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"Did you ever hear of: Chevlei Mashiach ?? "Birth pangs of the Messiah" Neither had I...."


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Randy (3 Sep 2011)
"Did you ever hear of: Chevlei Mashiach ?? "Birth pangs of the Messiah" Neither had I...."


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Untill I read that peice on http://www.getreadyforJesus.com

On printed page 7, item 13..... (right after the part on "I could write pages on the year 2018......" he writes of this.

Another Website excerpt, see below.

Incredibly, Chevlei Mashiach is "the birthpangs of the Messiah" that PRECEEDS the coming of the Jewish Messiah. (the return of Jesus!)
This man's article on getreadyforJesus..... says "some say, these birth pangs are to last 70 years...with the last 7 years being the most INTENSE period of the Tribulation."

WHAT???? If that is so.....then, here's how I/he sees it:

Israel was born again.....in a day....in 1948. ADD 67 years of the birth pangs of the Messiah (all the wars and challenges of Israel just to remain a nation...!) and you get what? 2011!!!

See what it said then? " says "some say, these birth pangs are to last 70 years...with the last 7 years being the most INTENSE period of the Tribulation."

In other words......NOW comes the last 7 years.....the Tribulation...the Time of Jacob's Trouble !! Taking us from 2011 up to 2018 and the Return of Jesus Christ.

Hmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chevlei Mashiach – Birthpangs of the Messiah

חבל משיח “Chevlei Mashiach” means the “Birthpangs of the Messiah.” Messianic Judaism (All Judaism is by theory Messianic) teaches that the arrival of Mashiach is accompanied by birth pangs. This is also sometimes referred to as the “Time of Jacob’s Trouble.”
Jewish writings often refer to the birthpangs of Mashiach - Chevlei Mashiach. These birthpangs are the corporate suffering of the Jewish people and of the Messiah who sits at the right hand of the Father and cries with us until the time of the final redemption comes. Only our Father in heaven knows the time and hour of Mashiach’s coming. We are now at the conclusion of the Galut (exile). We have been through the labors of beirurim - (sifting) and refining with all their attendant trials. Moreover, we have been through some of the "birthpangs of Mashiach," those awesome events that have taken place in our generation (Israel as Nation, Jerusalem as its capital, Sanhedrin established, the war in Iraq, etc). It is now clear and obvious that we are standing at the threshold of the Redemption. Like Yosef and His brothers, Maran Rabbeinu Yeshua HaMashiach has been kept hidden from His brethren until the appointed time. Our holy Rabbi has been made king in a Gentile world that has changed his name, identity and appearance. Yet like Yosef, all this will have been for the purpose of a great redemption. But now the day has come when he must remove, as Yosef did, his Gentile clothes and reveal Himself to those who, for a long time, have not recognized him. For two thousand years, He has watched his Jewish brothers suffer, dispersed among the nations without a leader or king. Their suffering has been his own. Surely, in this last generation the birthpangs of Messiah and His people have been the greatest. Yet in the darkest of hours there is hope, for just as birth is preceded and accompanied by birthpangs, the Sages tell us that there are likewise ‘pangs of Mashiach’ in the generation in which the Son of David will appear. And just as birthpangs hamper a birth, the greatest outcry in that generation will come when the obstacles are most numerous.


I'm geting excited!!!!

TICK TOCK,
YFIC,
Randy

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Sep 5, 2011 - 3:19AM
Re: "Did you ever hear of: Chevlei Mashiach ?? "Birth pangs of the Messiah" Neither had I...."


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Steve Coerper (5 Sep 2011)
"Re: Chevlei Mashiach?? "Birth pangs of the Messiah""

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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/sep2011/randy93-3.htm

Dear John, Randy and Doves -

Randy, you mentioned something in your posting that really caught my attention. At the bottom, in the material from Chevlei Mashiach, the article says,
Moreover, we have been through some of the "birthpangs of Mashiach," those awesome events that have taken place in our generation (Israel as Nation, Jerusalem as its capital, Sanhedrin established, the war in Iraq, etc).
Wikipedia goes into some detail regarding the difficulties of the re-establishment of the Sanhedrin, but the Sanhedrin must be in place before the fulfillment of the "Feast of Trumpets." Why? Because the REAL Feast (up to now, they've all been "dress rehearsals") cannot begin until the two witnesses (see Rev. 11:3) testify before the Sanhedrin that they have observed the New Moon.
Yom Teruah is the only festival that no man knows when exactly it will occur. This is due to the fact that it begins on the new moon. The new moon was sanctified when two witnesses see the new moon and attest to it before the Sanhedrin in the Temple. ("The Rapture on Rosh Hashanah")
Without a duly-constituted Sanhedrin in place, there would be no one for the witnesses to testify to. I seriously doubt that this year, Rosh Hashanah will begin with two random guys - I think it's gonna be the beginning of something MAJOR.

We shall see, of course. And possibly from the mezzanine this time.

Best,

Steve
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