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Modern survivors

The last thread started talking about modern vehicles and it started me think about surviving now what would be the priorities, the same as in the 70's
Food
Shelter
Medicine
Transport

But would our solutions be the same.For food I live walking distance to the sea with abundant seafood still and a 15 min walk to working farms with cattle, sheep and horses. I already keep chickens, but have no idea what to feed and maintain other livestock especially ones that have been brought up with antibiotics , drenching and regular vet treatments. Books at the local library no longer exist its all stored electronically.

Shelter is easy the house on the hill is "off grid" but the technology to keep it going need regular checking and repair by specialists. Having air con but being unable to cook dinner as the oven element has burnt out doesn't help. The old farmhouses with fireboxes for stoves are long gone.

Medicine
I keep bees and can harvest honey but with the varroa mite it need 2 treatments annually. The miticide used is sealed in packets which expire after 2 years maybe you could scrape along for 5 after that the hives would fail leaving the pollination by hand or wind. Bumble bees are free of varroa but because of size limited to the plants they can pollinate.

Transport.
Most modern cars run on fully synthetic oil so no replacement/substitute available and they all have modern computers to run them. Good luck fixing the computer.

Surviving in the modern world would be harder then the 70's what do you think. What would be the challenge for you

Re: Modern survivors

I keep getting drawn back to this subject, for some reason, possibly because the original series had such a strong effect on me as a teenager. I'm also trying to write on the subject whilst avoiding referencing Survivors - which, given how good it was is very hard to do.

I know that I'm no gardener - everything I plant withers and dies and our garden has a wild charm to it, or so my wife tells me. I think that is code though ... Could I produce enough food to feed just me, never mind others? Doubtful. My neighbours have a lovely garden - I wonder if they'd share?

Supermarkets run on a JiT system and they would soon run out of food. No deliveries, no one to re-stock shelves and panic buying would soon empty the stores. With the electric off all the fresh food left would soon be useless. That would attract rats and mice meaning that a lot of the dried and packet food would be gone or spoiled soon after that. Only the canned or otherwise securely packaged food would be left over. There would however be masses of it but held at the central hubs that the supermarkets are supplied from. The modern series got this right but, typically, failed to follow up on it. Whoever holds the hubs will be in clover -ish.

Shelter wouldn't be such a big problem but you are right about the cooking facilities - the vast majority of homes use gas or electric cooking and even those with Argers rarely use solid fuel to run them. Cooking facilities would have to be created - if you like BBQs. The drains would work as usual for decades and as long as there is access to the loo cistern there would be no need to do bear impersonations. Finding water might be an issue though but at least we know to boil it before drinking.

Within a year most corpses would be gone and not a health risk, although from what I've read dead bodies are not a major health issue even in large numbers. The disease that killed Paul was more likely a consequence of the BBC not wanting to pay for filming in a built up area than any real health issue. Typhus, diphtheria and cholera are pretty much gone from the UK and as they are living organisms they won't just pop back into existence just because there are lots of dead around. Much of what used to kill us is gone - but not everything.

So we'd have our pick of places to live - but then so would all the other survivors - baggsy Buckingham Palace!

Power could be restored using windmills or solar power. They are not so hard to install as you would think, can provide a reasonable amount of power but require maintenance. There are a number of firms that make or sell them in the UK. They require electronics to function but that can be circumvented. Then there are generators that use bio fuel ...

Medicine would be a true killer though. We would be thrown back to pre-history times with hardly any medical knowledge worth a bean. First aid will only take us so far - forget anything requiring real knowledge - a slight cut could kill if it gets infected and chopping an arm off to stop it spreading isn't easy or even that effective. We would have to go back to the herbal 'cures' of the past and given how ineffective they were then God help us. As for child birth - good luck with that.

Transport would be a real pain. As I pointed out in the last thread petrol doesn't last forever, possibly, and either way within ten years all unmaintained vehicles would be in need of serious repair. Again the electronics could be circumvented and spare parts would be available for a while. Horses would not be so easy to find as most are stabled and would be very dead in days unless they somehow escaped. I live in the countryside and horses out to grass are a rare sight and usually only the old and knackered - the ones that won't get nicked. Perhaps it was different in the '70's but a horse for all is unlikely - and have you ever tried riding one?

Animal husbandry would be trial and error but it can't be that difficult can it? Well, maybe!

Either way the knowledge for all these problems exists, written down, somewhere. There are still libraries and book depositories, even second hand book shops where some if not all knowledge could be saved.
The biggest problem though would be other people.

The biggest problem though would be other people. Given how quickly many people fail in the basic tenets of civilisation when things don't go their way, other people and their selfish ways would be a major cause of concern. We are social creatures and crave company so we would put up with people we would otherwise run a mile from today, just to stay alive. But as a wise man once said - hell is other people.

As per usual the lucky would survive and the unlucky would contribute to the secondary death statistics.

Well, that's cheered me up no end!

Re: Modern survivors

Afternoon Peter.
I think how the few people left would cope with each other - is an interesting question. In Corn Dolly, Charles found the answer, that "Everyone loves everyone"
But if that happened for real, with no prospect of rescue, Yanks over the horizon etc etc - how WOULD we three get along?, Would complete strangers: Bob, Peter & Heather bumping into each other, a bit like Jenny Greg & Abby did, would we three strangers to each other actually work together for a new future & life. What Skills do we already have between us, that would help things along?
Now I'm a practical sort of chap, a retired Electrician - good at making non working things work. These days I would be thinking of setting up camp near a wind or solar farm, so we would be able to refrigerate any food we grow, catch or ransack from a Supermarket.
I am not an agricultural person, Growing grass, a few roses & a bit of mint (lovely in potatoes) in the garden, is about my lot. As for butchering animals, the very thought revolts me. I'm typical I suppose, as I like to see sheep & lambs in a field, but also like a roast lamb Sunday lunch - all the bits in between, I don't really think about.

So what would Peter & Heather have to throw in the melting pot of survival, to persuade us to create a commune together?
Would we like or hate each other in that situation, bearing in mind all our family & friends are dead, along with everyone we knew - we are all probably deeply in shock too. The Lights are out, mobile phones are door stops, water from taps, is suspect.

Any government, Royalty or rulers have probably died along with everyone else.
I personally believe, provided one of us, was not living off the other two, think we would soon come to like or even love each other. Even the (painted as lazy) Tom Price Character, knew how to catch Rabbits - & did so. They would be food if need be. Where I live in Suffolk, they were the staple diet for centuries in this area.

Re: Modern survivors

Bob good question What could I bring to the group.
1. I am a gardener. I have an extensive vegetable garden, both a winter and a summer vegetable gardener. The summer garden has chooks in it at the moment for fertilization and bug removal. They will stay in there until Late September. The chookhouse at the back of the summer garden was built by myself. I also have a greenhouse 5 meters by 2 meters wide again built by myself to provide tomatoes, eggplants peppers and lettuce over winter. A separate herb and berry garden. I make my own compost from scraps and chicken waste.
2. I am a beekeeper and could if necessary keep a hive going with organics It would require a lot of work and hive splitting but could be done.
4.I am a good cook and can cook anything. Used caste iron pots on fireboxes even baked bread over a fire in Africa.
3. I can spin and knit wool. Pattern making not so useful, but hand stitching and making clothing is.
4. Can ride a horse, wash and groom.
5. I am on no medication.
6. Large amount of practical books. (a room full)

This may look good on "paper" but I only work 3 days a week and I don't produce enough vegetables to feed two for a week. It would require a much larger area and more people to work the garden. I hope I never have to be a "survivor" as a life of endless hard work is depressing. On the plus side the weather on the east coast of New Zealand is mild. Where I live has fresh water and is close to the sea for fishing. Over the hill are working farms with dams and a horse treking business with large horses. The museum of technology has old farm equipment in working condition. Maybe I could cope but in a town of 35,000 if only 1 in 10,000 survived would would the other 2.5 people be like. Its a 3.5 hours drive through a gorge one way and a 3 hour drive the other way to the next city. No rail.

Re: Modern survivors

Thanks for your reply Heather - you do sound a good candidate for Survival - I would have to hunt out some "Ace inhibiters" to keep my blood pressure down! & I have teeth problems, so a surviving dentist would be handy! Caused by not looking after them properly when I was younger!

Re: Modern survivors

Hmmm, Corn Dolly. Not my favourite episode. Even as a teenager I wondered at all those women falling for that line! Fortunately Charles' character changed somewhat for series two.

As to surviving it would be very hard but I suspect I'd muddle through or die in a drunken haze - all that beer to drink before it goes off! So who knows how long I'd last - which is part of the fun of the exercise?

Anyway, I spent the last years of my working life project managing so if you need a king you know where to apply!