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Doves,
While no one here can claim to absolutely know without a shadow of a doubt, just who the antichrist is or will be, the Bible does make certain characteristics definitive. For instance, Daniel says that the vile person will not regard ANY god. Now that is a pretty telling characteristic. It pretty much rules out any Islamic fanatic becoming the antichrist as the Muslim's prime motivation is due to a very high regard for Allah, a false god. Jesus said in Matthew 24 that the many false prophets and false christs that would arise would fool even the ELECT if that were possible. These two Biblical characteristics lead me to believe that the ultimate antichrist will appear Christian, yet embrace every religion. By embracing every religion he can regard NONE of them, nor their gods. He specifically mocks and disregards the Christian and Jewish religions.

In regard to Obama, the description fits. He does regard safety though. Daniel says that the vile person would regard the god of 'forces' in the KJV, which is interpreted as a safe haven, albeit man-made. At his core, Mr. Obama regards man-made safety over every aspect of life. Provide people their every need and you have the ultimate power over them.

The Bible also specifically says that 666 is the number of a MAN, not a spirit, not a group or system but a MAN. Seemingly, the only way to solve the name of the man is by the gematria value of his name. While it is possible that my method is flawed, I have made a gematria calculator which reckons the value of a person's name in the various gematria methods known. I've applied the multiple names of many past and present world leaders, including the variations of their names. None have the total gematria value of 666 other than (President) Barack Hussein Obama the Second, which totals 666+666+666. In Greek, Hussein = 666. The remaining Barack Obama = 6+66+666 in Greek, the language of the Book of Revelation. Simple 'Barack' in English has a gematria value of 36, which is the triangular root of 666.

When he took office, he was the defacto leader of modern day Babylon as commander-in-cheif of the occupying force there. He has fallen from that designation however as our troops are no longer occupying Babylon. " That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!" - Isa 14:4 KJV

As for being Assyrian, the former Assyrian empire reached the head waters of the Nile, that is modern Kenya the direct heritage of Obama.

According to one article, his mother is also direct descendant of Titus, the 7th true Roman emperor that destroyed the Temple in 70AD (the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary).

I believe we are in the end-times. Unless another, someone just like BHO comes along very quickly, I believe he is the one. There isn't time for another.

Only my opinion.

YBIC,
Kevin H. Sr.






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Frank R Molver (23 Dec 2011)
"Guys. Obama is just a host, for now"

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For those who can not see the potentual for Obama you will just have to wait
For now he is just a host waiting for the real master, that's what I think anyway
We are told to look at the fruit.
Would you like to look at some clues?


http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2011/mathman1222.htm



Dear Doves,


I am going to do something odd (for me) & step away from the math completely in this letter. My purpose is to outline QUALITATIVE points on why President Obama simply makes sense as the Anti-Christ. President Obama, more than ANY man I can recall, is truly “the Great Chameleon” of our age!! Intuitively, is that not what you would expect to be a primary characteristic of the Anti-Christ? Indeed, President Obama remains the great hope of many in this fallen world DESPITE all the reasons to abhor him. I am just simply going to list a bunch of observations on President Obama that tries to substantiate what I am trying to get at in this post:


- Does anyone REALLY know where Barack Hussein Obama was truly born?


- Does anyone REALLY know how Barack Hussein Obama was raised or anything about his childhood?


- Did anyone REALLY know about Barack Hussein Obama prior to his unforeseen and meteoric rise during his 2008 presidential campaign?


- Ronald Wilson Reagan had 18 letters in his name in a 666 fashion, but he was not the Anti-Christ. Nonetheless, it is interesting that Barack Hussein Obama also has 18 letters in his name, where 6 + 6 + 6 = 18 (yes, I know I said “no math” – sorry L)


- Time and time again, President Obama lies and disappoints and people still love him. In head-to-head with any GOP candidate, President Obama has a 8 to 10% lead in the polls as we speak. All the while, millions are unemployed and in poverty – the usual death kiss for a presiding President. Go figure!


- His speech pattern and cantor is hypnotizing and renowne. Is that not what you would expect from the Anti-Christ?


- He proclaims Christianity, yet covers up the cross and passes legislation that God hates.


- Time and time again, when President Obama lists the excellent qualities of Christianity, he immediately states that these are qualities SHARED by the other world religions!!


- He shows himself to be a brother and supporter to the Muslims time and time again.


- He shows himself to be a brother and supporter to communism and a socialism time and time again.


- The media adores and worships President Obama, letting him get away with everything, but yet jump down the throats of any of his competitors (ESPECIALLY if they are a threat).


- Henry Kissinger, the second most powerful “public” man in the Illuminati next to David Rockefeller, has said SEVERAL TIMES that President Obama was their pick to lead the New World Order.


- President Obama has the “keys” to the most powerful military in history, with nuclear weapons that can easily be classified as a “Great Sword”.


- President Obama is uniquely “relatable” to most races due to his mother being Caucasian and his father being a black Muslim, allowing him to use the racism card (while never being called a racist in return) simply at will.


- President Obama is still incredibly popular in Europe after all of these years, enjoying a whopping 75% popular support!!


- President Obama and his administration continuously treats PM Netanyahu with blatant respect, doesn’t defend him when Sarcozy calls him a liar (indeed, even adds that he can’t tolerate all his dealings with him), calls for a return to the 1967 lines (which would divide the apple of God’s eye – Jerusalem) and supports Israel’s enemies whenever he can (for example, supporting the fall of Egypt’s Mubarak). After all that, he still has the nerve to recently say, “I try not to pat myself too much on the back, but this administration has done more for the security of the state of Israel than any previous administration. We don’t compromise when it comes to Israel’s security … and that will continue.”


- Incredibly, the Jewish assembly, listening to this hypocritical speech, promptly gave President Obama a standing ovation in reaction. The Republicans must have been shocked!!


If you search your heart on this, doesn’t it seem obvious? Somehow, President Obama remains all things to all people. Only watchers like us, given the gift of a discerning eye with the Holy Spirit’s help, can seem to be able to see behind the leopard’s spots for the evil he truly is.


For those who continue to simply discount President Obama as even a remote possibility to be the Anti-Christ, I have a simple challenge for you. Name and list the attributes of ANYONE that you can think of that can measure up better than President Obama as the Anti-Christ. If you can’t, why exactly do you keep arguing about that “he can’t be the Anti-Christ”? Furthermore, if you add in all of the overwhelming mathematical proof pointing towards President Obama as the Anti-Christ, again, why exactly do you keep arguing about the “he can’t be the Anti-Christ”?


President Obama is quite simply the perfect man for the job, allowed to be raised by God Himself for just this time (EVERY baby is a gift from the Lord). To borrow a famous quote, “if God doesn't come soon and bring judgment upon the United States, He's going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah!" Enter President Barack Hussein Obama!!


Again, the time is right:


http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2011/mathman1214.htm


AND, in addition to what I have written above, President Obama simply makes mathematical sense:


http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2011/mathman1220.htm


Thanks for listening!!


YbiC, MathMan





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I believe Kevin Heckle's post on Sep 2009 will be of interest to U...........






http://www.fivedoves.com/ac/kevinh910-1.htm

Kevin Heckle (10 Sep 2009)
"Barack IS the EIGHTH!"

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Barack is the Eighth

By: Kevin Heckle

Revelation 17:10-11 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. (11) And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

At the time of the Apostle John’s writing of the Book of Revelation, which was probably around 69-70 AD at the earliest, the emperorship of Rome was in contention. On 6-9-68 AD, Nero the FIFTH emperor of Rome committed suicide. This sparked a struggle for power that lasted about a year and a half culminating in Vespasian becoming the permanent emperor on 12-21-69 AD. He defeated three usurpers; Galba, Otho and Vitellius to become emperor of Rome. Vespasian retained power for about ten years until his death on 6-23-79 AD. His son Titus, whom destroyed the Temple, only held the office from the death of his father in 79 AD until September 13, 81 AD when he died. Out of these first seven emperors of Rome, Titus was the one to disperse the Jews prior to ascending to the throne.

FIVE FALLEN KINGS at the time of John’s writing Revelation:

1. Augustus

2. Tiberius

3. Caligula

4. Claudius

5. Nero (Died 68 AD)

ONE IS (Occupied the office of emperor at John’s writing Revelation)

6. Vespasian (Overcame three usurpers on 12-21-69)

THE OTHER NOT YET COME; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

7. Titus (destroyed the Temple in 70 AD, became emperor in 79 and died only a few short years later in 81)

THAT WAS AND IS NOT, EVEN HE IS THE EIGHTH AND OF THE SEVEN

8. Beast? (Antichrist) Will be of Roman Descent

According to Richard L. Wills research at [utl]http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2009/richardw820.htm Barack Hussein Obama fits EXACTLY as he is the 59th Great Grandson of Caesar Augustus!!!!

By my reckoning, the count stopped with the death of the Roman (Titus) whom previously dispersed the Jews in 70 AD. Barack IS the EIGHTH in line starting with Caesar Augustus, suspended after Titus (the destroyer of the Temple). The Eighth could only come to power in the 42nd year after Jerusalem was restored (1967) as there are only a total of 49 years in the final 70th week (7 DAYS X 7 YEARS). The antichrist has to hold office at the beginning of Tribulation to implement the peace treaty. He also has to be in power mid-way through until the end for 42 months (possessed by Satan) to be defeated and cast into the lake of fire (goeth into perdition) by Jesus.

What are some other indicators that Barack is the One?

1. BARACK Born August 4, 1961

a. August-4-70AD is when the Temple was destroyed

1) 8-4 is the 216th day (6x6x6)

b. …and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

1) The 19th Prime inclusive of one is 61

2) The sum of the 18 primes 2 through 61 equals 501, the Hebrew gematria of BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

3) The 61st Triangular number is 1891. There are exactly 1891 years between 70 AD and 1961 AD, BARACK’s birth year.

So not only is Barack a descendant of the people whom destroyed the Temple, his BIRTH MONTH, BIRTH DAY and BIRTH YEAR are determined by the end of the war resulting in the destruction of the Temple!!!!

2. June 5, 1967, during the Six-Day War, the Israelis captured Jerusalem for the first time since August 4, 70 AD. On June 28, 1967 there government annexed East Jerusalem as Israeli territory.

a. The U.S. President LB Johnson (properly elected in 1964) was in office in 1967 beginning a COUNT of EIGHT properly elected presidents

i. LBJ

ii. Nixon (Ford took office when Nixon resigned and was never elected)

iii. Carter

iv. Reagan

v. Bush Sr.

vi. Clinton (sixth)

vii. Bush Jr. (pass over the enforcement of taxes, ie. “raiser of taxes” as the Hebrew word is used in this instance one time in the Bible as ‘raiser’. The rest of its uses are as pass over, pass by, etc. The word ‘taxes’ in this instance is not a noun, rather a verb that means ‘enforcement.’ Bush’s tax cuts will EXPIRE, reverting back to previous levels….thus over passing taxes.)

viii. Obama (EIGHTH) spreads the wealth around in the fattest places of the province (bailouts), changes times and laws, comes in peaceably with flatteries and does not have the honor of the kingdom (questions surrounding his birth place and rapidly declining popularity)

a. Obama comes to power in his 47th year. The reduced gematria of ‘president’ is 47; the Greek gematria of ‘beast’ is 47; the ordinal gematria of 1st and 2nd John (where the word ‘antichrist’ appears has a value of 47; 47 is one of the only 2 powers of 666 in which all the digits add to 666. The other is 51. (Incidentally, the word ‘president’, Adolf Hitler, Osama bin Laden all have a common gematria value of 110, 660 AND 47 (Hitler does not have the 47)

b. At mid-tribulation (2012-2013) Barack will be 51, the other power of 666 in which all the digits add to 666.

c. Obama comes to power in 2009, 42 years after East Jerusalem is annexed by the Israelis in the Six Day War(1967) OR six days (day = 7 years as per Sir Isaac Newton) of the 70th week. The final day (7 year Tribulation) begins with a peace treaty expected before the end of 2009.

d. In September of 2009, Barack Obama will be the first President to EVER preside over the UN Security Council, over the Ten ‘kings without a kingdom’ which are the ten non-permanent members of the Council, whom he possibly will give power ‘one hour’.

e. The 42nd Item on the Council’s agenda is the permanent Palestinian state to be established INCLUDING EAST JERUSALEM won by the Israelis 42 years before.

f. If the beginning of the final week started in June of 1967, the last year of Tribulation will be 2016 . Barack will be 55 years old.

i. Satan and Obama share a common gematria value of 55. Added together = 110, same as Adolf Hitler and Osama

ii. 55 is at the central 3rd core value of the 73rd triangular number 2701, which is also the gematria value of the first seven words of the Bible (Genesis 1:1).

iii. Understanding dark sentences, Barack made the comment that he would finish his work on his second 72nd day and rest on the second 73rd after the first 100 days. That date was 7-11-2009, which is 1260 days (42 lunar months) to the dreaded date of 12-21, 2012. 711 is also the reverse of his standard gematria (Barack) of 117.

iv. The satellite values of both the 72nd and the 73rd triangular numbers are the triplet of 666 or 1998 and the composite gematria value of his full name.

v. The core value (630) of the 72nd triangular number (Barack finishes his work) is derived by the product 1260/2. The antichrist works for 1260 days (42 lunar months) possessed by Satan the final 3.5 years.

vi. The core value (703) of the 73rd triangular number (2701) contains the gematria values of Barry Soetoro (171), man (45) and Satan (55).

g. The 50th year from 1967 is 2017, a permutation of 2701 and the Jubilee year. The 17th year of the second millennium of Christianity, the first year of Jesus 1000 year reign. 17 is the sum of 7 and 10, spiritual perfection and completion.




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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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Ok,

The debate is back.

Tonight, I noticed a Nostradamus show about the anti-christ. It made me remember the Nostradamus prediction of a third anti-christ named Mabus.

So, another oldie...

MABUS and OBAMA have three corresponding letters - MAB. The leftover letters are USOA. United States of America.

Joe



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Hello, John and Doves,

Here's my take on those who still don't believe that the AC is the AC. [You know who I mean by, "AC."]

“... nd they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world....” Revelation 17:8


I wonder why.
I wonder why I wonder.
I wonder why I wonder why.
I wonder why. I wonder why.
[...or something like that]

Baruch HaShem Yeshua Ha Mashiach,
Mike C.

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"To pineman your answer re AC"


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http://bible.cc/revelation/17-8.htm - The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


The beast is a spirit, a pneuma that the false prophet breathes into the man who had been given 42 months to rule. He dies, and resurrects with the spirit of Apollyon. Take a look at the verse: Rev 13:5

5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.



In my mind the phrase, 'and there was given unto him a mouth...' today could mean 'he was elected', so from that our current pres was elected in Nov 08 + 42 months is April/May 2012. Apollyon inhabits him and he has 5 months to hurt the men of the Earth. Rev 9:10. There are many crop circles of late indicating Quetzalcoatl returning in May 2012. Google Jaime Maussan and Quetzalcoatl crop circle. Believe it or not, that ends on Yom Kippur 2012. The start date of the week in Yom Teruah 2005. That encompasses 7 years to the day and fulfills the next feasts in line to the day. Now there is only one feast left: Feast of Tabernacles. Zech 14 says during the millenium that is the only feast mentioned we are to observe and I think this is why: because it hasn't been fulfilled yet. Rev 21:3 is when it's fulfilled. Praise Yah.


Rev 13 explains it:


Rev 13:15 AndG2532 he had powerG1325 G846 to giveG1325 lifeG4151 unto theG3588 imageG1504 of theG3588 beast,G2342 thatG2443 theG3588 imageG1504 of theG3588 beastG2342 should bothG2532 speak,

G4151

πνεῦμα

pneuma

pnyoo'-mah

From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit: - ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.



G1504

εἰκών

eikōn

i-kone'

From G1503; a likeness, that is, (literally) statue, profile, or (figuratively) representation, resemblance: - image.


This makes sense because the 8th is one of the previous kings, (there are 7 kings total) and is going to destruction.




http://bible.cc/daniel/9-27.htm - And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


You have to go to the previous verse of Daniel 9 to see what the antecedent of he is, it's Messiah. He is confirming what I believe is the 70-7's, and it tells that it is a full week. There is a wide-spread assumption that there is a resuming of temple sacrifices. I think the take away from the latter 1/2 of the verse is just He shall cause the slaughter to cease in the midst of the week, and the desolations will occur until the end. Kari



Dear John & Doves:

Unless one considers Chicago the bottomless pit I really can't see President Obama fulfilling the Revelation 17 verse 8 prophecy. The second reference is also a case of cognitive dissonance if one tries to impute President Obama as the one who is doing the confirming.

In the midst of the week he causes the sacrifice and oblation to cease. Where are these occurring. Did President Obama and the U.S. Congress sneak in a new department called the Department of Rituals. And then in April 2012 he is going to withdraw these regulations? Where were these rituals taking place.

I am under the impression that a Jewish temple needs to be built in order for these things to begin and then cease but perhaps I am taking the Scriptures too literally and God needs some help expressing Himself.




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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2011/kevinh1228.htm

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Kevin Heckle (28 Dec 2011)
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KML,
Thanks for your response found here: http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2011/kml1227-2.htm

I would disagree on a few points. As per the AC's Roman lineage I believe the prevailing thought on the 'prince' or ruler of the second part of Daniel 9:26 is in reference to the anti-messiah. The Roman Titus ordered and executed the destruction of the city and the sanctuary, therefore the ruler to come would seemingly have to be a descendant of a true Roman. Being Roman isn't really a stretch for any particular sub-group as at that time, Rome ruled almost all of civilization. Paul declared himself to be Roman, though he was a Jew of Israel. The Roman legions like X Fretenses (10th of the Sea Straight) were made up of the conquered peoples of the Romans, whether Syrian, Israeli, Macedonian, etc. If the 'prince' or ruler is referencing the anti-messiah, the Bible (not me) says that his people would destroy the city and the Temple, which happened in 70 AD. It is historical fact those people were Roman, made of various European, African and SW Asia ethnicities.

"[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined." - Dan 9:26 KJV

The end of that 1st Jewish-Roman War occurred 3 years later by the Dead Sea at Masada in 73 AD. That diaspora, the dispersion of the Jews from the holy city and the sanctuary didn't end until 1967 when the Jews retook the city and the sanctuary at the 6 Day War. So if the count ended with Titus, the destroyer of the Temple as the 7th legitimate Roman emperor, then when the AC consolidates the world with a Rome-like power, he will be the 8th. Obama is also the 8th ELECTED American President since the Jews retook Jerusalem in 1967. Is America with her Senate and Roman-like world power the resurrection of Rome? I don't know. We act like it.

On the second point, the 'departing' or more accurately the great 'falling away' that the KJV interprets from the Greek word 'apostasia' (Strong's G646) is in reference to the DEFECTION, the APOSTASY from the Church, which would agree with Dan. 11:30 describing the antichrist's agreement with those who FORSAKE the Holy Covenant. The passage in II Thess. 2:3 has been debated here ad nauseam. It is doubtful there will be an agreement on the interpretation of this passage until the Lord comes. The apostasy has begun, whether or not folks see it. Obama, clearly espousing antichristian ideals, could have NOT come to power without an agreement to vote with a large portion of church-goers in America. Whether Obama is thee AC or not, I believe the POINT of II Thess 2:3-8 is that a general defection from the true Church will open the door for the AC to achieve power. The 'restrainer' being diminished yeilds the world to an antichristian power. A majority not affected by the 'mystery of iniquity' (that was at work in the church even back then) will restrain the AC from gaining power. When the 'mystery of iniquity' prevails, an apostasy or defection from the church will yield world power to the AC. The apostasy facilitates power for the AC.

Whether Obama is thee AC of course is debateable. However, the many attributes which he posseses and espouses are antichristian, a truth which is self-evident. If he is not the one, he IS the model with NO deficit of Biblical AC attributes.

In Christ,
Kevin H.



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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.



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