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1 Enoch 21:1. And I proceeded to where things were chaotic. 2. And I saw there something horrible: I saw neither a heaven above nor a firmly founded earth, but a place chaotic and horrible. 3. And there I saw seven stars of the heaven bound together in it, like great mountains and burning with fire. 4. Then I said: 'For what sin are they bound, and on what account have they been cast in hither?' 5. Then said Uriel, one of the holy angels, who was with me, and was chief over them, and said: 'Enoch, why dost thou ask, and why art thou eager for the truth? 6. These are of the number of the stars of heaven, which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord, and are bound here till ten thousand years, the time entailed by their sins, are consummated.' 7. And from thence I went to another place, which was still more horrible than the former, and I saw a horrible thing: a great fire there which burnt and blazed, and the place was cleft as far as the abyss, being full of great descending columns of fire: neither its extent or magnitude could I see, nor could I conjecture. 8. Then I said: 'How fearful is the place and how terrible to look upon!' 9. Then Uriel answered me, one of the holy angels who was with me, and said unto me: 'Enoch, why hast thou such fear and affright?' And I answered: 'Because of this fearful place, and because of the spectacle of the pain.' 10. And he said unto me: 'This place is the prison of the angels, and here they will be imprisoned for ever.'

In the Book of Enoch we see that the stars are to follow specific courses and not deviate from them. If they do, they are punished for violating YHWH's commandment concernig their "circuit" in the heavens. Indeed, the stars, like the sun and moon, also have portals through which they are to come and go. Whether or not Job ever read the Book of Enoch, he certainly seemed to have had a similar view:

Job 9:
1 Then Job answered and said,
2 I know it is so of a truth: but how should man be just with God?
3 If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand.
4 He is wise in heart, and mighty in strength: who hath hardened himself against him, and hath prospered?
5 Which removeth the mountains, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger.
6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.
7 Which commandeth the sun, and it riseth not; and sealeth up the stars.
8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.
9 Which maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south.

Something else of interest:

Is the flat/enclosed earth hollow? Yes. Enoch goes into great detail concerning the underworld here:

1 Enoch 22:1. And thence I went to another place, and he showed me in the west another great and high mountain [and] of hard rock. 2 And there was in it four hollow places, deep and wide and very smooth. How smooth are the hollow places and deep and dark to look at.

3. Then Raphael answered, one of the holy angels who was with me, and said unto me: 'These hollow places have been created for this very purpose, that the spirits of the souls of the dead should assemble therein, yea that all the souls of the children of men should assemble here. And these places have been made to receive them till the day of their judgement and till their appointed period till the period appointed, till the great judgement (comes) upon them.'

5. I saw the spirits of the children of men who were dead, and their voice went forth to heaven and made suit. 6. Then I asked Raphael the angel who was with me, and I said unto him: 'This spirit--whose is it whose voice goeth forth and maketh suit?'

7. And he answered me saying: 'This is the spirit which went forth from Abel, whom his brother Cain slew, and he makes his suit against him till his seed is destroyed from the face of the earth, and his seed is annihilated from amongst the seed of men.'8. Then I asked regarding it, and regarding all the hollow places: 'Why as one separated from the other?'

9. And he answered me and said unto me: 'These three have been made that the spirits of the dead might be separated. And such a division has been made 〈for〉 the spirits of the righteous, in which there as the bright spring of water. 10.And such has been made for sinners when they die and are buried in the earth and judgement has not been executed on them in their lifetime. 11. Here their spirits shall be set apart in this great pain till the great day of judgement and punishment and torment of those who †curse† for ever, and retribution for their spirits. There He shall bind them for ever. 12. And such a division has been made for the spirits of those who make their suit, who make disclosures concerning their destruction, when they were slain in the days of the sinners. 13. Such has been made for the spirits of men who were not righteous but sinners, who were complete in transgression, and of the transgressors. they shall be companions: but their spirits shall not be slain in the day of judgement nor shall they be raised from thence. 14. Then I blessed the Lord of glory and said: 'Blessed be my Lord, the Lord of righteousness, who ruleth for ever.'

Did this tale in Enoch set the stage for Yeshua's parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man? Could be. Yeshua's parable certainly would appear to validate this story. Regardless, this shows there is still room for a "hollow earth" in the Flat Earther's enclosed model. The ancient Sumerians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Hebrews and Greeks all had a view of the Underworld being below our feet. They also had a flat earth worldview.

Enoch has a lot more to say concerning the nature of the heavens, earth, sun, moon and stars, but this should suffice for now. Whether or not you accept Enoch as having any merit is irrelevant. At this point, you should be able to tell that just sticking with the Bible alone, the Flat Earthers have a very strong case against our belief in the globe. The Bible goes on and on with similar descriptions as stated above in Enoch. This ancient apocryphal book merely appears to confirm and elaborate on these themes as a contemporary ancient commentary.

CONCLUSIONS

We can't just ignore all of this and say it's just "figures of speech." Some may say this sort of thing is "divisive" but what are you going to do when someone asks you about it? Just tote the company line fed to us by Luciferian, occult organizations like NASA, which was founded by Nazis and Freemasons? Or will you be able to provide a "ready defense" from the Scriptures for why you believe what you believe?

Why is this subject important?

Of course, all that I have written here begs the question of why? Why would someone want to trick us? If we really are on an enclosed, stationary, flat-ish, circular shaped earth, why fool everyone into thinking we are on a spinning globe, freely floating in the vastness of space? What is the purpose? Isn't all of this just a big waste of time?

I do not see this as a waste of time. I actually (now) see this as a critically important topic to be RE-searching and studying. Consider this: The Bible clearly shows a flat-ish, enclosed, stationary earth model, wherein all of the "luminaries" are under a dome, with the earth being the primary focus of everything in the cosmos. Science calls this "primary focus" idea the Anthropic Principle. We are center stage in this scenario and everything appears to be specifically designed for our benefit. The slightest deviation in nearly anything in the cosmos would make life as we know it impossible.

Whereas, brushing the Anthropic Principle off as mere coincidence and chance, the result of beneficial mutation and natural selection giving us this "illusion," in the Godless Big Bang thesis that NASA and monkey man scientists want us to believe in, we are taught that we're just a mutant on a spec of dust in a small solar system orbiting a less than impressive star in an arm of an average, though still massively huge galaxy, floating in a vast space of countless others. In short, we are insignificant, though fortunate mutations of random chance.

Of course, on the flip-side of that argument, the Creationist may contend that the vast diversity of this massive Universe makes us even more significant as they quote the Psalmist:

Psalm 8:
3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? And the son of man, that thou visitest him?

The idea that YHWH would take notice of this tiny spec in such a vast Creation makes us all the more important. I get that. I've argued the same myself. However, the vastness of that model can certainly imply that YHWH may have His eye on countless other "earths" out there too. If so, are we really that "special" or just different? A parent who has many kids loves them all, each perhaps in different ways, for different reasons, but loves them just the same. Yet, if we are all there is (in the realms outside of the spiritual realm of God Himself and those with Him in that place), then we truly are the "apple of His eye" as a unique and singular, special Creation in the physical realm. We are an "only child" in that sense.

Now imagine why Lucifer would want us to not know this. Imagine why he might want to trick us into thinking there are "others" out there. Imagine why he might want us to believe in the idea of Panspermia (to the point of pushing the notion that Ancient Aliens are the ones who seeded our world with the ingredients for Darwinian-style life to evolve). Imagine how easy his job would then be to get us to take our eyes off of our Creator and place them on alternatives. Further, what if he can get us to doubt our Bible. If the Bible can be demonstrated to be untrue and thus unworthy of our trust in it, imagine how easy he could deceive us, built upon 500+ years worth of deceptive indoctrination. If he is "the father of lies," then this would be his masterpiece! But the problem with telling a lie is you have to invent more lies to cover the lies you've told. In order to do that in this scenario, you'd need to have lots and lots of money so that you could keep producing more and more material to support the lie. Well, what do you know? We just so happen to have TRILLIONS of unaccounted for money out there being used for something. This makes as much sense as anything else - if not more so. Unlimited money can provide unlimited "evidence" to support an ever expanding lie, designed to take our eyes off of the one true Creator and place them on any number of alternatives.

Some have wondered and asked me on Facebook why YHWH would then make us think we are on a globe. I would argue, He didn't! He is telling us over and over again that we are not on a globe, but rather that we are on an enclosed, flat-ish plain, under a dome, upon which He is sitting, lovingly looking down on us. He's not the one deceiving us in this scenario. Lucifer and his monkey man scientists and other cronies are.

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Lessons From The Truman Show:

On April 20th, while considering all of the above, I watched The Truman Show again. I then wrote the following as a Facebook Note on April 21st:

The True Man Show?
April 21, 2015 at 4:04pm
OK. So, as many of you are now (painfully) aware, I've been looking into this whole globe vs enclosed earth models issue. Among other things, it is giving the terms "globalism" and "globalist agenda" a whole new meaning. LOL!

Last night, I watched The Truman (read "true man") Show again. WOW! Did it take on a whole lot of new meaning for me. Let's just ASSUME for a minute that the enclosed model is true. If you can start with that premise, while this movie is totally written from Satan's point of view, it is quite eye-opening.



Why do I say that it is from Satan's point of view? Because Act 1 of the movie ends when a "light" falls from the sky labeled, "Sirius." Too much to go into on that, but it is a representation of Lucifer (light bearer) falling as Sirius, which is a star in Canis Major. The number "9" is depicted on the label of the light, which is also quite telling. But that's another story too. Suffice it to say, the film makers new EXACTLY what they were depicting with that scene. As a side note, it puts "SiriusXM Satellite Radio" into an interesting "light" too. ;) Anyway...



The people watching the show are the angels. The woman Truman never gets to be with is Satan. She is against the CHRISToff character, who is the "Creator of the dome" world Truman lives in. Now, watch the Christoff character. He clearly loves (though tests) Truman, watching every detail of his life from his mother's womb even. Thousands of cameras track his every move, thus Truman is in a confined though carefully cared for environment. People in Christoff's studio are even wearing shirts that say "LOVE HIM. PROTECT HIM." On the surface, it seems Christoff is being very mean to put Truman through the storm at the end of the movie, until you realize he never lets it go too far (not giving more than Truman can handle) and is only doing this to get Truman to "turn back" from a destiny that can only hurt him. But in the end, Truman chooses to step out of that loving and protected environment into what is literally depicted as "outer darkness" outside the dome. He steps out of the brightly lit realm into a door of total blackness, turning his back on his "creator."

As a side note, also of interest, is the scene where Truman is looking in the mirror. He draws an astronaut helmet around his head with soap. Then draws a flag and states "This is TRUEmania" referencing also the name Burbank. Implication? The moon landing was shot in Burbank. LOL! Nice touch.



Pay close attention to the significance of the numbers on his sailboat: "139" and how it is depicted during the storm. Then, read Psalm 139. The writers really did their homework on this one. It was a BRILLIANT scene in light of this Psalm.



Overall, it is great movie, but with a wrong conclusion concerning Truman choosing to leave the careful love and protection of CHRISToff (and Moses actually too) in favor of stepping into outer darkness. Of course in a real world scenario, it makes sense that we would want to see Truman set free from his captivity, but that's the real trick of the movie. It generates sympathy for the Devil and his perspective, while attempting to paint YHWH as the bad guy. YET, the "creator" is never really depicted that way in the movie. In fact, the film makers actually go out of their way to show just how much Christoff really does love and care for Truman.

Just read Psalm 139 again. I really do have to wonder what perspective the writers/film makers had. Because if they took enough time to look this up and make a point of including it on the sailboat that gave Truman his free will AND the warning to try and get him to turn back (repent), it may be that they pulled a fast one on the audience. I don't know. What has the appearance of a "good ending" leading us all to cheer for Truman, means the joke is on us if we missed the "signs" given all along the way. Consider...

Psalm 139:
1 O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
2 You know my sitting down and my rising up;You understand my thought afar off.
3 You comprehend my path and my lying down,And are acquainted with all my ways.
4 For there is not a word on my tongue,But behold, O Lord, You know it altogether.
5 You have hedged me behind and before,And laid Your hand upon me.
6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me;It is high, I cannot attain it.
7 Where can I go from Your Spirit?Or where can I flee from Your presence?
8 If I ascend into heaven, You are there;If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.
9 If I take the wings of the morning,And dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea,
10 Even there Your hand shall lead me,And Your right hand shall hold me.
11 If I say, “Surely the darkness shall fall on me,”Even the night shall be light about me;
12 Indeed, the darkness shall not hide from You,But the night shines as the day;The darkness and the light are both alike to You.

That last line is quite interesting too, because Truman goes missing at night. So, Christoff causes the sun to come up way early, thus causing the "night to shine as day" in that scene.

13 For You formed my inward parts;You covered me in my mother’s womb.
14 I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made;Marvelous are Your works,And that my soul knows very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from You,When I was made in secret,And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed.And in Your book they all were written,The days fashioned for me,When as yet there were none of them.
17 How precious also are Your thoughts to me, O God!How great is the sum of them!
18 If I should count them, they would be more in number than the sand;When I awake, I am still with You.
19 Oh, that You would slay the wicked, O God!Depart from me, therefore, you bloodthirsty men.
20 For they speak against You wickedly;Your enemies take Your name in vain.
21 Do I not hate them, O Lord, who hate You?And do I not loathe those who rise up against You?
22 I hate them with perfect hatred;I count them my enemies.
23 Search me, O God, and know my heart;Try me, and know my anxieties;
24 And see if there is any wicked way in me,And lead me in the way everlasting.

The end of the movie shows Truman turning his back on the "way everlasting" choosing instead the darkness. So, the movie actually has a sad ending not a good one.

This is brilliant thought-provoking film making at its best in my opinion. BOTH sides of the story are fairly well presented, with the "true man" caught in the middle, but when you realize you are cheering for the wrong conclusion, it really gives you pause to think.

Lucifer is constantly trying to get us to see things his way and to draw our love and attention away from YHWH. The spinning globe may be his masterpiece deception, designed to get us to do just that.

Again, I am only bringing this stuff up, because as I've said, I am on a quest for truth. And I need the Bible to be my source for that truth. Right now, the Bible, Enoch and the literature of many ancient cultures, who were far more advanced than we are today, are all conflicting with my own beliefs. Therefore, I am going to continue to dig, in order to "test all things" as we all should. Sadly though, too many Christians really don't know their Bible. They don't care about truth. They'd rather continue on with the many "traditions of men" and ignore Scripture and crucify those who think otherwise. And those of you who insist on being the "thought police," attempting to control or stifle this discussion are only contributing to the many problems plaguing the Christian Church today. For one thing, you make it nearly impossible for anyone - in or out of the Church - to approach you with legitimate questions that deserve answers - and preferably answers from the Scriptures. That is not a good thing. I for one am glad this subject is on the table for discussion.

In conclusion, there is not a doubt in my mind that both the Bible and the Book of Enoch absolutely argue in favor of a still, flat, enclosed earth. OK. So, now I have a big problem. Because on the one hand, you have all heard me say that…

A) I believe the Bible is true
B) I believe the Bible is written in 5th Grade reading level English. It only takes a theologian (or some other know-it-all with expensive pieces of paper hanging on their “I love me walls” to make it say something other than what a child could discern from the plain text.
C) I am on a quest for truth and I don’t care where that leads me. I just want to know.


Yet, in spite of those 3 bullet points, I still believe the earth is round - even though the ancient record is nearly unanimous in its effort to tell me otherwise. So, at this point, I’m really left with more questions than answers, feeling like quite the hypocrite. Or better yet, maybe I am like Thomas. He wanted to believe the "words" but he needed to see the physical evidence. And you know what? I am OK with that. Because Yeshua met poor "doubting Thomas" where he was. To my own shame perhaps, I will take comfort in his story.

John 20:
24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

There are a number of things currently keeping me from fully embracing what I so clearly see from the Scriptures and testimony of Enoch:

The Coriolis Effect
Lunar eclipses
Comets, meteors and impact craters on the moon and other stellar bodies
The Northern Lights
I still believe there are manmade satellites up there, providing us with GPS, weather reports, radio and television signals
Southern hemisphere travel from places like South Africa to Australia seem problematic in the circular, flat earth model
The inconclusiveness of claims concerning the curvature of the earth
I may never get the answers to these (and others that I have), but there is a simple test I know I can can perform, which will "seal the deal" for me, even if I can't resolve all of the others. Point #7 above is something I can test for myself. Therefore, sometime in the next few months, I intend to perform a test of the curvature of the earth. If we really are on a ball, whether it is spinning or not, the curvature has been determined by smarter men than me to be at about 8" per mile. Therefore, I intend to go out to a flat plain area of land or calm water, measure out a distance which should be far enough for an object placed on the ground at one end to be at least 40ft below the (alleged) curvature of the horizon and thus not visible from the other end. I will measure and document the whole thing, and then look through the eye-piece of a camera mounted with a powerful zoom lens. If I can see the object, then I will know the curvature is a myth. This seems to be a simple enough test that any of us can perform. I'll let the smarter folks deal with the other issues. As far as I'm concerned, if the results of testing point #7 reveal the earth to be flat, it will be like putting my fingers in the holes. Even though I doubted the written word, I am confident that my Lord and (patient, loving) Savior will still meet me where I am and bless me for even daring to go on this quest for truth in the first place - in spite of all the ridicule and mocking that continues as a result of simply wanting to take the Bible seriously and believe what it says.

Staying on the quest for truth,

- Rob Skiba

http://www.seedtheseries.com/blog/BibleEarth.html

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