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Linda T (24 Sep 2011)
"A letter... Is the year of the rapture and possibly the day hidden within the bible?"


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I believe that the Lord has used the scriptures to show that the rapture will be this year, please bear with me, cause I don't want to just blurt this out, And let me begin by saying I cannot take any credit for this, all I did was read some scriptures and push the buttons on the calculator under the Lord's direction.

Many of you who know me, know that I am not a numbers person so when the Lord started leading me down this path last night I struggled against it in my flesh which is why I was up till 3:30 this morning with this, and even after I went to bed the Lord was still pointing things out to me.

As I was being led to certain scriptures; numbers and times were being pointed out to me and and as this thing begin to unfold I had these dates and figures and I didn't know what to do with them on my own and I really didn't want to deal with them nor did I know where this was going to end up, especially at 2:00am in the morning , But I begin computing these dates and figures as I was being being directed.

There are some stand out scriptures in the bible that I have always been drawn to in regards to prophecy and have always thought that someday maybe the Lord would reveal to me something special about them. They are all below with the exception of the new one from Ezra.

1. In Daniel 12:8-9 And I heard,but I understood not; then said I, O my Lord,what shall be the end of these things ? The Lord told Daniel, go thy way, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Well in the last month or so, I have said to the Lord, if we are at the time of the end, would you unseal this for me and give me understanding?

Now I am just going to go through this in the same order that the Lord went with me.

2. This whole journey started with this scripture: Daniel 9:25 Know there and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Messiah the Prince.

Now before somebody jumps up and down, I am full aware that on the surface verse Dan 9: 25-26 concerns the prophecy of the Lords first coming, his death, and the leftover seven years.

However with what the lord was trying to show me, he had me stop at the words Messiah the Prince.

3. The first figure he had me to look at was the two periods of 1260 and 1260 days which equal 2520 days and as many of us know there will later be added another 30 days.

4. But at this point I was led to read about the ten kings in Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

5. So after reading this, I was instructed to multiply the 10 toes by the 2,520
days. 10 X 2,520= 25,200 , by this time I am scratching my head but before I could even think to say what's this about?, the Lord said, wait and you will see....
so I set that figure aside ( 25,200.)

6. We also know from Revelation that there is an extra 30 days added to the 2nd set of 1,260 days , so we now have a two periods of 1260+1290= 2,550 days

Then I went back to Daniel 9:25 about the going forth from the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the prince.

7.Since Daniel was written after the first temple was destroyed this has to be talking about the 2nd temple commandment
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So now I go to Ezra 1:1-3 where it says that the commandment was given to rebuild in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia.And he ruled from 539BC-550 BC. so the "commandment given" that Daniel talks about took place in 539BC according to the scriptures.
that is unless you are looking for the timing of the Lord's first coming, then you would look to the year 445BC

8. Next scripture that comes into play here is a day is as a thousand years.

so take that 2,550 day figure and change that to 2,550 years

And from the commandment given in 539BC to restore Jerusalem to Messiah the prince,

From 539BC to 2011 is 2,550 years ...

this also works using the Hebrew time, we are in the year Hebrew yr. 5771 and the Hebrew year for 539 BC is 3221,
so 5771 - 3221 = 2550.

This may not mean anything to you or if it does, I cannot take any credit, cause like I said I despise dealing with numbers and calculations and I don't have enough sense on my own to come up with these figures, let alone know what to do with them, so if you scoff I really won't take it personal cause I know that the only thing I did was read some scriptures and push some buttons under the Lord's direction.

Needless to say after this I was a bit overwhelmed and went to my spare room to pray.

Then after I got done I asked the Lord what about that other figure of 25,200?....

So I was reminded of Daniel's 70 weeks, which is 490 years using a 360 day year and the Trib is 7years long ..
And these were the next's things I was instructed to calculate 490x360 = 176,400....176,400 divided by the 7 yr trib is also totals the 25,200 that was computed in the beginning.

One more thing, as I was finishing typing this up I was led to take the 176,400 and divide it by the complete number of days in the trib 2,520 and that = 70.... 70 weeks

I am still trying to absorb this and I have asked the Lord, why would he show me this? I hate math...shouldn't it be somebody that works in numbers and likes numbers , well... all he said was... I use the weak things to confound the wise.


2ND PART
*The 2nd part was written due to the fact that many people could not see the forest for the trees, and I too have to admit, that at first I did not recognize the real reason that Lord was having me to use the date that the first commandmet was given, all I knew was; that was where he kept poining me to, despite man's understanding of what date I should be looking at.

On my previous thread about the year of the rapture many people said that the only commandment that Dan 9:25 could ever be referring to had to be the one given in 445 BC in order to match up with the Lord's first coming and crucifixion foretold in verses 25-26 and this is correct and the correct thing do when looking for the timing of those things, but those things are no longer a mystery , they have been unsealed to us for God knows how long.

However, I stated that in what the Lord was trying to show me, he required me to stop at these words....Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Messiah the prince."STOP"

was there more than one commandment to restore Jerusalem? yes .... is there more than one coming of the Lord? yes

I did not know until the end, that what the Lord showed me was in answer to the prayer that I had prayed concerning Dan12:8-9 where I asked him to unseal and open up what was closed to Daniel.

Dan12:8-9 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things. and he said go thy way Daniel :for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Ok so where did Daniel start looking for understanding about the end of things?

answer: 3.Dan.9:2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by the books the number of the years, whereof the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

What has been unsealed and showed to us about the seventy years by the time we get to
Dan 12:8-9 ?

We know from Dan.9:25-26 that the seventy years are actually seventy weeks of years or 490yrs
and they break down to: seven weeks or seven ‘sevens’ which is 49 years,
threescore and two weeks or sixty-two ‘sevens’ (or 62 x 7 years which is 434 years)
This gives a total of 483 years, leaving one week (or one period of 7 years)

What else has been unsealed for us who are at the time of the end in Dan 9:25-26 ?

The timing of the Lord's first coming and crucifixion , the fact that there was a 2nd temple that was destroyed by the people of the prince/anti-christ who will come.

What is still closed up and sealed to us who are at the time of the end ?

answer: when the ant-christ will come?when the 70th week will start? when the Lord's 2nd coming is? the timing of the rapture?

those of us who are truely pre-trib know that the final week nor the anti-christ can come before the rapture, and the 2nd coming cannot happen until at the 2,550 days are finished

*Now let's get back to this..
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Messiah the Prince.STOP"

Why did the Lord point me to the Ezra 1 commandment?

Because the reason for giving the commandment has not been fulfilled even to this day, so while everyone was so busy looking at whether or not a man made temple was built or if someone else was the one who obeyed the commandment about getting the temple built,let alone the fact that people could not keep themselves from going past the phrase"Messiah the Prince" Mean while the Lord was trying to point out the reason for the 539BC command is the key , which like I said it has not been fulfilled yet, but after it is, then we will have the ulitimate restoration of Jerusalem , the new Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven.

What was the reason and what fulfills it?

Ezra 1: Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled.

well lookie there, we are back to Jeremiah where Daniel started looking at the 70 weeks.

Has everything in Jeremiah been fulfilled?

Nope, we are still waiting on the last week to start, which is also called the time of Jacob's trouble that happens during the last 2550 days.

Jeremiah 30:7Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble.

And the last seven years cannot be fulfilled until the rapture happens..

When does the rapture happen that allows the 70th week to start?

Here are the figures again...

1260+1260=2520 days

2520 x 10 = 25,200 Dan. 2:44 In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed.

1260+1290=2550

Why was there an extra 30 days added to the second set of the 1260days?

Well I think that Mr. Gavin Finley says it best .... http://endtimepilgrim.org/1290days.htm

Our answer comes from an understanding of the Fall Feasts of Israel and an appreciation of what these next three feasts will herald as we come into the end time drama. If we count the days between the Feast of Trumpets on a given year and the Day of Atonement seven years later for those seven years spans that see 86 moons on the 19 year metatonic cycle of the Hebrew Calendar, (and not 87 moons), we get a total of 2550 days. When we subtract the first half of the 70th Week of Daniel, (1260 days), from the 2550 days we make a startling discovery.
2550 days - 1260 days = 1290 days!
Those extra 30 days will take us to the Day of Atonement. (END QUOTE)

So the end of all things that Daniel asked about would be the total 2,550 days

The reason that the commandment was given in 539BC was to fulfill all of Jeremiah and the last thing to be fulfilled is the 2,550 days.

A day is as a thousand years according to God. 2,550 days = 2,550 years

2,550 yrs - 539BC= 2011AD ( the extra year between BC and AD is mans invention to keep down man's confusion , but God is not confused )

Hebrew years 3221-5771=2,550 yrs

Is this also pointing us to Rosh Hashana since the Hebrew calendar will flip over to 5772 then ?

now for the rest, I am just gonna copy from my previous post.

Then after I got done I asked the Lord what about that other figure of 25,200?.... 2520x10 kings

So I was reminded of Daniel's 70 weeks, which is 490 years using a 360 day year and the Trib is 7years long .. now , just wait it's about to get freakier

490x360 = 176,400....176,400 diviided by the 7 yr trib is also 25,200 ( remember the first computation?)

One more thing, as I was finishing typing this up I was led to take
the 176,400 and divide it by 2,520 and that = 70.... 70 weeks?

well lookie there we are back to the number that Daniel first started with...




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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

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Steven, I am Linda T. and I thought about posting this here but I hesitated because it seems to point to a literal pre-trib,pre-70th week rapture and I know that there may be some here that don't believe that, so I thought it best not to post here, but since you did, I thought you should know that I am still reeling from this experience and feel so very unworthy of it.

Hi Linda,

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Steven

She alludes to the verse that says a day is as a thousand years and then uses a day as a year. This kind of hermeneutical study is typical for Fivedoves.com.

If there's a verse that says a day is as a year, then it should be cited. I know there are "interpretations" of scripture that are "backed into" making the case for a day also being a year, but then scripture isn't being interpreted. Instead interpretations on top of another interpretation of scripture is being applied.

Hi Armageddon,

The she you referred to is "Linda,"

I'm no expert but could you have maybe phrased your comment directly to "linda" something like this:

Linda,

Could you please help me with your comment 8. Next scripture that comes into play here is a day is as a thousand years.

so take that 2,550 day figure and change that to 2,550 years



Could you explain If there's a verse that says a day is as a year, then it should be cited. I know there are "interpretations" of scripture that are "backed into" making the case for a day also being a year, but then scripture isn't being interpreted. Instead interpretations on top of another interpretation of scripture is being applied.

Thank you.










Just a suggestion since we are all "Christians" sharing on this site.

2 Tim 4:2-3
Convince, rebuke , exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
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I pray you will take this in a Spirit intended.


I enjoy and always learn from your posts on this site
Armageddon. So thank you for your contributions to this site.

Respectfully,

God Bless

Steven

Sure no problem..and sorry for not including the scripture reference..

It is my understanding that these terms are almost exclusively used when talking about prophetical years.

And I believe it would have to be for the Lord to decide if and when someone should view a day as a thousand years, or a day as a year, or even a week as seven years, another words I don't believe it is something that should be randomly stamped on a time frame, and with that said I can assure you, it was not my idea to call 2550 days 2550 years, cause like I said I really didn't know where the Lord was taking this I just knew what he said to do.



(2Peter 3:8,10). But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day..." .


Psalm 90:1,3,4 For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.

And it also appears that at times a day also as a year.

A day for each year" in the account of the ten spies returning with a bad report to Moses about the Promised Land after spying it out for 40 days:

Numbers 14:33,34
And your children shall wander in the wilderness forty years, and bear your *****doms, until your carcasses be wasted in the wilderness. After the number of the days in which you searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years.


hope this helps