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Mathman: "If I were a deceiver, I would write "The Book of Enoch""


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MathMan (4 Apr 2012)
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Dear Doves,


I will not be getting into any debates as to whether certain books should possibly be added to the Bible. An example of such book includes the Book of Enoch, but I have also heard of many others (such as the Book of Jubilees, Thomas, etc.).


As a prelude to what I am about to write, all I can say is this: “If I were a deceiver, I would have written The Book of Enoch”.


So what in the world do I mean by that? If you rely on the Book of Enoch, you may even be insulted right now. However, THAT is not the purpose of this post. The purpose of this post is to outline a possible strategy that COULD have been used by Satan.


Allow me to illustrate. If I were Satan looking to deceive, and in order to enhance my credibility as a deceiver particularly to believers, I would look through the Bible and see if any “unknown” documents were ever referenced. One example of such reference in the Bible is to something that Enoch had to say. Ideally, such “unknown” teachings would have been long lost with no one knowing exactly what teachings were contained in such supposed document.


Therefore, if I wanted to be heard, read and listened to, creating such a “lost document” from scratch would be a great place to start for an excellent deception. In other words, by writing a book that is “loosely referenced” by the Bible, I would then hope someone would be deceived into believing that my “Book of Enoch” is the one being referenced in the Word. The ultimate deception would be if this person was a follower of Jesus and actually believed it was a lost writing from the Lord.


I am NOT saying this is how it HAD to have happened with respect to the Book of Enoch, just that this is how it COULD have happened. If I was Satan, this just seems to be a “logical approach” to putting into place a deceptive document. This would be based on a derivation of Satan’s classic deception of “but did God really say this”, but instead using “but did God NOT really ALSO say this”.



To reiterate, I am not getting into any debates on the Book of Enoch (or any other POSSIBLE “supplemental Bible book” . That is not the purpose of this post. Instead, I just wanted to take the time to at least point out a possible tactic that I would personally use if I were Satan and wanted a false book to be perceived with maximum impact as the “real deal”, even by believers.



CONCLUSION: Is the Book of Enoch a heretical document? Again, the purpose of this post was not to answer this question. I will let others attempt to answer this. The purpose of this post is simply to outline a clever tactic a deceiver COULD use to make a deceptive document as believable as possible, even to believers.



And now, I will end this post with the best and clearest message of all. My brothers and sisters in Christ, we are on the brink of our long awaited and longed for Departure. The Trumpet is being polished for use and in the very near future the Father will be telling the Son to call up His Bride for the best wedding of eternity!! I can hardly wait!! Soon, very soon, we will be high-fiving in the sky with our precious Lord Jesus!!



YbiC, MathMan



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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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Barry Amundsen (5 Apr 2012)
"Re: Mathman, "If I were a deceiver, I would write the Book of Enoch""


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Mathman,

MathMan (4 Apr 2012)
"If I were a deceiver, I would write "The Book of Enoch""


Would you also have overpowered the Holy Spirit at the moment that He was inspiring Jude to write his epistle and deceive Jude into believing that this book that you, as the devil wrote was written by Enoch in order to get an endorsement into his epistle by way of a direct quote attributed to "Enoch seventh from Adam" (which there is only one person who can fit that description, not some team of writers thousands of years later)?

Jude 1:
14. And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15. To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Enoch 1:
9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones

To execute judgement upon all,

And to destroy all the ungodly:



And to convict all flesh

Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,

And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.






So, that would make greater is he who is in the world than He who is in us if the devil could do that. It is far easier for me to believe that God is able to inspire certain writings but keep them separate from the common canon in order to give them a place that only those to whom God wishes to share them will be inclined to look at them and be able and willing to receive that they are of God. This has always been God's chosen way. He hides His precious things among the common things in order to confound the world. Jesus was born in an ordinary stable surrounded by ordinary animals and no one but a few shepherds even knew because they were told by angels. Then when He was grown He appeared to be just a man so that those with discernment could come to hear Him and observe His mighty works and believe and see that He was so much more than a man while those with no discernment would say that he was just a man who blasphemes and does works by the power of the devil. You see the pattern here? It must be so that if one does not accept the things that are of God, he will ultimately attribute those things to the works of the devil which you sir have just done.



Therefore, I conclude that it is not really the Book of Enoch on trial here but each one of us to see where we will line up just as Jesus was not on trial really but those who heard Him to see who would believe Him or not. If you do not trust Jude to be a witness for God but dismiss his endorsement of this book then where is your foundation and on what do you place your trust? Is it on modern scholars who must then be MORE inspired that Jude was? Maybe this is why this same Jude said in the latter days it would be necessary for us to earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. Again I will say that you are free to believe as you like but as for me, I'll side with Jude on this one and I believe with the Holy Spirit as well whom I believe inspired Jude to write what he wrote. I therefore make no apologies for earnestly contending in this manner. I caution you that call Jude a liar and advise you to consider who it really was that told Jude what to write. When the quote is nearly word for word can you question still that it is authentic? What then would it take to convince one that something is of God?



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Kevin Heckle (5 Apr 2012)
"Mathman: The Book of Enoch - Jude thought it was God's Word"

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Mathman,


It’s my understanding that the real Book of Enoch originates sometime around 300BC. The early church knew of it and its included in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Jude apparently considered it authoritative, that is God’s Word as he quoted the Book of Enoch.


Compare:

Jude 1:14-15 KJV - [14] And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, [15] To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.


Enoch 1: 9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgment upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh
Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.


It is said that the Jews rejected this book partially because it contained prophecies concerning Christ.

I used to think of the Book of Enoch just as you. However, I changed my mind when I recognized Jude’s acceptance of it. He would be far more qualified than any of us here at Fivedoves to make that judgment, having been a penman himself for the Holy Spirit.

YBIC,

Kevin H.





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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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Re: Mathman: "If I were a deceiver, I would write "The Book of Enoch""


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"Michael, what do you then do with Jude? also answering one of Patti C's earlier questions"




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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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Melodie (6 Apr 2012)
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I too read my bible every day and have read it several times. I have also read the Book of Enoch and it is fascinating. There are an abundance of gospel references in the Book of Enoch and the bible also references the Book of Enoch. God told Enoch to write the book and gave him time to do it before taking him from the earth. I would recommend reading it for anyone that has the spirit, discernment and is very acquainted with the bible. I do know that the Ethiopian bible contains both the Book of Enoch and the Book of Jubilees which the traditional english bibles do not contain. I also know that the Ethiopians were worshipping God at the temple in Jerusalem along with Solomon and continue to worship God to this day.

I was disheartened to hear that so many doves claim it is not inspired, or written by the devil to deceive but I also understand that God does not give everyone eyes to see or ears to hear. If I were you I would get the book and read it, I think you would be amazed and inspired by it. I have only read books 1 and 2, not book 3 yet. Once you have an adequate understanding of God and who He is and have read the passages regarding Enoch then it certainly makes the bible clearer to read the book.

I have taken things with much prayer and asked for wisdom and understanding as well as discernment in the bible and the Book of Enoch. I felt it was quite a blessing. I also follow the ten commandments which many "christians" felt were nailed to the cross for some odd reason. After reading from Genesis to Revelations and being warned throughout the bible by both God and Jesus in both the old and new testament that we are to follow His commandments and obey them if we truly love God. John 14:21 really sums it up. I put more credence into the words that God and Jesus spoke as truth than what man tends to say or believe based on what they both say in the bible.

I do not want to offend anyone or have any debate regarding either the Book of Enoch or the Ten Commandments as I do study my bible consistently and am not going to get into any type of division, strife or dissensions - as in Galatians 5. I do not believe that everyone should read the Book and many would not understand or get anything from it as they are not yet ready or able to understand.

God Bless and I hope this helps with your question. Melodie

1 John 4:20 If anyone says, I love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar and God is not in him.


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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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Re: Mathman: "If I were a deceiver, I would write "The Book of Enoch""


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MathMan (9 Apr 2012)
"The Book of Enoch"


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Dear Doves,

Clarification: I have no clue whether the Book of Enoch was inspired or not. I have not even read it. That was not the purpose of my post on it ( if you re-read it you will see what my point was ).

When someone like Kevin Heckle talks positively about this book, I sit up and take notice. I am now interested in reading this myself. If someone could forward a link to a trusted copy of the Book of Enoch, I would love to read this.

My apologies for any misunderstandings on my post on this subject.

YbiC, MathMan




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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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Nando (11 Apr 2012)
"April 9, 2012 to Mathman a link tot he Book of Enoch"

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I hope this helps.
Nando

http://reluctant-messenger.com/1enoch01-60.htm




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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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