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When is the war of Ezekiel chapters 38 & 39 and the war of Psalm 83?

By Don Koenig



The timing of these wars is certainly open for debate. The alignment of the nations against Israel is different in each of these wars. In Psalms 83 an Arab Confederacy comes against Israel to cut her off from being a nation. In the war of Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 a nation with a leader called Gog comes from the North acting as a protector of a group of nations that today are all Moslem. According to the prophecy God puts hooks in Gog's jaw and brings them down and an evil thought comes into Gog's mind to plunder Israel of her goods.

Ezekiel's prophecy indicates it has to be at a time when Israel is at rest and dwelling securely in the land. That could only happen after there is peace establish in that area but can anyone foresee peace in Israel? It can not happen until there is a tragic war followed by a peace agreement or until the Antichrist mystically brokers peace in the area.

The peace necessary to fulfill the Ezekiel prophecy has led some to believe that the war of Psalm 83 occurs first before the tribulation and allows Israel to defeat her inner ring Arab nations and have peace until the time appointed for the Gog war. That view is very logical to me because none of these inner ring Arab nations are mentioned as coming against Israel in the Ezekiel war. Therefore, looking at the present world situation, I think the next major war of Israel against Arab nations will bring the fulfillment of the war of Psalm 83.


Some prophecy scholars say the war of Ezekiel is at or just a few days before the start of the seven year tribulation but that timing seems to leave no time for Israel to be dwelling securely before the covenant is confirmed by the Antichrist figure for seven years. They make the first 3 1/2 years of a seven year covenant foretold by Daniel to be the entire length of this peace in Israel. However, that does does not seem to be what Daniel or Ezekiel imply. I do not know how an attitude of security can come about in so short a time.


Other prophecy scholars say Ezekiel's war occurs in the middle of the tribulation but this is when Israel is told to flee to the mountains for 1260 days. How then can they also burn the weapons of war for seven years and bury the dead after seven months in Israel as the prophecy in Ezekiel declares? How do they do this while the greatest tribulation ever is taking place on earth? Seems to me they don't.


Still others claim the War of Ezekiel is at the end of the tribulation at the second coming of Jesus but Ezekiel's description does not fit the nations that come against Israel at the end of the tribulation. These armies come from all nations deceived by the Antichrist the Ezekiel war mentions only specific nations and they are led by Gog. The destruction of the armies are different in both wars and Gog's armies are buried but the armies led by the Antichrist are not.

That pretty much leaves only the possibility that the war in Ezekiel is prior to the seven year covenant and the war sets the stage for a peace treaty that is later confirmed by the Antichrist figure. Therefore, it seems to me that there must be peace in Israel even before the Antichrist signs or confirms the seven-year covenant foretold by Daniel with Israel. The scripture says a leader confirms a covenant with many for seven years. It is highly likely that the peace deal was already worked out and in place before this man even came on the scene.


I believe that there could be a 3 1/2 year period called "the beginning of sorrows" or "false birth pains" between the rapture and the seven year period foretold by Daniel. This will make the entry of the false Christ to be seven years after the rapture. That would be very acceptable to those that still identify with Christianity even after the rapture. They will be expecting some concept of Christ seven years after the rapture and seven years after God's intervention for Israel mentioned in Ezekiel chapter 39. Maybe this also explains the passages that seem to indicate that some who literally expect the bridegroom to return will get tired of waiting. Jesus will not fulfill the popular time expectations taught in Christian circles about His return being seven years after the rapture. Instead many will look for a substitute Christ and find the Antichrist. That of course assumes that the war of Ezekiel is pretribulation.


If my theory is true, it would make the passage that says Israel will be burning the weapons of war for seven years sensible. They would have to stop after seven years because the arrival of the Beast will force them to flee to the mountains or be killed. My theory implies that the seal, trumpet, and vial judgments of Revelation will span 10 1/2 years rather than just seven. All this is further developed in my Revelation commentary.


Some scoff about Ezekiel being a modern war because of the description of some of the weapons being used but most of the blame for the descriptions of the weapons should be placed on the early translators who translated the scripture when modern weapons were unknown. Their translation should not be equated to Ezekiel's actual description. For example, if you go back to the root word that Ezekiel used for bows you should see that it can just as easily be translated as "launchers" and the root word translated as arrows could just as well translate as "rockets" or "artillery", or "missiles". Therefore, those who think this is talking about an ancient war because of the description of the weapons are basing that assumption on descriptions by translators who did not know a thing about modern weapons. Nothing said by Ezekiel implies that this was an ancient war and no historical war fitting this description was ever recorded. Those that make it an allegorical war ignore the earthly detail and that is just plain silly.






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The two wars

Author Frank DiMora shows you the difference between the Psalm 83 war and the Ezekiel 38 wars.








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Chuck Missler: Discusses Psalms 83 & Ezekiel 38 & 39








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THE THREE WARS: PSALMS 83 WAR, GOG AND MAGOG INVASION

AND THE FINAL BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON

~ L.D. Oxford



In end time Bible prophecy, there seems to be a clear indication that the countries surrounding Israel will be dealt with first. with the use of weapons of mass destruction. These nations include those common-border arab countries surrounding Israel, which is also close to the same prophetic time-table when Damascus, Syria will be destroyed along with those other surrounding parts of arab countries, that will be left uninhabited. Not long after this, Israel will have expanded, secured her borders, and will live in relative peace and security for a season, before the the actual invasion of Gog and Magog occurs.

Therefore, this is clear enough evidence, that Iran will not succeed in destroying Israel as they claimed they would do recently. They may threaten and make attempts, but their ultimate plans for the annihilation of Israel will somehow backfire, due to the timely protection of the God of Israel. When The Gog and Magog Invasion finally does take place, there shall be horrific events that will take place in Israel, such as a devastating earthquake, including fire and brimstone falling from the skies upon these enemies of Israel, [Gog and Magog, Persia (Iran), with the other muslim-allied countries.]

They shall be defeated and destroyed on the mountains of Israel and on the open field according to Ezekiel 39. And note, that this War is not the final Battle of Armageddon, but appears to take place some time before the abomination of desolation and Armageddon according to the scriptures. Notice what happens here in Ezekiel 39:1-6 (read the entire chapter)

“Son of man, prophesy against Gog and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, Gog, chief prince of Meshek and Tubal. 2 I will turn you around and drag you along. I will bring you from the far north and send you against the mountains of Israel. 3 Then I will strike your bow from your left hand and make your arrows drop from your right hand. 4 On the mountains of Israel you will fall, you and all your troops and the nations with you. I will give you as food to all kinds of carrion birds and to the wild animals. 5 You will fall in the open field, for I have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD. 6 I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in safety in the coastlands, and they will know that I am the LORD. – niv

Review: Sequence of the Three Main Wars:

1. First, Psalms 83 War: See Psalms 83: Israel will defeat those arab countries on it’s common-borders.

Video mentions the Prophetic Psalm 83 War [deals with immediate surrounding arab nations who trouble and despise Israel] Also see Isaiah 17 – A prophecy against Damascus. Then, Gog and Magog Invasion. Video: Watch “War” parts 1-2 which shows Psalms 82 war which will lead up to the War of Gog and Magog


Video: War – Parts 1-2 – Watch here




2. Gog and Magog Invasion: Read Ezekiel Chapters 38 -39 - Sets the stage for the horrific coming events of the Great tribulation — with Russia, Iran [Persia], Libya, Ethiopia along with other muslim allied armies defeated on the mountains and on the open fields of Israel. This is not Armageddon at the end of the Great Tribulation. It will take seven months+ to bury the bodies, and seven years to burn the weapons from this war, to be used as fuel.

Note: There will also be other resistant battles between the Gog and Magog War, and those leading up to Armageddon found in the scriptures. Some have tried to prove that the Gog-Magog invasion and the Battle Armageddon, are one in the same. but it is just not true. All that one would need to do is to have a look at the nations involved and the geographical locations for each battle to know that there is a distinct difference. According to some scholars, Armageddon will come through a series of stages [a progression] leading up to the final Battle of Armageddon. To read more about those stages, I found one website that lays out more of an explanation, and with scripture references for this. Feel free to go there, to study more on this. http://www.arewelivinginthelastdays.com

3. The Final Battle – Armageddon - on the plain of Megiddo – other names [the Plain of Esdraelon, Valley of Jezreel] Rev. 16:16- The gathering of all the armies of the nations near the close of the Great Tribulation, followed by the return and appearing of Jesus Christ with the armies of Heaven, where He destroys all of these world armies. Many millions will die in this final battle.

Then, Rev 19:20 tells us, the Antichrist and the False Prophet will be thrown into the lake of fire.

Rev. 20:1-3, the devil will be thrown into the bottomless pit.

…and then, the Lord of Lords and King of Kings will set up His Millennial Kingdom to rule and reign for a thousand years upon the earth.

The Good News: Because Jesus Christ wins, we win too! – L.D.



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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.


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For the latest scholarly book on the prophecy in Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 read the following





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Hi Steven, This is one of THE BEST articles on what Israel faces in the near future, the Ps 83 war.

In reality, war has already begun! There wont be anymore "safe" days for Israel, and the U.S. should be very afraid because of the deeds of our government in causing their agenda of world dominance to be the prime motive for our actions in the Middle East.

I have always thought that the church would "see" and experience severe trouble, a time of false labor pains, right before the REAL pains commence. Right now The church is TOO soft and unmoved by world events. But our precious Lord knows how to STIR!

Thank goodness many of us Love Israel, the Muslims, and any people without Christ in their lives. We long to see them saved, not butchered. May the Lord hide us under His feathers of protection in these turbulent days.

God Bless you Steven for this and all the wonderful articles and videos you post each and every day!!!
YSIC, Love, Sally

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What is Restraining WW3? ANSWERS HERE!!!!!

Iran, perceiving threat from West, willing to attack on U.S. soil, U.S. intelligence report finds










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