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Those Days of Great Tribulation are Probably not what you Think

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Posted: 23 Mar 2015 10:41 PM PDT

During the last week or so, Aaron and I have been getting closure on many things that have great import. The Lord is being so kind in keeping us grounded, a necessary provision for keeping it real in a season that would otherwise seem quite surreal. You may be able to relate to an observation I expressed in a recent email about this intense season, that it's, almost like we're supernatural schizophrenics - bi-polar in the Lord because the contrasting emotions are strong - but yet with a sound mind and steadfast awareness of the Lord's comforting presence. There is, on one hand, a lightness and jubilation with a deep refreshing brought by the Lord, while alternately there is the feeling the Lord Himself also shares of the profound burdens for those on the other side of judgment. This breadth and depth of emotional connectness is a requirement for the work.

What I'm about to share in this post isn't going to be readily grasped by most folks. It should raise more questions than it answers. In the previous post, I introduced some insight about a time metaphor that was collateral to a key revelation insight about Matthew 24:22 that was granted a week ago yesterday. Through it, the Lord brought Aaron and I to a deeper understanding of the days that lie ahead. I've declared how The Open Scroll and Beyond The Veil is a Noah's Ark kind of work, appointed for salvation, and that comparison is more descriptive than you might suppose. While some have testified how it has already brought them to salvation in Y'shua, the core of the work is appointed for a very special season that is nearly upon us.

For several days in a row, Aaron had been obsessing over Matthew 24:22. He had been pressing in to discover why the Lord had fixated him on that, coming to the Lord's clear prompting of the question, “What days?”


21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22 Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. ~ Matthew 24:21-22

We didn't know where this was going to go but we have learned that the Lord always prompts a question He intends to answer, then provides insight at the proper time. He has been engaging Aaron and I as a team, independently first, then together - a routine that is not at all unfamiliar. Clearly, we were missing something important.

On March 15th, we reflected on an email exchange with a brother in the Lord named Paul, had some prayer and a season of discussion. The time had come. The Lord brought us to the short answer to the driving question: The days that will be cut short are those when the Devil has control over time. This conclusion brought some startling insight about the hidden meaning of verse 21's “great tribulation,” megas thlipsis in the Greek.

We began to explore the immediate context of Matthew 24 with this in mind and then tracked the thread into related passages as the Lord shined the brighter Light. I can't say that this insight has invalidated everything we thought we knew about great tribulation, but this fresh insight and the validation that has followed is so compelling we find it irresistible.

While some declare that seven years are identified with great tribulation, and others, half that, there is a reality where it will only last for about a week. Bear with me, there's a lot of ground to be covered on this point.

That week is this upcoming Feast of Pesah, also known as Hag haMatzot. This version or fulfillment of megas thlipsis will conclude on the last day, which is now known to be April 11, 2015. In a wider sense, the 9 days inclusive of the 13th to the 21st might even be considered megas thlipsis.

This span is measured according to one particular referencial system. If you consider what I noted in the previous post about Daniel 12:5-7, this measure is from the perspective of someone on one bank of the river of time. From another perspective and dimensional consideration, time itself will be in flux, disconnected and non-linear, until it is anchored once again and synchronized to the time-space domain on the other side of the river of time, so to speak.

The Dragon is going to have control over time and be permitted to make some changes within appointed limits but not everyone and everything will be impacted and under his control. The Sovereign God's domain is exempt, of course, and those whom He has isolated and insulated, who are sealed as in a time-space bubble, an ark of salvation.

This is food served at the proper time. We've been blogging about an upcoming time mission for years. We recently saw it in connection with the last day of this coming Pesah, and now the Lord has shined a greater light on its context.

A simple illustration is provided by a classic film from 1960, The Time Machine.

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It's presented here as the man in the time machine traveling into the future. The principle involved is that a time-space referential system is separated from another when there is flux, a time differential, then they are rejoined with a potentially out of sync condition.

I could go on for months detailing and documenting these things, but there are only a couple weeks remaining so I won't be doing that - at least not on the blog or in this body as things are today. So, explore these things further, or not, as led. If it's for you, the Lord will open it to you and shine His spotlight. The Lord has diverse plans for the members of His Body, which at present includes His Bride people. All you personally need to get and give is just what He has for you, as an individual member. I note how some with Dr. Stephen Jones (author of Secrets of Time in Prophecy) have been planning for a well timed mission: Decree to Commission the Overcomers for Coronation (March 21, 2015). “Heavenly Father, at Your direction we DECREE the commissioning of Your Saints for their formal coronation in the United Kingdom of God at Passover 2015. ” We don't need to have an overview of everything the Lord is doing. We just need to mind our own business, whatever it happens to be, seeking the Lord's help to be attentive and faithful to the tasks at hand. We servants can trust that our Master has things well in hand.

What's about to manifest is a time war - turf war, where heavenly time-space domains are at stake. You fight fire with fire, as the expression goes, and you fight time with time. I know it sounds crazy, but this is what it looks like to Aaron and I, and we can't deny that what the Lord has been doing in this season makes it quite compelling.

Since 2008, I've written about a pending anti-flood, describing the Adversary's avenging of his fallen angels with a prison break. He has to spring the time lock with a dam buster, releasing the reservoir of water-time to flood this realm.

That can't come without the agent for such first getting hold of the key to unlock the abyss. Apollyon-Abaddon-Shiva-Horus is appointed as the Dragon's agent. He will succeed but only in part. See him as the sovereign God's agent, a servant with a mission, and also see time itself as a servant construct. The Lord God I serve is the Lord and master of time, and it is His will that is ultimately being fulfilled in all this. As inconceivable as a time mission might seem, the Lord has chosen to involve human agents in His plan. It's not really very different from what happened in Joshua's long day.


12 Then Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, “O sun, stand still at Gibeon, and O moon in the valley of Aijalon.” 13 So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies. Is it not written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. 14 There was no day like that before it or after it, when the Lord listened to the voice of a man; for the Lord fought for Israel. ~ Joshua 10:12-14

Where else have we seen such a reference to the uniqeness of a situation with time manipulation in a war?


21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22 Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. ~ Matthew 24:21-22

Have you read Jasher 6 and Genesis 7? When Noah went in the ark the Lord sealed it shut. Those inside were protected. Seven days later, the waters of a great flood brought destruction to those outside the ark. See the water as time. Those sealed inside were saved. Ruminate on that model. They were sealed inside a time-space ark. Compare the context of Jasher 6:18 to that of Luke 13:25.

Here's two more examples, primary models involving the first Pesah.


28 By faith he kept the Passover and the sprinkling of the blood, so that he who destroyed the firstborn would not touch them. 29 By faith they passed through the Red Sea as though they were passing through dry land; and the Egyptians, when they attempted it, were drowned. ~ Hebrews 11:28-29

Passover = pass over, the agent of destruction passes over the protected zone of people without touching those sealed in with the blood of the lamb. The blood on the doorpost and lintel sealed in the occupants during the plague of the firstborn. That kind of plague indicates a selection by sequence, by time - the firstborn, and a limit is established according to sequence and time. The water as time metaphor is seen in the passing through of the sealed and healed people on dry land through the midst of the sea. Waters stood in a heap as on the banks of a river, inverted. The wind was involved, spirit, and also the agency of Moses. Passing through time, which subsequently destroyed the pursuing army.

Time wars - We're not making this stuff up! The people were sealed in with the blood applied on the 14th day of the first month. The firstborn were struck and the midnight cry went up on the 15th day. It is accepted that the crossing through the sea came with its salvation-destruction on the last day of the feast, the day with the numbering of the fullness of time, the 21st.

The passage from Hebrews 11 continues with another model, which begins shortly after the circumcision and first Pesah celebrated in the promised land.


By faith the walls of Jericho fell down after they had been encircled for seven days. ~ Hebrews 11:30

At the shouting and blowing of trumpets the walls fell flat. 1 Thessalonians 4 and 1 Corinthians 15 should come to mind.

Now, consider the word translated tribulation in Matthew 24:21.

Strongs Concordance G2347: “thlípsis” – properly, pressure (what constricts or rubs together), used of a narrow place that "hems someone in"; tribulation, especially internal pressure that causes someone to feel confined (restricted, "without options").

Thlipsis is used of a narrow place that hems someone in. Take it literally. Hemmed in a narrow place, as having passed through the narrow gate into a confined place of protection - sealed in like an ark.


22 And He was passing through from one city and village to another, teaching, and proceeding on His way to Jerusalem. 23 And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?” And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, ‘Lord, open up to us!’ then He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from.’ 26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets’; 27 and He will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from; depart from Me, all you evildoers.’ 28 In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out. 29 And they will come from east and west and from north and south, and will recline at the table in the kingdom of God. 30 And behold, some are last who will be first and some are first who will be last.” ~ Luke 13:22-30

Within a couple weeks, we believe most will fall prey to a great hoax, not having received the love of the truth so as to be saved. Others, found trustworthy and therefore not needing to be written to about times and epochs, will not be taken by surprise. They will be sealed in, protected during megas thlipsis as having entered through the narrow door. I had previously concluded that the saints with soiled robes would find themselves locked out when the Bride is stolen away, but we see now that her separation comes earlier, when the living are sealed as in an ark. Some will die, as a blood sacrifice, martyred, but some will live and enter “The Time Machine,” in a sense, a pocket universe, a time-space ark. I have much more to convey about this.

The Lord drew my attention several years ago to a time pivot in the language of the passage in Matthew 24, and that led to Aaron's revelation insight when we met and discussed verse 22 in July-August of 2011. His attention was drawn to the word "sake," which is translated from the Greek preposition dia. What it really informs us about is the Lord's working through the agency of the elect so that all life or flesh will not be destroyed, but rather saved. How could that possibly be? Because a time war is that big of a threat.

Consider the time pivot, how the tense swings from before the fulcrum event to after it, then returns back again. It signals a time shift.


21 for there shall be then great tribulation, such as was not from the beginning of the world till now [the PAST], no, nor may be [the FUTURE]. 22 And if those days were not shortened, no flesh would have been saved [now looking back from the future into the past]; but because of the chosen, shall those days be shortened.[now looking ahead to the event]~ Matthew 24:21-22 (YLT)

The time shift is appointed for salvation, and the Lord involves His elect in this time war. The period of megas thlipsis, when Satan has control over time, will be truncated, specifically limited. The Bride together with 144k sons of Israel will be in a protected zone or zones. You might think I'm making this up, scripting a fanciful sci-fi adventure but I'm quite serious. There's scriptures that picture this in prophetic allegory, and it's been modeled over and over in literature and in multimedia presentations. Some will be sealed in a time machine of sorts, in a protective bubble, around which will flow the destroying influence of the time warp.

The following passage about the one who will be a star in the big show doesn't say that he will intend to make alterations in the measurement of times. There's a difference. He will be granted success.


25 He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. 26 But the court will sit for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever. 27 Then the sovereignty, the dominion and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One; His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all the dominions will serve and obey Him.’ 28 “At this point the revelation ended. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts were greatly alarming me and my face grew pale, but I kept the matter to myself.” ~ Daniel 7:25-27

There's the linguistic construct of “time, times and half a time” again, like in Daniel 12:7 and Revelation 12:14. Remember, the expression, “time, times and half a time” literally refers to time, multiplied time and fractional time. It's actually a cryptic description of a wormhole!

More to follow, Lord willing!

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Re: Those Days of Great Tribulation are Probably not what you Think

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I know this is a lengthy, hard to understand article. I've read it a couple of times now and have an understanding come to me that we have thought about "Great Tribulation" in the wrong sense and only, now that we live in this End of Days Age, when "Time Manipulation and Wormholes" are a reality, do I began to make sense of it.

This huge manipulation machine is CERN. Keep that in mind as you read this.

Please look at these three paragraphs from the above article and reconsider this fact that the Great Tribulation spoken of here is much shorter than we have thought and it also deals with ending Satan's time lest there be no man left alive. See if scripture that speaks about, "You Shall Have Great Tribulation for Ten Days." begins to become more clear.

Let me add another scripture that has intrigued me for years that tells me the righteous are taken to save him from the evil to come.

Isaiah 57:1-2 The righteous perish, and no one takes it to heart; the devout are taken away, and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared. ... to be spared from evil to come."

Rather than thinking of the Rapture like we have for so long, how about taking these deeper understandings of Time Manipulation and God's ability to gather up the His Elect and safely encase them all in a separate place (not up in Heaven as we've been taught) but into His Time Space, where they will rest in safety while He deals with the Devil and his minions during those Ten Days of Great Tribulation. Because we know that the Hebrew word for perish (ovad) means a change, not a bloody death, it makes one consider how He would encase His Own into a Chamber until those 10 days are over.

I hope some will consider this.

Gerlinda


21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22 Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. ~ Matthew 24:21-22

The days that will be cut short are those when the Devil has control over time. This conclusion brought some startling insight about the hidden meaning of verse 21's “great tribulation,” megas thlipsis in the Greek.

There's the linguistic construct of “time, times and half a time” again, like in Daniel 12:7 and Revelation 12:14. Remember, the expression, “time, times and half a time” literally refers to time, multiplied time and fractional time. It's actually a cryptic description of a wormhole!