first the blade (30-fold), then the corn in the ear (60-fold), and finally the full ear of corn (100-fold)...



A major example of 30, 60, and 100-fold is also the Tabernacle itself: the outer court (30), the inner court (60) and the Holy of Holies (100-fold). The pieces of furniture not only represent an order of worship, but also each piece represents one of the Feasts of the LORD, each piece represents one day in the creation week, each piece represents a separate millennia, as well as our spiritual walk toward Him, and much more.


There are many such examples of degrees of fulfillment in prophecy as when Yah revealed the end while giving us the beginning…. thus we also recognize the multi-layered fulfillment of Daniel. Our Father will not allow what was to stop what is yet prophesied to come.



To give further witness to Daniel’s prophecy as a multi-layered prophecy, Daniel 9:24 speaks about the end of several things.



Da 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.





Have all the transgressions been finished, has an end been made to all sin or is it still going on, has everlasting righteousness been ushered in yet, has the Most Holy been anointed yet, etc., etc? In a measure they have by Yeshua’s death, burial, and resurrection, but obviously not to the fullness that He intends to do in our generation. So we can clearly see there is much more to this prophecy than just the surface reading.



Another witness: One might say the swine sacrificed on the Altar by Antiochus Epiphanes fulfilled Daniel’s abomination prophecy. Another can say no, it was the Dome of the Rock that was set up 1300+years ago that fulfilled the Daniel’s abomination prophecy. The fact remains that another abomination will be set up on the Temple mount other than what has happened in the past. It is that abomination that starts the remaining 1260-day woman in the wilderness and the 1260-day two witness prophecies. There will be another abomination all right and it will be set up just days after the Altar is shut down in 2013. Yah will not allow what was, to stop what is prophesied to come. Whatever measure of prophecy that has been fulfilled in the past will not prevent the plurality of the same prophecy that is yet to come.


Now, what about the Messiah being cut off? He cannot be crucified a second time so how can this be multi-layered…? The word used for “cut off” is “Karath” and comes with multi-layered meanings too.



Cut off:

Karath (kaw-rath'); Verb, Strong #: 3772

to cut, cut off, cut down, cut off a body part, cut out, eliminate, kill, cut a covenant
We know, as Yeshua taught, when we accept Him into our lives (partake of His blood and His body) we become part of " His body." ( known in the Christian community as "the body of Christ" ) And it was Yeshua Himself who said what you have done to the least of one of these (we who are His) is the same as doing it unto Him. Should someone should harm you or kill you for His sake, Yeshua takes this personally as doing it unto Him. And... there will also be an agreement/covenant confirmed only to be cut off in the midst of the final "Week" as well.

For all practical purposes, this world and this country we live in has already begun trying to cut Him off. This evil world will certainly try to cut Yeshua off from even mentioning His name. Those who refuse to deny Him and continue to profess Him will be labeled as religious fanatics and eventually considered a threat to national security. The evil powers of this world are out to cut Him off all right; they try to cut Him off more and more every day; out of schools, court rooms, public prayer, and every other place they can think of to eliminate Him off the face of the earth. One day in the near future we may not even be able to mention His name without being arrested, or even killed just like it was almost 2000 years ago when the believers were persecuted.


All of the things given to Daniel were to be sealed up UNTIL the latter days and those days are upon us.


Da 12:9-10 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.


Even Yeshua spoke in ways that the wise would understand but the wicked would not.


Mt 13:34-35 All these things spake Yeshua unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.



Again, we MUST understand this .......... whatever measure of prophecy that has been fulfilled in the past will not prevent the plurality of the same prophecy that is yet to come.


Blessings……….Dewey


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A Seven Year "At a Glance" Calendar

( The Great Tribulation is the last 3 1/2 Years of the 7 year Prophetic Week )



Mat 24:15-21 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, ( whoso readeth, let him understand: ) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.





Those who believe in the False Doctrine called "The Pre-Tribulation Rapture" obviously do not believe the "Final 7yr Week" has begun simply because they have not been raptured ! This is a critical error on their part. They usually reason as follows: I haven't been raptured so this is proof the last 7yr week has not started and since the last 7yr period has not started, is the reason why I haven't been raptured.......... It is called "Circular Reasoning."







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Yeshua’s Crucifixion Fits Daniel’s Timeline Prophecy - Documented By Israel’s Ancient History



The following is from the Information Division of the Israel Foreign Ministry:



Roman Rule ( 63 BCE-313 CE ) =========================================

When the Romans replaced the Seleucids as the great power in the region, they granted the Hasmonean king, Hyrcanus II, limited authority under the Roman governor of Damascus. The Jews were hostile to the new regime, and the following years witnessed frequent insurrections. A last attempt to restore the former glory of the Hasmonean dynasty was made by Mattathias Antigonus, whose defeat and death brought Hasmonean rule to an end (40 BCE), and the Land became a province of the Roman Empire. In 37 BCE Herod, a son-in-law of Hyrcanus II, was appointed King of Judea by the Romans. Granted almost unlimited autonomy in the country's internal affairs, he became one of the most powerful monarchs in the eastern part of the Roman Empire. A great admirer of Greco-Roman culture. Herod launched a massive construction program, which included the cities of Caesarea and Sebaste and the fortresses at Herodium and Masada. He also remodeled the Temple into one of the most magnificent buildings of its time. But despite his many achievements, Herod failed to win the trust and support of his Jewish subjects. Ten years after Herod's death (4 BCE), Judea came under direct Roman administration. Growing anger against increased Roman suppression of Jewish life resulted in sporadic violence that escalated into a full-scale revolt in 66 CE. Superior Roman forces led by Titus were finally victorious, razing Jerusalem to the ground (70 CE) and defeating the last Jewish outpost at Masada.

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Israel’s history documents that Herod, a great admirer of Greco-Roman culture, was given rule in 37BC. The commandment to restore and rebuild could have gone forth as early as one year after Herod was granted unlimited autonomy in the country’s internal affairs. This would place the time at 36BC when the restoration began on several projects including the Temple.

The prophecy in Daniel 9:25-27 plainly states that after threescore and 2 weeks (62 years) have passed from the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, the Messiah will be cut off in the midst of the week (within a 7yr period).

Yeshua's ministry began in 27AD at His baptism (Mikvah) during the Feast of Shavuot (Pentecost) followed a 40 day fast in which He was tempted. This was only a few months before the fall Feast of the LORD as Yeshua began to reach 30 years of age.

If Yeshua’s ministry lasted 3 1/2 years before He was crucified, this puts the crucifixion year in 30AD and within the 7 year week. If Yeshua's ministry only lasted 70 weeks as some have begun to teach, the crucifixtion year still falls within the seven year week. This also falls in line with His birth at 3 BC…

Certainly this was fulfilled just as Daniel’s prophecy stated.



As you can see, this would have also fit the 69 year prophecy perfectly as well (from the commandment to restore unto the Messiah the Prince shall be threescore, seven and two weeks).

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An interesting thought arises.......

Had Yeshua finished the 7 year prophetic week, is there any possibility the Kingdom could have been established if Yeshua had been recognized as the Messiah; could He have been Crowned Prince? Is there any hint at all in the scriptures allowing this to be considered as even a remote possibility?

I really don't know, but in Isaiah 46:9-10 we are told by God Himself to: remember the former things of old, that He, declares the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done; which means the past will show the future.

Now, that being said, there is a very interesting parallel that surfaces......

When the scribes and the Pharisees asked Yeshua for a sign, He said there is no sign given but Jonas 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the whale, and thats where most everyone stops, after connecting the 3 days and nights.

But, finishing the story, Jonas was told to tell the people of Nineveh of the judgment that was about to fall on them and they were all about to be destroyed. Every man, woman, child, and beast fasted 40 days, God stayed the judgment and destroyed them not because (1) they believed God and (2) repented of their evil ways.

Yeshua recounts this experience to the scribes and Pharisees below:

Mt 12:38-41

38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation,and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Also there is the following verse:

Mt 12:6-7 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

So, to answer the question: Had they recognized Him as the Messiah and finished the 7 year prophetic week, is there any possibility this could have meant the Kingdom would have been established; could He have been Crowned Prince at that time?

I cannot say, but I personally would not label it as completely out of the question. After all it is written, "With God, all things are possible."


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Fellow Doves,

For 25+ years I've always believed there was going to be a Peace treaty with Israel, signed (or confirmed) by the Antichrist, which we will begin the 7 year tribulation. I also firmly believed we would be raptured before the AC appeared on the scene....you could say i was a 100% pre-tribber. Until I studied the Word of God for myself.


Here's what we already know:
Dan 9:24-27 says the AC will arise and confirm a covenant (agreement) with the many. While I disagree with Ron Reese and Mathman's 2008-2015 timeline, i believe they were on track by naming Obama as the AC...but i believe they are looking at the wrong starting date as the beginning of the final 7 years.

"Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate..." (verse 27).

We know that the "one week" is the final 7 year period.
We agree that the middle of the final 7 years, the sacrifices cease and the abomination is set up.

Here's what I recently discovered, regarding Dan 9:27:

"Then he (antichrist) shall confirm a covenant (agreement) with many for one week..."

I believe the 7 year period (one week) isn't something that was planned by man to be an actual 7 year peace treaty with Israel. Rather, the final 7 years (one week) that Daniel already marked out for us in this prophecy of the 70 years began when a "peace agreement" was made to the world. I believe this "peace agreement" made to the world was when the Nobel Peace prize was awarded to Obama on Oct 9, 2009.

Dan 11:21 tells us, "...but he shall come in peaceably and seize the kingdom by intrigue".

Dan 11:23-24, "And after the league is made with him he shall act deceitfully, for he shall come up and become strong with a small number of people. He shall enter peaceably, even into the richest places of the province; and he shall do what his fathers have not done, nor his forefathers: he shall disperse among them the plunder, spoil, and riches, and he shall devise his plans against the strongholds, but only for a time".


Oct 9, 2009 is the date that began the final 7 years!!

For those who have watched the "Daniels Timeline" video series (www.danielstimeline.com SEE VIDEO at The TOP OF THIS THREAD) published in 2005, you know that the presenter used "scripture to validate scripture" and thus, marked out March 22, 2013 as the exact mid-point of the final 7 years. I was SHOCKED when i discovered that exactly 1260 days prior to March 22, 2013 was Oct 9, 2009....the exact date the Norwegien Nobel Committee announced the Nobel Peace prize was to be awarded to Obama (http://nobelpeaceprize.org/en_GB/laureates/laureates-2009/announce-2009/).


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Daniels timeline is coming true, Obama is heading to Israel march 20th.




http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/05/obama-to-visit-israel-in-first-visit-as-president/?test=latestnews




You have been posting on your forum for weeks now.

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Many claim the Mid-Point of the Tribulation is March 21, 2013. I saw a video on Youtube called "daniels timeline" which was filmed in 2005 and came to the same conclusion. The image of the beast is set up on March 21, 2013.

Guess who is going to be in Israel for the first time? Barrack Obama...........guess when? On March 20, 2013 according to the Jerusalem Post

Guess when the supposed RFID Obama Care was supposed to go into effect? March 23, 2013

Very Interesting.

Link: http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=302211


So midtrib is supposedly on March 21, 2013
Barrack Obama is set to visit Israel for the first time on March 20, 2013

Are you serious?

WHHHHHAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!

Here is another link:

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Steven what fascinates me is that we begin to understand fully the prophecy when the time is really at the door!!!

Now it is almost sure that the mid tribulation or some says great tribulation or tribulation (depending on which theory you hold :)) will begin on March 21st, 2013 as the 112th Pope will likely be chosen on March 2013 before the Passover.

Now, something big should happen between NOW and END of March 2013 either the Rapture (the best scenario and I favor a lot of this of course), or sudden destruction, or short wars or some short chaotic events (as some believed we will have to go through this and many visions about this too :)), therefore I think for sure our redemption is really at hands. The scenarios might be different from what we expected but for sure we are saved under Yahshua Our God, Our Savior.

Every day is an interesting day to watch!

I saw the video and Mr. Brouton makes a very good case. However, I am confused over a couple of issues in his presentation. If March 22nd of this year is the abomination of deolation, then where is the temple where the
a/c will appear and where are the sacrifices that he will stop?

Hi Rudylee,

Great questions.....let me try to answer....

The rabbi's have a saying......the scriptures have 70 different layers of meaning.



One Example is when the pharisees and saduccess were speaking with JESUS

John 2:18-25

18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.

24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,

25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.
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1 Cor 3:16-23

16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;

22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;

23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
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Rudylee,
Another point that is NOT well publized is the fact that ALL the Rabbi's have agreed to temple sacrifices in Israel ( They took rocks out of the Jordan River to make the altar ) and have been doing this for at least a year or so....( the sky is considered the roof of the temple )

So my point is we may NOT have all the information of things are taking place but we CAN TRUST GOD's WORD.


Amos 3:7

7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
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Prov 25:2

2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
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ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHEN?

There is a multitude of verses concerning the Lord’s return and even an admonishment from Him saying, “Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that you do not discern this time?” That one verse should be proof enough that we should know, but He is not just going to plainly spell it out lest the wicked should understand.

We also know there are NO idle words in the Word of God. If therefore, it is not meant for us to understand or know the time of His coming, would not’t all the verses with clues pertaining to the time of His return be counted as idle words?

Here are only a few of many verses telling us that God will teach us all things; He will show us things that are to come which includes the return of His Son; And God says and He will show His servants things that must shortly be done. In Daniel, We are given a definite sequence of years that can now be understood. Just being able to understand things that have been a mystery for centuries should be a huge clue to us that time is short and approaching when all things will be finished.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

Revelation 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings [are] faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to show unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret [things belong] unto the LORD our God: but those [things which are] revealed [belong] unto us and to our children for ever, that [we] may do all the words of this law.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Thessalonians-1 5:4-5 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

THE SOUGHT AFTER 70TH WEEK

Now, turning our attention to Daniel, the angel sent to him told Daniel to understand, so lets see what we can understand beginning in Daniel 9:23:

Daniel 9:23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to show [thee]; for thou [art] greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

The simplicity is astonishing. We are going to read it just like it literally is presented, and apply it to a graph. Beginning with Daniel 9:24 we will plot each verse individually. Daniel is now told that 70 weeks are given to make an end of sin and to anoint the most Holy. With both accomplished, (1) no sin and (2) the Most Holy anointed, it can only mean one thing; from some type of a starting point there is a 70 week period until God’s rest starts:

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
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Rudylee,

I pray this helps you somewhat.

God Bless


ybiC,

Steven

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RudyLee,

Now about the AC?

Well that is why everyone is so excited about the resignation of the pope.

Many believe that the pope sucessor will be the 'false prophet'

'satan' likes to mimic God so remember how before Jesus came John the baptist?


well many expect the 'false prophet' to come before the 'ac'

We are all 'watching' to see if this is the case........

So on March 22 2013 we "may" get more answers.......we are 'watching' to find out.


Again I pray this helps you to understand.

God Bless

ybiC,

Steven

Well I read from another forum one piece of information that Mr. O will be in Israel to offer the peace treaty agreement for 7 years dividing Yerusalem with the payment to Israel as the right to build the temple !!!

Wow, if that's true, it seems our 7 years last week of Daniel is up upon us. I know this will be a different timeline...

Hi Gimel,

Yes.....I posted some articles about 7 year timeline is still in 'play'


2013-2020

I posted some articles about that today.


I'm not arguing the points......:)


THIS IS an OPEN FORUM and ALL timelines are discussed..

So never feel afraid to share other timelines from other forums!

That other forum must ONLY BE pretrib rapture forum?


:)

This forum allows all positions to be discussed.

Just remember to be encouraging, edifying with comments.


Thank you Gimel for your excellent posts on this site!


ybiC,

Steven

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"Pope will resign exactly 7 years prior to day I believe ends the Tribulation ( 29 February 2020 )"

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In my previous series of posts (last one
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2013/bobware131.htm

I wrote that I believed that 29 February 2020 would be the last day of the Tribulation ending Daniel's 70th week.

Today, 11 February 2013, Pope Benedict XVI announced that he would resign on 28 February 2013. From 28 February 2013 to 29 February 2020 will be exactly 7 solar years (2557 days).

Again, 29 February 2020 will be the 490th leap day/year since the birth of Christ - thus ending Daniel's 70th week that began on 21 January 2013 with Obama's second Inauguration. 21 January 2013 + 1260 days + 1335 days will be 29 February 2020.

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Yes, I agree with the idea that the March 22nd date may be the beginning of a seven year time line rather than the mid trib point as that would allow time for the Psalms 83 war, the Gog/Magog war, a confirmed covenant, the sealing of the 144,000, the formation of the one world government, the building of a temple or setting up the tabernacle like the Jews had in the wilderness, the resumption of the blood sacrifices, etc. That is my opinion and I could certainly be off track.

Steven thank you for your kindness in allowimg various theories and ideas. We are certainly on the cusp of something huge that will usher in the major portions of the end time prophecies. I look forward to their fulfillment.


XPF

Thanks Steven, I still believe 7 years tribulation will happen and currently not yet happen.
The information these days are mounting and difficult to follow without sacrificing a lot of your time. Even just to glance and read it by scheming it is hard to do. I have tried it and it took about 2 to 3 hours a day just for scheming all the news not only in this forum but also some others including liberal media news this including listening some "domestic" news and weather channels :) but outside my personal email/news.

So sometimes, my replied to one posting is way too late :)

And I hope if anybody watches videos posted here, please give some short resume about it so that I can think whether I want to watch it or just scheme it. Like Dewey's video, at last I decided to watch it jumping around of course and it turned out to be really good but certainly not short and not straight to the point style.

I like the presentation of pyramid style instead of pyramid inverse style. Most of the presentations in youtube videos so far is inverted pyramid style, kind like giving big question mark of where to go and that's not American scientific style.
Only some youtube videos are done in pyramid style. Some of them are catching eyes such as Perry Stone, Joe Richardson, Walid Shoebat, Tom Horn and many others. They know we have limited time to read or watch so in the beginning they have already given us the nuggets and later on explaining the reasoning of the nuggets and the consequences of them. Some other just simply didn't give any nuggets in the front and made me in pain of guessing what did the speaker want to talk about actually. If possible all videos should be the pyramid style.

Just a little thought of many videos I have seen :)

Hi Gimel,

I use this site and the facebook site to encourage, exhort and edify the saints.



It may not be popular but by sharing all points of view.... I can reach....many more people......


I personally would like it to be a seven year pre tribulation but the scriptures do not bear this out......


The pre Wrath is more accurate and inline with scripture.......

Many will be deceived and fall away in the last days....

PreWrath is not popular and is not going to make people 'feel good' but it is more scripturally accurate position than the pre tribulation traditional position.


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FACEBOOK gets way more comments too!

God has brought 343 people so far to FACEBOOK site and I get an average of 100 posts a day on FACEBOOK.

This site Rapture bible prophecy forum gets about 6000 ( six thousand visits a week )

I'm amazed at the lack of understanding of scripture as a whole by the body of Christ.

Many do not read the bible for themselves and listen to teachers, pastors who do not teach scriptures but teach what their denominations propagate.

Very sad.

Pre Tribulation is not a very scriptural stance even the seminaries who teach it do not believe it but continue to 'spit out' pastors teaching this doctrine......

I pray God will lead you to the right videos to 'watch' and that God will grant you 'time' to read, pray and be able to also provide for your family!!!

March 22 2013 is coming soon I wonder what is going to happen if anything???

By the way March 22 2013 is NOT a date the pre tribulation rapture people located or look to.....


God Bless

ybiC,


Steven

Thanks Steven for your praying, I don't have a facebook and I don't want to create one for my personal reasons :) I just want to keep my identity not known openly. Can I say as safety or security reasons.

My beliefs in the rapture always evolve from one to another but at the end I always start with the best hope: Pre-tribulation rapture. Then, when I feel strongly tribulation has begun and not yet been raptured, will shift to midtrib and or prewrath rapture. Then when those two not occur I will shift to the post trib.

Qustion like do I prepare if the rapture not happen as in pretrib predict? Of course I prepared that but not many because of my difficult financial situation right now.

Do I prepare a place of safety if the rapture not happen when the tribulation starts? NO! Because I don't have enough capability to finance all of that. But I pray everyday to Jesus to release us from the coming tribulation. "And lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil" kind of prayer everyday. That makes me to rely on Jesus for my "future" escape.

The rapture itself could be debatable, is it really the rapture or only supernaturally we will be translated by faith to one safe area where the tribulation (great tribulation) cannot reach that place like Goshen land in the time of Moses. Historically, Noach not taken from the world but in the world but is separated from the rest of the people. Lot is also taken from the city but not from the world. So, .... I don't know and just trust Jesus but I really hope the best one for I and my family relying on Jesus only. Don't have much to keep right now just enough for live day by day ....:)

Hi Gimel,

I'm with you!

Jesus is all we need!

Jesus will keep us and if HE chooses not to we will not bow to pagan 'gods'

Dan 3:16-25
17 If that is the case, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and He will deliver us from your hand, O king. 18 But if not, let it be known to you, O king, that we do not serve your gods, nor will we worship the gold image which you have set up."

19 Saved in Fiery Trial


Then Nebuchadnezzar was full of fury, and the expression on his face changed toward Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego. He spoke and commanded that they heat the furnace seven times more than it was usually heated. 20 And he commanded certain mighty men of valor who were in his army to bind Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, and cast them into the burning fiery furnace. 21 Then these men were bound in their coats, their trousers, their turbans, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace. 22 Therefore, because the king's command was urgent, and the furnace exceedingly hot, the flame of the fire killed those men who took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego. 23 And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.

24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar was astonished; and he rose in haste and spoke, saying to his counselors, "Did we not cast three men bound into the midst of the fire?"

They answered and said to the king, "True, O king."

25 "Look!" he answered, "I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God."
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God bless you Gimel. I pray for your peace. Theories abound on the various rapture scenarios and just when you buy into one, a new study pops up that tries to disprove what we have come to believe.

Bottom line. It really doesn't matter. Many christians alive tonight will die before any rapture takes place and they will instantly be with God. Our hope is not in the rapture....pre trib...pre wrath...post trib....etc. Our hope is in Jesus and Him alone. Take no thought for tomorrow and live each day to the fullest as a gift from God. He is in total control and He has not given us a spirit of fear.

May God give you the peace that passes all understanding.

Hi Rudylee,

I'm sorry I have to disagree with you.

Please show me scripture where it doesn't matter?

We are commanded to "watch" for the rapture.

We are told the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ also is important.

How you made the leap to the conclusion it is not important is a bit baffling.


Please show me scripture that says it's not important.

I was shocked when you first wrote it but was hoping someone with a password would comment. ( over 70 ) people have passwords to this site and I was hoping for others to chime in but since they haven't I will.

Jesus commands us to 'watch' so if Jesus commands us to watch then I figure it must be important.


Let me share a thought:

Let's say I'm a little boy around 5 years of age and it is morning.....

My father gives me a hug on his way to work.......

It is now later in the day ( the same day ) and time for my father to come home.......

Cars pass by my home one after another........finally I hear a car pull in the driveway.......my father has just come home....the door opens.......my father enters..........now which which scenario do you think would bring JOY to MY FATHER.....

Scenario A or B

A. I sit in front of the tv while my father enters and continue watching cartoons or whatever......


B. I run to the the door and when MY FATHER enters...I HUG his leg!!!

Which do you think would bring JOY to MY FATHER?


Let me just say I can not wait to hug MY FATHER!!!


God Bless

"STILL WATCHING"

ybiC,

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Dear Doves,



Thank you Denise and others for indicating your enjoyment of my previous posts. I REALLY appreciate the positive response!! On that note, I would like to take the time to further my thoughts on the subject as outlined below.



In my inner circle of brothers and sisters, an excellent question was asked of my previous posts as follows:



“I really like your most recent post, but how do you explain this passage:



2 Thessalonians 2:4, “Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.”



Unless the temple is not a physical building, but is in each of us??”



While I am not saying a physical temple, even if a temporary structure, could not be erected by the Jews for the Anti-Christ to desecrate, I am simply stating that I do not believe that this is a requirement.



Indeed, I strongly believe that we need to continuously view BOTH Old Testament prophecy and New Testament prophecy under current conditions. More specifically, the condition of the New Testament Age of Grace, and all of its glorious implications (wherein such Age of Grace will end at the Rapture).



As many here are aware, it is commonly understood that the New Testament reveals what the Old Testament conceals. This has never been more true, IMO, than in the above passage as outlined above. So then, does the New Testament reveal any NEW information not known in the Old Testament as to what exactly is meant in this passage by “the temple of God”?



I believe that it most certainly does:



1 Corinthians 6:19: “What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?”



I believe that God purposely made this updated definition of the “temple of God” crystal clear. Now, let us do a quick comparison of the old definition versus the new definition:



Old Testament temple of God: Physical temple in Jerusalem. Can be destroyed (and was – twice – still not rebuilt). Physical residence of the Holy of Holies. Access was only available one day a year by one specified person using a precise ritual.



New Testament temple of God: Physical temple in the hearts of people. Can never be destroyed, as this “temple” will spiritually end up in either heaven or hell, depending on your choice to either accept or reject Jesus. Spiritual residence of the Holy of Holies. Access available 24 hours a day, every single day (PRAISE BE THE LORD!!!).



Now, let us expand on this using the light of the Book of Revelation:



My brothers and sisters in Christ, according to the Bible, the heart of each person left behind is exactly where the Lord Himself indicated that the False Prophet, using the Anti-Christ as the focus of worship, will attack (see Revelation 13).



Indeed, Revelation 13 indicates that taking the Mark of the Beast will specifically mean accepting Satan in your heart, permanently and irrevocably corrupting the temple of God. Unlike anywhere else in the Bible, the acceptance of the Mark will be an irrevocable decision that will send a person to hell.



This seems to specifically explain why the Mark of the Beast will be so dangerous! This seems to explain why three separate angels will speak to EVERYONE on the planet that taking the Mark will **** them to Hell. Does it not make sense that it will be because people will have made a decision to elevate Satan “so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God (people’s hearts), shewing himself that he is God”?



Surprise, surprise, I will now put this into a mathematical formulaJ:



Taking the Mark of the Beast = Satan sitting in the “Temple of God” (your heart) = an irrevocable ticket to Hell



When you examine the whole prophecy in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 from a different perspective, using knowledge revealed at the very end as promised by Daniel himself (Progressive Revelation, as Ron Reese refers to it), doesn’t this make a lot of sense?



It is sad to see that SOOO many watchers are waiting to see the Temple being rebuilt to even believe that we are at the end. The above analysis should reveal to them that they seriously need to reevaluate that this rebuilt Temple is a REQUIREMENT. I reiterate, I am not saying such physical temple CAN’T be rebuilt in Jerusalem, just that it doesn’t HAVE to be rebuilt for the end to come.



Not to sound like a broken record, and before any of you write any terse replies, I would like to once again remind everyone that the Lord Himself, NOT ME, said our bodies are the new temple of God!!! Trust 1 Corinthians 6:19 on this, NOT ME!!



Disclaimer: As per my previous few posts, I again stress that mathematics ALWAYS takes a backseat to the Bible. Math does not prove the Bible, the Bible proves the Bible. I stress that this post is only speculation on my part and should NEVER be misinterpreted as a “so sayeth the Lord” prophecy. Not only that, but I would also like to note that March 22, 2013 is NOT even my favorite GUESS for the Rapture to occur (wherein, in reality, ANY day now could be THE day). Indeed, my favorite GUESS is actually towards the end of Passover, perhaps on March 31, 2013 as the world turns it’s calendar to April Fool’s Day. Wouldn’t that be appropriate?



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Brothers and sisters, an unprecedented number of watchers are geared up for watching this Passover season. Are you ready to meet the Lord in the sky? Repent and believe that grace is by faith alone and can ONLY be attained through Jesus Christ. Get ready and leave the temptations of this world behind and ready yourself as a Bride.



Surely, time is almost up.



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God is in control...not us, Dewey Bruton, or anyone else. I have followed date certain events before only to have them fizzle out and see christians left in a state of depression and dis-illusionment.

My point was that many christians will die and not see the rapture and for us to argue with one another as to timing is a bit off balance for the good fellowship we should be having due to our born again status in Christ. Thus it doesn't matter as to timing, because God will provde for those who are His just as he always has. Should we watch? Sure....Jesus said to watch. But He also showed us what happens when people give up watching, as many have done when man made dates have come and gone with no rapture taking place on the dates predicted.

Our hope should be in Jesus, not in a collection of "possible" dates set by a man that will likely come and go with no major events attached. The rapture will happen when it happens and we will not know exactly when that will be.

As for verses to corroborate my views.......
2 Timothy 2: 23-24....Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,

Your rapture view, my rapture view and someone else's rapture view should not be something that divides us nor something to be argued about. If we die before the rapture, then the living christians will be the ones "left behind" because the dead christians will immediately be in the presence of the Lord. Likely, there will be those who will die a physical death on the very day of the rapture. Is that a bad thing? I think not. They get to rise first.

Are we in the end times? I certainly believe we are. Will Mr. Bruton's date be significant? Don't know. It might. We shall see. But I would not base my joy on it.

Hi Rudylee,


Anyone who has spent anytime on this site and read or viewed the videos would know it all revolves around JESUS and making HIM known.

Now when Jesus says to WATCH the signs then: I watch! , to say or insinuate that it is not important to WATCH is in the very least misleading.

If you have ever seen a post by me that says otherwise please correct me.


Now about foolish conversation it may be foolishness to you the DISCUSSION of the time of the rapture but it is not foolish to WATCH and DISCUSS....but to argue and attack people about the timing of the rapture is foolish.

=Kinda like saying it's not important since JESUS said to WATCH I would say it is foolish NOT to WATCH.

If you take the scriptures in context then it is IMPORTANT but if you take the scripture out of context then anything the bible says can be considered foolishness.

Now about Dewey Bruton....He was simply following JESUS command to WATCH and shared his (dewey bruton ) 30 years of study on the subject.

Too many people do not know scripture and give opinion when they do not properly put the scriptures in CONTEXT.

A class or book on HUERMANUTICS is very valuable in these days.
(also reading the bible cover to cover over and over is very valuable the more you study the WORD of God the more you can see scripture taken out of CONTEXT. )


We all are learning daily who study the scriptures.



God Bless


Steven


2 Tim 3:16-17

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
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Gen 1:1 - 2 Tim 2:17
15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.
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322 Tetrads and the Time of Jacob's Trouble

Pastor Mark Biltz and 119 Ministries have put out some excellent videos concerning the blood moon tetrad and solar eclipses coming up in 2014 and 2015, leading some to believe that the Feast of Trumpets in 2016 may be a possible time for Christ's return. If true, this of course would mean that 1,260 prior (3/22/13) would be the time of the Abomination of Desolation. As compelling as all of that is, I personally do not believe that's what is going to happen next month. I do however believe that 3/22/13 may kick off the 20 year time period of Jacob's Trouble. Found out why in this short clip from a teaching by Rob Skiba called, "322, Tetrads and the Time of Jacob's Trouble."








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I am rewatching Dewey Brewton's video (at 1:10) and he points out the 30 days before the abomination of desolation is when the "altar is shut down"...whatever that means. Might it refer to the Vatican in some way? Feb 21st to Mar 21st. His predictions are right upon us...exciting to watch!
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Gerry let your flight be not in winter more wink wink see see the first day of spring is March 20th the day a tabernancle V or tent over the sun is formed by this planetary galactic alignment! Urgent urgent urgent!









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Guys let your flight not be in winter nor the sabbath day? It's of course 11:11 as I am typing this the sabbath day is sundown Jerusalem time do you see it's not winter or the sabboth if the flight occurs on the 22nd before then!

With Joel 1 just fulfilled all the other sights in the heavens and on Earth I truly hope my vision of a rapture being on a Thursday has great merit. Funny I was on the couch reading the bible fallen asleep then taken up in my vision. I hope that's how if actually plays out. Pray watch neither winter nor the sabbath day!





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Daniel's Timeline March 20th 2013



Sackcloth&AshesWALK with ME LAY DOWN YOUR LIFE Become the PROPERTYofGOD!PtII


This message included a 40day watch which began on Feb 8, 2013 I will continue to add to this list as the events pile up.

Already on Feb 10 we have significant events unfolding:
Obama scheduled to visit Israel fro the first time as President SIX DAYS BEFORE PASSOVER! March 20, 2013 which happens to be the 40th day of the watch! (FALSE CHRIST ENTERS ISRAEL/JERUSALEM /6DAYS BEFORE PASSOVER)
It is also the Spring Equinox.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/06/wor...
This is connected with the SHADOW of the SERPENT which will slither down the step pyramid on The Spring Equinox at Chichen Itza, Yucatan Mexico -- March 20th.the step pyramid of Kukulkan (the plumed serpent) or 'El Castillo' (the castle) as it is more often referred to. Each year at the spring and autumn equinox, a large serpent-shaped shadow appears on the pyramid and seems to slither down the steps, to the amazement and awe of all those watching.


Feb 11, 2013
Pope to resign at the end of the month....Feb 28, 2013 the 20th day of the watch! (PAVING THE WAY FOR THE FALSE PROPHET)
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/11/world/e...


**At the end of last year I was given a 12 day watch and many siginficant things occurred during that time around the winter solstice....some of the bigger events were:
Day 5....Nov 29, 2012
UN vote recognizes state of Palestine; US objects
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/50021500/...
Day 10...Dec 4, 2012
Iran aims biological warheads at Israel
Source confirms missiles in underground silos target Tel Aviv
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/iran-aims-...

U.S. weighing military options if Syria uses chemical, biological weapons
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/...




Obama Israel visit: Netanyahu lists key themes as Syria, Iran and the stalled Peace Process



Vatican : Possibility of March 1st Conclave for Petrus Romanus The Final Pope (Feb 16, 2013)






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Daniel 12:11 was fulfilled precisely on August 2, 2012, as I'm sure you know, if you have been watching my channel. But now, it is evident that Daniel 12:12 was also fulfilled PRECISELY!!! The word for "waiteth" also means "long for" and the word for "cometh" also means "reach for." That is exactly what so many of us were doing before the Feast of Trumpets 2012! Read Matthew 25 and Mark 13:35. For those of you having to translate this, I want to let you know I am working on a document for you so you can translate and receive all of this information! Amazing fulfillments are happening! Seven months from the abomination of desolation that was set up in NYC on August 2, 2012 was February 2013, and there have been unprecedented events happening on every single date from the biblical timeline since February!

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We have just witnessed a prophecy from 2500 years ago fulfilled today: Daniel 11:31 -
"His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. THEN they will set up the abomination that causes desolation."
"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand-- Matthew 24:15

"When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation' standing where it does not belong--let the reader understand--then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains." Mark 13:14

Amid high security, Obama toured the church with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. They stopped at the Grotto of the Nativity, which is said to stand where Jesus Christ was born. About 20 children waving U.S. and Palestinian flags greeted Obama in a courtyard outside the sanctuary.

Church of the Nativity, Bethlehem
The Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem is a major Christian holy site, as it marks the traditional place of Christ's birth. It is also one of the oldest surviving Christian churches.

The Grotto:




Obama visits the HOLY PLACE - Abomination that causes Desolation
Daniel 11:31 - His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. THEN they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.

I believe this prophecy has been fulfilled in TWO stages. The first part was fulfilled in April/May 2002, when Palestinian armed forces rose up and desecrated the temple "fortress" and abolished the daily sacrifice (daily communion took place in the Church of the Nativity until the Palestinians took over the building - so what was taking place "daily" was stopped on that day). Now, 11 years later, the abomination that causes desolation just took place. We know that this is the HOLY PLACE that Jesus was talking about, because it is a temple fortress that was desecrated and is referred to as the HOLY PLACE.

Here are some quotes from different articles on the internet:

In Christian tradition, the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem marks the place where Mary gave birth to Jesus. It is one of the oldest continuously operating churches in the world. First-time visitors are sometimes startled, even disappointed, by its fortress-like appearance which results from a 12th century AD Crusader reconstruction to make it more defensible. Defying its status as one of Christendom's holiest shrines, it seems dilapidated and battered, not at all beautiful. Still, for a building that has survived destruction by the Persians (614), a mad caliph (1009), earthquake (1834) fire (1869) and a Israeli army siege (2002) against suspected Palestinian militants who had taken refuge there, its dignity remains intact.

The forbidding, fortress-like church in the center of the modern city of Bethlehem, facing Manger Square, is one of the oldest churches in the world.

Entering the church that marks the site of Christ’s birthplace means having to stoop low. The only doorway in the fortress-like front wall is just 1.2 metres high.


Needless to say, the seizure of the 1,677-year-old church by 250 guerrillas affiliated with Islamist terror factions has hardly roused the armies of Christendom. Crusades, Christian-soldiering and all that went out in the last millennium.

Still, it's a shock to realize that this desecration of the ancient church built over what's believed to be the birthplace of Jesus Christ has brought down neither Christian wrath nor international pressure on the desecrators to lay down their arms and leave.


Palestinians celebrate Church of Nativity win, Israel notes they desecrated the site.
UNESCO Turns The Same Church Over To Palestinians That PLO Desecrated During Intifada
While Muslims have responded with deadly outrage to the now-retracted report by Newsweek of alleged Quran desecration by U.S. interrogators, there was little outcry three years ago when Islamic terrorists holed up in Bethlehem’s Church of the Nativity reportedly used the Bible as toilet paper.

The Israeli Prime Minister’s Office said at the time, “The world needs to remember that the Church of the Nativity, which is sacred to Christianity, has been desecrated in the past by Palestinian terrorists.”


Struggling to see in the darkness, Sandy Shahin, 24, held her infant daughter, Lourd, and sobbed as she gazed at the mess. She wiped away tears and lifted her shirt to her nose to guard against the stench. "I can't believe they did all these things," she said. "I can't believe that the place I come to pray, which used to be clean and smell so good, now smells like this. It looks like a garbage dump."

A room in the Franciscan convent was destroyed by a fire that the priests said was sparked when the army tried to break into the building. All the windows are broken, and materials that were to be used to build an organ were destroyed.

An Armenian Orthodox priest complained about what Palestinians did with an altar situated at the front of the sanctuary, the surface now littered with plastic forks, empty cans of peas and beans and plates encrusted with food. "They turned it into a table," said the priest, who would not give his name. "They desecrated it."

For two weeks, they endured the presence of two decomposing bodies, which were eventually carried out in makeshift coffins.

They slept on dirty blankets lining the sides of the church sanctuary, ate dinner on the wooden altar of the Armenian Orthodox and turned the small foyer near the tiny Door of Humility into a urinal. The more than 100 Palestinians who walked out of the Church of the Nativity yesterday after a 39-day standoff with the Israeli army left behind piles of old shoes, grungy blankets drenched with sweat and food turned green with mold. A baptismal font had been used to wash clothes and pots.

The Church of the Nativity in the heart of Bethlehem marks one of Christianity's most sacred sites - the birthplace of Christ.

Situated on Manger Square 8 kilometres (5 miles) from Jerusalem, the church is built over a grotto where the Virgin Mary is said to have given birth to Jesus. The church's large fortress-like exterior stands as a testament to its turbulent history. For centuries, it was one of the most fought over holy places. It was seized and defended by a succession of armies - including Muslim and Crusader forces.

The Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem is a major Christian holy site, as it marks the traditional place of Christ's birth. It is also one of the oldest surviving Christian churches.

The holy site, known as the Grotto, that the Church of the Nativity sits atop, is today associated with the cave in which the birthplace of Jesus of Nazareth occurred.

No wonder Mr. Sharon told the Israeli Parliament he would "expect the international community to demand that they the terrorists lay down their arms and leave the holy place."

One of Christianity's most holy places, the site's focal point is the Grotto of the Nativity, a rectangular cavern beneath the church that has been considered the site of Christ's birth since at least the 2nd century. A 14-pointed silver star set into the marble floor marks the precise spot where Jesus is said to have been born.

"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand-- Matthew 24:15

"When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation' standing where it does not belong--let the reader understand--then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains." Mark 13:14


Renee...

The Abomination that causes desolation....that's the most riled up I've seen you. Well done!!! All of those posts were excellent but this one today...reworded a little from the last one, was a home run!

Do you sleep??? Blessings....Steve




Steve,

I am on very high alert for the next 12 days or so. I truly believe we are about to see some amazing events take place. When I found out that Obama was going to go to the Church of the Nativity, I just could not believe it. I had written to some friends in late January that we should watch for the abomination to be set up on March 21 or 22, 2013. These were the dates that the Lord had shown to me. At that time, Obama had not scheduled any trip to Israel and I did not know what this abomination would be exactly. But if someone would have asked me what my #1 scenario would be, I would have told them that Obama going to the Church of the Nativity would be a definite "final nail in the coffin", so to speak - that this absolutely would qualify for the abomination taking place. That would have been my absolute #1 choice for the fulfillment of the prophecies. I know most Christians are looking at the Temple Mount as the "holy place", but I've been looking at the Church of the Nativity for 11 years, ever since the event back in 2002. I even remembered the date when this happened - April 2, 2002, the 6th day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. It stuck in my head all these years. Because I knew that part of this prophecy was fulfilled at that time - "His armed forces will rise up and desecrate the temple fortress and will stop the daily sacrifice." That is exactly, to the letter, what took place. Armed forces rose us and desecrated the temple fortress and stopped the daily communion, that Catholics believe is the daily sacrifice. They urinated in the foyer and used the Bible for toilet paper. Nearly every article you can read about this event mentions the word DESECRATE, as well as the word FORTRESS. And many use the words HOLY PLACE. I KNEW THIS WAS THE HOLY PLACE that was being talked about.

But even when I heard about Obama going to Israel, I didn't say anything about the Church of the Nativity to ANYONE because Obama was just supposed to go to Jerusalem. Many people were talking about the possibility that he would go to the Temple Mount, but in my mind, I was looking for him to go to Bethlehem. The day I found out he was going to the Church of the Nativity, a new fire came into me like never before. Because I knew, without any doubt, that this was the final fulfillment of the abomination that is talked about in Daniel, Matthew, and Mark. I cannot wait to see pictures of him standing in the holy place. Truly, this is the abomination that will cause the desolation. As if him riding through Jerusalem on the 10th of Nisan as the peacemaker of the world isn't enough, now he is going to Bethlehem, to the holy place.

I really do believe we just have days left until things begin to unravel. I'm so excited to see how all of these events start to unfold. If only the Jewish people would get out of the cities. I don't know how to convince them to flee to the mountains, but Jesus warned them that they needed to get out of the city when the abomination is set up, which should take place on Friday when Obama stands in the holy place. If only they could see and were not blinded.

Blessings,
Renee

P.S. Notice that Jesus says, "When you see STANDING in the holy place..." Obama did not kneel down at the grotto. Remember in the movie, "The Bible", showing on the History Channel this month, that when all the Kings of the East and shepherds saw the baby, they ALL kneeled down to worship Him (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zd2XABANjw watch starting at 1 hour). Matthew 2:11 - "On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they BOWED DOWN AND WORSHIPED HIM. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh." This is the appropriate response - kneeling before the King. Obama did not kneel, he just stood there, as Jesus prophesied that he would. One day, he will bow his knee. This ABOMINATION that we have all just witnessed will cause the desolation to take place. The abomination causes the desolation. Obama is an abomination to the Lord. DESOLATION = A STATE OF COMPLETE DESTRUCTION, DEVASTATION, AND RUIN.


Two days ago, the President said in Hebrew, “So long as there is a United States, you are not alone.” So, if there is no United States, Israel stands alone. Knock out the Queen to get to the King. Revelation 18:7-8: "In her heart she boasts, ‘I sit enthroned as queen. I am not a widow; I will never mourn.’ Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her: death, mourning and famine. She will be consumed by fire, for mighty is the Lord God who judges her." During his speech, US President Barack Obama said "Israel is the most powerful country in the region, and has the unshakable support of the strongest nation in the world." The desolation involves the Rapture of the firstfruits (or firstborn) to be protected for 1260 days (Revelation 12), the trampling of Jerusalem for 1260 days (Revelation 11:2), the start of the ministry of the 2 witnesses in sackcloth for 1260 days (Revelation 11:3) which I believe will be the left-behind Church and Israel, and the destruction of Babylon America.


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It is an interesting post with lots of cool pictures but the abomination of desolation does not happen in Bethlemen
It happens at the Temple, or Temple Mount
The distance between Bethlehem and the Temple mount is about 9km



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When the abomination that causes desolation takes place, Antichrist shall declare himself God.

2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

This abomination is the signal for the great tribulation, which shall begin the great persecution of Israel.

Matthew 24:15-22 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

This antichrist is revealed with all power, lying signs, and wonders. (2 Thessalonians 2:6-12) He shall demand the world's worship, and the world shall worship him. He will rule the entire world.

Revelation 13:7-8 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Obama is without a doubt an antichrist; however, he is NOT the Antichrist. He was not revealed with all power, lying signs, and wonders. He did not declare himself God above everything that is called God. He is not ruler of the entire world. The entire world is not mesmerized/worshipping him. He has not started massacring Jews and christians in earnest.

I do believe Obama is an agent for the antichrist and the global government. I also believe this new Pope is going to be the catalyst for the new world religion. He has already begun at break neck speed to call for inter-faith unity. We are without a doubt near the very doors of this tribulation period, but it has not begun yet.

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Doves,

Renee's post on the abomination taking place when O entered the church of the nativity and just stood there makes sense to me. If you think about it, all the signs are here except the rebuilt temple. And the fortress description of the church of the nativity lines up perfectly with scripture.

Looking at Mark 13 where the abomination of desolation is referenced in verse 11, I noticed something further in that chapter. Verse 24 - "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 and the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together the elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of earth to the uttermost part of heaven."

The sun darkened... there's a solar eclipse on May 10, 2013 - an annular eclipse where the sun appears in a bright ring around the moon.

The moon shall not give her light... there's a partial lunar eclipse on April 25, 2013. (moongiant.com)

And the stars of heaven shall fall... the asteroid and meteorites keep falling to the earth lately.

The powers of heaven shaken... some disaster about to happen.

Then the description of the rapture.

Good post Renee!

Come quickly Lord Jesus!

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I've enjoyed reading your site.

What do you think about DanielsTimeline.com? God speaks the language of the
times, so Daniel's future years would likely fit our years without any
recalculation. Right? Thus, using the UN declaration to restore and rebuild
the fig tree nation Israel, we calculate: 1947 + 62 + 7 = 2016. Subtract 3
1/2 years and you have spring of 2013 (March 20-22 are after winter and
before the Sabbath!).

Does President Obama's Trip to Israel fulfil Daniel, John, and Jesus'
prophesies? (Dates coincide with prediction over 8 years ago by
DanielsTimeline.com)

Note: Apparently, underlying Hebrew does not say that the Antichrist will
actually stop the sacrifices, or place the abomination, or stop an offering.
These, and the temple being rebuilt, are all apparently wrong assumptions by
man.

1. Exactly 1260 days previous to March 22, 2013, on October 9, 2009, Obama
was given the Nobel peace prize. Also, in early 2009 the new President Obama
confirmed peace treaties with Israel, etc.

2. On March 20-22, 2013 President Obama traveled to Israel confirming a
"Covenant of [Many] Peoples" (Daniel 9:27 ). He promised Israel an eternal
covenant. How could any person, considering himself mortal, promise and
everlasting covenant?

3. There was an order to stop at least one group from sacrificing a lamb.
Police confiscated at least one lamb recently.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/wap/Item.aspx?type=0&item=166560. The
award given by the Prime Minister to Obama could be the "offering".

4. Obama entered Jerusalem on the donkey symbol of the Democratic Party on
Nisan 10 ( March 21 ), same date as Jesus' triumphal entry. He has been
declared several times in the media and by many people as a messiah.
Recently a music star declared him as "god and our savior", etc.

5. His administration showed a graphical "image" of the State of Israel that
cut Jerusalem and the Temple Mount out of Israel and placed it back under
gentile/Palestinian control (i.e. an abomination). The Dome of the Rock is
also an abomination or detestable thing on the Temple Mount.

6. There was an ice sculpture created in Obama's image.

7. President Obama entered the holy site of Jesus' birth on March 22.

8. This all happened after winter (March 20) and the day before
Sabbath/Saturday March 23 ( Matt. 24:15-21 ).

What do you think? Just coincidence?

Bruce





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