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Iran's Judgment, Israel's Revival

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Iran's Judgment, Israel's Revival

Today we know it by its current name Iran. The nation was actually called Persia, its Biblical name, until 1935. Persia was one of the former great empires of the world, ruling from 539 B.C. to 331 B.C, until they were conquered by Alexander the Great. Persia was also the setting for the book in the Bible entitled Esther. Ironically, the book of Esther tells how a Jewish girl became the queen of Persia and how God used her to save her people from a plot to destroy them. The book also explains how a special festival, called Purim, was established to remember and celebrate the deliverance that the Jews had experienced. Purim is derived from the Persian word pur, meaning 'lot'. It recalls how Haman, the enemy of the Jews, cast lots to determine the best day to carry out his plan to exterminate them.

It would appear not much has changed in 2,500 years. A 'spirit of Haman' still influences the leaders of Iran in the present day. I quote now from The New York Times (October 27, 2005). "Iran's conservative new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said Wednesday that Israel must be 'wiped off the map'...Referring to comments by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the leader of the Islamic revolution, Ahmadinejad said, 'As the imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map". Don't think it is just Iran's President who believes this. He is only a puppet of the Ayatollahs who actually run the government. Amazingly, Psalm 83:2, 4, is prophetic for our day. It says, "For behold, your enemies make an uproar; those who hate you (God) have raised their heads. They say, 'Come, LET US WIPE THEM OUT AS A NATION; let the name of Israel be remembered no more". Iran's leaders, in their hatred of Israel, have become a self-fulfilling prophecy by quoting Psalm 83:4. One day soon, though, Iran will experience a 7-fold judgment from God. Its end has been decreed.
Unknown to many, Iran is an important player in the Bible's prophecies of the end of days. It was 2,600 years ago, prior to Persia even becoming a world empire, that the prophet Ezekiel was given a vision of the future that most every Biblical scholar agrees is speaking of the time period in which we are currently living. Specifically, in Ezekiel 38, there is a list of nations that will come together at the end of days for the express purpose of destroying the nation of Israel. Among those nations is Turkey, who is identified by multiple ancient place names/locations that existed within that country's current borders (i.e., Meshech, Tubal, Gomer, Togarmah). Also, Libya is identified. Some Bible translations use the word Put, which is simply the Hebrew place name for the area currently occupied by present-day Libya. Finally, Iran has been singled out by its ancient name Persia (Ezekiel 38:5). As previously stated, Iran was called Persia until 1935.

This coalition of nations, and the Bible implies many more nations with them, will make an all-out assault on Israel at the end of days with the intention of destroying her. God told Ezekiel that this event would occur in the "latter years" (Ezekiel 38:8). At the last moment it will look like Israel will be wiped out, but God will intervene and Iran and the other nations will suffer a 7-fold judgement from God - a great earthquake, pestilence, bloodshed, flooding rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone (Ezekiel 38:19-22). To be sure, God will not need Israeli airplanes and troops to get this accomplished. In fact, the context of the Scripture implies that this event occurs when Israel is isolated by the nations, as is happening now, and is vulnerable to attack precisely because they are unable to rely on friends and allies. This is also occurring with each passing day.

When God makes Iran and the other nations an example of His divine judgement, He also reveals His divine purpose. Seven times, God's perfect number, He makes similar statements as the one found in Ezekiel 39:7, "my holy name I will make known in the midst of my people Israel...and the nations shall know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel." There you have the reason for God's intervention. God's coming judgement on Iran and the other nations with them will be to reveal Himself, to magnify Himself, to reveal His holiness, to glorify Himself, and to make Himself known in the eyes of many nations - all these phrases found in the Book of Ezekiel. God intervenes on behalf of Israel in order to reveal to the nations that He is God alone, that the prophecies of old that spoke of Him are true, and that Jesus Christ is the true Messiah who came to bring salvation to all of mankind.

Additionally, revival will come to Israel. At the end of Ezekiel 39 it says that God will pour out His Spirit upon the house of Israel. God says, "then they shall know that I am the Lord their God, who sent them into captivity among the nations, but also brought them back to their land (prophecy fulfilled May 1948), and left none of them captive any longer. And I will not hide My face from them anymore; for I shall have poured out My Spirit on the house of Israel, says the Lord God" (Ezekiel 39:28-29). According to the Apostle Peter in the New Testament, only Jesus Christ has been given this authority to pour out the Holy Spirit. In Acts 2:33, Peter said, in referring to Jesus upon His resurrection, "...being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He (i.e., Jesus Christ) poured out this which you now see and hear". On that day very soon, Jesus will gloriously reveal Himself to Israel and an unbelieving world as the one true Savior, Lord, Messiah, and God!

As it regards the nation of Iran and the other participating nations, they may want to consider the Bible's graphic description of the aftermath of this judgement captured in Ezekiel 39. It says, "For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse the land" (v. 12). Then the Lord, speaking through the Prophet Ezekiel says, "Speak to the birds of every sort and to all the beasts of the field, 'Assemble and come, gather from all around to the sacrificial feast that I am preparing for you, a great sacrificial feast on the mountains of Israel, and you shall eat flesh and drink blood. You shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth..." (Ezekiel 39:17-18). God says that one day He is going to make a feast out of these fallen armies for all kinds of scavengers. Iran's destiny and end has been decreed. The Persian people need Jesus Christ. They need their eyes to be opened, the same way that King Ahasuerus' eyes were opened because of a young Jewish girl named Esther.

Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.


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Re: Iran's Judgment, Israel's Revival

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[Today we know it by its current name Iran. The nation was actually called Persia, its Biblical name, until 1935. Persia was one of the former great empires of the world, ruling from 539 B.C. to 331 B.C, until they were conquered by Alexander the Great.

Sorry to point out the ERROR that if King Cyrus was year 539BC and Daniel was given this 70weeks of years which is 490years for Messiah to be cutoff...this makes 539BC-490= 49BC for year Jesus died which is Definitely WRONG, right?

Pls see EARlier post...

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The quoted dates for Babylon 606BC and Persian 536BC are Wrongly Calculated and should be around 470BC instead due to this error of Persian Empire being added with extra reign of same kings...see explanation.

see http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730283

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Hi Mike,

It is ok to point out errors..

Unfortunately the ONLY one without error is JESUS so we all make mistakes.

The goal is to have the HOLY SPIRIT direct us to all TRUTH.

So what is the "SPIRIT" telling you about the articles on this site and the how you may inject your data?

We are here to encourage, exhort, and edify and if that includes pointing out errors so be it.

Just try not to squench the SPIRIT.

I have read many articles and heard many sermons from pastors with 30 plus years of studying and ministry they make errors all the time. ( I don't point them out) since God is still using them to share valuable information.

This is a forum to discuss we try NOT to limit the discussion about PRE WRATH, PRE TRIBULATION etc....

Just yesterday Gary Stearnman was very good in his videos but he never did address the differences between,

A. Beginning of Sorrows

B. The Great Tribulation

C. The WRATH of God

even so I was able to glean from his studies but even Gary Stearnman who is a PRE TRIBULATION teacher has made errors.

Chuck Missler who I greatly admire and appreciate has made many ERRORS about Y2k and also about other scriptures in the bible but I do not throw him out just because he made some errors.

I study, pray for discernment , revelation, illumination, and I pray that I would not be deceived asking that the HOLY SPIRIT lead me to all truth.

Study the bible, to show yourself approved rightly dividing the WORD.

I try to take a point of view if someone makes an error of GRACE and try to glean what is TRUE from the teachings I have been exposed to.

The bible is soo DEEP that everyday we learn new things even if we have been studying for 100 years I'm sure we would still lack until we are changed to our glorified bodies then we will have eternity to learn from the MASTER and KING!

God Bless



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Defining God's Wrath

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Defining God's Wrath

As end-times prophecy is rapidly being fulfilled, many Christians are clinging to “the blessed hope,” the rapture of the Church. For God has promised, “we are not destined for wrath, but to salvation through our Lord, Jesus Christ.” (1 Thess. 5:9). For this reason, many are teaching that the rapture of the Church will occur before any of God's end-times judgments (described in Revelation as the seven seals, the seven trumpets, and the seven bowls) occur.

In this discussion, there is one important factor that most people overlook. There is difference between judgment and wrath. According to Webster's Ninth Collegiate Dictionary, judgment in this context is defined as “a divine sentence or decision; a calamity held to be sent by God.” Wrath, on the other hand, is defined as “strong, vengeful anger or indignation; retributory punishment for an offense or a crime.” Big difference.

A Biblical Definition

In determining the timing of the rapture, it is important, then, to determine the start of God's wrath. Could the seals, the trumpets, or the bowls also be God's wrath? Certainly. The question is: Are they?

There are 13 uses of the word “wrath” in Revelation, each using the Greek words orge or thumos. From the beginning of Revelation until the opening of the sixth seal, the word “wrath” is absent. It is not used in the first seal, the rise of the Antichrist; the second seal, the Antichrist's waging of world war; the third seal, the worldwide famine; the fourth seal, widespread death on the earth; or even the fifth seal, the cry of the martyrs.

The first time the word “wrath” is used is in Rev. 6:17, after the opening of the sixth seal: “And the [mighty men of the earth] hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains and said to the mountains and rocks, 'Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come'” (Rev. 6:14–17).

In the Greek, the language in which the book of Revelation was written, this phrase “has come” can have two meanings. It can mean an event that has already transpired (and therefore is an event that the speaker is presently experiencing), or it can refer to an event that is imminent but has not yet arrived.

If, in this case, it means that God's wrath has arrived, this lends support to the contention that the seal judgments, which are the first judgments poured out by God, are His wrath. Therefore, the rapture must occur before the seal judgments begin. If, on the other hand, the phrase “God's wrath has come” means that His wrath is imminent but not yet arrived, the rapture does not have to occur until after the seal judgments are complete.

The Day of the Lord

Is there some way to determine which definition is correct? God's Word does not leave room for doubt.

All conservative Bible scholars agree that God's wrath is poured out during a time called “the Day of the Lord.” Isaiah put it this way: “Wail, for the Day of the Lord is at hand! It will come as destruction from the Almighty. Therefore all hands will be limp, every man's heart will melt, and they will be afraid. Pangs and sorrows will take hold of them; they will be in pain as a woman in childbirth; they will be amazed at one another; their faces will be like flames. Behold, the Day of the Lord comes, cruel, with both wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate; and He will destroy its sinners from it.”

Because we know that God's wrath is contained within the Day of the Lord, if we can determine when the Day of the Lord begins, we can identify the earliest starting point for God's wrath, as well. Joel fills in this final, important detail: “The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible Day of the Lord” (Joel 2:31).

When does the sun turn dark and the moon into blood? The Bible couldn't make it more clear. This occurs as part of the sixth seal: “I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind” (Rev. 6:12-13).

The Day of the Lord — and therefore God's wrath — begins with the opening of the sixth seal.

The implications for believers are profound. Many are teaching that the rapture must be pretribulational because God's wrath starts with the opening of the seal judgments. If this is not the case, then the rapture does not have to occur until after the seals have begun (which is, in fact, what the Bible teaches). This means that the Church will enter the time of the greatest natural and spiritual disasters in history. Believers will have to face the Antichrist. They will have to make a decision between possible martyrdom and the taking of the mark. Therefore, their level of spiritual preparation must be profound, as well.

Are you ready? It's one thing to say that you are ready. But what happens when you start losing the security of your food, your clothing, and your shelter? What happens when the earthquakes are tearing your neighborhood asunder and just practicing your faith can, and will, get you killed? Spiritual preparation suddenly takes on new meaning.

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Why Do People Believe Pretrib?

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Why Do People Believe Pretrib?

I recently was asked a question by someone on the verge of fully embracing the prewrath rapture position. She just had one reservation. She writes:

The biggest doubt I have about the prewrath position is that its not widely accepted by true believers. When I simply read what Jesus and Paul and John say the message is obvious. Basically, in the world we will have tribulation (and as James says, "to count it all joy") and in the last days we can also expect tribulation.

What baffles me is when Christians, like my beloved pastor, whole-heartedly believe in a pre-trib rapture and all the baggage that goes with it. My pastor clearly loves the Lord and preaches the gospel of salvation every Sunday. He is devoted to the Word, yet misses this and believes the LaHaye/Lindsey stuff. How is it that anyone who loves Jesus can be missing this truth?

Honestly, this is a great frustration to me, as well. The answer has to do with three things:

1) The history of the development of the rapture positions, whose disfunctional growth created a fertile ground for the pretribulation view (see below).

2) The fact that, while in seminary, pastors-to-be have lots to study, from church growth to learning Greek, so the rapture is one of a seemingly infinite number of things to learn about. It's easy to overlook the inconsistencies in one view in the deluge of other information. Then, once they graduate and get their own churches, they become involved in the day-to-day affairs of their churches and it slips away unless they are somehow directly confronted with it.

3) The consequences of changing their view in a Christendom dominated by pretribulationism that severely persecutes anyone who defects (also see below). We had one formerly pretrib pastor turned prewrather in our Internet prewrath discussion group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prewrathonly) for awhile who agonized over whether or not to sign a doctrinal statement at his church that included a pretrib stand on the rapture. Apparently, they had to renew their signatures every year or so and, in the interim, he'd changed his view. Signing it would have required that he lie and not signing would have meant losing his pastorate in the church. Don't know what ultimately happened there, but there have been many, including Marvin Rosenthal who coined the phrase "prewrath" with his PreWrath Rapture of thChurch, who were forced to leave prominent positions when they changed their view. These pastors, ministry leaders, and professors are concerned about their professional lives — they can (and do) lose them.

Here is a condensed version of my chapter "Where Does Pretrib Come From?" from Before God’s Wrath: The Bible's Answer to the Timing of the Rapture that should help in answering point #1:

Where Does Pretrib Come From?

Where do people get the idea that there will be a pretribulation rapture? Despite the widespread misconception that the pretribulation view was held by the early church, pretribulationism is a modern interpretation. Although there has been much speculation about the influence of the visions of a young Scottish girl named Margaret Macdonald, the development of the pretribulation rapture is generally attributed to John Darby of the Plymouth Brethren, who formalized the theory around 1830.

Prior to this time, the return of Christ was seen as a singular event. Jesus would return to earth once, to rapture His Church, to redeem lost Israel, and to judge the wicked and rebellious world, and this was seen either as a midtribulational or posttribulational event. Darby was the first to formally theorize that Jesus would return in two stages: first in spiritual form to rapture the Church, then in bodily form seven years later to judge the world. This allowed Jesus to return triumphantly at Armageddon while keeping the Church out of the 70th Week.

Classic Bible scholars, including John Wesley, Charles Spurgeon, Matthew Henry, John Knox, John Hus, John Calvin, Isaac Newton, John Wycliffe, and John Bunyan, among others, did not hold to a pretribulation rapture view.

A Little History

How did Darby's unusual interpretation of the scriptures win such widespread acceptance? In order to understand this, it is necessary to look at some of the issues surrounding the biblical scholarship of the time.

The Book of Revelation was not written until about 90 A.D. Thus, in the early church, any budding end-times theology would have arisen from the gospels and epistles. It is only John's detailed description of the seal, trumpet, and bowl judgments—written more than three decades later—that allows readers to place Jesus' coming in the timeline of 70th Week events. When one considers only the gospels and epistles, a posttribulational rapture is the most reasonable interpretation, and indeed, the writings of the earliest church fathers indicate that the infant church was posttribulational. By the time Revelation began to circulate, clarifying the fine points of prophetic timing, the first century church was in the midst of dire persecution, and as John Walvoord has pointed out, such studies took a back seat to the very real tribulations of the day.

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