Jesus began His Church[Leah] Ministry and STARTED the [PRE-TRIB]WEEK and was cutof as Messiah in the [MID-TRIB]midst of the WEEK. Then Jews rejected Stephen[Full of the HolySpirit] at the END of the WEEK[POST-TRIB] around exactly 2000years of 360days ago.

Acts:7:55-60: "But he[Stephen], being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
v56: And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
v57: Then they[Jews] cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
v58: And cast him out of the city, and stoned him[Stephen]: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
v59: And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."

Pls note that Stephen prayed the forgiveness for those who STONEd him AFTER BEING STONED and NOTE Jesus PRAYED the forgiveness for those who crucified Him on the CROSS BEFORE THE CRUCIFICATION.

Last verse...Acts:7:60: "And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep."

So I believe the Church[Leah] Started exactly 2000years ago and would be 1st Total Solar Eclipse on 1st Aug 2008AD and so we are still here with our Lord in His Ministry before Messiah is going to be Cutof.

Or we could be Gone exactly 2000years after HolySpirit was given 100days after Jesus' Resurrection.

Then Stephen was Stone at the end of the WEEK and so another MID-POINT of the Tribulation WEEK, ISRAEL[Rachel] will be RECEIVED after 2000years of REJECTION PERIOD.

Let me put is this way mathematically...

Jesus called out His Church say Day1
Jesus cutof as Messiah say Day 1260
Jesus Raised to Life say Day 1263.5
Jesus Ascended to Heaven say Day 1303.5
Jesus sent the HolySpirit say Day 1335 or 1363.5
HolySpirit Rejected say Day 2300 or 2520
or the last Day of WEEK is 1335days after Jesus cutof = 1260+1335=Day2595?
The WEEK is Day1 to Day2595?

So we are now almost there at Day1 + 2000x360days?
or anytime between the WEEK of Day1 to Day2595?

Mike you have raised a very interesting point that many missed: if pre, mid or post trib is very important, why GOD YHWH seems to let this confusion goes on for centuries ? Could it be the answer is that all is true but in respect to just one factor and therefore neither is true for all factors? If it is so important, God YHWH must have straighten this from the beginning .... like defining false prophets, or false teachings, so clear and so vivid ... in its core principle but grey area in some non so principle like kind of baptism, kind of annointings etc ... even to the extend Sabath or Sunday ...

Dear Gimel,

Regarding Rapture, God has allowed ALL facttors to be covered to the Belief of ALL different MEMBERs of the SAME Body because EACH has his[her] TIMING PRE-DESTINATED by GOD and SO HOLYSPIRIT Confirms their BELIEFs.

God has CATERED SALVATION FOR ALL TIMINGS BE IT PRE-TRIB, MID-TRIB & POST-TRIB and Definitely PRE-WRATH because GOD is ALWAYS ABLE TO SAVE HIS ELECT in WHATEVER SITUATIONS.

2Peter:2:9: "The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:"

We MEMBERS of the SAME BODY always LIMITED the POSSIBILITIES TO ONLY ONE and SO CAUSES CONFUSION.

This is NOT A DOCTRINAL ISSUE and so GOD ALLOWED POST TRIB VIEW to be discussed to warn PRE-TRIBBERS of PREPARATION for TRIBULATION and YET USING PRE-TRIB VIEW to COMFORT the POST-TRIBBERS that GOD is ALWAYS THERE TO COMFORT and SAVE us BEFORE HIS WRATH.

These Tribulation views ARE NOT HARD AND FAST DOCTRINE and we ALL need to be OPEN to SEE IN OTHER's POINT OF VIEW too.

As regarding False Teachings or False Prophets, God would CLEARly show them at HIS APPOINTED TIME although many would continue to believe the MIRACLES of FALSE PROPHETs and False TEACHINGS...when they do not love the WORD of GOD.

The MOST important DOCTRINE is to BELIEVE IN JESUS[Yahshua] THE SON OF GOD and that HE died for OUR SINS as a PERFECT GOD-MAN and that HE was buried and raised up and now is ALIVE AND is COMING VERY SOON.

The other principles such as [Baptism, Anointing or to which DAY is Sabbath or whether Sunday is Lord's DAY] are NOT SO IMPORTANT because GOD would not PUNISH those who KNOW NOT these principles or keep these principles.

Hebrews:11:6: "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

God would REWARD those who seek[do] diligently according to what they BELIEVE HIM is.

It is like saying, If I believe God is Holy and do not want to be Holy...then God would require me to give an account for not being Holy.
If I seek diligently to be as Holy as God is...God would reward me as a Holy person with the Reward He reserved for the Holy.

It is also like saying, if I believe God is PERFECT in HIS HOLY and PRESERVED WORD, and I do seek His WORD diligently, wouldn't God reward me with the REWARDS RESERVED for the HOLY PROPHETS?

Matthew:10:41: "He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward;
and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward."

Oh that God would OPEN UP HIS HEAVENLY REWARDS and there is NO ROOM FOR US TO RECEIVE IT...

Malachi:3:10: "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it."

It is not that God could not give...but that we are not able to receive...so that the extra land which we could not handle would not become desolate...

Exodus:23:29: "I will not drive them out from before thee in one year; lest the land become desolate, and the beast of the field multiply against thee."

God Bless You Gimel and Steven and All who Loves His Appearing