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Pineman (9 Apr 2011) ""Comet" Elenin: The Common Denominator"

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Pineman (9 Apr 2011)
""Comet" Elenin: The Common Denominator"


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Reference: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread678892/pg1


Dear John & Doves:

Cosmicgirl30 on March 23, 2011, from the above blog writes: "There seems to be a pattern forming and i want to quickly explain this.. every time Elenin lines up with Earth and another planet or the sun we have an earthquake..the nearer Elenin gets, the bigger the earthquakes!!!!

The first earthquake we will begin with is

2/20/08 Indonisia measuring 7.4. Elenin was 11.617 au from the sun. On this day Elenin lined up with Earth and the Sun.

2/25/08 7.2 earthquake in Indonisa (as leaving alignment) Elenin - Earth - Sun

5/12/08 7.9 earthquake in China.. alignment is Elenin -mars- sun (Elenin was 12.147au from earth)

02/18/09 7.0 earthquake in the Kermadec Islands. Alignment is Elenin- Earth - Sun

05/18/09 4.7 earthquake in Los Angeles Alignment Elenin- Earth -Jupiter

05/28/09 7.2 earthquake in Hondorus (offshore)

07/15/09 7.8 earthquake in New zealand alignment Elenin- Murcury- Earth

08/09/09 7.1 earthquake in Japan alignments of Elenin - Murcury - Earth

09/29/09 8.1 earthquake in Sunola islands alignments Elenin- Sun - Earth

02/27/10 8.8 earthquake in Chile alignments Elenin - Earth- Sun (earth knocked off axis)

06/03/10 Pennsilvania Fissure opened up. alignments Elenin - Mars - Earth

02/27/10 7.1 earthquake in New zealand alignments Elenin- Sun - Murcury - Earth

01/19/11 Pakistan earthquake not recorded on usgs alignments Elenin- Earth - Jupiter

01/03/11 7.0 Chile earthquake alignments Elenin - Earth - Jupiter


ok now for future alignments..." go to: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread678892/pg1

Pineman

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Re: Pineman (9 Apr 2011) ""Comet" Elenin: The Common Denominator"

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http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread678892/pg1




April 8-12th 2011 alignment Elenin - Earth - Venus only ( Elenin is only 1.8 au from earth at this point)

06 September 2011 Elenin - Murcury - Mars - Earth align

25 September 2011 Murcury - Sun - Elenin align

11 October 2011 (Elenin is 0.246au from us) Thats a quater of the distance to the sun.
aligning Sun - Elenin - Jupiter - Earth this is a six day alignment!!!

17th October Elenin is closest to Earth (0.232au) Less than one quater of us to sun.

20th October Elenin enters our orbit and we will experiance a gravitational pull.

02 November We enter Elenins tail/ previous path.

11 November Venus - Earth- Elenin - murcury align

04 December Sun - murcury - Earth- Elenin align as Elenin moves away

25 December Mars- Elenin - jupiter align

The last alignment is the most scarest.... And i want everyone to go check all these dates and you will see they are correct
Last alignment with Elenin in December 21st 2012 Elenin- Earth- Sun

Could haarp be trying to counteract the effects of these alignments that cause earthquakes, could chemtrails be to help block radiation from comet Elenin?????
This information was not my discovery i'm merely passing on the information i have obtained as i think it's crucial..i've checked all these dates myself on the nasa website elenin tracker and they are all correct..

I'm fairly new to ATS and just wanted to let you all know so you can prepare yourselfs for whats to come.
thanks for reading.

Re: Pineman (9 Apr 2011) ""Comet" Elenin: The Common Denominator"

Did you notice something worth to see in your list?

It applies directly to simple Newton Law:

All big earthquakes always include alignment of Elenin and the Sun, both of them are stars, one is the real star the other is the brown darf one!! If this is true, this is truly an eye opener of elenin not as what the big media said!! First it has a 10000 years orbit, strange huh for 4 kms diameter comet, something fishy in it! Let's look at this as how this little object could be there constantly then it must be Not as little as people predict and secondly it has mass much larger than what people expect!!!

Re: Pineman (9 Apr 2011) ""Comet" Elenin: The Common Denominator"

Just to point out that the orbit of ELEnin is Vertical 'north-south' direction and our solar system is orbiting in Horizontal 'east-west' direction.

The line ELEnin-Earth-Sun is 'straight' when viewing in the Vertical Axis. Earth is still not within the straight line of ELEnin from Sun when viewing in the Horizontal Axis.

It could be noted that the Earth is affected even when it is far away.

The ELEnin is approaching at an acceleration that NO Man knows due to gravitational attraction with the Sun.

I believe the future dates would be 'invalid' because the ELEnin would slows down greatly after 'IMPACT' with our Solar System...shaking Heaven&Earth(HE).

And also Earth's rotational speed is increased (shortened day) and not possible to calculate the future before our Rapture.

It could be possible after Rapture or Impact that the scientist could re-calculate the Earth's speed...and ELEnin's new orbit...then could the dates that ELEnin closing with Earth be determined again.


IT is interesting that they called it 'COMET'...

Come t

Even So, Come Lord Jesus

Re: Pineman (9 Apr 2011) ""Comet" Elenin: The Common Denominator"

Re: Pineman (9 Apr 2011) ""Comet" Elenin: The Common Denominator"

My prediction to see if Elenin has mass big enough will be around April 20, since I don't know the acceleration of this elenin, it could possibly cause something on earth between or around 20 - 23 April 2011 as the earth will be crossing in front of elenin's trajectory. There should be a "turbulance" around the earth causing by incoming Elenin as the earth is literally crossing its trajectory.

Let's just wait and see about this ....

Re: Pineman (9 Apr 2011) ""Comet" Elenin: The Common Denominator"

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Re: Pineman (9 Apr 2011) ""Comet" Elenin: The Common Denominator"

Luke 21:25 The Coming of the Son of Man

(Matt 24:29-31; Mark 13:24-27)

"And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."

29 The Parable of the Fig Tree

(Matt 24:32-35; Mark 13:28-31)

Then He spoke to them a parable: "Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. 30 When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place. 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

34 The Importance of Watching

(Matt 24:36-44; Mark 13:32-37)

"But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. 35 For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man."

37 And in the daytime He was teaching in the temple, but at night He went out and stayed on the mountain called Olivet. 38 Then early in the morning all the people came to Him in the temple to hear Him.
NKJV

Re: Pineman (9 Apr 2011) ""Comet" Elenin: The Common Denominator"

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Luis Vega (18 Apr 2011)
"Solar Eclipses"


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Tribulation Solar Eclipse Patterns?

So I was interested in seeing what the projected Solar Eclipses would look like this decade. I decided to plot the anticipated events on a time-line based on the NASA official website. This below is what it looks like! For sure some interesting patterns; especially given the Lunar Titrad in 2014-2015. I speculated the possible 7-year Tribulation starting in the Fall 2011 as a plausible benchmark. We shall see!

Blessings and enjoy!
Luis Vega

Click here PDF here for a clearer document.

NASA Website: http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEdecade/SEdecade2011.html




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Re: Pineman (9 Apr 2011) ""Comet" Elenin: The Common Denominator"

Re: Pineman (9 Apr 2011) ""Comet" Elenin: The Common Denominator"

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Jim Bramlett (2 May 2011)
""Whatever You Want To Call It, It's Coming""


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Dear friends:

There is an object up there in the heavens that is getting closer and closer, and getting more and more attention. It seems to be coming our way. It is variously called Elenin, Nibiru, and/or Planet X. Sometimes the terms are used synonymously.

The object is in an elliptical orbit around the sun, passing by here about every 3600+ years. When passing near us, it is believed to cause great disruptions in the earth.

There is a 10-minute YouTube video that is an interesting analysis based on a NASA computer model of the object relative to the sun, our planet, and others. The video is titled "Planet Elenin - Nibiru - Whatever You Want To Call It, It's Coming," and is at www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfOfBrNUOGA&feature=related

The author uses a computer program to place the object in different alignments with the earth and sun on certain dates. Below is what he found:

PAST:

September 4, 2010. Elenin in alignment with sun and earth. 7.2 quake in Christchurch, New Zealand.

February 27, 2010. Elenin in alignment with sun and earth. 8.8 earthquake in Chile.


In the above alignments, Elenin was OUTSIDE the solar system


FUTURE:


This year, in the below alignments, Elenin will be INSIDE the solar system,
much closer to us, the effects probably much greater.


(From another source: "March 4th, 2011 marks the day that the brown dwarf breaks through the ecliptic plane into the northern hemisphere to begin influencing the Earth. March 15, 2011 is the first of three conjunctions where the earth is caught in the gravitational gradient lines--or the trough-that binds the sun and brown dwarf together." NOTE: The massive Japanese earthquake occurred on March 11, 2011.)

September 27, 2011. Elenin now actually inside the earth's orbit, and in alignment with sun and earth. This is just one day before Rosh Hashanah!

October 17, 2011. Elenin and earth the closest, with earth crossing nearby. Potential major effects on the earth, possibly of biblical proportions. This will be in the midst of Sukkot (Tabernacles).

November 5, 2011. Earth passes through Elenin debris field, posing serious potential problems.

November 23, 2011. As Elenin moves on, it will be in a similar position it was when the Chile quake hit, except it will be about six times closer!

Friends, we are at the end of the age, and Jesus is coming soon. Keep looking up. We are seeing Bible prophecy coming to pass.

Jim

P.S.

Clarification. I mentioned "Elenin, Nibiru, and/or Planet X." Sometimes the name "Tyche" is used instead. If you google these names you get all kinds of opinions, such as when they were discovered. Elenin was supposedly discovered by a Russian named Leonid Elenin in December 2010. Nibiru is sometimes credited to the ancient Sumerians some 5,000 years ago. Planet X goes back to the 1980s. It is all very confusing. But as I said, sometimes the names are used synonymously. Are they all the same? I do not have a definitive answer. Just know that there is something out there, and it is coming this way!

Don't forget to duck! (And pray.)

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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

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Re: Pineman (9 Apr 2011) ""Comet" Elenin: The Common Denominator"

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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2011/abe52.htm

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Abe (2 May 2011)
"The Path of Comet Elenin - The groom is coming to steal his bride!"


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Hello Doves,

To understand this complex diagram, you'll need to fully understand a few scriptural types/patterns. Our God is one of patterns and types. What I've found is the merging of several patterns that could indicate the coming of Yeshua for His bride!

There are too many connections here to fit in a single image. Study the different puzzle pieces and then how they all neatly merge in the attached image... It'll take some brain effort, but do not give up. It is worth the time/study! I think it will give you goose bumps when it all comes together in your mind... ;)


1) Ancient Jewish Wedding Traditions

The best description I've found is here:

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2011/abe52.htm

Though Perry Stone had a renactment video of Jewish weddings, I recommend that, too.

In short, the groom will leave his father's house, 'steal/rapture' his bride, return to his father's house, then to the new room/home for them.

Comet Elenin appears in Leo (house of the king), then goes to Virgo (home of the bride), then back to Leo, then to Cancer (Home of the redeemed). Sound like the Groom?

Note how comets are like heavenly torches and the groom's procession was often at night, requiring torches.



2A) The 7 Feasts of the Lord (Moedim)

We've seen the Spring Feasts fulfilled. Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruits and Pentecost. Now the Fall Feasts must be fulfilled...

Pastor Mark Biltz details this here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llOi5nKIb9Q

The rapture is strongly connected to the Feast of Trumpets.

2B) Feast of Trumpets

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars...

This *almost* happens every Feast of Trumpets. The sun is in Virgo, the moon below her feet. The problem is that she has no crown. However on 2011-09-29, the Feast of Trumpets, she will have a crown: Elenin. I don't know how it will have 12 stars, but comets are known to fragment/explode. (Holmes, Shoemaker Levy) Keep an eye out for Elenin developments.

2C) Note the positon of Comet Elenin at Yom Kippur and Tabernacles. Note the correlation between a rapture event, the post rapture days, the days of awe, etc. Note especially the meaning of Tabernacles and how the comet will be in Cancer, "House of the Redeemed". (See #4 below for details on that.)



3) Clouds of Heaven

Clouds darken the skies, cover the sun and the stars... but not the moon.

Eze 32:7 And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.

Mar 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

The attached diagram shows how comet McNaught makes a 'sackcloth' cloud like pattern in the sky. I don't know what color the moon will be, but it is a new moon , so it will 'not give her light'...

El means God. Anan means cloud. A slight mispronunciation of Elenin to "El Anan" could mean "Cloud of God"...? Not sure, as I don't know Hebrew.



4A) The heavens declare the glory of God! - Psalm 19

1 The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
2 Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they reveal knowledge.
3 They have no speech, they use no words;
no sound is heard from them.
4 Yet their voice goes out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.
In the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun.
5 It is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
like a champion rejoicing to run his course.
6 It rises at one end of the heavens
and makes its circuit to the other;
nothing is deprived of its warmth.

This is the most difficult to discuss with Christians, as the pagan/new age Zodiac has corrupted our understanding of the stars. However, if we look at ancient star names in Hebrew and Aramic, we learn that the do indeed declare the Glory of God! E. W. Bullinger solidly documented this in "Witness of the Stars". Read about God's plan for salvation here: http://philologos.org/__eb-tws/default.htm It is a worthy study.

Cancer is "House of the Redeemed.", it represents the many rooms/mansions Yeshua spoke of. i.e. "I go to prepare a place for you..." Note that Cancer has a group of stars known to astronomers as "The Beehive". A beehive has many rooms.

Note the Alpha Omega connection. Virgo is the beginning of the Hebrew signs, Leo is the end. So, we have the first and last connected by the path of this comet.


4B) Venus and the Root of David

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Note Venus in the 'womb' of Virgo, the bright and morning star.

Note that Venus will shortly pass Spica, which is known as the "Root of David". Yet another pattern match.



5) A Real Royal Wedding

The royal wedding in England took place 153 days before 2011-09-29. (John 21:11)


The Diagram Link:
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8333/eleninrapture.jpg



Credit goes to all those who have come before me, researching and documenting the various patterns and traditions. All I've done is put the pieces together around this new coming event... Email me if you have questions or if you found evidence to confirm or deny this pattern. Astronomy program is Stellarium, it's a free download, and you can add Elenin to it to verify yourselves... This did not come from a vision or a dream, but by hours of studying bible patterns.


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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

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Re: Pineman (9 Apr 2011) ""Comet" Elenin: The Common Denominator"

For Fair Use Discussion and Educational Purposes

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2011/abe55.htm
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Abe (5 May 2011)
"The Path of Comet Elenin - Part 3 - Comet 45P Honda"


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Hello again Doves!

In my previous posts, I described how the path of Comet Elenin followed the path of the bridegroom coming for his bride and how the Feast of Trumpets matches Revelation 12.

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2011/abe52.htmlink

In the 2nd post I detailed how Comet 45P Honda represents the dragon of Revelation 12. http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2011/abe53.htmlink


Here are some more amazing details about Comet 45P Honda:

Comet 45P Honda was discovered in 1948 by Minoru Honda. (The year Israel was born.) This will be its 12th path around the sun since it was discovered.


Minoru (verb) means "ripe,harvest,bear fruit". It also has the connotation of completion, accomplishment and fulfillment.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.


Honda (name) means "field of origin".

John 4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.


Honda rises out of the south, below the equator, from the constellation Hydra. Hydra is comprised of 17 stars (7 heads + 10 horns?). The Sumarian legend tells of Ninurta fighting a 7 headed serpent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydra_%28constellation%29



Remember, Yeshua will return with the "Clouds of Heaven."

Acts 1:09 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.


Acts 1:10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;


Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.


Job 22:14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.

Psa 78:23 Though he had commanded the clouds from above, and opened the doors of heaven,

Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mar 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.



What might this all look like?


This image is pure speculation. It does not come from any dreams or vision. And I've taken liberty to split comet Elenin into a ring of 12 fragments and Honda into 7 'heads' with 10 'tails'. This is possible. We saw 17P Holmes explode and comet Shoemaker Levey crash into Jupiter a few years ago. Some comets have been known to have 2 tails.

The view is looking East from Jerusalem on the morning of 2011-09-29. THIS is what I expect to see. (henh, the comet could look like a wedding dress for Virgo, with Elenin as a veil...)

YBIC,


-Abe


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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

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Steven

Re: Pineman (9 Apr 2011) ""Comet" Elenin: The Common Denominator"

For Fair Use Discussion and Educational Purposes
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2011/tracyn53.htm
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Tracy Nordin (3 May 2011)
"Grace Ending - Wrath Beginning"

To my Family and Friends – Message From Tracy Nordin – April 4, 2011

Grace Ending – Wrath Beginning


It is now time that I present this information. There is a lot to cover, so I will try to condense the information the best I can. Back in 1983, Memorial Day to be exact, I raised the white flag and asked Jesus to take control of my life. Well, he showed up big time in the form of his Spirit. I went through the most amazing week of my life. My wife, Susan, knows about this, but I did not tell her everything because quite frankly I had no words to describe what I experienced. Among many other “things”, I was told the date 2013. I did not know what that meant, but I never forgot it. For the past 28 years I have studied the Bible, Bible prophesy, every version of “end time events”, and any other subject closely or remotely associated.

I am in what I call a mid-life retirement, so I have plenty of time on my hands. In the Bible, Old Testament, some folks had the job of Watcher. Their job was to get up on the wall and watch for enemies while the other folks went about their normal activities. His was a serious job not to be taken lightly. About a year ago I was doing some research on alternate energy and was trying to come up with some experiments to perform. Jeremiah 33:3 came to mind, so I started praying this every day/night. It says “Call on me, and I will answer you and show you great and mighty things that thou knowest not”. That sounded good, so I went for it. I thought I had some good leads, but it was getting frustrating. About 5 weeks ago, I was led in a completely new direction. The last time I experienced such feelings/emotion was Memorial Day 1983. I knew something big was up and God wanted my full attention. Jeremiah 33:3, Luke 12:39, and 1 Thessalonians 5:4-5 kept repeating in my mind (I have a bunch of verses memorized).

Jeremiah 33:3 (listed above)


Luke 12:39 (Just read it today during our bible study – what timing)


“But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not let his house be broken into”


1 Thessalonians 5:4-5


“But you brothers are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. You are all sons of the light and sons of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness”


Well I know what this means. Time is very short. The Lord is coming for his own before the wrath starts.


So, I figured if I was receiving this info, some other Christians had to be also. I was led to many great websites and my prayers for knowledge have been and continue to be answered. What I am about to present to you has been confirmed over and over to me – and not by men. Fasten your seatbelts.


You guys remember the Hale Bop comet. There was so much media coverage and hoopla it was ridiculous. We knew way in advance of its arrival, how bright it was going to be, where in the sky to look for it. Do you remember the crazy loons that all killed themselves (poison) so they could connect with the hidden UFO trailing the comet? Most of us do – how could one not know about it with all the media coverage.


Have you heard of comet Elenin? I bet not. How come? This comet is inbound at @47,000 MPH and will cross between Earth and the other side of Venus. In fact on 09-27-2011 the Sun, Elenin, and Earth will be in alignment. On 10-17-2011 it will be at its closest point to Earth at .232 AU (1 AU is the distance from the Earth to the Sun – so .232 AU is @21 million miles) Not a peep from the mainstream media. This is being kept quiet. What a strange name – more on that later. If you go to the NASA JPL site (do a google search for NASA JPL ELENIN and look at the “nasa link to elenin orbit”) for tracking ELENIN and click on the “orbit diagram” you can see everything. This is pretty cool – there are sliders on the right/left/bottom that change the view orientation and zoom.You can also run through various dates – by hour, day, 3 days, month, etc. Forwards/Backwards. For your information ELENIN is also known as C/2010 X1.

If you choose date 02-27-2010 you will see that Elenin, Earth, and Sun are in alignment.

09-04-2010 you will see that Elenin, the Sun, and Earth are in alignment

03-11-2011 you will see that Elenin, the Earth, and Sun are in alignment



On 02-27-2010 the Chile earthquake happened – an 8.8

On 09-04-2010 the Christchurch New Zealand earthquake happened – a 7.2

On 03-11-2011 the Horrific Japan earthquake happened – a 9.0


How can a comet have any affect on the earth? A comet has no gravitational pull. Hang in there it gets much worse.


I have to talk now about PLANETX. Most folks will immediately cry foul and state that no such thing exists. Way back in the late 1800’s it was discovered that the orbits of planets Uranus and Neptune did not follow their predicted paths according to celestial mechanics like all of the other planets. It was theorized that some unknown “something” was causing a gravitational interference. Some pretty smart folks calculated an area where this object should be and started looking. This is how Pluto was found in 1930. Alright problem solved. Well not quite. We really could not accurately calculate the mass of Pluto until 1978 when it’s moon was discovered. Don’t ask me how, but when you have a moon and a planet, then the smart folks can calculate the mass. Turns out that Pluto was about 1/5 the mass of our moon – not enough gravity – keep looking.



I am not sure of the time frame, but maybe late 70’s early 80’s, one of the head astronomers at the US Naval Observatory calculated where to look for PlanetX. (BTW – X means 10th planet or unknown object) He knew it was coming from the south at a highly elliptical orbit (plain English – it’s sneaking up from the southern hemisphere – hard to see). He went down to New Zealand and spent two years searching for it via telescope. The general consensus is that he found it. I do not know the exact timing. He did submit his report in 1988:


As time went on several theories were voiced as to what Planetx could be - a planet, neutron star, black hole, or maybe a brown dwarf. A brown dwarf is a star that never achieved enough mass to “ignite”. It would be relatively cool, but still have a heat signature, and a massive gravitational field. Maybe even have orbiting moons. Kind of like a mini solar system. Now you need to know about IRAS. We launched this back in 1983.


The New York Times
Sunday, January 30, 1983
Clues Get Warm in the Search for Planet X
John Noble Wilford

Something out there beyond the farthest reaches of the known solar system seems to be tugging at Uranus and Neptune. Some gravitational force keeps perturbing the two giant planets, causing irregularities in their orbits. The force suggests a presence far away and unseen, a large object that may be the long-sought Planet X.

Evidence assembled in recent years has led several groups of astronomers to renew the search for the 10th planet. They are devoting more time to visual observations with the 200-inch telescope at Mount Palomar in California. They are tracking two Pioneer spacecraft, now approaching the orbit of distant Pluto, to see if variations in their trajectories provide clues to the source of the mysterious force. And they are hoping that a satellite-borne telescope launched last week will detect heat “signatures” from the planet, or whatever it is out there.

The Infrared Astronomical Satellite was boosted into a 560-mile-high polar orbit Tuesday night from Vandenberg Air Force Base, CA. It represents an $80-million venture by the United States, Britain and the Netherlands. In the next six or seven months, the telescope is expected to conduct a wide-ranging survey of nearly all the sky, detecting sources not of ordinary light, but of infrared radiation, which is invisible to the human eye and largely absorbed by the atmosphere. Scientists thus hope that the new telescope will chart thousands or infrared-emitting objects that have gone undetected – stars, interstellar clouds, asteroids and, with any luck, the object that pulls at Uranus and Neptune.

The last time a serious search of the skies was made, it led to the discovery in 1930 of Pluto, the ninth planet. But the story begins more than a century before that, after the discovery of Uranus in 1781 by the English astronomer and musician William Herschel. Until then, the planetary system seemed to end with Saturn.

As astronomers observed Uranus, noting irregularities in its orbital path, many speculated that they were witnessing the gravitational pull of an unknown planet. So began the first planetary search based on astronomers’ predictions, which ended in the 1840’s with the discovery of Neptune almost simultaneously by English, French and German astronomers.

But Neptune was not massive enough to account entirely for the orbital behavior of Uranus. Indeed, Neptune itself seemed to be affected by a still more remote planet. In the late 19th century, two American astronomers, William H. Pickering and Percival Lowell, predicted the size and approximate location of the trans-Neptunian body, which Lowell called Planet X.

Years later, Pluto was detected by Clyde W. Tombaugh working at Lowell Observatory in Arizona. Several astronomers, however, suspected it might not be the Planet X of prediction. Subsequent observations proved them right. Pluto was too small to change the orbits of Uranus and Neptune; the combined mass of Pluto and its recently discovered satellite, Charon, is only one-fifth that of Earth’s moon.

Recent calculations by the United States Naval Observatory have confirmed the orbital perturbation exhibited by Uranus and Neptune, which Dr. Thomas C. Van Flandern, an astronomer at the observatory, says could be explained by “a single undiscovered planet.” He and a colleague, Dr. Robert Harrington, calculate that the 10th planet should be two to five times more massive than Earth and have a highly elliptical orbit that takes it some 5 billion miles beyond that of Pluto – hardly next-door but still within the gravitational influence of the Sun.

Some astronomers have reacted cautiously to the 10th-planet predictions. They remember the long, futile quest for the planet Vulcan inside the orbit of Mercury; Vulcan, it turned out, did not exist. They wonder why such a large object as a 10th planet escaped the exhaustive survey by Mr. Tombaugh, who is sure it is not in the two-thirds of the sky he examined. But according to Dr. Ray T. Reynolds of the Ames Research Center in Mountain View, CA, other astronomers “are so sure of the 10th planet, they think there’s nothing left but to name it.”

At a scientific meeting last summer, 10th-planet partisans tended to prevail. Alternative explanations for the outer-planet perturbations were offered. The something out there, some scientists said, might be an unseen black hole or neutron star passing through the Sun’s vicinity. Defenders of the 10th planet parried the suggestions. Material falling into the gravitational field of a black hole, the remains of a very massive star after its complete gravitational collapse, should give off detectable x-rays, they noted; no X-rays have been detected. A neutron star, a less massive star that has collapsed to a highly dense state, should affect the courses of comets, they said, yet no such changes have been observed.

More credence was given to the hypothesis that a “brown dwarf” star accounts for the mysterious force. This is the informal name astronomers give to celestial bodies that were not massive enough for their thermonuclear furnaces to ignite; perhaps like the huge planet Jupiter, they just missed being self-illuminating stars.

Most stars are paired, so it is not unreasonable to suggest that the Sun has a dim companion. Moreover, a brown dwarf in the neighborhood might not reflect enough light to be seen far away, said Dr. John Anderson of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, CA. Its gravitational forces, however, should produce energy detectable by the Infrared Astronomical Satellite.

Whatever the mysterious force, be it a brown dwarf or a large planet, Dr. Anderson said he was “quite optimistic” that the infrared telescope might fine it and that the Pioneer spacecraft could supply an estimate of the object’s mass. Of course, no one can be sure that even this discovery would define the outermost boundary of the solar system.

Here is another article:



U.S. News and World Report, September 10, 1984
Planet X — Is It Really Out There?

Shrouded from the sun's light, mysteriously tugging at the orbits of Uranus and Neptune, is an unseen force that astronomers suspect may be PLanet X — a 10th resident of the Earth's celestial neighborhood.

Last year, the infrared astronomical satellite (IRAS), circling in a polar orbit 560 miles from the Earth, detected heat from an object about 50 billion miles away that is now the subject of intense speculation.



"All I can say is that we don't know what it is yet," says Gerry Neugenbaur, director of the Palomar Observatory for the California Instititute of Technology. Scientists are hopeful that the one-way journeys of the Pioneer 10 and 11 space probes may help to locate the nameless body.

Some astronomers say the heat-emitting object is an unseen collapsed star or possibly a "brown dwarf" — a protostar that never got hot enough to become a star. However, a growing number of astronomers insist that the object is a dark, gaseous mass that is slowly evolving into a planet.

For decades, astromers have noted that the orbits of two huge, distant planets — Neptune and Uranus —deviate slightly from what they should be according to the laws of physics. Gravitational pull from Planet X would explain that deviation.

Morever, says Neugebaur, "if we can show that our own solar system is still creating planets, we'll know that it's happening around other stars, too."

If you were paying attention the distance went from 5 to 50 billion miles. Wow – 5 billion miles - that is not far. Oh now it’s 50 billion – we are safe. Do you think they could be lying to us. I would like to point out that this PlanetX is known by many different names depending on what culture one is referencing. It was called Nibiru to the Sumerians, the Purifier to the Hopi’s, others called it the Destroyer. Some say it is Wormwood in the Bible – I think Wormwood is just a big asteroid associated with this object. It is supposed to have a 3600 year orbit. Some say the last time it made a pass was during the Exodus. The plagues of Egypt. This pass will make the plagues of Egypt look like a mosquito bite. There is also the December 21, 2012 date that marks the end of the Mayan calendar – you know the end of the world stuff. There was a documentary 30 some years ago hosted by Leonard Nimoy on the Mayans. Whoever provided the info stated the date was December 24, 2011. You can check out these ancient civilizations stories about this object. Without fail, it appears in the sky as two suns, then turns into an object that has wings and eyes (I would say mucho attracted meteors and orbiting moons). Then all hell breaks loose.


The next topic will be the South Pole Telescope – go look it up on google. It saw its first light on 02-16-2007. Why did we build a telescope at the south pole? Remember, Dr. Harrington stated that this object will be approaching from the south. There have been a couple of leaked photos from the SPT taken in 2008. You can view them at www.yowusa.com/planetx among other articles. BTW – these folks are certainly not Christian, more like New age thinkers – but they know what’s coming. While you are on that page be sure to check out the “ESA-NASA Ulysses Probe and PlanetX” article. Make sure you read the entire article carefully. On page 2 check out the picture titled “Ulysses-SWOOPS Solar Wind Dynamic Pressure” and let that sink in. Dr. Harrington stated that PlanetX would approach from the south at a 40 degree angle. The point of the anomaly is in the south left quadrant at anywhere between 10-45 degrees on the ecliptic plane. These anomalies show up in both the 1998 and 2008 Ulysses orbits around the sun. The orbits actually scanned the bottom (south) and top (north) part of the sun. It’s quite easy to see that some large gravitational “pull” is down south somewhere. Wonder what that could be?


Now for the good stuff. I know we are getting close, so I was hoping and praying that someone would pick this up with their telescope. Someone did. I am providing 2 links – one is a short video taken at the end of March, and the other is longer, taken at the beginning of March. I am surprised they are still out there. Let me know if the links “disappear” because I have copies of the videos. It’s interesting to look at the hits for these vids – something like 6000. Then you look at the hits for the cute little twins talking baby talk to each other – over a million. Sign of the times. Everyone is clueless.


Comments on the first video: This guy has a very large scope – a Meade 20” – something like $30K. He is in his back yard and has videos of this brown dwarf with 4 moons orbiting – he puts the video in motion. What you are seeing is impossible. How can you see moons orbiting around a star. Three of the moons are orbiting in a CCW rotation. The other, which has a tail like a comet, is orbiting in a CW rotation. This is ELENIN. Supposedly, this comet was discovered by a Russian named Leonid Elenin in December 2010 using a remote controlled telescope in New Mexico. How come no media outlet has interviewed him. Show us the comet. What a strange name: Leonid is a famous meteor shower. Elenin could be Extinction Level Event Nibiru Is Near. This would be the code word for the elites to head for their underground locations. Believe me, they know what’s coming, NASA, our Government, Leaders, Elite – they know. I know, some of you think I am nuts and don’t believe a word of this. That’s fine. You will see it shortly. They cannot hide this for much longer.

First video:


Great. We have a mini solar system heading our way at 47,000 MPH. It will pass through the asteroid belt and pick up some nasty stuff. The comet ELENIN is orbiting this star. I do not know the orbital period, but it cannot be very long – he shows it in motion. Do you fathom what is coming? This star has a tremendous gravity field. It will attract radiation from the sun like a magnet (solar flares) and probably rip our magnetic shield to shreds. The comet is picking up 1000’s of meteors in its tail. This is the beginning of the bad stuff described in Revelation. (and not exactly in any preconceived order). Notice at the end he said he is packing up and heading North. I have read some of the visions/dreams other Christians have recently had. Massive earthquakes, volcanoes erupting, Meteors falling, massive flooding in coastal states, east coast, west coast, gulf states – we are talking tsunami’s hundreds of times greater that Japan experienced.

Comments for second video – the longer one posted a month before the first: In this video he is using the orbit diagram of ELENIN from NSA JPL, and the online SKY-MAP program. I suggest that you watch it twice and absorb everything he is saying. Key statements: He has been tracking this area for the past 8 months – He has scanned the area where ELENIN is supposed to be and can find nothing (guess not, since it is doing a CW rotation around the brown dwarf) – The area is moving from Leo towards Orion. This is amazing to me. Leo (the Lion of the tribe of Judah – Jesus – Grace) to Orion (mentioned by God to Job in the Bible – it has been thought that this is the direction of God’s Throne – Wrath). As this gets closer it will start showing up as a second sun. They cannot hide it much longer. The media has put out a story about how the star Betelgeuse might go super nova any day (look it up on google). This is unbelieveable. This star is 640 light years away. That means if we see a super nova, it happened 640 years ago – do they think we are that stupid – sure they do. This event is unpredictable, but it just might happen any day. This star is the top left star of Orion. This will be the cover story when folks start seeing two suns. Actually they already have. Check out the China story of two suns in the sky. They could be seeing these moons as they orbit around the brown dwarf. Orion is very easy to see around 8:00PM (from Houston) Just look to the southwest – it’s just hanging there. Betelgeuse is the top left star – quite bright.

Second video:


There are some other things you need to check out on the net via google search. Secretary of State Hillary recalled all of our ambassadors from around the world for a special meeting on 01-30-2011. Unprecedented in the history of our country. Wonder what the meeting was about. FEMA put out a bid for pre-packaged MRE’s (meals) in Jan 2011 for the tune of 1 Billion dollars. One document states explicitly “a catastrophic earthquake on the Madrid fault line”. This is New Madrid, Missouri. This fault line runs through Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Mississippi. The big one would cut the US in half. Check out the FEMA coffins. They are termed coffin liners. Right – they are big enough for Goliath. They can hold 3 or 4 good sized folks plus a few kids sideways (how cozy - a family coffin). Then there are the spirals. The first big one was in Norway. Now they are showing up in Australia and New Zealand. Then there are the UFO’s – they are everywhere. Check out the recent Jerusalem UFO over the dome of the rock. It was filmed by 4 different folks – beware that there are some fakes – some of the best footage I have ever seen. It was also caught on a weather cam. The list goes on and on. There is much more I could talk about but this is enough information.

Some Closing Thoughts:
Once this becomes obvious – which might be measured in months – I am sure there will be quite the panic. As for me and my Family there is no panic. We know what is coming. We all know the Lord Jesus Christ Personally. He will take care of us. There is something called the Rapture. It’s a kind of rescue mission. I know some folks, even Christians, do not believe in such a preposterous idea. That’s OK – I do. If you want to stay here fine – go for it – best of luck to you. But, I would strongly suggest that you do not want to be around for what is coming. There is a lot worse following what I described above (hard to believe). I have no clue as to the timing of these events – just that they are close. Real close.

I happened to be raised by some great parents in a Christian home. My Mom and Dad – what great folks. I get to see them very soon. I grew up in the Lutheran Church. I did not have any problem with believing that Jesus died for me to forgive my sins. As I grew older, I knew something was missing. (long story that I will not go into) I found out that one can know God on a personal level. I invited Jesus to take control of my life in 1983. You have to give him permission. He will not force himself on you. Your will is the most powerful force in the universe if you think about it. God will

Re: Pineman (9 Apr 2011) ""Comet" Elenin: The Common Denominator"

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Nibiru/Planet X - New 2011 Trajectory


Massive asteroid hurtling towards Earth but dont worry, scientists say it will just miss us





click on this link to get the rest of the charts
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/610/911/Nibiru_Planet_X_-_New_2011_Trajectory.html
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Re: Pineman (9 Apr 2011) ""Comet" Elenin: The Common Denominator"

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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2011/dru57.htm
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Dru (7 May 2011)
"Massive asteroid hurtling towards Earth: November 8, 2011"


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But don't worry, scientists say it will just miss us ...

Excerpt:


"A massive asteroid will fly within the moon's orbit narrowly missing Earth later this year.

The space rock, called YU55, will hurtle past our planet at a distance of just 201,700 miles during its closest approach on November 8.


That is closer to Earth than the moon, which orbits 238,857miles away on average.
With a width of some 400metres and weighing 55million tons, YU55 will be the largest object to ever approach Earth so close."

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"Mr Yeomans added: 'During its closest approach, its gravitational effect on the Earth will be so miniscule as to be immeasurable. It will not affect the tides or anything else.'


It is, however, still officially labelled a 'potentially hazardous object' - if it was to hit Earth, it would exert a force the equivalent of 65,000 atomic bombs and leave a crater six miles wide and 2,000ft deep."


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1383778/YU55-asteroid-hurtling-Earth-scientists-say-just-miss-us.html


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As if Comet Elenin weren't enough to worry about, now this asteroid is heading our way ...


Keep looking up! ...no pun intended, lol ...Jesus is coming soon!!



ysic,

Dru
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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

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