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Hebrews 3 mentioned His Forty Years Works Twice

JESUS BETTER THAN MOSES
1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.

3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.

4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.

5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;

6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

THE BRACKET PARAGRAPH...if you hEAR HIS(JESUS) voice
7-11 Wherefore
(
as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works FORTY YEARS.
Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
)

UNBELIEF OF (JESUS)HIS WORKS(40years)
12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.

JESUS was grieved FORTY YEARS?
17 But with whom was he grieved FORTY YEARS? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?

18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

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pls see website:-

Moses code
http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730280

The year Jesus died
http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730280

The year Jesus born
http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730275

PROPHET LIKE UNTO MOSES FORTY YEARS WORKS (Two MORE Confirmations)

2 MORE CONFIRMATIONS OF JESUS WORKED 40years and FULFILLED HIMSELF LIKE UNTO MOSES

MOSES CODE is 40years and GOD DEMANDED ISRAEL to HEARKEN unto the PROPHET LIKE MOSES.

Moses said...
"The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet [JESUS CHRIST]
from the midst of thee ,
of thy brethren,
LIKE UNTO ME [MOSES];
unto HIM [JESUS] ye shall HEARken;"
Deuteronomy 18:15

"And it shall come to pass,
that whosoever will not HEARken unto MY words
which HE [JESUS] shall speak in MY name,
I will require it of him."
Deuteronomy 18:19


As confirmed by Stephen before his death in Act7:35-37


"This Moses whom they refused,
saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge?
the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him [Moses] in the bush.
He brought them out,
after that he had shewed wonders and signs in the land of Egypt,
and in the Red Sea,
and in the wilderness
FORTY YEARS.
This is that Moses,
which said unto the children of Israel,
A Prophet shall the LORD your God
raise up unto you of your brethren,
like unto me [Moses]:
Him [JESUS] shall ye HEAR."
Act7:35-37


pls see Moses Code(40) Jesus Worked 40years Revealed in Hebrews Chapter3
http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730280

WE HAVE 3 WITNESSES "MOSES, APOSTLE PAUL and DEACON STEPHEN"
who CONFIRMED JESUS AS THE PROPHET like MOSES
and all 3 of them MADE the REFERENCE to FORTY YEARS and demanded ISRAEL to HEARken HIS VOICE.

IF JESUS was only 33.5yrs old when HE FINISHED HIS WORKs...
WOULD YOU be WILLING to ARGUE that JESUS is the PROPHET LIKE MOSES who worked FORTY YEARS ?

And WOULD YOU be WILLING to EVEN DIE by being STONED by your BRETHREN?


So is it COMMON SENSE that ALL 3 WITNESSES had CONFIRMED JESUS' 40yrs WORKS and so FULFILLs THE Requirement of the PROPHET like unto MOSES?

John(Disciple) has earlier account of JESUS' ministry than Matthew/Mark&Luke

Before GOD rejected ISRAEL...ISRAEL had to SEE [JESUS] HIS WORKS [FORTY YEARS] and know FOR SURE that JESUS WAS LIKE unto MOSES the PROPHET who was having a CODE number 'FORTY'...

No one would be willing to argue or die to CONFIRM JESUS is like unto MOSES if JESUS died 33.5years old, right?

SUMMARY OF JESUS FORTY YEARS WORKS

When JESUS was about 30year old, HE was baptised by John BAPTIST. see Luke3:23.

JESUS was led IMMEDIATELY into WILDerness for FORTY DAYS...like unto MOSES in wilderness FORTY YEARS. see Mark1:12

Then devil left JESUS and JESUS 'worked 7 years' for HIS Bride ISRAEL[RACHEL].

Jesus was 37yr old when He could call out HIS Bride...just like HIS 37yr captivity as prisoner by evil king of babylon...

see 2Kings:25:27 whereby King Jehoiachin was lifted up out of prison
in the 37th yr Captivity:
"And it came to pass in the seven and thirtieth year
of the captivity of Jehoiachin
king of Judah,
in the twelfth month,
on the seven and twentieth day of the month,
that Evil-merodach king of Babylon
in the year that he began to reign
did lift up the head of Jehoiachin king of Judah
out of prison;"


pls see Gospel of John Chapter1...

BEAR in mind that JOHN Baptist was still Baptising many for '7years' because JOHN Baptist was still around before John(B) saw JESUS again the 'next day' after Pharisees asked John(B) and John(B) denied that John(B) was the Prophet 'like MOSES'

v35-37: Again the 'next day'
John(Disciple) heard John(B) saw JESUS and said 'Behold the Lamb of GOD'.

v40: This was the 1st Chronological Timeline after JESUS was 37yr old that John Disciple and Andrew followed JESUS.

v41-42: Andrew found Simon(whom JESUS named as Cephas=Peter) and they were with JESUS for the 1st or Beginning of Miracles. see John2:11

Gospel of JOHN WAS EARLIER ACCOUNT of Matthew/Mark/Luke in that many EVENTs was mentioned before JOHN(B) was cast into prison.

John3:24 "For John[baptist] was not yet cast into prison"

The Matthew's account is much later than John(Disciple) because Matthew(Levi) started to mention JESUS' ministry from AFTER John(B) was cast into prison...

see Matthew:4:11: "Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him."
v12:"Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee;"


The Mark's account is also much later than John(Disciple) because Mark also started to mention JESUS' ministry from AFTER John(B) was cast into prison...

Mark:1:12: "And immediately the Spirit driveth him into the wilderness.
v13: And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.
v14: Now after that John[baptist] was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,"


The Luke's account is also much later than John(Disciple) although Luke mentioned Jesus's baptism after Luke informed of Herod's evil to shut up John(B) in prison...
It is simply reasonable that Herod only imprisoned John(B) after Jesus' baptism and there is no need to mention how long the baptism and imprisonment duration was.

Luke:3:19: "But Herod the tetrarch, being reproved by him for Herodias his brother Philip's wife, and for all the evils which Herod had done,
v20: Added yet this above all, that he shut up John in prison.
v21: Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,"



This Gospel of John(Disciple) proved to be earlier than the Gospel accounts of Matthew/Mark&Luke.

So there could be 7years 'missing ministry' in Matthew/Mark&Luke's accounts...which have the same word 'NOW'.

NOW When John was cast into prison.
NOW After that John was put in prison.
NOW when ALL PEOPLE[during the 7year missing period] were baptised by John(B) before being shut up by Herod.

So we could SEE a MISSING 7 YEAR WORK of JESUS's LONEly MINISTRY before HE was released to call HIS BRIDE ISRAEL.

Did Jesus worked in the wilderness or Northern Israel or Gallilee? It was not revealed yet.

But we can be sure that John(Disciple) who recorded 3 or 4 years of Ministry of JESUS Christ with HIS Disciples could make JESUS dying at age 37+3.5=40yr old.

SO this further proved that JESUS LIVED 'Worked 40 years' and ISRAEL rejected HIM as the PROPHET like unto MOSES.


Pls see: THE YEAR JESUS DIED
http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730287

Re: Hebrews 3 mentioned His Forty Years Works Twice

Hebrews Chapter1 : Jesus as the Son of God

Hebrews Chapter2 : Jesus as the Son of Man

Hebrews Chapter3 : Jesus as the Prophet like unto Moses

Hebrews Chapter4 : Jesus as the Priest & Rest

Hebrews Chapter5 : Jesus as the High Priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Hebrews Chapter6 : Jesus as the Promise of God

Hebrews Chapter7 : Jesus as the Perfect Priest & Sacrifice

Hebrews Chapter8 : Jesus as the Perfect New Covenant

Hebrews Chapter9 : Jesus as the Perfect Tabernacle/Blood/Offering

Hebrews Chapter10 : Jesus as the One offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Hebrews Chapter11: Justification by Faith in JESUS

Hebrews Chapter12: Jesus the author and finisher of our faith

Hebrews Chapter13: Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.


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Conclusion

Apostle Paul is explaining and confirming to
Israel the Hebrews that
JESUS is the Author and Finisher of our Faith.
Hebrews12:2

Therefore in Chapter 3...
'MY WORKS' in verse9 refers to JESUS' WORKS

so this confirms Jesus Worked 40 years like unto Moses.

Re: Hebrews 3 mentioned His Forty Years Works Twice

Hi Mike,

Are you open to revelation and allowing the Holy Spirit to share another idea?





The life of Jesus on earth lasted 33 1/2 years, but only the last 3 1/2 years of that was dedicated to healing the sick and raising the dead, etc. He was the "Anointed One" during those last 3 1/2 years

http://www.bibletimelines.org/framedlife.html


Keep looking UP!


Maranatha.

Steven

Re: Hebrews 3 mentioned His Forty Years Works Twice

For Fair Use Discussion and Educational Purposes

http://www.gregorgimmel.com/BC-Dating2.pdf

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Hi Mike,

Here is another source.

In the PDF after reading it on the 13th and 14th page are the charts explaining the timeline based on the previous 12 pages of the PDF.

Anyways hope you are able to read it and find some information of value.

God Bless

Maranatha!!!


Steven





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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.


__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

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Steven

Re: Hebrews 3 mentioned His Forty Years Works Twice

Steven
Hi Mike,

Are you open to revelation and allowing the Holy Spirit to share another idea?





The life of Jesus on earth lasted 33 1/2 years, but only the last 3 1/2 years of that was dedicated to healing the sick and raising the dead, etc. He was the "Anointed One" during those last 3 1/2 years

http://www.bibletimelines.org/framedlife.html


Keep looking UP!


Maranatha.

Steven

Dear Steven,

You are the ONE who is NOT open...I was opened to that '30yrs old + 3.5yrs' ministry for 20yrs since my conversion...

Last year The LORD Revealed to me this HIDDEN LONELY MINISTRY of CHRIST in HIS WORD.

'30yrs old' + '?time' + '3.5yrs'

Pls check it out my dear brother and you will find joy and truth in knowing and understanding Mystery only revealed in this LAST DAYS...

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Pls check Gospels Matthew4,Mark1&Luke3
note that JESUS was driven immediately into wilderness for 40DAYS
and there is A 'MISSING TIME' when JESUS BEGAN PREACHING AFTER JOHN(Baptist) was cast into PRISON...
then Matthew/Mark&Luke started to mentioned about JESUS' ministry to start preaching Repentence...
then Jesus asked Peter to Follow HIM & forsake all.


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According to Gospel of Matthew,Mark&Luke

'Baptism of JESUS' + '40DAYS' + 'MISSING TIME' + John(B)in Prison + 'JESUS Preached Repentence' + 'Peter Forsook ALL & Followed JESUS'

AFTER Baptism
immediately FORTY DAYS in WILDERNESS
...
Now When John(Baptist) in PRISON,
then JESUS Preached Repentence...
then JESUS CALLED PETER Again who forsook all and Followed JESUS

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Pls read Gospel John Chapter1 and note that 'JESUS' 40DAYs in wilderness' was not even mentioned and there is this 'MISSING TIME' when JESUS appeared the next day to JOHN(Baptist)...knowing that there must be 'UNKNOWN TIME PERIOD' before JESUS met John(Baptist) again.

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ONE DAY...John(Baptist) confirmed to Jews/Priest&Pharisees that John(B) is not the Prophet/Christ/Elijah.
see John1:19-28

NEXT DAY...John(Baptist) Bare Record that JESUS is the LAMB OF GOD.
see John1:29-34
pls note that John was talking about what he saw earlier that the HolySpirit descended upon JESUS CHRIST when JESUS was baptised by him...and PLS DO NOT ASSUME BAPTISM EVENT taking place.

AGAIN the NEXT DAY...John(Baptist) looking at JESUS Bare Record again that JESUS is the LAMB OF GOD...and this DAY JOHN(Disciple) and ANDREW followed JESUS
see John1:35-39

Before the FOLLOWING DAYAndrew found SIMON(named PETER by JESUS)
see John1:40-43

VERY IMPORTANT point...John was not yet cast into prison when Peter followed Jesus...John3:24

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According to Gospel of John,


'?time' + 'NEXT DAY' + 'NEXT DAY' + '3.5yrs JESUS MINISTRY according to GOSPELofJOHN'

The Account of Jesus' Ministry Started since
THE DAY, John(B) confirmed that he is not the PROPHET,
+ NEXT DAY, John(B) confirmed that JESUS is the LAMB of GOD
+ NEXT DAY, John(B) confirmed that JESUS is the LAMB of GOD...and 2 Disciples followed JESUS and started the CHURCH Ministry of JESUS CHRIST

note: Baptism EVEnt not recorded as a process but a narration of John(B)

note: 40days of JESUS in the Wilderness was not necessary to be mentioned because 7 years has passed.

note: Peter followed his brother Andrew who followed Jesus before John(B) was cast into prison and Peter was not prepared to forsake ALL yet.
John3:24
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Dear Steven,

could you pls anwser my questions below?

1) Do you believe that Jesus need to WORK ALONE like JACOB for 7years before JESUS could CALL HIS Church?

2) Do you believe that John(B) confirmed that JESUS was the LAMB of GOD after A MISSING TIME (of AT LEAST 40DAYS) since John(B) baptised JESUS?

3) Do you believe that JESUS started ministry Before OR After John(B) was cast into Prison?

4) Do you believe there is this missing time from 40DAYS wilderness till John(B) was cast in Prison?

5) If Jesus died at 33.5yrs old, would you DARE argue with JEWS&Priest that JESUS is like MOSES the Prophet?

6) Would you mind DYING by being STONED to confirm if JESUS died 33.5yrs old?

7) Why don't you believe that JESUS died 40yrs old?

Re: Hebrews 3 mentioned His Forty Years Works Twice

Steven
For Fair Use Discussion and Educational Purposes

http://www.gregorgimmel.com/BC-Dating2.pdf

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Hi Mike,

Here is another source.

In the PDF after reading it on the 13th and 14th page are the charts explaining the timeline based on the previous 12 pages of the PDF.

Anyways hope you are able to read it and find some information of value.

God Bless

Maranatha!!!


Steven





_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.


__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

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Steven


Dear Brother Steven,

The quoted timeline has certain non-biblical 'facts' which could not be correct as follows:-

1) the timeline was 4117years till Jesus which if we added 2000years till this year...it had already entered the 7th DAY REST of GOD which I COULD NOT ACCEPT as a fact.
The reason is that we are not yet in the 7th DAY REST because satan is not yet LOCKED 1000years and JESUS has not TAKEN Kingdom YET and we are not yet reigning as Kings, right?

2) The author quoted Daniel's 70weeks till Jesus was 490years+49years+1yr which means that Daniel was given 77weeks + 1 day INSTEAD of the 70weeks which is not biblical, right?
I need not explain...

3) The author stated that 586BC was scientifically proven and we should not take it as a FACT because SCIENTIST could not even Believe the Earth was Created within 6DAYs, so could we believe in Carbon DATing of 586BC?
I need not explain...

4) Have you seen my website showing the 6000years puzzle solved? It was a summary of the most refined or fined-tuned 7000years timeline to the years with tolerances & accuracies factored in.

http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730281

http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730272

5) the 430years sojourning was started by Israel and not by Abraham.
Pls note that Joseph was sold into Egypt in the 30th year of Jacob's sojourning and so began 400years affliction in Egypt.
Jacob went into sojourning after their father Eber died and Esau wanted to kill Jacob after the days of the mourning is over.
Jacob ran away to Laban and stay 14years there and Joseph was born before Jacob wanted to leave Laban but Laban asked Jacob to stay 6years for wages.
Joseph was born when Jacob was 91yrs old.
Joseph was 17yr old meaning that 30yrs of Sojourning which explains the mystery of 430yrs and 400yrs in these 2 verses...


Ge:15:13,14: "And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed[not Abraham] shall be a stranger in a land[Egypt] that is not theirs, and shall serve them[Egyptians]; and they[Egyptians] shall afflict them[Israelites] four hundred[400] years;And also that nation[Egypt], whom they[Israelites] shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance[EXODUS]."

FULFILLMENT: note the comas in between 'WHO DWELT IN EGYPT'

Exodus:12:40: "Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years."

The PHRASE is this:
Now the sojourning of the children of Israel was four hundred and thirty years.
Israel was having children and started 30years of sojourning with Laban.
the Four Hundred YEARS in Egypt was added as sojourning years too.




There are many many details in my timelines and you may download to confirm them pls.


OR YOU MAY VIEW THESE compressed version directly from website:-

http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730270

Pls check and you would understand why I believe the timeline is not done of my own accord...