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Would Israel 's 7million people be desroyed and left only 144000?

Dear Steven, Gimel, ATTY, Jennice, Helena, Bob, Jeb, LTTC and ALL,

144000 sealed in Israel
from LANDs of ALL nations?
or in the LAND of ISRAEL?

Revelation:7:4: "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."

I have a feeling that Many Millions in Israel would be destroyed in 6th Seal event or by the Gog/Magog event...

Would there be 2/3 destructions in Israel?

Zechariah:13:8-9: "And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
v9: And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God."


so after this destruction....leaving the HOST trodden under foot and the Temple Mount divided fulfilling Daniel's prophecy below:-

Daniel:8:11-14: "Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
v12: And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
v13: Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
v14: And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."





Any comments?

Re: Would Israel 's 7million people be desroyed and left only 144000?

Mike,
That's a very interesting hypothesis, and one in which I have never considered. Good thinking.
However, based on rev 14:3,4, i have to believe that these 144,000 are the first fruits of the redeemed Israel during the tribulation. In other words, according to Romans 11 Israel is going to come back to the Lord and be grafted in again to the tree from which they were broken off. There will be 144,000 Jews that come to faith during the tribulation and of which will also be the first fruits of the new restored Israel.

But supposing that it could be 144,000 left after their war is very intriguing to ponder...

Re: Would Israel 's 7million people be desroyed and left only 144000?

Jeb
Mike,
That's a very interesting hypothesis, and one in which I have never considered. Good thinking.
However, based on rev 14:3,4, i have to believe that these 144,000 are the first fruits of the redeemed Israel during the tribulation. In other words, according to Romans 11 Israel is going to come back to the Lord and be grafted in again to the tree from which they were broken off. There will be 144,000 Jews that come to faith during the tribulation and of which will also be the first fruits of the new restored Israel.

But supposing that it could be 144,000 left after their war is very intriguing to ponder...


Thanks Jeb

I quote the verses which you mentioned below for our pondering too...

Revelation:14:3,4:
"And they sung as it were a new song before the throne,
and before the four beasts,
and the elders:
and no man could learn that song
but the hundred and forty and four thousand,
which were redeemed from the earth.


These are they which were not defiled with women;
for they are virgins.
These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth.
These were redeemed from among men,
being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb."


Re-reading or studying the verses again may lead to a complete different understanding to me...

SENARIO 1
Could we be the 144000 who are sealed for the 1st Rapture?

Are we not considered to be like these 144000 redeemed from every 12tribes by Jesus the Lamb?
which followed the Lamb Jesus Christ
like the Philadelphia Church?
Aren't we the firstfruits?
Aren't we the wise virgins waiting for the Bridegroom?
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SENARIO 2
Could these 144000 who are sealed are the ones who fled with the Woman into wilderness for 1260days after the Abomination?

Then how are these 144000 from every 12tribes redeemed by Jesus the Lamb? After Rapture or Grace Period?

How is it that these 144000 followed the Lamb Jesus Christ?
Are these 144000, the firstfruits for being Normal Mankind and not resurrected in Rapture?
Are these 144000, the wise virgins waiting for the Marriage Supper? The Supper of Jesus and us the Bride?
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Wow!

Maybe even the total number of all the Elects of the Entire World including Israel who could survive this Great Tribulation is ONLY 144000?

No wonder Jesus mentioned that if He had not shortened the days...no flesh would be saved.

God had protected His Elect.

Maybe there is SENARIO 3 or 4 or 70?