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Re: Pharaohs of Joseph and Moses - the Exodus in historical context

Dear All,

Need to point out some disagreements with the video for educational, consideration, discussion purposes...

1) The video uses BC years for Adam to Abram and etc which is not correct because Biblical Years are 360days per year and not 365.25days per year.

1a) 2000years of 365.25day calendar would have errors of additional 10500days from 360day calendar and these errors to additional 29years per 2000years and 58years for 4000years and 87years for 6000years.

1b) This is important to note so that BC years should be used for ROUGH estimation only.

2) The 400years and 430years are not referenced correctly because Isaac is not allowed to enter Egypt and the Seed will be afflicted in a NATION(Egypt) for 400years and has to be STRANGER in that NATION.
So Isaac is not the Seed in Egypt.

2a) Genesis26:1-2:"And there was a famine in the land, beside the first famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went unto Abimelech king of the Philistines unto Gerar. And the LORD appeared unto him[Isaac], and said, GO NOT DOWN into Egypt: dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:"

2b) We see that GOD had to stop Isaac from being the Seed to be afflicted in Egypt. The sojourning did not start from Abraham in the 1st famine when Abraham went in to Egypt, see Genesis12:10 and Abraham went out of Egypt, see Genesis13:1, then Abraham dwelt in Canaan with Isaac, see Genesis13:12.

Isaac was not considered as sojourning in other land because Isaac was in that land of Canaan.

2c) The sojourning must be in a land that is NOT theirs.
Genesis:15:13,14 "And HE said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a STRANGER in a LAND THAT IS NOT THEIRS, and shall SERVE THEM: and they[EGYPTIANS] shall afflict them[ISRAELITES] 400years;
And also that NATION[EGYPT], whom they[ISRAELITES and surely NOT including EDOMITES who born of Isaac] shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they[Israelites] come out with great substance."


2c) Esau is also Isaac's SEED but to say Isaac in Egypt we have to include ESAU too but this is not the case because ESAU has become a nation with dukes born to him already and was not afflicted in Egypt.

2e) It was Joseph the 1st perSON of JACOB the SEED who was afflicted in Egypt being sold when he was 17years old which was 30years after Jacob's sojourning in other lands.

2f) Joseph was born on the 14th year after Jacob wanted to leave Laban but was stopped to work for wages.
See Genesis30:25:"And it came to pass, when Rachel had born Joseph, that Jacob said unto Laban, Send me away, that I may go unto mine own place, and to my country."
Note that this was after Jacob served Laban for 2sets of 7years which means 14th year of sojourning in Laban' place which is not Jacob's.
So Joseph was born 14years in sojourning and adding the 16years before he was sold age17 into Egypt made it simple calculation that it was Israel's 30years sojourning before Joseph went into that NATION EGYPT as STRANGER fulfilling the PROPHECY PERFECTLY.
see Genesis37:1-25

2g) see website and note 400years+30years and note MOSES was the 4th Generation of JACOB{Levi=1st,Kohath=2nd,Amram=3rd: see Exodus6:16-16& 1Chronicles6:1-3} during EXODUS
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360 vs. 365 By Guy Cramer

360 Day Years - Fact or Fiction

Did the earth have a 360-day year with a 30-day lunar month within the last 3,000 years?

Our year is actually 365.2422 days and our lunar month (from new moon to new moon) is 29.531 days.

So why did early civilizations around the world use calendars with months of 30 days and years of 360 days? These calendars seemed to function well until sometime in the 8th century BC when suddenly it became necessary to change them. Most civilizations around the world began to modify their calendars to allow for 5 extra days for the year and 6 fewer days for a lunar year. A lunar year is 12 full months; a modern lunar year is 354 days (12 months x 29.5 days).

Were these early civilizations incapable of accurately measuring the astronomical cycles that governed their calendars prior to the 8th century?

The 8th century BC was a time between 799 BC - 700 BC. Let's look to the Bible in that period of time to see if we can find any changes mentioned. There are a number of books in the Bible that were written during this time. 2nd Kings, Amos, Hosea, Micah, Isaiah... In the book of Isaiah we find the story of the sundial going backwards.

This is the earliest mention of a sundial in historical literature.

Isaiah 38 tells us about Hezekiah king of Judah, a man near death, told by Isaiah to put his house in order because God told Isaiah that Hezekiah would die and not live. Hezekiah prays to God and God tells Isaiah that He has heard Hezekiah's prayer and will add 15 years to his life. God even says to Isaiah that He will give Hezekiah a sign that God will do this.

"Behold, I will bring the shadow on the sundial of Ahaz ten degrees backward." So the sun returned ten degrees on the dial by which it had gone down. (Isaiah 38:8)

This story is repeated in 2 Kings 20:1-11

How much time would this 10 degrees take?

360 degree circle (on the sundial), divided by 12 hours of sunlight (average day) = 30 degrees per hour

1/3 of an hour = 20 minutes

10 degrees would = 20 minutes.

Now a modern sundial is round and would only show a 180 degree change for 12 hours, but the sundials from this time were not round but a set of stairs that had two sides that stepped up towards each other and met in the middle. We don't know how many steps this particular sundial of Ahaz had. If it had 360 steps then 20 minutes could be an accurate estimate.

Why 360 steps? The Hebrew in Isaiah can be translated literally as steps (NIV) but it can also mean degrees (KJV), so if the meaning were 10 degrees then 360 degrees would = 360 steps.

A sundial positioned properly with 360 steps could tell you not only what hour of the day it was but also what day of the year it was (if the year had 360 days).

Some commentaries on this sign of the sundial going backwards have said that it could have been due to sun refraction. Would the creator of the universe give a sign that could be confused with natural phenomenon? These commentaries would be written by people of little faith.

Now this gets quite interesting:

The earth is orbiting the sun at 29.79 km/s (kilometers per second) and has been doing so for many thousands of years. This constant speed of 29.79 km/s means that to make one orbit of the sun (one complete circle) will take 365.2422 days.


If we speed up the orbit of the earth to 30.22379 km/s we would end up with a year that is 360 days long.

If we had a year of 360 days and slowed the orbit of the earth from 30.22379 km/s back to 29.79 km/s then the year would equal our current solar year; 365.2422 days per year.

The difference in speed between 365.2422 days per year and 360 days per year is equal to 20.9688 minutes per day. This is not a difference in our 24-hour time period but it would take the earth 20.9688 minutes less time per day to travel that same distance in the orbit around the sun.

365.2422 days -20.9688 minutes per day = 360 days

If you had a year = 360 days per year and slowed the orbit of the earth around the sun by 0.433792 km/s (The difference between 30.22379 km/s and 29.79 km/s), you would end up with a year that takes 365.2422 days. This slower speed would cause 5.2422 days extra per year to make one complete revolution around the sun.

There is no time dilation or anything extraordinary here. We have only slowed the speed of the earth down. We have not changed spin of the earth in a 24-hour period and we have not changed the speed of the moon around the earth.

However, if the earth had a year of 360 days per year (= earth's orbital speed of 30.22379 km/s) the moon would now automatically have a 30 day lunar month without changing the speed of the orbit of the moon!

Confused, let me elaborate.
With our modern calendar the Moon takes about 27.3 days to make one complete orbit around the earth with relation to the stars.


But the earth is also moving around the sun draging the moon with it. The earth orbits around the sun once every 365.2422 days (= earth's orbital speed of 29.79 km/s). The earth and moon in 27.3 days have moved as a system about 1/12 of the ways around the sun. This means that from one full moon to the next full moon, the moon must travel 2.2 extra days before it appears full this is due to the curve of the earth's orbit around the sun. The moon is still making one complete orbit (circle) in 27.3 days, but to line up with the earth and sun to become a full moon again it takes 29.531 days.

29.531 day lunar months x 12 lunar months = 354.372 days per lunar year
A difference of 10.87 days a year between a lunar year and a solar year of 365.2422 days per year.


If we did not speed up the orbit of the earth but had our current speed of 29.79 km/s and let the earth travel half a day further, then after 29.9 days we see that the moon has gone half a day past the full moon. (To achieve a full moon the moon must be in a straight line with the middle of the earth and the sun.)

With a calendar of 360 days per year:
Now if we changed nothing else except to increase the speed of the earth's orbit to 30.22379 km/s to achieve a 360 day year, then the time it takes from one full moon to the next full moon would be 29.96785 days (30 days). The moon would still be making one complete orbit every 27.3 days but the moon would now need to travel 2.6785 extra days (added to the 27.3 days) to become full again.

29.96785 day months x 12 months = 359.6142 days per lunar year
A difference of 9 hours a year between a lunar year and a solar year of exactly 360 days per year.

By adjusting the speed of the earth around the sun to give us a year of 360 days we automatically end up with a month that equals 30 days (29.96785 days). It just so happens that all ancient calendars had 12 - 30 day months, which equaled 360 days. These ancient calendars also had 1 solar year = 360 days!

All these 360-day solar/lunar year calendars suddenly begin to change in the 8th century BC to either a 365 day solar year or a lunar year of 354 days per year (or both). Which match our modern calendars.

In the 8th century BC, the Bible tells us the sun moved backward on a sundial, our calculations estimate that this distance on the sundial would equal about 20 minutes. A miracle so subtle you would only notice if you were watching a sundial.

The difference between 360-day year with a 30-day month and our 365.2422-day year with a 29.531-day month is orbital speed, which can also be translated into time, about 20 minutes extra per day.

We're not done yet

The Book of Enoch.

While doing this research I came across a reference to the Book of Enoch.

Enoch was the seventh generation from Adam. (Genesis 5:18-24)

The Book of Enoch is known as an "apocryphal" writing,

"Apocryphal" comes from the Greek word meaning "hidden" or "secret".

These apocryphal book's, were considered by some to be sacred and they were taught alongside the bible, both by the Jews and the early Christian leaders. These books were usually reserved for leaders and teachers only, leading to the term - secret.

In the 4th century AD some prominent church leaders decided that the book of Enoch should be destroyed, because they did not agree with some of the statements made in the text. So the Book of Enoch was pretty much wiped from the face of the earth, except for 3 copies that had survived (hidden) at a church in Ethiopia. These copies were found in 1773, which brought about the controversy on the date of origin for these copies.

The Book was once believed to be 1st century post-Christian in origin because of the similarities in some of the text.

Then they found the Dead Sea Scrolls at Qumran with ten fragments of Enoch manuscripts among the scrolls. Many of the Scrolls predate the Christian era by hundreds of years.

Part of the problem with the book may be that additions were added to any original copies owing to the confusion. Chapters 37-71 of the Ethiopian copies were probably added to the original after or during the time of Jesus since no fragments of these chapters were found with any of the Dead Sea Scrolls. There seem to be many similarities between the New Testament books and these chapters, which may indicate that they were written during or after the first century.

The only reason I give any mention at all the Book of Enoch is that the New Testament Book of Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch

Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also saying, " Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousand of His saints, to execute judgment on all, to convict all of their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him."
(Jude 1:14-15)

Compare this with:

And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy all the ungodly:
And to convict all flesh Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.
(The Book of Enoch 1:9)

The Book of Enoch in the Chapter 74 gives us some detailed astronomical data that does not match our current measurements.

We read in the Book of Enoch that a solar year = 364 days
A lunar year (12 months x 29.5 days) 354 days, falls behind a solar year by 10 days.
Enoch takes these calculations farther and states that in 8 years the moon falls behind 80 days.
So a lunar year will fall behind a solar year by 80 days after 8 years.

With our current 365.2422 days per year and lunar year equal to 354.372 days, then in 8 years the moon will fall behind by 86.9616 days.

The Chart below shows difference between the solar year and lunar year if we are only speeding up the orbit of the Earth around the sun.

Speed of Earth's Orbit = Days per
Solar Year Days per
Lunar Month Days per
Lunar Year (12 lunar months) Days difference
after 8 years
29.79 km/s = 365.2422 29.531 354.372 86.9616
29.80977 km/s = 365 29.56651 354.79812 81.61504
29.89166 km/s = 364 29.63452 355.61424 67.08608
29.97401 km/s = 363 29.71785 356.6142 51.0864
30.05681 km/s = 362 29.80118 357.61416 35.08672
30.14007 km/s = 361 29.88452 358.61424 19.08608
30.22379 km/s = 360 29.96785 359.6142 3.0864

Would Enoch's 80-day difference be possible with a 364-day year using the same calculation?

Speed of Earth's Orbit = Days per
Solar Year Days per
Lunar Month Days per
Lunar Year (12 lunar months) Days difference
after 8 years
29.82 km/s = 364.81 29.567017 354.804204 80.0464

Again the moon is still making one rotation every 27.3 days in everyone of the above calculations. The differences are due to the speed of the earth's orbit around the sun.

If this part of the Book of Enoch was written by Enoch then the speed of the earth around the sun was 29.82 km/s during his time, which would equal a solar year of 364.81 days and a lunar month of 29.567017 days.

Enoch was the Great Grandfather of Noah. If parts of the book are genuine (authored by Enoch) then his observations were made before the flood.

Read what the Book of Enoch says about the coming judgement in Chapter 80:2

The Book of Enoch 80:2-8
2 And in the days of the sinners the years shall be shortened,
And their seed shall be tardy on their lands and fields,
And all things on the earth shall alter,
And shall not appear in their time:
And the rain shall be kept back
And the heaven shall withhold (it).
3 And in those times the fruits of the earth shall be backward,
And shall not grow in their time,
And the fruits of the trees shall be withheld in their time.
4 And the moon shall alter her order,
And not appear at her time.
5 [And in those days the sun shall be seen and he shall journey in the evening on the extremity of the great chariot in the west]
And shall shine more brightly than accords with the order of light.
6 And many chiefs of the stars shall transgress the order (prescribed).
And these shall alter their orbits and tasks,
And not appear at the seasons prescribed to them.
7 And the whole order of the stars shall be concealed from the sinners,
And the thoughts of those on the earth shall err concerning them,
[And they shall be altered from all their ways],
Yea, they shall err and take them to be gods.
8 And evil shall be multiplied upon them,
And punishment shall come upon them So as to destroy all.'

Interesting how Enoch would make a prophecy that the years shall be shortened. Just by speeding up the orbit of the earth will fulfill the most of his above statements. Given enough time a 364-day calendar is going to be out by 4 days every year if the year was shortened to 360 days per year (verse 2). The moon will be 6 days different per year (verse 4).

During the time of the flood Noah tells us that a 150 days started on the seventeenth day of the second month, and ended on the seventeenth day of the seventh month (Genesis 7:11,24 and 8:3-4).
150 days divided by 30 days a month = 5 months
30 days x 12 months = 360 days

Did they have a similar 364-365 day year to our own at the time of Enoch before the flood?
Did Enoch prophesize about the 360-day year that was to befall Noah's time?
Could this orbital speed change cause the biblical flood?

Do we embrace the Book of Enoch?

The answer to the last question is no. There could be parts of the book that may be written by Enoch. The problem is this - which parts? If chapters 37-71 were added during the 1st century then how much of the rest of the Book is tainted. There are also a number of areas of the book with which I have difficulty with.

Jude, (son of Mary and Joseph) the half brother of Jesus, quotes directly from one passage in Enoch. Is he quoting fiction or did Enoch really say that?

The detailed astronomical data in the book just happens to match precisely to the calculations with earth's orbital speed shifts. Until the time of Galileo this would have been guesswork at best. Copies of the astronomical text's portions of the book of Enoch were discovered with the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Without using this apocryphal writing - the Book of Enoch, is there a Biblical case for 365-day years before the flood?

In my last paper #Y115 the data seems to indicate that God placed the life span limit on man to 120 years of 365 days per year. God made His decision 100 years before the flood in Genesis 6:3. Noah indicates that during the flood the year was 360 days long with 30-day months (Genesis 7:11,24 and 8:3-4). Then in Genesis 11:10 (2 years after the flood) there could be some confusion over which calendar to use 365 days per year or 360 days per year (see paper #Y112).

This Biblical data seems to indicate that before the flood the calendar could have consisted of approximately 365 days per year. Then the years changed to 360 days per year - this would take some time to get use to which may account for the confusion in Genesis 11:10. Then the year again became our modern 365.2422 days per year - possibly in the 8th century as reflected in the calendar changes around the world at this time.

Isn't it strange how the story of Jehoiada and his long life span (see: #Y115) only works with God's rule from Genesis 6:3, only if the years were equal to 365 days per year when the rule was made. This will only work if we account for Jehoiada's years past 120 as being added on by God for a time that is equal to the years Jehoiada hid Joash. Then we read the story in Isaiah 38, which tells us about God adding years to Hezekiah's life and using a miracle to prove it. That miracle and the calculations that surround it begin the discovery of a simple way (speed of the earth's orbit) of converting a 360 day year with a 30 day month to our modern 365.2422 day year with a lunar month equal to 29.531 days. Of course the Creator of the universe (God) is the only being capable of altering the speed of the earth's orbit faster or slower.

Interestingly enough earth may be headed for a 360-day year again!

Daniel 7:25 speaks about the last part of the tribulation with the Antichrist in power as lasting three-and-one-half years. The book of Revelation 11:2 and 13:5 describes the same period of time as being 42 months. Revelation 11:3 and 12:6 tells us that it is 1,260 days.

1,260 days divided by 42 months = 30 days per month.
42 months of 30 days per month = 3 1/2 years exactly of 360 days per year

To achieve a 30 day month the earth's orbit around the sun must be speed up so a year would = 360 days

Jesus speaking on the tribulation:
"And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elects (chosen ones) sake those days will be shortened.
(Matthew 24:22)

"But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be."
(Matthew 24:37)

Our Calendar of 365.2422 days per year x 3.5 years = 1278.3477 days
Revelations Calendar of 360 days per year x 3.5 years = 1260
This time period of 3.5 years would be shortened by 18.3477 days

By the way, according to the bible (Genesis 5:23,24)(Hebrews 11:5) Enoch did not die, but was taken (harpazod) by God when he was in his 365th year.

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Here the apostle goes on to commend charity, and show how much it is preferable to the gifts on which the Corinthians were so apt to pride themselves, to the utter neglect, and almost extinction, of charity. This he makes out,
I. From its longer continuance and duration: Charity never faileth. It is a permanent and perpetual grace, lasting as eternity; whereas the extraordinary gifts on which the Corinthians valued themselves were of short continuance. They were only to edify the church on earth, and that but for a time, not during its whole continuance in this world; but in heaven would be all superseded, which yet is the very seat and element of love. Prophecy must fail, that is, either the prediction of things to come (which is its most common sense) or the interpretation of scripture by immediate inspiration. Tongues will cease, that is, the miraculous power of speaking languages without learning them. There will be but one language in heaven. There is no confusion of tongues in the region of perfect tranquility. And knowledge will vanish away. Not that, in the perfect state above, holy and happy souls shall be unknowing, ignorant: it is a very poor happiness that can consist with utter ignorance. The apostle is plainly speaking of miraculous gifts, and therefore of knowledge to be had out of the common way (see 1 Cor 14:6), a knowledge of mysteries supernaturally communicated. Such knowledge was to vanish away. Some indeed understand it of common knowledge acquired by instruction, taught and learnt. This way of knowing is to vanish away, though the knowledge itself, once acquired, will not be lost. But it is plain that the apostle is here setting the grace of charity in opposition to supernatural gifts. And it is more valuable, because more durable; it shall last, when they shall be no more; it shall enter into heaven, where they will have no place, because they will be of no use, though, in a sense, even our common knowledge may be said to cease in heaven, by reason of the improvement that will then be made in it. The light of a candle is perfectly obscured by the sun shining in its strength.
II. He hints that these gifts are adapted only to a state of imperfection: We know in part, and we prophesy in part, v. 9. Our best knowledge and our greatest abilities are at present like our condition, narrow and temporary. Even the knowledge they had by inspiration was but in part. How little a portion of God, and the unseen world, was heard even by apostles and inspired men! How much short do others come of them! But these gifts were fitted to the present imperfect state of the church, valuable in themselves, but not to be compared with charity, because they were to vanish with the imperfections of the church, nay, and long before, whereas charity was to last for ever.
III. He takes occasion hence to show how much better it will be with the church hereafter than it can be here. A state of perfection is in view (v. 10): When that which is perfect shall come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When the end is once attained, the means will of course be abolished. There will be no need of tongues, and prophecy, and inspired knowledge, in a future life, because then the church will be in a state of perfection, complete both in knowledge and holiness. God will be known then clearly, and in a manner by intuition, and as perfectly as the capacity of glorified minds will allow; not by such transient glimpses, and little portions, as here. The difference between these two states is here pointed at in two particulars:
1. The present state is a state of childhood, the future that of manhood: When I was a child, I spoke as a child (that is, as some think, spoke with tongues), I understood as a child; ephronoun - sapiebam (that is, "I prophesied, I was taught the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, in such an extraordinary way as manifested I was not out of my childish state"), I thought, or reasoned, elogizomen, as a child; but, when I became a man, I put away childish things. Such is the difference between earth and heaven. What narrow views, what confused and indistinct notions of things, have children, in comparison of grown men! And how naturally do men, when reason is ripened and matured, despise and relinquish their infant thoughts, put them away, reject them, esteem as nothing! Thus shall we think of our most valued gifts and acquisitions in this world, when we come to heaven. We shall despise our childish folly, in priding ourselves in such things when we are grown up to men in Christ.
2. Things are all dark and confused now, in comparison of what they will be hereafter: Now we see through a glass darkly (ev ainigmati, in a riddle), then face to face; now we know in part, but then we shall know as we are known. Now we can only discern things at a great distance, as through a telescope, and that involved in clouds and obscurity; but hereafter the things to be known will be near and obvious, open to our eyes; and our knowledge will be free from all obscurity and error. God is to be seen face to face; and we are to know him as we are known by him; not indeed as perfectly, but in some sense in the same manner. We are known to him by mere inspection; he turns his eye towards us, and sees and searches us throughout. We shall then fix our eye on him, and see him as he is, 1 John 3:2. We shall know how we are known, enter into all the mysteries of divine love and grace. O glorious change! To pass from darkness to light, from clouds to the clear sunshine of our Saviour's face, and in God's own light to see light! Ps 36:9. Note, It is the light of heaven only that will remove all clouds and darkness from the face of God. It is at best but twilight while we are in this world; there it will be perfect and eternal day.
IV. To sum up the excellences of charity, he prefers it not only to gifts, but to other graces, to faith and hope (v. 13): And now abide faith, hope, and charity; but the greatest of these is charity. True grace is much more excellent than any spiritual gifts whatever. And faith, hope, and love, are the three principal graces, of which charity is the chief, being the end to which the other two are but means. This is the divine nature, the soul's felicity, or its complacential rest in God, and holy delight in all his saints. And it is everlasting work, when faith and hope shall be no more. Faith fixes on the divine revelation, and assents to that: hope fastens on future felicity, and waits for that: and in heaven faith will be swallowed up in vision, and hope in fruition. There is no room to believe and hope, when we see and enjoy. But love fastens on the divine perfections themselves, and the divine image on the creatures, and our mutual relation both to God and them. These will all shine forth in the most glorious splendours in another world, and there will love be made perfect; there we shall perfectly love God, because he will appear amiable for ever, and our hearts will kindle at the sight, and glow with perpetual devotion. And there shall we perfectly love one another, when all the saints meet there, when none but saints are there, and saints made perfect. O blessed state! How much surpassing the best below! O amiable and excellent grace of charity! How much does it exceed the most valuable gift, when it outshines every grace, and is the everlasting consummation of them! When faith and hope are at an end, true charity will burn for ever with the brightest flame. Note, Those border most upon the heavenly state and perfection whose hearts are fullest of this divine principle, and burn with the most fervent charity. It is the surest offspring of God, and bears his fairest impression. For God is love, 1 John 4:8,16. And where God is to be seen as he is, and face to face, there charity is in its greatest height-there, and there only, will it be perfected.

(from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition, Electronic Database. Copyright © 1991 by Hendrickson Publishers, Inc.)

Re: Pharaohs of Joseph and Moses - the Exodus in historical context

Steven
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Another comment about the biblical calendar:

Source: http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/documents/Bak_360vs365.htm

Without using this apocryphal writing - the Book of Enoch, is there a Biblical case for 365-day years before the flood?

In my last paper #Y115 the data seems to indicate that God placed the life span limit on man to 120 years of 365 days per year. God made His decision 100 years before the flood in Genesis 6:3. Noah indicates that during the flood the year was 360 days long with 30-day months (Genesis 7:11,24 and 8:3-4). Then in Genesis 11:10 (2 years after the flood) there could be some confusion over which calendar to use 365 days per year or 360 days per year (see paper #Y112).

This Biblical data seems to indicate that before the flood the calendar could have consisted of approximately 365 days per year. Then the years changed to 360 days per year - this would take some time to get use to which may account for the confusion in Genesis 11:10. Then the year again became our modern 365.2422 days per year - possibly in the 8th century as reflected in the calendar changes around the world at this time.

Isn't it strange how the story of Jehoiada and his long life span (see: #Y115) only works with God's rule from Genesis 6:3, only if the years were equal to 365 days per year when the rule was made. This will only work if we account for Jehoiada's years past 120 as being added on by God for a time that is equal to the years Jehoiada hid Joash. Then we read the story in Isaiah 38, which tells us about God adding years to Hezekiah's life and using a miracle to prove it. That miracle and the calculations that surround it begin the discovery of a simple way (speed of the earth's orbit) of converting a 360 day year with a 30 day month to our modern 365.2422 day year with a lunar month equal to 29.531 days. Of course the Creator of the universe (God) is the only being capable of altering the speed of the earth's orbit faster or slower.


mike

3) How to define the years?

The Earth normally takes 24hours to complete 1 ROUND ITSELF as it travels around the SUN in 1 YEAR which is defined by the number of DAYS the Earth takes to complete 1 round the SUN.


God’s CREATION CALENDAR = 360 Days per YEAR


In the beginning there was 360days per year because there was NO (hot-summer nor cold-winter) seasons yet which is only started after the POLE SHIFT from Noah’s FLOOD.
The Earth’s rotation became Elliptical and required estimated 4 extra days [spring equinox, summer solstice, fall equinox, winter solstice] to complete 1 round the SUN.

AFTER POLE SHIFT CALENDAR = 364 Days per YEAR


Then during the DAYS of Joshua’s war entering the Promised Land, there was about 1 whole day the SUN & MOON stood still which added 1 day to the YEAR.

Joshua:10:13: “And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.”

AFTER JOSHUA CALENDAR = 365 Days per YEAR


Then during the DAYS of King Hezekiah ’s reign the Lord slowed the day by 10degrees, which was about quarter day the SUN’s SOLAR CALENDAR was lengthened & MOON’s LUNAR CALENDAR shortened by 10days thereby giving many confusions following the changes in the CALENDAR YEARS.

2Kings:20:10,11: “And Hezekiah answered, It is a light thing for the shadow to go down ten degrees: nay, but let the shadow return backward ten degrees.
And Isaiah the prophet cried unto the LORD: and he brought the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone down in the dial of Ahaz.”


AFTER HEZEKIAH CALENDAR = 365.25 Days per YEAR of LUNI-SOLAR CALENDAR

New Lunar CALENDAR = 354.5 Days for MOON to spin 12 rounds the Earth.


3a) Why didn’t Genesis chapter1 include the months? Is the Lesser Light the Dark Star or Moon?

The months are only defined if there is a MOON or Satellite of the Earth.
The Earth was tilted causing Extinction Level Event and only after that was the MONTH recorded in Genesis Chapter 7.

Note: The MOON was formed possibly from Earth or PLANET MARS or the destroyed PLANET of ASTEROID BELT after the Collision with the DARK (Hot Invisible) STAR
And then brought to the Earth as the MOON during the DARK STAR’s 1st ENTERING of OUR SOLAR SYSTEM.
This could be 1month+10days or 40days before Noah entered the Ark
And then FLOOD came on the 17th of the 2nd month.
The Moon was then later used to reflect SUN-LIGHT in the Night to the Earth and the Phases of the NEW MOON and FULL MOON were determined to know the Days of the MONTHs.


There could be 12 months of 30 Days for the 360 Day per Year Calendar in God’s Creation Calendar.
The most recent Lunar Calendar uses 12 months of average 29.5 Days for the total of average 354.5 per YEAR.

Note: the MOON takes more than 12 rotations to complete 1 round the SUN
in a LUNI-SOLAR YEAR Calendar and (7) LEAP months has to be added within the 19years cycles.

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quoted for comparison with quote 'year definition' in earlier post to see whether the below is more logical?

1) in the beginning the earth was PERFECTLY SPHERICAL in SHAPE and so rotates 360degrees in a CIRCLE when GOD PRONOUNCED everything WAS GOOD.

2) There was no rain yet.

3) Mankind lived longer by many hundred years. The longest was about 989years old and the earth has to be 360days meaning lesser gravity and see Gimel's comments in post 'kill only by beheading in those days' because man could not die by bleeding...

4) Enoch was given the 'Prophecy of 4 additional days for the seasons'...Note that 4 seasons were only fulfilled after Earth was tilted.

5) Then Noah's time, after Flood Judgment, there was this 4days added making the earth' orbit Elliptical in shape and so compensated for the equilibrium and moon was used to protect the earth and change the tides of the seas.

6) So Earth was slowed down from 360 to 364days per year.

7) Then Earth was slowed down by 1day during Joshua's war whereby Sun&Moon was still about a whole day.

8 ) So Earth was slowed down slightly further from 364 to 365days per year.

9) Then Earth was slowed down by 10degrees which causes the Moon to be offset with the SUN because ONLY the SUN was affecting the SUNDIAL and not the moon.

10) Note 360degree is 360days...so 10degree backward is 10days shortening too.

11) So Earth was slowed down slightly from 365 to 365.2422days per year. This is the SOLAR YEAR.
AT THE SAME TIME...10days shortening of the LUNAR YEAR by 10days from this 10degree EVENT.


12) That is why during this '8th century' the LUNAR CALENDAR was changed and because WORLDWIDE PEOPLE or farmers uses MOON(new or Full) to determine the MONTHS and that is why SO MUCH CONFUSION after this CHANGE.

13) the 'QUOTED suggestion that beginning of 365 shorten to 360 then lengthen to 365 day per year' does not seem to be corresponding with the ONE & ONLY Extinction Level EVENT being recorded since NOAH's FLOOD...confirming POLE SHIFT when EARTH's rotation changed by 4days.

14) There is another point that we should not equate 42months as 1260 days for the coming shortening of days.

15) We should be reminded that time,times, and half a time does not ONLY mean 3.5years.

16) Isaiah:24:20: "The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard...and it shall fall, and not rise again."
There is a possibility that Earth would FALL from the present ORBIT as EARTH was PULLED NEARER to the SUN by PLANet CHRIST IF PLANet Mercury was FALLEN because GOD is going to SHAKE HEAVEN and PLANETs will fall from their orbits.
If earth was pulled nearer and falls below Sun's equatorial region...Earth could really spin faster and yet not burned by the shrinking sun.

17) Pls note that I am PUREly SPECULATING on MY PART in what I feel is logical and pointing out what I feel is illogical... that's all.
Romans3:4"...let God be true, but every man a liar..."

18 ) With this in mind, we need not speculate the DAYS after RAPTURE or YEARS before FLOOD and ALL BC years are WRONG.

19) Till we meet Christ and understand ALL THINGS...

Re: Pharaohs of Joseph and Moses - the Exodus in historical context

This is why I post these disclaimers

[Steven] Note: Everyone has a little variation how the times and events of today relate to the bible
many different opinions to the date of Jesus birth but it is always best to pray for discernment and also that God will lead us to the truth.

Always pray for revelation, illumination and guidance by the HOLY SPIRIT to lead us to all TRUTH.

Each posting will hopefully lead us to greater and greater truth.


I pray that each and EVERY posting on this site will encourage, edify, exhort and bring us all closer as a family while we patiently look forward to the soon RAPTURE of the CHURCH.

COME LORD JESUS COME!!!

Maranatha!!!

God Bless

Steven

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because as much as we would like to think we have all the answers we don't until God reveals them to us in heaven.
Even in heaven we will constantly be learning.

[Mike]
17) Pls note that I am PUREly SPECULATING on MY PART in what I feel is logical and pointing out what I feel is illogical... that's all.
Romans3:4"...let God be true, but every man a liar..."



Nice to see this quote from you regarding things we do not yet know....

"Charity"

Amen.....

Re: Pharaohs of Joseph and Moses - the Exodus in historical context

Amen!

Prophecies shall fail; Tongues shall cease; Knowledge shall vanish away...Only Charity never fails!

1Corinthians:13:8: "Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away."