From this, it is obvious the “seed of the woman” of Genesis 3:15 is collective in nature as well as the serpent’s “seed.” Let’s now consider John 8:44:

SMITH & GOODSPEED ON JOHN 8:44

“The devil is the father you are sprung from, and you want to carry out your father’s wishes. He was a murderer from the first, and he has nothing to do with truth, for there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks in his true character, for he is a liar and the father of them.”

You can see very clearly, then, this verse is not speaking in a “spiritual” sense as most one-seedliners would have you to believe. If so, how would one murder someone spiritually? It would be ridiculously absurd to interpret this verse in a “spiritual” manner. When it is speaking of murder in this verse, it is speaking of Cain murdering Abel. It is not speaking of Cain murdering Abel “spiritually”, but physically. I am not the only one who understands this verse in such a way. The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge, edited by Jerome H. Smith, published by the Thomas Nelson Publishers, page 1203, understands John 8:44 to be speaking of the murder of Abel by Cain, for it makes reference to Genesis 4:8. This is an entire book of cross-references. As far as I know, this book is in no way promoting the Two Seedline doctrine, nor does it have an ax to grind on this subject. Let’s take a look at Genesis 4:8 to which this book makes reference from John 8:44:

“And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.”

For evidence to help prove that John 8:44 is speaking of the “Jews” as being descendants of Cain, and that Smith & Goodspeed have translated this passage correctly, we will check on the word “OF” , like in “Ye are of your father the devil.” The Strong’s number in the Greek is 1537. The New Testament Word Study Dictionary by Dr. Spiros Zodhiates devotes five pages to define and expound the word “OF” as used in the Greek, pages 529-534. Obviously, I cannot quote this entire document here, but cite only that which is relevant to John 8:44:

“1537.... Preposition governing the genitive, primarily meaning out of, from, of, as spoken of such objects which were before another ... Of the origin or source of anything, i.e., the primary, direct, immediate source ... Of persons, of the place, stock, family, condition, meaning out of which one is derived or to which he belongs ... Of the source, i.e., the person or thing, out of or from which anything proceeds, is derived, or to which it pertains ...”

When I translated the Christogenea New Testament, I very frequently wrote the phrase from of where the preposition ἐκ appears, as it is used with the Genitive Case which by itself denotes of, or possession. This practice is purposely redundant. I did it to show that the word denoted the source or origin of a person or thing, and not merely an association. In regard to Cain, nowhere in Scripture can it be shown that he merely followed a devil in his behavior, or that he was merely a student or disciple of some devil. There is no mention of Cain’s having attended the First Baptist Church of Satan in Genesis. Clifton speaks at greater length on Genesis 4:1 further on in this series, and we will hold off on any further commentary we have to offer until then. Once more, continuing with Clifton:

MORE ON THE WORD “OF” IN JOHN 8:44

As I stated before herein, we really need to examine the word “OF” in John 8:44, for it is very critical in understanding that the “Jews” are the descendants of Cain. The word “OF” is the Greek word #1537 in the Strong’s Concordance. Most one-seedliners will claim John 8:44 should be taken spiritually only; that it is not speaking of a literal genetic offspring of Satan through Cain. Jeffrey A. Weakley (a one-seedliner) in his 1994 booklet The Satanic Seedline, Its Doctrine and History, page 24, in his attempt to discredit the Two Seedline teaching, says this of John 8:44 (this is an “Argument” and “Answer” debate conducted solely by him in his booklet):

“This does not show that Cain was of that wicked one physically, but rather he was of that wicked one spiritually. Let’s look at part of 1 John 3:8: ‘He that committeth sin is of the devil ...’ When one studies out 1 John 3:8-12 the meaning becomes crystal clear. It must be talking about who we are serving spiritually. If it is talking about physical descendants, then all of us are physical descendants of Satan because we all have sinned. ‘For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God ...’ (Rom 3:23) ... So if we have all sinned and if he that committeth sin is of the devil, we must conclude that all of us are of the devil ... So what is it saying? Are you of the devil by physical descent or are you of the devil because you serve him (or have served him in the past)?” ... “ARGUMENT [of the two seedliners]: John 8:44 says, ‘Ye are of your father the devil ...’ This shows that the devil is their physical father” ... ANSWER [by Jeffrey A. Weakley]: “Wrong. This once again shows that the devil is their spiritual father (the one that they serve).”

A few years after this, when I first read and translated the epistles of John from the Greek, I realized that English readers could not possibly understand the first epistle of John properly, because John makes a distinction which all of the translations I have seen in English neglect. That distinction is between those who merely commit sin, and those who have devised it, those who have created the environment in which man becomes prone to sin, those who are the panderers of sin. For that reason, in the sin of Adam all Adamic men die, but in the mercy of Christ only Adamic men, all of them, shall be made alive. For that reason John says that one cannot sin if his seed is in him – because as Paul explains, ultimately sin will not be accounted to him. John is writing on a spiritual level, but he is writing about the physical creation of God. So in response to this I ultimately wrote an essay titled Sin and the First Epistle of John. Back to Clifton, where he justly criticizes Jeffrey Weakley:

We must then determine whether John 8:44 is speaking of a “spiritual” children or a physical children. The word “OF” is critical in John 8:44 for determining this. The word in the Greek is #1537. In John 8:44 the Greek form is ἐκ which is sometimes ἐξ. You can check this out in most any of the Greek interlinears. [The distinction is generally only whether a vowel or consonant follow the word.] The New Testament Greek Study Aids, by Walter Jerry Clark, says, on page 230, about the Greek word ἐκ: “out of ... with the genitive: by means of, out of.” The Intermediate New Testament Greek by Richard A. Young, page 95 says the following about the Greek word ἐκ: “ἐκ often conveys special extensions ‘out of’ or ‘from.’ For example, the prophet said that God would call His Son out of Egypt (Matthew 2:15)” From the Greek to English Interlinear by George Ricker Berry, page 31 of his Greek-English New Testament Lexicon, we have this on ἐκ: “ἐκ or before a vowel, ἐξ, a preposition governing genitive, from, out of.” The Thayer Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, page 189 expresses ἐκ this way: “... out of, as separation from, something with which there has been close connection ...” In other words, the “Pharisees” in John 8:44 had a close genetic connection out of or from “the devil.”

There are 32 other places in the New Testament where this Greek word (1537) ἐκ is used in the same sense. Let’s see if these other passages are speaking of physical or “spiritual” beings: In Matthew 1:3 it speaks of “Phares and Zara being ‘OF’ Thamar.” Does that sound “spiritual”? Again in Matthew 1:5 it says “Booz begat Obed ‘OF’ Ruth.” Again, does that sound “spiritual”? In Matthew 1:18 it speaks of the Christ “child being ‘OF’ the Holy Ghost.” Again, does that sound “spiritual”? In Matthew 1:20 it again speaks of the Christ “child being ‘OF’ the Holy Ghost.” Again, does that sound “spiritual.”? In Mark 5:8 the Redeemer commanded an unclean spirit to “come out ‘OF’ the man.” Does the “man”, from which the spirit was cast, sound “spiritual”? In Luke 2:36 it speaks of one “Phanuel ‘OF’ the tribe of Aser.” Does this sound like a real person or a spirit? In Acts 13:21 it speaks of “a man ‘OF’ the tribe of Benjamin.” Again, are we talking “spiritually” here? In Romans 1:3 it speaks of Yahshua being “made ‘OF’ the seed of David according to the flesh.” How do the one-seedliners claim this one to be “spiritual” when it states outright, “flesh”? After all, it’s the same word “OF” as used in John 8:44?!?! In Romans 16:10 it speaks of “them which are ‘OF’ Aristobulus’ [household].” Can we ask again if this is someone who is a real person or something strangely “spiritual”? In Romans 16:11 it speaks of “them that be ‘OF’ the [household] of Narcissus.” Does the word “OF” here apply to some real person or do we have to relegate it to something “spiritual”? In 1 Corinthians 11:12, it says “the woman [is] ‘OF’ the man.” I can just imagine some ardent one-seedliner explaining to his wife she is not a real person! In Philippians 4:22 it speaks of “they that are ‘OF’ Caesar’s household.” I guess that we Two Seedliners are now supposed to believe that Caesar was something spiritual! In Hebrews 7:5 it speaks of “the sons ‘OF’ Levi ...” and “out ‘OF’ the loins of Abraham.” I guess the one-seedliners would now have us Two Seedliners to believe that the Levite’s and Abraham’s loins were some kind of a “spiritual” mirage! In 1 John 3:8 we are told: “He that committeth sin is ‘OF’ the devil.” The devil (Satan) was the original lawbreaker, and that is what sin is all about! In 1 John 3:12 it further describes “Cain [who] was ‘OF’ that wicked one.” The one-seedliners really do some rhetorical gymnastics with this passage. Jeffrey A. Weakley said this passage was also “spiritual”. In Revelation 3:9 it states: “I will make them ‘OF’ the synagogue of Satan ...” A synagogue is a worship house of Satan. The “Jews” truly do worship Satan their father and they admit with their own words that they are descended from Cain. I have in my possession a quotation from a publication Liberal Judaism published January, 1949 by a Rabbi Dr. Abba Hillel Silver who states in part, speaking of the then-new State of Israel: “... the concept of the wandering Jew ... For the curse of Cain, the curse of being an outcast and a ‘wanderer’ over the face of the earth has been removed ...”

It is only the one-seedliners who do not understand that Cain was to be a “vagabond”, a “wanderer” and having the “curse of Cain” upon him. Name one other group today [besides the Jews] that fits this category [so it must identify the Jews]. In Revelation 5:5 it speaks of “the Lion of the tribe ‘OF’ Judah.” Are we also supposed to believe that this is something “spiritual”, and deny that Yahshua came in the flesh? In Revelation 7:5-8 we have: “‘OF’ the tribe of Judah ... ‘OF’ the tribe of Reuben ... ‘OF’ the tribe of Gad ... ‘OF’ the tribe of Aser ... ‘OF’ the tribe of Nepthalim ... ‘OF’ the tribe of Manasses ... ‘OF’ the tribe of Simeon ... ‘OF’ the tribe of Levi ... ‘OF’ the tribe of Issachar ... ‘OF’ the tribe of Zabulon ... ‘OF’ the tribe of Joseph ... ‘OF’ the tribe of Benjamin.” If we are to be consistent, (a word which the one-seedliners like to use), if the same Greek word that is used in all these references is physical in nature, so, too, is the word “OF” in John 8:44! Very convenient to throw up the word “spiritual” whenever you want to forge a barrier and not accept the truth which Yahshua spoke: “Ye are OF your father the devil.” Yahshua was simply saying to the “Jews” that they were GENETIC chips off the old block.

Also, I suggest that most people who use the word “spiritual” in this way don’t even know what the word means. The dictionary might lead to the idea of a disembodied soul or an apparition; something mysterious or mystic. The Bible meaning for “spiritual” is: life as opposed to death. How does such a description of the word “spiritual” fit John 8:44? It’s obvious, it doesn’t!

I do not remember whether Clifton discusses it in this series or not, but Luke chapter 11 is an excellent second witness to John 8:44 where it says in words attributed to Christ: “50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation [race]; 51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation [race].” As Clifton has also argued elsewhere, only those of the race of Cain can be accountable for the blood of Abel. Returning to Clifton:

WOMEN HAVE “SEED” TOO

While women do not produce sperm, they contribute as much to the DNA of a child as does the man. The very instant at which the sperm unites with the ovum is when the life of a newly conceived child begins. This very first united living cell begins the birth process. This process is then continued until every single cell in the newly formed child is married with the blueprints of both the father and the mother. Science knows today that each single cell of the human body has two sets of 23 chromosomes, or a total of 46. I will now quote The World Book Encyclopedia, volume 9, page 192d:

“Every human body cell contains two sets of 23 chromosomes. These two sets look very much alike. Each chromosome in one set can be matched with a particular chromosome in the other set. Egg cells and sperm cells have only one set of 23 chromosomes. These cells are formed in a special way, and end up with only half the number of chromosomes found in body cells. As a result, when an egg and a sperm come together, the fertilized egg cell will contain the 46 chromosomes of a normal body cell. Half of the chromosomes come from the mother, and half from the father.”

With this in mind, we know then, the female supplies 23 chromosomes from one of her egg cells and the male supplies the other 23 chromosomes from one of his sperm cells. Once we understand this, it gives a better portrayal of what the Bible is talking about when it mentions the word “seed.” One particular one-seedliner, Charles Weisman, went to great lengths to try to prove Eve didn’t have any “seed.” Inasmuch as Eve was taken from Adam, she could only have the very identical DNA (or “seed”) as Adam.

Charles Weisman, who passed away just last year, was also dishonest. Genesis 3:15 clearly says “her seed”, and if Yahweh God Himself states that a woman has seed, who is man to argue? But Weisman was another anti-seedliner with an agenda, the same agenda as the turkey Ted Weiland. Returning to Clifton:

THE PARABLE OF THE “TARES”

The parable of the wheat and the tares is found in Matthew 13:24-30, 37-43. Sandwiched in-between these passages in verse 35 is the statement: “I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.” Yahshua then revealed the significance of the parable as meaning He, being Yahweh, had fathered the good “seed” (wheat), and that the tares were fathered by the wicked one. At this point, His disciples were introduced to Two Seedline doctrine. If the disciples had understood it before, they wouldn’t have made the request to him to “declare the parable.” The declarations of the wheat and the tares are as follows:

(1) The good seed, spérma, (Adam and his descendants) were fathered by the Son of Man (Son of Adam, Yahweh/Yahshua). (2) The field is the world. (3) The good seed, (Adamites) are the genetic sons of Yahweh. [As Luke says, Adam is the son of God.] (4) The tares (“Jews”) are the genetic sons of Satan. (5) The enemy that fathered the tares is the serpent of Genesis 3:15. [We believe that there were more tares produced in the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil”, which repreesent the entire race of fallen angels, however the serpent of Genesis 3:15 certainly was the first to sow tares in among the wheat. The devil of Revelation 12.] (6) The harvest of both the wheat and the tares is at the end of the age. (7) The reapers are messengers (angels) identifying both the wheat and tares. (8) The tares are gathered by the messengers and put into fiery judgment. (9) The tares will wail and gnash their teeth at the messenger’s Two Seedline message. (10) Then the genetic sons of Adam will shine as the sun, and will inherit the Kingdom after the tares are destroyed.

The one-seedliners are identifying the “wheat”, but the Two Seedliners are identifying both the “wheat” and the “tares”! Only the messengers of Two Seedline fit this description as angels. While Judeo-churchianity claims the “tares” are the “wheat”, the one-seedliners declare there are no “tares.” I guess that makes the one-seedliners half Judeo-churchianity and half Israel Identity with only a half a message!!! (Maybe, also, half hot and half cold? Revelation 3:15-16, lukewarm.)

Surely Clifton will have a lot more to say of this parable of the wheat and the tares as this series progresses

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