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When do you think the Rapture of the church will take place??

PreTrib
MidTrib
PreWrath
PostTrib


What year do you think the rapture will be?

2012
2013
2014
2015

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Pretrib
Prewrath

2012
2013

Hi Gimel, interesting choices, could you elaborate on your thoughts, i look forward to your reply.

May 20th - 27th, be alert everyone !
John 3:16

Blessings to all !

Hi Bob, I don't have any long answer because my choices also depend on the "prove" that this site provided.

Short answer:
Pretrib: well, what is your common sense talking about the current condition: are we in tribulation already? I don't think so ... therefore Pretrib might hold as well. Perry Stone has a wonderful teaching about the marriage of the Lamb using Jewish traditional marriage setting which I think will be fulfilled accordingly but the only thing we don't know is the time. When those things begin to happen?

Prewrath: well, at the same time Ron Reese provided what I thought also compelling evidence of the probability that O is the AC. How to resolve these two different opinions? Both have merit in that we will be delivered literally just right before the sudden destruction. This could mean two things: either Pretrib or Prewrath but not midtrib or postrib. I didn't hold midtrib because simply they said we have been in tribulation. Prewrath could say that maybe tribulation is only 42 months in the last seven years. Make sense, so I hold these two opinions till other evidences come up.

2012: we know all that may point to end of Dec 2012 and some even toward Rosh Hosannah 2012 based on Pyramid, Mayans, It-ching, Masonic's prophecy, possible allignment based on Biblical prophecy ... so on.

2013: though some other calculation points to 2013 ... I don't know but I think these two years should serve if we want to stick to pretrib or prewrath.
It doesn't make many differences imo pretrib or prewrath, just holding full 7 years of 42 months. Both have supporting evidences. Though it is easier to prove Ron Reese's argument as it involves definite time. By end of this year, if nothing happens, simply Ron Reese and Mathman are wrong in their calculation, but till that passed, we cannot say anything in confident.

And Bob, what do you think of your own opinion?

Hi Gimel, thanks for sharing your thoughts.
As for my thoughts, i lean towards a " PRE WRATH " position, remembering Noah and the flood, Lot and Sodom, and also that the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation are the wrath of "satan ", not Gods wrath, scripture says we are " not appointed to wrath ", but i do believe we will have to indure satans wrath,and i am not certain we are in the seven years yet ?
Also the pre trib. and post trib. beliefs have some " holes in them, or loose ends if you will, the pre wrath position seems to have no loose ends.
I would urge you to watch Robert Vankampens videos on the pre wrath rapture position.

Blessings to all,, soon, very soon people !

Thanks Bob for your thought.

I might believe in prewrath only if there is a strong explanation of how traditional Jewish marriage be applied. So far the only excellent conclusion can be drawn from Perry Stone's teaching that Steven posted here too. I really believe Yahshua will fulfill the traditional Jewish marriage as everything he said was easily understood from the point of view of Jewish traditional marriage even to the word of Yahshua. This includes some parables that Yahshua used too.
This Jewish traditional marriage has strong relation to 7 years tribulation or simply 7 final week since I am not necessarily hold to 7 years tribulation length but could only be 3.5 years.
Especially since 2011 passed and more likely too this June and July 2012 passed too, I now tend to be pretrib instead of pre-wrath in some sense. Definitely I am not a midtrib or postrib, but probably pretrib with tribulation length only 3.5 years in addition to 7 years marriage of the Lamb.

Nice to have shared our thoughts ...