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WE STARTED OUT BELIEVING IN A 7 YR PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE
BUT FOUND OVER TIME AROUND 2006 THAT THE BIBLE DOES NOT SHARE A
BIBLE VERSE WHATSOEVER INDICATING A 7 YR PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE

BIBLE VERSES EVIDENCE:

While Yahusha/JESUS was alive, He prayed to His Father: "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. John 17:15 (KJV)

Yahusha/JESUS gave signs of what must happen before His Return: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:" Matt. 24:29 (KJV)

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Yahusha is I Am That I Am (Exodus 3:14)

Yahusha is YHWH come in the flesh, He put aside His Diety to become a human, born of a Virgin.

Yahusha is the Word, As The Most High, He spoke all things seen and unseen into existence

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John 14:26
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God is not His Name but a term. The Holy Spirit is not a person but the very Breath of the Father.

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REFERENCES IN THE BOOK OF ENOCH TO THE BIBLE

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Book of Enoch: http://tinyurl.com/BkOfEnoch

The book of Second Peter and Jude Authenticate the book of Enoch and Vice Versa

Yahusha/JESUS QUOTED FROM THE SEPTUAGINT:

THE APOSTLES QUOTED FROM THE SEPTUAGINT

JEWS WERE CONVERTING TO CHRISTIANITY

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Steven

Sep 7, 2014 - 11:24PM

Re: Why do you even bother, Bob?

SEVERAL ARTICLES WERE POSTED BY JOVIAL ON SUNDAY SEPTEMBER 7 2014

EASILY DISCREDITING 'pastor' bob...

'pastor' bob must not fear God since he continues to attack this site along with Charles Holler on Five Doves spouting off false witnessing......incase they forgot that is one of the commandments....not to bear false witness......

YOU DO KNOW WHO THE ACCUSER OF THE BRETHREN IS RIGHT?

All because why?

Let's see pastor bob believe in a false 7 year pre tribulation rapture lie that was created by the Jesuits using false authors etc to 'con' the protestant church.

Do your homework and find out for yourself. Is there a 7 YEAR PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE? ( WATCH THE VIDEOS BELOW FOR THE SCRIPTURAL ANSWER )

Charles Holler continues to attack this site calling the moderator arrogant I will not get into mud slinging but only will say God knows all and the truth will be revealed at the throne of God ....so if you want to continue to slander and bear false witness against the moderator of this site and attack this site that only wants to share the TRUTH of JESUS CHRIST with everyone...then let the LORD judge.....

God Bless

Steven

It wasn't until the early or mid 1800's that there was any significant group of believers around the world that looked for a "rapture" of the Church prior to a seven-year tribulation period. The "secret rapture" teaching was NOT taught by the early Church, it was NOT taught by the Church of the first centuries, it was NOT taught by the Reformers, IT WAS NOT TAUGHT BY ANYONE (except a couple Roman Catholic theologians) UNTIL ABOUT THE YEAR 1830!

The Roman Catholic Church had to come up with a view of prophecy to counter the Historic view of prophecy that the Reformers had used to identify the Church of Rome as the 'little horn' and the Harlot of Revelation 17. This new scheme of prophetic interpretation became known as FUTURISM.... It was a Jesuit priest named Ribera who, in the days of the Reformation, first taught that all the events in the book of Revelation were to take place literally during the three and a half years reign of the Antichrist away down at the end of the age. Later, Emmanuel Lacunza, also a Jesuit priest, built on Ribera's teachings, and spent much of his life writing a book titled "The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty." Lacunza, however, wrote under the assumed name of "Rabbi Ben Ezra," supposedly a learned Jew who had accepted Christ as his Saviour; he did this so that the unsuspecting Protestants would accept his book; for the Protestant world then wanted nothing from a Jesuit. His book was published in 1812.

Now enter the name of Edward Irving. Born in Scotland in 1792, Irving discovered Lacunza's book and fell in love with it, translated it into English, and it was published in London in 1827. Then Irving began to hold Bible Conferences throughout Scotland, emphasizing the coming of Jesus to rapture His Church. Later, J.N. Darby then was introduced to the "secret rapture" doctrine by the Irvinites (Followers of Edward Irvin), as well as the famous book by Rabbi Ben-Ezra [Jesuit priest Emmanuel Lacunza]!

Darby was himself a prolific writer and from that time a constant stream of propaganda came from his pen. His writings on biblical subjects number over 30 volumes of 600 pages each. Darby developed and organized "futurism" into a system of prophetic teaching called "dispensationalism." The Secret Rapture teaching was introduced into the United States and Canada between the 1840's and 1870's.

A Congregationalist preacher by the name of C. I. Scofield came under the influence of Darby and the Plymouth Brethren. Scofield became a strong promoter of the teaching that had been promulgated by Darby, whom he considered "the most profound Bible student of modern times." He incorporated this teaching into his SCOFIELD REFERENCE BIBLE. Three million copies were published in the first 50 years! Through this Bible Scofield shrewdly carried the teaching of the Secret Rapture into the very heart of Evangelicalism.

There is one final link in the chain of the development and spread of the rapture theory that should be mentioned in passing. Scofield and Darby influenced D. L. Moody, and Moody influenced the early PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT. How? you ask. The Assemblies of God is today by far the largest Pentecostal denomination in the world. In 1914 they ordered their Sunday School and study materials from the Moody Press. So the Assemblies of God believed what the Moody Bible Institute taught, which included the "Secret Rapture".

VIDEO I AND II

THE RAPTURE - Part II

WEEKEND SHOCKCAST: The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie

I really wish that the Pre-Tribulation Rapture wasn’t a Lie. I really do. I wish that we didn’t have to go through three and a half years of extreme persecution. I wish that being a Christian meant that life was a serene experience of clear skies and smooth sailing.

Unfortunately, those of us who wish to live holy and righteous lives in Christ, WILL suffer persecution (2 Tim 3:12). When Paul wrote that to Timothy, he wasn’t thinking of the persecution that you and I have experienced – frowns, disapproval and lost jobs. No, he was referring to the persecution that Christians are experiencing right now in the Arab world – such as with ISIS and Boko Haram.

"Pastor" Bob discredited by Jovial in letter to Five Doves....!

In all fairness to keep the article in context to Jovial letter here is the link

Link: http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/sep2014/jovial97-2.htm

Here is a portion of the Jovial letter below:

Jovial wrote:

The article at http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2014/pastorbob831-7.htm did the reverse of what is scholarly. It said;

•He "majored in church history, in seminary", as if to set himself up as an expert on church history. That is, it is an attempt to convey the though "trust me, I'm an expert".
•Made at least 11 allegations about church history that I easily disproved in the above simply by quoting what his alleged sources actually said and showing that those sources say the opposite of what he claimed.

That is WAY TOO MANY MISTAKES for someone who allegedly "majored in church history" and wants to use that as credibility and there is a serious problem here. First off, you destroy your own credibility for thoroughness when you make unsupportable claims that cannot be backed up by the sources you are claiming. But when you make claims that are the OPPOSITE of the sources you cite, as was done in many cases in the above, you destroy your credibility on more than just thoroughness, but on reliability as well. Who is going to take someone's word as an expert when their sources say the OPPOSITE of what they claim?

Some people read from history to try to learn from it. I have read everything the early Church Pioneers wrote from at least prior to Jerome because I wanted to understand how they think. Other people simply try to USE history to PROVE their agenda with no real regard to trying to understand how someone different from them thinks differently.

Also, the article at http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2014/pastorbob831-7.htm does the opposite of what I try to do. My goal is not to get you to agree with me. I am more concerned about the logic behind what I post than the conclusions. It is one of the reasons I sometimes argue both sides of an issue, and present a case for and against the same issue. I have even at times posted counter arguments I did not agree with in response to what other people have posted just because I felt like both sides of the issue should be examined. I am more concerned about you learning to THINK DEEPLY about a matter and THINK IT THROUGH and use PROPER LOGIC than whether you agree with me. I really believe that if we all learn to THOROUGHLY RESEARCH what we believe, the Church will come to unity on doctrine far faster than if we use underhanded approaches to promote a position, like trying to falsify Church history to get everyone to believe something that is not true.

Now when you demonstrate to someone that what they said was wrong, a scholarly person will stop making the false claim. But when people try to USE history to promote their personal agenda, it is not uncommon for them to continue to make the same claims over and over again. You can show someone a Hebrew text of Macabees, and they will still claim there is no Hebrew manuscript of Macabees when their doctrine is their god, and all facts must bow to the god of doctrine. You can quote where Origen quoted from the Apocrypha, will they still continue to say he spoke out against the Apocrypha when people are of the opinion that all facts must bow to the god of doctrine and it is OK to say ANYTHING, as long as it promotes the doctrines you want people to believe.

Some of these claims are also found at http://www.truthnet.org/Bible-Origins/6_The_Apocrypha_The_Septugint/ , which Pastor Bob apparently copied from somewhere, but without giving the source, giving me the impression he wrote it himself. That web site appears to have plagarized the arguments from page 7 of Basic Theology By Dag Heward-Mills.

Pastor Bob did not deliniate where the text he took from this URL and what he added himself begins and ends. When you plagarize something, and don't read what you plagarized and don't research whether it is true or not, well, you destroy your credibility on numerous levels.

Shalom,

Joe[/url]

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Sep 7th, 2014 - 11:24 PM

Gerlinda

Jun 27, 2015 - 10:06AM

Re: Why do you even bother, Bob?

Again, I say, "Why do you even bother, Bob?

Gerlinda

Jul 4, 2015 - 6:34PM

Re: Why do you even bother, Bob?

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