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"Patti C (23 March 2012) "ARE THE SONS OF GOD FALLEN ANGELS?""


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Re: Patti C (23 March 2012) "ARE THE SONS OF GOD FALLEN ANGELS?"

> > Therefore, the sons of God in this scenario would then be the righteous descendants of Seth, the son of Adam. The daughters of men should be seen as women born outside the righteous line of Seth's family tree. This interpretation and precept of family marrying outside the line of righteous descendants is one that is parallels Bible scriptures of later times, as God forbid the marriage of Israelite men to women outside of the nation of Israel.

> > The men of Seth's family saw the beauty of unrighteous women and decided to marry them. They then fell into apostasy and God saw they would never recover.

> > Therefore, it does not profit the student of the Bible to follow the teachings of scholars who believe the "sons of God" were fallen angels who married the "daughters of men" and perceive this as the basis of God's grief which resulted in God's judgment. But, it does profit man to see God as a God of justice and man is held accountable for the way he chooses to live. Fallen angels had nothing to do with His judgment against fallen man.


> > "Fallen angels" an incorrect interpretation of the word "Giants"
Genesis 6:4 (KJV) - There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

> > "Fallen angels marrying the daughters of men" is an incorrect interpretation of scriptures.


> > "ARE THE SONS OF GOD FALLEN ANGELS?"

Yes.


I am convinced that ben elohiym in Gen 1:6 refers to fallen angels. There were literal giants on Earth. Their bones have been found. Goliath was a giant. Og’s bed was 13.5 ft long.

De 3:11 says, “For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits ( 18” x 9 = 162 ) ( 162 divided by 12 = 13.5 ft ) was the length thereof, and four cubits ( 6 ft ) the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man” ( 18” ).

No 6 or even 7 ft man needs a bed 13.5 ft long.

I went to one of R.B. Thieme’s tape conferences when he was teaching on this subject. Someone asked to talk to him during the break. He said, “No.” He explained that he needed the rest and that he wasn’t going to change his mind. He had studied Hebrew and Greek many many years, and said that in every instance, ben ha elohiym referred to fallen angels. Thieme studied constantly. If anyone could figure this out, he could, and I think he was right.

I believe the giants were the main workmen Adam, Seth, Enoch and their children hired to build the Pyramid of Giza and are the ones who refused to put the cornerstone on the apex because it would have made the pyramid 5776 inches tall. That is the year of the Day of God’s Wrath and the Second Advent of Christ. Satan obviously knew then exactly how much time he had to try to win the Angelic Conflict.

There were some giants after Noah’s Flood. God obviously allowed this for his own purposes. Think about David and Goliath. David slew Goliath with a stone. That was a type. On the Feast of Trumpets, Sept 14, 2015, another stone, the asteroid Wormwood that Satan lives on, will impact Earth and obliterate literal Babylon.

Isa 22:16-19 says, “What hast thou here ( Babylon )? and whom hast thou here ( the False Prophet ), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he ( Satan ) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (i.e., Wormwood)? 17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. 18 He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. 19 And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down.”

1Ch 20:4-6 says, “And it came to pass after this, that there arose war at Gezer with the Philistines; at which time Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Sippai, that was of the CHILDREN OF THE GIANT: and they were subdued. 5 And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the BROTHER OF GOLIATH the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver's beam. 6 And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of GREAT STATURE, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot: and he also was the SON OF THE GIANT.

2Sa_21:20 says, “And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a MAN OF GREAT STATURE, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was BORN TO THE GIANT.”


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Mike Plunkett (24 March 2012)
"To PATTI C and ALL DOVES.........ABOUT THE SONS OF GOD and the FALLEN ANGELS!"


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Hi Patti,

I haven't been on lately due to illness and business, but I saw your study about the Sons of God of Genesis 6:4....and felt compelled to share the "Truth" with you about this subject. I have been led by the Holy Ghost for years in my search for answers surrounding this subject, and my spirit has finally rested upon the TRUTH of this matter!

Are you familiar with Jude 1:6?

Jude 1:6.....And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

This is talking about the fallen ANGELS of Genesis 6:4.....There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


You already know that the book of Jasher is referenced in the Bible at Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18, so Jasher is legit as far as the Bible is concerned! Jasher 4:18 says,

And their judges and rulers went to the daughters of men and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice, and the sons of men in those days took from the cattle of the earth, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other, in order therewith to provoke the Lord; And God saw the whole earth and it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon earth, all men and all animals.

Judges and rulers were the supernatural beings from heaven ( FALLEN ANGELS ) that forsook their places, spoken of in Jude 1:6. They were ANGELS with supernatural powers!!! SO YES, they did RULE over mankind and thus JUDGE them however they desired! Their purpose was LUST of the human FLESH! But SATAN used them to try and contaminate the seed of man. But NOAH was PURE in his generations, thus, he was the only (PURE Uncontaminated) bloodline to be saved to repopulate the earth so that the messiah could come. These ANGELS were like Gods to mankind! So they deceived man into worshipping them and made them slaves. All the so called MYTHS of old, are REAL! These beings built all the great structures of the earth!


You see, the mixing of DNA was the big deal! The angels forsook their places in the heavens to gain sexual gratification with the flesh of mankind.....A NO-NO in Gods creation. They were not allowed to return to heaven after they did this deed, so when their offspring, the giants, died, their spirits became demons. Most of the fallen angels were locked up until their judgement day. Angels can manifest themselves as humans. They can eat, drink, walk and talk! But they were originally suppose to WATCH the earth and mankind and prod us along in our development. They are also called WATCHERS! Instead, they started teaching mankind all kinds of evil, war, fighting with weapons, chanting, drugs, mixing of DNA...even man with animals! You have heard about myths of centaurs and other such animals, like the sphinx at the pyramid of Giza, half animal and half man. These were REAL live Beings!!!!

Let me ask you a question. How tall do you think the giants were that were created by the mixing of ANGEL DNA and HUMAN DNA?

AMOS 2: 9......Yet destoyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit from above, and his roots from below.

Cedars can grow as high as 30-70 feet tall!!!! How can the seed of Seth, a man, be combined with the seed of a WO-MAN produce a GIANT? It DOES NOT FIT THE PUZZLE!

Genesis 6:4......There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that,..............

After the flood, the scene was repeated with more fallen angels, as it mentions that it happened again....also after that! After the flood some more angels must have done it again. This time the Israelites were faced with the giants when they came to take the promised land at Numbers 13:33.......And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

So all through the old testament God had told the Israelites to wipe out the giants! But they didn't. So mankind has been thoroughly contaminated by mixing of the seed, as stated in Daniel 2: 43......And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. 44.....And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

Patti, I love your enthusiasm! But find it wise to be careful when teaching others. Put your oppinion out there and then let it stew with prayers and input from other like minded souls. The Lord will eventually lead us to the TRUTH! There can only be ONE TRUTH! We are all part of the whole, so each of us add something to it. But it is very important to make straight a misguided turn here or there to help everyone else to correct what they may have learned from you, me or someone else. This theme is throughout history and very well documented. One must only dig up the nuggets. If anyone has anything to add for further sanctification, please let us all know.


Some good authors on this subject are: Tom Horn and Chuck Missler!

Keep up your great love of the word, Patti.

your friend and BIC,

Michael P.





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Barry Amundsen (24 March 2012)
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Ezra was given a charge by God to write down what God dictates to him saying that this knowledge was for the last days when evil would become great and truth would be rare and confused due to widespread falsehood. But then God gave a very interesting command to Ezra regarding what he was to write. He said part of this I want you to publicize for everyone and the other part I want you to give in secret only to the wise. Notice the charge at the bottom which I emphasize with bold, underlined text.


4Ezra 14:

16 - For evils worse than those which you have now seen happen shall be done hereafter.

17 - For the weaker the world becomes through old age, the more shall evils be multiplied among its inhabitants.

18 - For truth shall go farther away, and falsehood shall come near. For the eagle which you saw in the vision is already hastening to come."

19 - Then I answered and said, "Let me speak in thy presence, Lord.

20 - For behold, I will go, as thou hast commanded me, and I will reprove the people who are now living; but who will warn those who will be born hereafter? For the world lies in darkness, and its inhabitants are without light.

21 - For thy law has been burned, and so no one knows the things which have been done or will be done by thee.

22 - If then I have found favor before thee, send the Holy Spirit into me, and I will write everything that has happened in the world from the beginning, the things which were written in thy law, that men may be able to find the path, and that those who wish to live in the last days may live."

23 - He answered me and said, "Go and gather the people, and tell them not to seek you for forty days.

24 - But prepare for yourself many writing tablets, and take with you Sarea, Dabria, Selemia, Ethanus, and Asiel -- these five, because they are trained to write rapidly;

25 - and you shall come here, and I will light in your heart the lamp of understanding, which shall not be put out until what you are about to write is finished.


26 - And when you have finished, some things you shall make public, and some you shall deliver in secret to the wise; tomorrow at this hour you shall begin to write."

How would Ezra accomplish that last directive from God? How would he even know which people are which? Would he have to interview the people and categorize them according to their wisdom in order to know whom to give the part that God said is only for the wise and keep it from the unwise? "Uhh, you seem pretty wise, so okay, come here, I need to fill you in on the secret part..." While to the unwise, "Uhh, that's all for today, have a nice day, nothing more, thank you drive through..."



Or is there a simpler way, one that causes the people themselves to sort themselves into the two categories of wise or unwise? I submit that God has chosen a simple way that lets each of us choose which we are, either wise or general public and we therefore will line up on either side of that line based upon how we choose to handle the writings that God has left for us. I believe that the way this works is that the wise will want to know God's truth above all else and will humble themselves under His leadership directly as they look into the different writings. God will then illuminate for them to rightly discern the importance of the truth written therein. While others who lack the illumination because of not seeking God's direct guidance but rely instead on their own understanding or the expertise of men, can look at these same writings and find no use for them and reject them as anything useful and hereby we sort ourselves out.



I believe that Ezra's charge is accomplished therefore by having part of his writings become publicized for everyone and ultimately canonized (which became the Old Testament Book of Ezra, and therefore received by all as being from God) while the other part of his writing which God said to give only to the wise is not canonized but is found among the "Apocryphal" books instead where it is known as 2 Esdras (his name in Greek).



These sorts of books (including the Book of Enoch) may not be interesting to the public or "non-wise" group except as targets of ridicule and derision and they will reject these writings and not understand why anyone would take these writings seriously. When the public or "un-wise" group measures these things by their intellect and the intellectual expertise of other similar trusted leaders and scholars they are satisfied with their conclusions that there is nothing worthy of further investigation or any reason to look for enlightenment or truth among such writings and therefore do not receive them. The end result is as if Ezra kept them from them in the first place yet more just or fair than that for they are without excuse since they decided it for themselves. It may even be that dark spirits will help to bring a negative conclusion to these people regarding these writings with ugly feelings when they attempt to read them for they may be approaching them with suspicion and doubt in the first place rather than humbly asking God for His guidance. But the wise have a different perspective for God's Spirit has illuminated their understanding to be able to receive the truths without hanging up on the objections of the others.



Simply, there is a deception coming on this world so great that if it were possible it would deceive the very elect. This deception is so hard to accept that the Bible says many will not believe it even though they were told of it. It involves interbreeding between humans and non humans, mingling the seed etc. as iron mixed with miry clay. These things are not discussed at length in the canonized scriptures but are discussed in other places. The lines of Seth with ungodly human wives view is a "safe" way for many who do not want to accept the idea that these horrors could really be real. When the rapture happens nothing will be the same again and the hidden things will become manifest. The warnings are for those who can receive them and prepare themselves to escape and stand before the Son of Man. Truth must be sought for as for hid treasure.



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Martin M (24 March 2012)
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Hello Jennie,

Jennie if you do a search into the very old translations, such as Ethiopic Bible. You'll find Enoch was included in the Canon at one time. The first 4 centuries of christianity quoted the works of Enoch. It wasn't until the "Sethite view" came in, that Enoch was rejected.

As for the "Watchers" the Watchers are not only mentioned in Enoch, but the book of Daniel as well.

Daniel 4:13 I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven;
Daniel 4:17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
Daniel 4:23And whereas the king saw a watcher and an holy one coming down from heaven, and saying, Hew the tree down, and destroy it; yet leave the stump of the roots thereof in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven times pass over him;




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Marilyn Agee (26 March 2012)
"Mike Plunkett (24 March 2012) ABOUT THE SONS OF GOD and the FALLEN ANGELS!""


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From: Marilyn Agee
Re: Mike Plunkett (24 March 2012) ...ABOUT THE SONS OF GOD and the FALLEN ANGELS!"


Hi:

Mike, thanks for posting your interesting reply. Well done.

I can supply a few details.

I think the giants were the workmen hired to build the pyramid.

> > You have heard about myths of centaurs and other such animals, like the sphinx at the pyramid of Giza, half animal and half man. These were REAL live Beings!!!!

I think the sphinx is the head of a woman and the body of a lion to show us where to start to read the Zodiac, the Gospel story in the sky. Begin with Virgo (Christ’s birth) and end with Leo (Christ as King of kings, the Lion of the tribe of Judah). Also, since the sphinx is near the pyramid of Giza, it suggests that the pyramid was built to teach man something important. When the cornerstone is placed on the top of the pyramid, the whole structure will be 5776 inches high. I think the year 5776 will be the year of the Day of God’s Wrath and the Second Advent of Christ. No wonder the giants refused to put the cornerstone on the pyramid. They wouldn’t have wanted that year to be emphasized. I think it is when they will lose the Angelic Conflict and be put in prison.


Eph_2:20 says, “And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone”.
1Pe_2:6 says, “Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.”

Hope you are feeling better now.

Agape,
Marilyn Agee
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Hi Patti,

I haven't been on lately due to illness and business, but I saw your study about the Sons of God of Genesis 6:4....and felt compelled to share the "Truth" with you about this subject. I have been led by the Holy Ghost for years in my search for answers surrounding this subject, and my spirit has finally rested upon the TRUTH of this matter!

Are you familiar with Jude 1:6?

Jude 1:6.....And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

This is talking about the fallen ANGELS of Genesis 6:4.....There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

You already know that the book of Jasher is referenced in the Bible at Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18, so Jasher is legit as far as the Bible is concerned! Jasher 4:18 says,

And their judges and rulers went to the daughters of men and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice, and the sons of men in those days took from the cattle of the earth, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other, in order therewith to provoke the Lord; And God saw the whole earth and it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon earth, all men and all animals.

Judges and rulers were the supernatural beings from heaven (FALLEN ANGELS) that forsook their places, spoken of in Jude 1:6. They were ANGELS with supernatural powers!!! SO YES, they did RULE over mankind and thus JUDGE them however they desired! Their purpose was LUST of the human FLESH! But SATAN used them to try and contaminate the seed of man. But NOAH was PURE in his generations, thus, he was the only (PURE Uncontaminated) bloodline to be saved to repopulate the earth so that the messiah could come. These ANGELS were like Gods to mankind! So they deceived man into worshipping them and made them slaves. All the so called MYTHS of old, are REAL! These beings built all the great structures of the earth!

You see, the mixing of DNA was the big deal! The angels forsook their places in the heavens to gain sexual gratification with the flesh of mankind.....A NO-NO in Gods creation. They were not allowed to return to heaven after they did this deed, so when their offspring, the giants, died, their spirits became demons. Most of the fallen angels were locked up until their judgement day. Angels can manifest themselves as humans. They can eat, drink, walk and talk! But they were originally suppose to WATCH the earth and mankind and prod us along in our development. They are also called WATCHERS! Instead, they started teaching mankind all kinds of evil, war, fighting with weapons, chanting, drugs, mixing of DNA...even man with animals! You have heard about myths of centaurs and other such animals, like the sphinx at the pyramid of Giza, half animal and half man. These were REAL live Beings!!!!

Let me ask you a question. How tall do you think the giants were that were created by the mixing of ANGEL DNA and HUMAN DNA?

AMOS 2: 9......Yet destoyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit from above, and his roots from below.

Cedars can grow as high as 30-70 feet tall!!!! How can the seed of Seth, a man, be combined with the seed of a WO-MAN produce a GIANT? It DOES NOT FIT THE PUZZLE!

Genesis 6:4......There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that,..............

After the flood, the scene was repeated with more fallen angels, as it mentions that it happened again....also after that! After the flood some more angels must have done it again. This time the Israelites were faced with the giants when they came to take the promised land at Numbers 13:33.......And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

So all through the old testament God had told the Israelites to wipe out the giants! But they didn't. So mankind has been thoroughly contaminated by mixing of the seed, as stated in Daniel 2: 43......And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. 44.....And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

Patti, I love your enthusiasm! But find it wise to be careful when teaching others. Put your oppinion out there and then let it stew with prayers and input from other like minded souls. The Lord will eventually lead us to the TRUTH! There can only be ONE TRUTH! We are all part of the whole, so each of us add something to it. But it is very important to make straight a misguided turn here or there to help everyone else to correct what they may have learned from you, me or someone else. This theme is throughout history and very well documented. One must only dig up the nuggets. If anyone has anything to add for further sanctification, please let us all know.

Some good authors on this subject are: Tom Horn and Chuck Missler!

Keep up your great love of the word, Patti.

your friend and BIC,

Michael P.





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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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