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Those are just a few examples of this nature. There are others, which clearly show the earth being knocked around in various ways. I think there is a difference between YHWH being able to shake, rattle and roll the earth at His pleasure or in His anger and the earth being removed altogether from its pillared foundation, so personally, I see no contradiction here. It appears to me that YHWH has set this place up to be permanent, and though He may knock it around from time to time, its still not going to leave its firmly established foundation. Yes, earthquakes and catastrophe are permissible, but utter destruction will never come. Take the Flood of Noah for instance. Clearly, the world was rocked:

Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Something got shaken up quite a bit, yet, we're still here. The earth still stands, unmoved, on a sure foundation. Indeed, without a doubt, Scripture is telling us the earth is not constantly moving. In fact, there is growing evidence within the scientific community revealing that the earth is not rotating either. It is quite stationary in every respect. For further evidence of this in both history and science, please take the time to watch this video:




Let's forget the globe vs flat/enclosed earth debate for the moment. Start breaking down the various arguments. Some may argue that the geocentric vs heliocentric models are apart from the globe vs flat/enclosed models - as in they are separate, unrelated arguments. I'm actually thinking they are much more connected than many may think. Because if we end up proving the Scriptures mean what they say concerning the earth not moving, then why not accept what it says concerning its circular shape and nature "under the dome" too? Scripture is clearly telling us the world/earth is circular and enclosed and not spherical and floating in an open system of planets and stars outside of the firmament.

Amos 9:6 is also rather interesting, but its meaning gets completely lost in the KJV:

Amos 9:6 It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name.

This use of the word "troop" here gives us the idea of "boots on the ground." But that doesn't appear to be what is being said there. Consider some of the other renderings of this verse:

The NASB uses the words "vaulted dome" there. The Hebrew word in question is "aguddah," which according to Brown-Driver-Briggs means:



So, here again, we have the sense of a vaulted dome setting on the earth. This dome of Heaven is also described as circular:

Job 22:14 (HCSB) Clouds veil Him so that He cannot see, as He walks on the circle of the sky.

Job 22:14 (LXX) A cloud is his hiding-place, and he shall not be seen; and he passes through the circle of heaven.

This makes me think of those long-term exposure pictures we have all seen of the night sky:



For more stunning pics like these, see:
http://www.dailymail.co.UK/sciencetech/article-2031704/Australian-photographer-Lincoln-Harrison
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According to the Scriptures we've looked at so far, we have the Earth under the stretched out "curtain of heaven," on a foundation that won't be moved, set about with a boundary. This is painting an interesting picture, but again, it's definitely not looking like a globe to me. And it also doesn't look like the Earth is spinning either. Rather, we see the Scriptures painting a picture of a stationary, circular Earth under the circle of heaven. Could the above pics represent the "circle of heaven" in a literal sense? What if the pole star is the actual base of the "circle of heaven" upon which YHWH's throne sits?

Then we have the whole issue of the so-called "corners" and "ends" of the Earth…

Job 28:24 For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven;

Job 37:3 He directeth it under the whole heaven, and his lightning unto the ends of the earth.

Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

Isaiah 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Isaiah 43:6 I'll say to the north, 'Give them up'! And to the south, 'Don't keep them back!' Bring my sons from far away and my daughters from the ends of the earth—

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Revelation 20:8 He will go out to deceive Gog and Magog, the nations at the four corners of the earth, and gather them for war. They are as numerous as the sands of the seashore.

Many Christian apologists want to convince us this is talking about the four cardinal points as we saw in the GotQuestion.org analysis earlier. But if we accept that the authors of Scripture were directly inspired by the Holy Spirit of the Creator Himself, don't you think they would have used better terms to describe a spinning globe orbiting the sun if that were indeed the case? Because I must say, if the Bible really is written in 5th Grade reading level English as so many have tried to teach me that it is my whole life, then, a simple reading of the Scriptures absolutely does not paint a picture of a globe! No kid - unhindered by the interpretation and indoctrination of a "scientist," an "astronaut," "scholar" or "theologian" - would ever get a spinning globe out of any of the above. Rather, again, Scripture appears to be describing something that may look a lot more like this:

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And then what are we supposed to do with these Scriptures...

Joshua 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

Habakkuk 3:11 The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear.

Isaiah 38:8 Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.

Those three Scriptures alone argue more in favor of a stationary, fixed earth with a moving sun and moon inside the earth's firmament than for the typical model we - including me - hold to concerning our globe going around the sun. Even more so when you consider the small sun and moon (which are described as being the same size in the Flat/Enclosed Earth model) are described as parking over specific cities:

Joshua 10:12 Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.

Ultimately, the question of the Bible's validity is raised when looking at the mechanics of the Joshua, Habakkuk and Isaiah stories from the "scientific" perspective. Because the only way the sun and moon could stand still and/or move BACKWARD across the sky in our standard model would be for the earth to stop or suddenly begin to rotate the other way, correct itself and then start back up again in order to get everything back to normal.

Using the scene from the first Superman movie as an example, the question of what would happen if the earth stopped rotating is addressed by the "How Stuff Works" website:http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/what-if/what-if-earth-stopped-spinning.htm

"Earth's magnetic field might go away, too. While we're not entirely sure how that magnetic field is generated, one leading theory states that it's the result of Earth's inner core rotating slightly faster than outer core (yep, two different rotations on one planet). If both of them stop, the mechanism behind Earth's magnetic field may as well, leaving us exposed to potential harmful solar winds "

Or how about this one from NASA:http://image.gsfc.NASA.gov/poetry/ask/q1168.HTML

"If the Earth stopped spinning suddenly, the atmosphere would still be in motion with the Earth's original 1100 mile per hour rotation speed at the equator. All of the land masses would be scoured clean of anything not attached to bedrock. This means rocks, topsoil, trees, buildings, your pet dog, and so on, would be swept away into the atmosphere."

Now watch these videos, as told by those who believe the current, dominant view of our cosmology:

So, if we are to claim we believe the Bible is true and we can take it literally, we have a big problem concerning the stories that describe the sun and moon standing still, and even going backward. I think these are questions worthy of answering from a Biblical world view. And I'm sorry, but typical "apologetics" responses such as the ones given here, don't really cut it for me: http://creation.mobi/joshuas-long-day Surely, we can do better than that! Of course, saying, "Well, God can do anything. He created the Universe, so surely He could suspend all of the laws of nature and physics to accommodate these miracles" is a nice Kindergarten answer. But such an answer will never satisfy a skeptic with an analytical, scientific mind. They will instead write our Bible off as a book of fantasy. Science triumphs over fantasy. Why believe a book that is so demonstrably false? See the problems we run into?

In an enclosed, flat, stationary model however, those problems are easily solved. The same with Scriptures like these:

Daniel 4:
10 Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:

Matthew 4:
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

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1 Enoch 21:1. And I proceeded to where things were chaotic. 2. And I saw there something horrible: I saw neither a heaven above nor a firmly founded earth, but a place chaotic and horrible. 3. And there I saw seven stars of the heaven bound together in it, like great mountains and burning with fire. 4. Then I said: 'For what sin are they bound, and on what account have they been cast in hither?' 5. Then said Uriel, one of the holy angels, who was with me, and was chief over them, and said: 'Enoch, why dost thou ask, and why art thou eager for the truth? 6. These are of the number of the stars of heaven, which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord, and are bound here till ten thousand years, the time entailed by their sins, are consummated.' 7. And from thence I went to another place, which was still more horrible than the former, and I saw a horrible thing: a great fire there which burnt and blazed, and the place was cleft as far as the abyss, being full of great descending columns of fire: neither its extent or magnitude could I see, nor could I conjecture. 8. Then I said: 'How fearful is the place and how terrible to look upon!' 9. Then Uriel answered me, one of the holy angels who was with me, and said unto me: 'Enoch, why hast thou such fear and affright?' And I answered: 'Because of this fearful place, and because of the spectacle of the pain.' 10. And he said unto me: 'This place is the prison of the angels, and here they will be imprisoned for ever.'

In the Book of Enoch we see that the stars are to follow specific courses and not deviate from them. If they do, they are punished for violating YHWH's commandment concernig their "circuit" in the heavens. Indeed, the stars, like the sun and moon, also have portals through which they are to come and go. Whether or not Job ever read the Book of Enoch, he certainly seemed to have had a similar view:

Job 9:
1 Then Job answered and said,
2 I know it is so of a truth: but how should man be just with God?
3 If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand.
4 He is wise in heart, and mighty in strength: who hath hardened himself against him, and hath prospered?
5 Which removeth the mountains, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger.
6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.
7 Which commandeth the sun, and it riseth not; and sealeth up the stars.
8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.
9 Which maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south.

Something else of interest:

Is the flat/enclosed earth hollow? Yes. Enoch goes into great detail concerning the underworld here:

1 Enoch 22:1. And thence I went to another place, and he showed me in the west another great and high mountain [and] of hard rock. 2 And there was in it four hollow places, deep and wide and very smooth. How smooth are the hollow places and deep and dark to look at.

3. Then Raphael answered, one of the holy angels who was with me, and said unto me: 'These hollow places have been created for this very purpose, that the spirits of the souls of the dead should assemble therein, yea that all the souls of the children of men should assemble here. And these places have been made to receive them till the day of their judgement and till their appointed period till the period appointed, till the great judgement (comes) upon them.'

5. I saw the spirits of the children of men who were dead, and their voice went forth to heaven and made suit. 6. Then I asked Raphael the angel who was with me, and I said unto him: 'This spirit--whose is it whose voice goeth forth and maketh suit?'

7. And he answered me saying: 'This is the spirit which went forth from Abel, whom his brother Cain slew, and he makes his suit against him till his seed is destroyed from the face of the earth, and his seed is annihilated from amongst the seed of men.'8. Then I asked regarding it, and regarding all the hollow places: 'Why as one separated from the other?'

9. And he answered me and said unto me: 'These three have been made that the spirits of the dead might be separated. And such a division has been made 〈for〉 the spirits of the righteous, in which there as the bright spring of water. 10.And such has been made for sinners when they die and are buried in the earth and judgement has not been executed on them in their lifetime. 11. Here their spirits shall be set apart in this great pain till the great day of judgement and punishment and torment of those who †curse† for ever, and retribution for their spirits. There He shall bind them for ever. 12. And such a division has been made for the spirits of those who make their suit, who make disclosures concerning their destruction, when they were slain in the days of the sinners. 13. Such has been made for the spirits of men who were not righteous but sinners, who were complete in transgression, and of the transgressors. they shall be companions: but their spirits shall not be slain in the day of judgement nor shall they be raised from thence. 14. Then I blessed the Lord of glory and said: 'Blessed be my Lord, the Lord of righteousness, who ruleth for ever.'

Did this tale in Enoch set the stage for Yeshua's parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man? Could be. Yeshua's parable certainly would appear to validate this story. Regardless, this shows there is still room for a "hollow earth" in the Flat Earther's enclosed model. The ancient Sumerians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Hebrews and Greeks all had a view of the Underworld being below our feet. They also had a flat earth worldview.

Enoch has a lot more to say concerning the nature of the heavens, earth, sun, moon and stars, but this should suffice for now. Whether or not you accept Enoch as having any merit is irrelevant. At this point, you should be able to tell that just sticking with the Bible alone, the Flat Earthers have a very strong case against our belief in the globe. The Bible goes on and on with similar descriptions as stated above in Enoch. This ancient apocryphal book merely appears to confirm and elaborate on these themes as a contemporary ancient commentary.

CONCLUSIONS

We can't just ignore all of this and say it's just "figures of speech." Some may say this sort of thing is "divisive" but what are you going to do when someone asks you about it? Just tote the company line fed to us by Luciferian, occult organizations like NASA, which was founded by Nazis and Freemasons? Or will you be able to provide a "ready defense" from the Scriptures for why you believe what you believe?

Why is this subject important?

Of course, all that I have written here begs the question of why? Why would someone want to trick us? If we really are on an enclosed, stationary, flat-ish, circular shaped earth, why fool everyone into thinking we are on a spinning globe, freely floating in the vastness of space? What is the purpose? Isn't all of this just a big waste of time?

I do not see this as a waste of time. I actually (now) see this as a critically important topic to be RE-searching and studying. Consider this: The Bible clearly shows a flat-ish, enclosed, stationary earth model, wherein all of the "luminaries" are under a dome, with the earth being the primary focus of everything in the cosmos. Science calls this "primary focus" idea the Anthropic Principle. We are center stage in this scenario and everything appears to be specifically designed for our benefit. The slightest deviation in nearly anything in the cosmos would make life as we know it impossible.

Whereas, brushing the Anthropic Principle off as mere coincidence and chance, the result of beneficial mutation and natural selection giving us this "illusion," in the Godless Big Bang thesis that NASA and monkey man scientists want us to believe in, we are taught that we're just a mutant on a spec of dust in a small solar system orbiting a less than impressive star in an arm of an average, though still massively huge galaxy, floating in a vast space of countless others. In short, we are insignificant, though fortunate mutations of random chance.

Of course, on the flip-side of that argument, the Creationist may contend that the vast diversity of this massive Universe makes us even more significant as they quote the Psalmist:

Psalm 8:
3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? And the son of man, that thou visitest him?

The idea that YHWH would take notice of this tiny spec in such a vast Creation makes us all the more important. I get that. I've argued the same myself. However, the vastness of that model can certainly imply that YHWH may have His eye on countless other "earths" out there too. If so, are we really that "special" or just different? A parent who has many kids loves them all, each perhaps in different ways, for different reasons, but loves them just the same. Yet, if we are all there is (in the realms outside of the spiritual realm of God Himself and those with Him in that place), then we truly are the "apple of His eye" as a unique and singular, special Creation in the physical realm. We are an "only child" in that sense.

Now imagine why Lucifer would want us to not know this. Imagine why he might want to trick us into thinking there are "others" out there. Imagine why he might want us to believe in the idea of Panspermia (to the point of pushing the notion that Ancient Aliens are the ones who seeded our world with the ingredients for Darwinian-style life to evolve). Imagine how easy his job would then be to get us to take our eyes off of our Creator and place them on alternatives. Further, what if he can get us to doubt our Bible. If the Bible can be demonstrated to be untrue and thus unworthy of our trust in it, imagine how easy he could deceive us, built upon 500+ years worth of deceptive indoctrination. If he is "the father of lies," then this would be his masterpiece! But the problem with telling a lie is you have to invent more lies to cover the lies you've told. In order to do that in this scenario, you'd need to have lots and lots of money so that you could keep producing more and more material to support the lie. Well, what do you know? We just so happen to have TRILLIONS of unaccounted for money out there being used for something. This makes as much sense as anything else - if not more so. Unlimited money can provide unlimited "evidence" to support an ever expanding lie, designed to take our eyes off of the one true Creator and place them on any number of alternatives.

Some have wondered and asked me on Facebook why YHWH would then make us think we are on a globe. I would argue, He didn't! He is telling us over and over again that we are not on a globe, but rather that we are on an enclosed, flat-ish plain, under a dome, upon which He is sitting, lovingly looking down on us. He's not the one deceiving us in this scenario. Lucifer and his monkey man scientists and other cronies are.

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Lessons From The Truman Show:

On April 20th, while considering all of the above, I watched The Truman Show again. I then wrote the following as a Facebook Note on April 21st:

The True Man Show?
April 21, 2015 at 4:04pm
OK. So, as many of you are now (painfully) aware, I've been looking into this whole globe vs enclosed earth models issue. Among other things, it is giving the terms "globalism" and "globalist agenda" a whole new meaning. LOL!

Last night, I watched The Truman (read "true man") Show again. WOW! Did it take on a whole lot of new meaning for me. Let's just ASSUME for a minute that the enclosed model is true. If you can start with that premise, while this movie is totally written from Satan's point of view, it is quite eye-opening.



Why do I say that it is from Satan's point of view? Because Act 1 of the movie ends when a "light" falls from the sky labeled, "Sirius." Too much to go into on that, but it is a representation of Lucifer (light bearer) falling as Sirius, which is a star in Canis Major. The number "9" is depicted on the label of the light, which is also quite telling. But that's another story too. Suffice it to say, the film makers new EXACTLY what they were depicting with that scene. As a side note, it puts "SiriusXM Satellite Radio" into an interesting "light" too. ;) Anyway...



The people watching the show are the angels. The woman Truman never gets to be with is Satan. She is against the CHRISToff character, who is the "Creator of the dome" world Truman lives in. Now, watch the Christoff character. He clearly loves (though tests) Truman, watching every detail of his life from his mother's womb even. Thousands of cameras track his every move, thus Truman is in a confined though carefully cared for environment. People in Christoff's studio are even wearing shirts that say "LOVE HIM. PROTECT HIM." On the surface, it seems Christoff is being very mean to put Truman through the storm at the end of the movie, until you realize he never lets it go too far (not giving more than Truman can handle) and is only doing this to get Truman to "turn back" from a destiny that can only hurt him. But in the end, Truman chooses to step out of that loving and protected environment into what is literally depicted as "outer darkness" outside the dome. He steps out of the brightly lit realm into a door of total blackness, turning his back on his "creator."

As a side note, also of interest, is the scene where Truman is looking in the mirror. He draws an astronaut helmet around his head with soap. Then draws a flag and states "This is TRUEmania" referencing also the name Burbank. Implication? The moon landing was shot in Burbank. LOL! Nice touch.



Pay close attention to the significance of the numbers on his sailboat: "139" and how it is depicted during the storm. Then, read Psalm 139. The writers really did their homework on this one. It was a BRILLIANT scene in light of this Psalm.



Overall, it is great movie, but with a wrong conclusion concerning Truman choosing to leave the careful love and protection of CHRISToff (and Moses actually too) in favor of stepping into outer darkness. Of course in a real world scenario, it makes sense that we would want to see Truman set free from his captivity, but that's the real trick of the movie. It generates sympathy for the Devil and his perspective, while attempting to paint YHWH as the bad guy. YET, the "creator" is never really depicted that way in the movie. In fact, the film makers actually go out of their way to show just how much Christoff really does love and care for Truman.

Just read Psalm 139 again. I really do have to wonder what perspective the writers/film makers had. Because if they took enough time to look this up and make a point of including it on the sailboat that gave Truman his free will AND the warning to try and get him to turn back (repent), it may be that they pulled a fast one on the audience. I don't know. What has the appearance of a "good ending" leading us all to cheer for Truman, means the joke is on us if we missed the "signs" given all along the way. Consider...

Psalm 139:
1 O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
2 You know my sitting down and my rising up;You understand my thought afar off.
3 You comprehend my path and my lying down,And are acquainted with all my ways.
4 For there is not a word on my tongue,But behold, O Lord, You know it altogether.
5 You have hedged me behind and before,And laid Your hand upon me.
6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me;It is high, I cannot attain it.
7 Where can I go from Your Spirit?Or where can I flee from Your presence?
8 If I ascend into heaven, You are there;If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.
9 If I take the wings of the morning,And dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea,
10 Even there Your hand shall lead me,And Your right hand shall hold me.
11 If I say, “Surely the darkness shall fall on me,”Even the night shall be light about me;
12 Indeed, the darkness shall not hide from You,But the night shines as the day;The darkness and the light are both alike to You.

That last line is quite interesting too, because Truman goes missing at night. So, Christoff causes the sun to come up way early, thus causing the "night to shine as day" in that scene.

13 For You formed my inward parts;You covered me in my mother’s womb.
14 I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made;Marvelous are Your works,And that my soul knows very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from You,When I was made in secret,And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed.And in Your book they all were written,The days fashioned for me,When as yet there were none of them.
17 How precious also are Your thoughts to me, O God!How great is the sum of them!
18 If I should count them, they would be more in number than the sand;When I awake, I am still with You.
19 Oh, that You would slay the wicked, O God!Depart from me, therefore, you bloodthirsty men.
20 For they speak against You wickedly;Your enemies take Your name in vain.
21 Do I not hate them, O Lord, who hate You?And do I not loathe those who rise up against You?
22 I hate them with perfect hatred;I count them my enemies.
23 Search me, O God, and know my heart;Try me, and know my anxieties;
24 And see if there is any wicked way in me,And lead me in the way everlasting.

The end of the movie shows Truman turning his back on the "way everlasting" choosing instead the darkness. So, the movie actually has a sad ending not a good one.

This is brilliant thought-provoking film making at its best in my opinion. BOTH sides of the story are fairly well presented, with the "true man" caught in the middle, but when you realize you are cheering for the wrong conclusion, it really gives you pause to think.

Lucifer is constantly trying to get us to see things his way and to draw our love and attention away from YHWH. The spinning globe may be his masterpiece deception, designed to get us to do just that.

Again, I am only bringing this stuff up, because as I've said, I am on a quest for truth. And I need the Bible to be my source for that truth. Right now, the Bible, Enoch and the literature of many ancient cultures, who were far more advanced than we are today, are all conflicting with my own beliefs. Therefore, I am going to continue to dig, in order to "test all things" as we all should. Sadly though, too many Christians really don't know their Bible. They don't care about truth. They'd rather continue on with the many "traditions of men" and ignore Scripture and crucify those who think otherwise. And those of you who insist on being the "thought police," attempting to control or stifle this discussion are only contributing to the many problems plaguing the Christian Church today. For one thing, you make it nearly impossible for anyone - in or out of the Church - to approach you with legitimate questions that deserve answers - and preferably answers from the Scriptures. That is not a good thing. I for one am glad this subject is on the table for discussion.

In conclusion, there is not a doubt in my mind that both the Bible and the Book of Enoch absolutely argue in favor of a still, flat, enclosed earth. OK. So, now I have a big problem. Because on the one hand, you have all heard me say that…

A) I believe the Bible is true
B) I believe the Bible is written in 5th Grade reading level English. It only takes a theologian (or some other know-it-all with expensive pieces of paper hanging on their “I love me walls” to make it say something other than what a child could discern from the plain text.
C) I am on a quest for truth and I don’t care where that leads me. I just want to know.


Yet, in spite of those 3 bullet points, I still believe the earth is round - even though the ancient record is nearly unanimous in its effort to tell me otherwise. So, at this point, I’m really left with more questions than answers, feeling like quite the hypocrite. Or better yet, maybe I am like Thomas. He wanted to believe the "words" but he needed to see the physical evidence. And you know what? I am OK with that. Because Yeshua met poor "doubting Thomas" where he was. To my own shame perhaps, I will take comfort in his story.

John 20:
24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

There are a number of things currently keeping me from fully embracing what I so clearly see from the Scriptures and testimony of Enoch:

The Coriolis Effect
Lunar eclipses
Comets, meteors and impact craters on the moon and other stellar bodies
The Northern Lights
I still believe there are manmade satellites up there, providing us with GPS, weather reports, radio and television signals
Southern hemisphere travel from places like South Africa to Australia seem problematic in the circular, flat earth model
The inconclusiveness of claims concerning the curvature of the earth
I may never get the answers to these (and others that I have), but there is a simple test I know I can can perform, which will "seal the deal" for me, even if I can't resolve all of the others. Point #7 above is something I can test for myself. Therefore, sometime in the next few months, I intend to perform a test of the curvature of the earth. If we really are on a ball, whether it is spinning or not, the curvature has been determined by smarter men than me to be at about 8" per mile. Therefore, I intend to go out to a flat plain area of land or calm water, measure out a distance which should be far enough for an object placed on the ground at one end to be at least 40ft below the (alleged) curvature of the horizon and thus not visible from the other end. I will measure and document the whole thing, and then look through the eye-piece of a camera mounted with a powerful zoom lens. If I can see the object, then I will know the curvature is a myth. This seems to be a simple enough test that any of us can perform. I'll let the smarter folks deal with the other issues. As far as I'm concerned, if the results of testing point #7 reveal the earth to be flat, it will be like putting my fingers in the holes. Even though I doubted the written word, I am confident that my Lord and (patient, loving) Savior will still meet me where I am and bless me for even daring to go on this quest for truth in the first place - in spite of all the ridicule and mocking that continues as a result of simply wanting to take the Bible seriously and believe what it says.

Staying on the quest for truth,

- Rob Skiba

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This woman made a very well thought-out comment regarding the Round Earth teaching:

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1. Seems like a lot of untrue and perverted ideas came from espousing a heliocentric philosophy--things like Sun-day and Christmas/Saturnalia, sun worship, etc. Could a heliocentric earth be another of these perversions? I am suspicious of all things sun-centered.
2. God is revealing a lot of knowledge and truth in these days. Truths that may shock us. Is it any wonder these truths should seem "strange" and "unproveable" since we are so accustomed to lies? Along this line of reasoning, we have been lied to about everything else, why should a flat earth theory be any different?
3. The scriptures often use the phrase the “face” of the earth, and the Bible has a lot to say about faces: man's face (like Cain's) and God's face (like with Jacob and also the Aaronic Blessing). Faces convey the character of their possessor. Perhaps the earth is not a perfect sphere, but rather circular, flatish, and roundish, like our heads, and like our heads, has only one side that has a "face" on it. Only one side is filled with God's creative power of expression. If that is the case, then even that portion of the earth, and of our faces, is rather more flat than spherical. It is this circular, flatish portion that “communicates” with both God and man. The rest of the head/earth is ice or dirt or rocks which are just a covering for whatever is inside, like hair covers the rest of our head.

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Steven is an EXCELLENT Researcher. He knew exactly what I was referring to when I tried to describe the shape of the Earth being like a Pyramid and how it would align with The New Jerusalem coming down because he, himself, had come to the same conclusion.

The Powers that be have been keeping the real deal from the people all along...hiding...their knowledge among themselves while they always painted different facts for us.

Take a look at this picture I got from a link he just sent to me. What do you see?


If you say that looks like the Pyramid Shape above attached to the Pyramid Shape below, you would be right.

AND that is just what the world of the Occult know and keep among themselves. That symbol goes along with their words, "As Above So Below".

The only difference between it and what I was describing is that I had the two wide bases meshed together forming a cube. (This may yet be the final outcome for the two halves put together, when he comes to be among His People to live)


Thanks loads Steven. It's great to have visuals to show to those that don't want to believe we have been presented false information in every way they could including the fact that there is no Rapture before Great Tribulation.

In fact, as we have shown, it may well be that the Church (made up of natural Israel and grafted in Israel, which are the Gentiles) will be taken into the Wilderness to save us from the Evil about to come upon the world.

I hope that many of you will consider who is taken in Matthew 24 and who is left.

The grapes are taken and thrown into the Wine-Press of God's Wrath.

Again Thanks, Steven.

Gerlinda

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The Flat Circular Plane of the Earth

IIsaiah40:22 speaks of the earth as being formed as a giant circle however the way that most interpret it to mean globe sphere or planet is incorrect.

The reason I say this is because when one looks up the keyword circle in the Strong’s Concordance, one will find that the Hebrew word is ????

chûwg, khoog and that it has been translated three times in the scriptures once as circle as in this case, once as circuit, and once as compass.

However it is my opinion that Isaiah is referring to a two dimensional circle such as what one would draw upon a piece of paper and that he is regarding the Earth as such as one would see it from high vantage point when peering down upon a flat circular plane.

The reason I say this is because when one tries to find a word in the scriptures which could apply to the Earth as a globe, planet, or sphere the closest one can come to it in the Hebrew in terms of shape is the key word ball which incidentally Isaiah uses in chapter 22 just 18 chapters before the chapter 40 allusion we find of the description of the Earth as a circle with the heavens spread out as curtain above it. Interestingly enough Isaiah also says that the form of the Earth with heavens spread out above it is in the shape of a tent.

This allusion is in my opinion confirmation of the circle of the flat earth as floor with the heavens spread out as roof above it. If one looks up ball in the Strong’s Concordance one will find that it is listed as the Hebrew word ????? dûwr, dure; which is defined as a circle, ball or pile:—ball, turn, round about.

It is used three times in the scripture once as ball, once as round about, and once as burn which as definition are all completely different from the Hebrew word ???? chûwg, khoog which Isaiah uses in chapter 40 to relate as circle which again fits the shape of the flat Earth plane as seen from above.

One will not find the term planet, globe, or sphere in scripture.

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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
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This story is not new and been told before. I present it to the viewer in hopes that those that discount such a place as Hell being a real place might want to take a different look at it and where it is located. No, Hell it is not in the center of a round Earth. It is not the place where none-believers spend eternity but is the place prepared for Satan and his followers. Where is it located? In the area of the Pillars below the Earth.

The screams of torment are real and they never end. But who are they that are screaming? Have you heard people say about someone who has passed away that now they are in peace? In a way, that is true, they sleep in their graves while their spirit returns to the One who gave it. They sleep until the Resurrection and the Judgment. So, if the body/soul is asleep as the scriptures, we have cited in the past, indicate and the spirit within that body has returned to the God, then who is it that is screaming and waiting for the day when an angel will be given the key to open this Abyss?

Anyone that has been following this Website in all of the research that Steven has presented knows that we have covered the issue of CERN and what it is attempting to do AND, according to scripture will accomplish. Not only do they plan on opening the door to the Abyss but they hope to crack through the very hard core that God has placed over the Earth. We know that the door will be opened and the King of those held there will return with his demon army. They will have five months in which they are allowed to torment those that do not have God's Mark upon them. Revelation 9:1 (KJV) "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit."

When you read the words "Bottomless Pit" and you see where it really is, you will understand why it is called Bottomless. If the earth were round, it could not be bottomless, could it? Wait until you see just where it is located: it is in the center of the four pillars....down, down, down it goes; it is bottomless.


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And for those that do not believe in a hollow earth; according to the the theory of a Round Earth, no, there is no hell in it's core. You are partially right. Why? The Earth is not a ball with a hollow center. But, what it is shaped as is exactly like scripture defines it. Earth is flat like a plate with boundaries around it that hold the waters of the deep. It is much like a soup bowl with a glass dome over it, which the scriptures have told us; especially in the Book of Job. Along with that, it has the Pillars of the Deep, which is the place of the Abyss which was prepared for Lucifer and his angels. I Sam. 2:8

Pillars of the Deep

Job 37:17 (like a looking glass?) The Sky is spread out and strong


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Isaiah 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the Earth. This is not speaking of a round sphere but the circle that God drew for the shape of the earth (you know, circle shaped like a bowl)

I think we all have believed that Eternal Punishment in Hell was where the unbeliever went upon death. With each passing day, just as the Lord promised that in the End of Days, knowledge would be revealed to us, we are learning that the unbeliever does not face punishment forever but only as long as it takes to burn up the resurrected body that God had said, "Depart from me, I never knew you". It will be consumed in the fire for however long it takes for the body/rubbish to burn up. The gift obtained by receiving Jesus Christ is Eternal Life, which others who follow the way of Satan and his lies, will not enjoy.

Doesn't that bring another question to your mind? It does me. If there has been a Rapture of God's people, then who are those on earth who have His Mark upon them which this "locust" army cannot touch??? I know what the answer will be because I used to give it myself even though it didn't fit scriptures. It was just the pat answer given by those of the Left Behind Series. In other words, "Oh, No, where are my loved ones...they must have gotten raptured...now I will believe in Christ but I must go through a period of Tribulation seven years long." Sound familiar? We used to believe it so hard that we even printed out letters to our loved ones telling them where we went and why they weren't taken but someday we would see them if they accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior. Back in 1988, it drove our children away from us; it seems they had more sense than we did.

Meanwhile, we are here watching events taking place while Hell expands itself as the Bible tells us. Just a couple of weeks ago, the whole earth was enthralled by the Pope coming to America speaking to all the leaders of the world at the United Nations. Can you see why Hell is expanding it's boundaries?

So, we should be open to the fact that there really is a place at the South Pole where the screams of the Fallen Angels, who have been bound up, are screaming for release. When you watch the presentation of the Flat Earth, you will see that the South Pole is seen on both edges of this "Plate" and where is the "Sides of the North" which Satan has said He Will ascend and occupy the throne? It is right in the center of the Earth (Plate..if we are still looking at it as an example).

The Bible tells us that the Earth is His footstool. Isn't that interesting when we think of a round footstool with it's rounded cushion that looks like the Globe which God put over it? That is where Satan wants to ascend and occupy the sides of the North, which leads to the very Throne of the Creator Himself. He still keeps trying even though he know he has no chance but he is determined to take as many as possible with him in his destruction.

And what makes this even more exciting is that we now learn that the Earth does not travel around the Sun but, in fact, the Sun travels around the Earth. The Sun, Moon, Stars, Planets, all have their routes that they must follow. The seasons and weather patterns are determined by God's design just as He has told Enoch, Job, Isaiah and other prophets. These are all things we could never quite comprehend before but, true to God's promise, in these End Days, we are now able to grasp their meaning.

The 4 short discussions within this video will clear up a lot of misunderstanding if we just would take the time to look at it. There have been enemies of God who serve Satan who have spend century after century keeping these truths from us. They want the traveler to think that it takes days and days to travel from one point of the world to the other when it fact, it takes only a fraction of the time. After all, all points are a straight shot when flying because the Earth is Flat. It is the same with the Rapture. It has been taught as a detour to the truth which is that there is only the Resurrection of the Dead AND then the Living who will join them to meet the Lord in the air.

Goodness! Don't you believe that God can take care of you during Great Tribulation and if it is not your destiny, He will give you the Grace to suffer and die for Him just like He gave to the early believers. Perhaps, you will even be granted a peaceful death in a sick-bed.

Why would anybody want to hang on to such False Faith in a Rapture that will not take place. The Feasts of the Lord are about the three Harvests, not a Rapture.

1. The First Fruit Harvest has already taken place when Jesus brought those out of Abraham's Bosom with him.

2. The Next Harvest is the Wheat Harvest of the Living to join the Dead who have been called up at the Resurrection.

3. And the one, you do not want to be a part of is "The Tares" who will be taken out and burned. They are also referred to as the Grapes of Wrath that will be put through the Winepress.

I hope you will take a look at the Flat Earth information so that you can see how much has been learned and taught on this site through all of the research done by Steven. In fact, Steven has posted all of Rob Skiba's information on this issue of the Flat Earth, in which Rob, himself, a skeptic who was determined to prove it was wrong, using the Bible, came to the conclusion it is the Round Earth that is the False Theory. Thank God for people who are determined to find out the truth and not accept something just because it has been taught for years & years.

Flat Earth Answers - Truth Prevails!

This video is broken up into 4 main parts:

Part 1: Divine Creation
Part 2: Controlled Opposition
Part 3: Questions and Answers
Part 4: The Bible

...With plenty of extras in-between!

As always, I try to keep my videos unique but I have to give credit to Jhenningkelloggia, Rob Skiba and anyone else whose models I used in this video (if I didn't mention you let me know, I'm happy to give you a shout out) So enjoy, share and feel free to use whatever material you find on this channel that is of use. God bless!


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Romans 10:9-13

If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

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Gerlinda

They drilled into hell ! WHAT !!! Shocking sounds from beneath the earth

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