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While Yahusha/JESUS was alive, He prayed to His Father: "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. John 17:15 (KJV)
Yahusha/JESUS gave signs of what must happen before His Return: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:" Matt. 24:29 (KJV)
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Yahusha is I Am That I Am (Exodus 3:14)
Yahusha is YHWH come in the flesh, He put aside His Diety to become a human, born of a Virgin.
Yahusha is the Word, As The Most High, He spoke all things seen and unseen into existence
When YHWH created Light, He was revealed to the angels.
"the breath of life"
But the Comforter, which is "the breath of life", whom the Father will send shall teach you all things.
God is not His Name but a term. The Holy Spirit is not a person but the very Breath of the Father.
There is no Trinity. The Father, YHVH and Yahusha are One (John 10:30)
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The book of Second Peter and Jude Authenticate the book of Enoch and Vice Versa
Yahusha/JESUS QUOTED FROM THE SEPTUAGINT:
THE APOSTLES QUOTED FROM THE SEPTUAGINT
JEWS WERE CONVERTING TO CHRISTIANITY
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Pray for one another, as we watch for the Lord's return!
Steven what fascinates me is that we begin to understand fully the prophecy when the time is really at the door!!!
Now it is almost sure that the mid tribulation or some says great tribulation or tribulation (depending on which theory you hold :)) will begin on March 21st, 2013 as the 112th Pope will likely be chosen on March 2013 before the Passover.
Now, something big should happen between NOW and END of March 2013 either the Rapture (the best scenario and I favor a lot of this of course), or sudden destruction, or short wars or some short chaotic events (as some believed we will have to go through this and many visions about this too :)), therefore I think for sure our redemption is really at hands. The scenarios might be different from what we expected but for sure we are saved under Yahshua Our God, Our Savior.
Every day is an interesting day to watch!
I saw the video and Mr. Brouton makes a very good case. However, I am confused over a couple of issues in his presentation. If March 22nd of this year is the abomination of deolation, then where is the temple where the
a/c will appear and where are the sacrifices that he will stop?
Great questions.....let me try to answer....
The rabbi's have a saying......the scriptures have 70 different layers of meaning.
One Example is when the pharisees and saduccess were speaking with JESUS
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.
24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,
25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.
1 Cor 3:16-23
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;
22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;
23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
Another point that is NOT well publized is the fact that ALL the Rabbi's have agreed to temple sacrifices in Israel ( They took rocks out of the Jordan River to make the altar ) and have been doing this for at least a year or so....( the sky is considered the roof of the temple )
So my point is we may NOT have all the information of things are taking place but we CAN TRUST GOD's WORD.
7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHEN?
There is a multitude of verses concerning the Lord’s return and even an admonishment from Him saying, “Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that you do not discern this time?” That one verse should be proof enough that we should know, but He is not just going to plainly spell it out lest the wicked should understand.
We also know there are NO idle words in the Word of God. If therefore, it is not meant for us to understand or know the time of His coming, would not’t all the verses with clues pertaining to the time of His return be counted as idle words?
Here are only a few of many verses telling us that God will teach us all things; He will show us things that are to come which includes the return of His Son; And God says and He will show His servants things that must shortly be done. In Daniel, We are given a definite sequence of years that can now be understood. Just being able to understand things that have been a mystery for centuries should be a huge clue to us that time is short and approaching when all things will be finished.
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
Revelation 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings [are] faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to show unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret [things belong] unto the LORD our God: but those [things which are] revealed [belong] unto us and to our children for ever, that [we] may do all the words of this law.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Thessalonians-1 5:4-5 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
THE SOUGHT AFTER 70TH WEEK
Now, turning our attention to Daniel, the angel sent to him told Daniel to understand, so lets see what we can understand beginning in Daniel 9:23:
Daniel 9:23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to show [thee]; for thou [art] greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.
The simplicity is astonishing. We are going to read it just like it literally is presented, and apply it to a graph. Beginning with Daniel 9:24 we will plot each verse individually. Daniel is now told that 70 weeks are given to make an end of sin and to anoint the most Holy. With both accomplished, (1) no sin and (2) the Most Holy anointed, it can only mean one thing; from some type of a starting point there is a 70 week period until God’s rest starts:
Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
I pray this helps you somewhat.
Now about the AC?
Well that is why everyone is so excited about the resignation of the pope.
Many believe that the pope sucessor will be the 'false prophet'
'satan' likes to mimic God so remember how before Jesus came John the baptist?
well many expect the 'false prophet' to come before the 'ac'
We are all 'watching' to see if this is the case........
So on March 22 2013 we "may" get more answers.......we are 'watching' to find out.
Again I pray this helps you to understand.
Well I read from another forum one piece of information that Mr. O will be in Israel to offer the peace treaty agreement for 7 years dividing Yerusalem with the payment to Israel as the right to build the temple !!!
Wow, if that's true, it seems our 7 years last week of Daniel is up upon us. I know this will be a different timeline...
Yes.....I posted some articles about 7 year timeline is still in 'play'
I posted some articles about that today.
I'm not arguing the points......:)
THIS IS an OPEN FORUM and ALL timelines are discussed..
So never feel afraid to share other timelines from other forums!
That other forum must ONLY BE pretrib rapture forum?
This forum allows all positions to be discussed.
Just remember to be encouraging, edifying with comments.
Thank you Gimel for your excellent posts on this site!
Here is the post I mentioned I posted early this morning!
Yes, I agree with the idea that the March 22nd date may be the beginning of a seven year time line rather than the mid trib point as that would allow time for the Psalms 83 war, the Gog/Magog war, a confirmed covenant, the sealing of the 144,000, the formation of the one world government, the building of a temple or setting up the tabernacle like the Jews had in the wilderness, the resumption of the blood sacrifices, etc. That is my opinion and I could certainly be off track.
Steven thank you for your kindness in allowimg various theories and ideas. We are certainly on the cusp of something huge that will usher in the major portions of the end time prophecies. I look forward to their fulfillment.
Thanks Steven, I still believe 7 years tribulation will happen and currently not yet happen.
The information these days are mounting and difficult to follow without sacrificing a lot of your time. Even just to glance and read it by scheming it is hard to do. I have tried it and it took about 2 to 3 hours a day just for scheming all the news not only in this forum but also some others including liberal media news this including listening some "domestic" news and weather channels :) but outside my personal email/news.
So sometimes, my replied to one posting is way too late :)
And I hope if anybody watches videos posted here, please give some short resume about it so that I can think whether I want to watch it or just scheme it. Like Dewey's video, at last I decided to watch it jumping around of course and it turned out to be really good but certainly not short and not straight to the point style.
I like the presentation of pyramid style instead of pyramid inverse style. Most of the presentations in youtube videos so far is inverted pyramid style, kind like giving big question mark of where to go and that's not American scientific style.
Only some youtube videos are done in pyramid style. Some of them are catching eyes such as Perry Stone, Joe Richardson, Walid Shoebat, Tom Horn and many others. They know we have limited time to read or watch so in the beginning they have already given us the nuggets and later on explaining the reasoning of the nuggets and the consequences of them. Some other just simply didn't give any nuggets in the front and made me in pain of guessing what did the speaker want to talk about actually. If possible all videos should be the pyramid style.
Just a little thought of many videos I have seen :)
I use this site and the facebook site to encourage, exhort and edify the saints.
It may not be popular but by sharing all points of view.... I can reach....many more people......
I personally would like it to be a seven year pre tribulation but the scriptures do not bear this out......
The pre Wrath is more accurate and inline with scripture.......
Many will be deceived and fall away in the last days....
PreWrath is not popular and is not going to make people 'feel good' but it is more scripturally accurate position than the pre tribulation traditional position.
FACEBOOK gets way more comments too!
God has brought 343 people so far to FACEBOOK site and I get an average of 100 posts a day on FACEBOOK.
This site Rapture bible prophecy forum gets about 6000 ( six thousand visits a week )
I'm amazed at the lack of understanding of scripture as a whole by the body of Christ.
Many do not read the bible for themselves and listen to teachers, pastors who do not teach scriptures but teach what their denominations propagate.
Pre Tribulation is not a very scriptural stance even the seminaries who teach it do not believe it but continue to 'spit out' pastors teaching this doctrine......
I pray God will lead you to the right videos to 'watch' and that God will grant you 'time' to read, pray and be able to also provide for your family!!!
March 22 2013 is coming soon I wonder what is going to happen if anything???
By the way March 22 2013 is NOT a date the pre tribulation rapture people located or look to.....
Thanks Steven for your praying, I don't have a facebook and I don't want to create one for my personal reasons :) I just want to keep my identity not known openly. Can I say as safety or security reasons.
My beliefs in the rapture always evolve from one to another but at the end I always start with the best hope: Pre-tribulation rapture. Then, when I feel strongly tribulation has begun and not yet been raptured, will shift to midtrib and or prewrath rapture. Then when those two not occur I will shift to the post trib.
Qustion like do I prepare if the rapture not happen as in pretrib predict? Of course I prepared that but not many because of my difficult financial situation right now.
Do I prepare a place of safety if the rapture not happen when the tribulation starts? NO! Because I don't have enough capability to finance all of that. But I pray everyday to Jesus to release us from the coming tribulation. "And lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil" kind of prayer everyday. That makes me to rely on Jesus for my "future" escape.
The rapture itself could be debatable, is it really the rapture or only supernaturally we will be translated by faith to one safe area where the tribulation (great tribulation) cannot reach that place like Goshen land in the time of Moses. Historically, Noach not taken from the world but in the world but is separated from the rest of the people. Lot is also taken from the city but not from the world. So, .... I don't know and just trust Jesus but I really hope the best one for I and my family relying on Jesus only. Don't have much to keep right now just enough for live day by day ....:)
I'm with you!
Jesus is all we need!
Jesus will keep us and if HE chooses not to we will not bow to pagan 'gods'
17 If that is the case, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and He will deliver us from your hand, O king. 18 But if not, let it be known to you, O king, that we do not serve your gods, nor will we worship the gold image which you have set up."
19 Saved in Fiery Trial
Then Nebuchadnezzar was full of fury, and the expression on his face changed toward Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego. He spoke and commanded that they heat the furnace seven times more than it was usually heated. 20 And he commanded certain mighty men of valor who were in his army to bind Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, and cast them into the burning fiery furnace. 21 Then these men were bound in their coats, their trousers, their turbans, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace. 22 Therefore, because the king's command was urgent, and the furnace exceedingly hot, the flame of the fire killed those men who took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego. 23 And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar was astonished; and he rose in haste and spoke, saying to his counselors, "Did we not cast three men bound into the midst of the fire?"
They answered and said to the king, "True, O king."
25 "Look!" he answered, "I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God."
God bless you Gimel. I pray for your peace. Theories abound on the various rapture scenarios and just when you buy into one, a new study pops up that tries to disprove what we have come to believe.
Bottom line. It really doesn't matter. Many christians alive tonight will die before any rapture takes place and they will instantly be with God. Our hope is not in the rapture....pre trib...pre wrath...post trib....etc. Our hope is in Jesus and Him alone. Take no thought for tomorrow and live each day to the fullest as a gift from God. He is in total control and He has not given us a spirit of fear.
May God give you the peace that passes all understanding.
I'm sorry I have to disagree with you.
Please show me scripture where it doesn't matter?
We are commanded to "watch" for the rapture.
We are told the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ also is important.
How you made the leap to the conclusion it is not important is a bit baffling.
Please show me scripture that says it's not important.
I was shocked when you first wrote it but was hoping someone with a password would comment. ( over 70 ) people have passwords to this site and I was hoping for others to chime in but since they haven't I will.
Jesus commands us to 'watch' so if Jesus commands us to watch then I figure it must be important.
Let me share a thought:
Let's say I'm a little boy around 5 years of age and it is morning.....
My father gives me a hug on his way to work.......
It is now later in the day ( the same day ) and time for my father to come home.......
Cars pass by my home one after another........finally I hear a car pull in the driveway.......my father has just come home....the door opens.......my father enters..........now which which scenario do you think would bring JOY to MY FATHER.....
Scenario A or B
A. I sit in front of the tv while my father enters and continue watching cartoons or whatever......
B. I run to the the door and when MY FATHER enters...I HUG his leg!!!
Which do you think would bring JOY to MY FATHER?
Let me just say I can not wait to hug MY FATHER!!!
God is in control...not us, Dewey Bruton, or anyone else. I have followed date certain events before only to have them fizzle out and see christians left in a state of depression and dis-illusionment.
My point was that many christians will die and not see the rapture and for us to argue with one another as to timing is a bit off balance for the good fellowship we should be having due to our born again status in Christ. Thus it doesn't matter as to timing, because God will provde for those who are His just as he always has. Should we watch? Sure....Jesus said to watch. But He also showed us what happens when people give up watching, as many have done when man made dates have come and gone with no rapture taking place on the dates predicted.
Our hope should be in Jesus, not in a collection of "possible" dates set by a man that will likely come and go with no major events attached. The rapture will happen when it happens and we will not know exactly when that will be.
As for verses to corroborate my views.......
2 Timothy 2: 23-24....Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,
Your rapture view, my rapture view and someone else's rapture view should not be something that divides us nor something to be argued about. If we die before the rapture, then the living christians will be the ones "left behind" because the dead christians will immediately be in the presence of the Lord. Likely, there will be those who will die a physical death on the very day of the rapture. Is that a bad thing? I think not. They get to rise first.
Are we in the end times? I certainly believe we are. Will Mr. Bruton's date be significant? Don't know. It might. We shall see. But I would not base my joy on it.
Anyone who has spent anytime on this site and read or viewed the videos would know it all revolves around JESUS and making HIM known.
Now when Jesus says to WATCH the signs then: I watch! , to say or insinuate that it is not important to WATCH is in the very least misleading.
If you have ever seen a post by me that says otherwise please correct me.
Now about foolish conversation it may be foolishness to you the DISCUSSION of the time of the rapture but it is not foolish to WATCH and DISCUSS....but to argue and attack people about the timing of the rapture is foolish.
=Kinda like saying it's not important since JESUS said to WATCH I would say it is foolish NOT to WATCH.
If you take the scriptures in context then it is IMPORTANT but if you take the scripture out of context then anything the bible says can be considered foolishness.
Now about Dewey Bruton....He was simply following JESUS command to WATCH and shared his (dewey bruton ) 30 years of study on the subject.
Too many people do not know scripture and give opinion when they do not properly put the scriptures in CONTEXT.
A class or book on HUERMANUTICS is very valuable in these days.
(also reading the bible cover to cover over and over is very valuable the more you study the WORD of God the more you can see scripture taken out of CONTEXT. )
We all are learning daily who study the scriptures.
2 Tim 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Gen 1:1 - 2 Tim 2:17
15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.
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