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Jim Goodrick (19 May 2011)
"Mark Rouleau and 2 Thessalonians 2 : 3"

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Mark,
Thank you for your message. It seems to me to be a clear indication of the "falling away " ( apostasy ) that Paul warns about in
2 Thessalonians 2 :3.
Your quote from 2 Corinthians 6:14 answers it all : " Come out ... and I will receive you ".
When there is infirmity in the body, the surgeon separates the harmful tissue from the healthy tissue. It cuts, it hurts, but it also heals.

Surely the coming of the Lord must be nigh, even at the doors. " You know that summer is nigh ".
Matthew 24:32 ---- Mark 13:28 --- and Luke 21:30.
Thank you for sharing that with us. It wakes us up even more to the nearness of His coming.
It's a sad day when you can't just go to Church and inhale the Foundational Biblical truths of the Bible, the "sound doctrine" that Timothy
commands. 2 Timothy 4:3.
Come quickly, Lord Jesus !
In Him,
Jim Goodrick


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Mark Rouleau (18 May 2011)
"What will the faithful do? - Presbyterians vote to clear way for 'gay' clergy"

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2 Corinthians 6:14
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness?
and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial?
or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?
"for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said , I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate , saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. "

The PCUSA has voted to allow Churches and Presbyteries to have openly practicing gay or what the Bible refers to as an "abomination" (Leviticus 18:22 KJV Leviticus 20:13 KJV) ordained as ministers of the Word and Sacraments, preaching from the pulpit. See also 1 Corinthians 6:9 NRS 1 Timothy 1:10 NRS

The local Presbytery here in Northern Illinois voted in favor of that proposition. Blackhawk (northern Illinois) in favor 59% opposed 44% (see http://www.dailymarion.com/2011/03/01/presbyterian-ban-on-gay-ordination-seems-certain-to-end/)

See also the Presbyterian Layman Vote on Amendment 10A: 80 in favor; 59 against

Several congregations in the Presbytery of Blackhawk have been separating from the PCUSA over the past several years due in large part to this developing chasm. (see, http://www.christianpost.com/news/ill-church-dismissed-from-pcusa-45166/)

I sat on the committee for the Presbytery when the Kishwaukee Presbyterian Church left the PCUSA to join the Evangelical Presbyterian Church and this was a primary concern of that congregations.

We need a King like Josiah see 2 Kings 23

It now seems that there are several options open:

1) Stay in the groves, the high places, the defiled temple and worship gods other than the one true God who was known by our fathers:
2) Press our congregations to unyolk ourselves from those who believe that it is proper to allow what the Bible refers to unrepentantly committing abomination to be ministers of the Word and Sacraments and to preach from the pulpit.
3) Press our Presbytery to release congregations who feel they can no longer remain yoked under such circumstances.
4) If possible get the Presbytery to realign itself with a denomination that does not countenance being men pleasers .
5) Pack our bags come out from among them, and be separate, touching not the unclean thing and be received by God as his sons and daughters.

I am an ordained elder in the denomination and was a member of the General Assembly of the PC(USA) several years back. I served on our Presbyteries Committee on Ministry for quite a few years. As stated above I have been involved in several special capacities as well (complainant against a Pastor who held a gay wedding ceremony with a Idol of Buddha on the alter). Now that Satan has been allowed to have his way with this denomination (at least for the time being) I feel that drastic, but peaceful, measures are now necessary. The next thing is that there will be horific fights over transfers of ordained pastors from one presbytery (where Gay ordination is encouraged) to another (where they hold to a Biblically faithful view). Satan will not quit until much harm is done. The fact that the PC(USA) encourages battles over the church property (KJV calls it mammon) should make it clear to all that it wants a fight and it wants the fight on worldly grounds, that being property and money. This is going to cause great harm. There is no truce.
The only possible peace at this time would be to allow those who do not agree to peacefully separate.

I predict (not a prophet here) that many people will leave. Many struggling congregations will fold. Many congregational facilities will go into foreclosure proceedings. The PC(USA) will be located primarily in the Coasts and larger metropolitan areas and will fall apart in rural, heartland and Bible belt areas.

I for one have wrestled with this issue for far too long with laity and clergy (ordained and Seminary graduates) who have not taken the time to read the entire Bible even once. When they do they read from the modern versions some of which were "translated" by open avowed homosexuals (see for example, http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/niv_sodomite_on_committee.htm and Secretive Paedophile And Homosexual Networks In The Church). I have grown tired. Any one who has any positive Biblical suggestions other than those listed above I am very willing to listen.

The congregation I currently belong to is meeting this Thursday and then again later to discuss issues of which this one was not expressly identified again in the Great PC(USA) tradition of ignoring the elephant with horns in the middle of the room. I would like to know how the congregation is going to deal with this issue.

Agape <><
Mark Rouleau

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Church/Default.aspx?id=1345032
Presbyterians vote to clear way for 'gay' clergy




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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
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