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Pastor Bob (7 Sep 2014)
""All Roads Lead to Rome -4""

BOB,


If the RaptureBibleProphecyForum is such a dis-information site, WHY DO YOU EVEN BOTHER VISITING IT. ISN'T IT BENEATH YOUR DIGNITY?

1. The Apocrypha were in your King James Version before the 1611 version removed it
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2. Still Scratching my head by your accusations of being a "Jesuit Coadjutor" when it is the opposite. As former Catholics; which, most of us were, we despise what the Vatican & their Jesuit are doing. I bet you have a degree in Psychology too..

3. I imagine you do know what the fourth Commandment, written by the very finger of God tells us? It is a desire to keep His Commandments that cause us to bring the Sabbath up as the day God designated for the people. Those that keep Sun-day are disobeying His commandment, which to my knowledge, never was rescinded. It was the degree by Constantine to keep Sun-Day, his Sun god's day set aside for him, as the official day of worship and so it remains to this day. We remember the Fourth Commandment as written not as rewritten by Rome.

4. Along with following the day set aside for their Sun god, most main-line denominations keep the pagan holidays of Christmas and Easter although there is no Biblical reason for taking part in such pagan holidays. Why don't you ever address your own faults...very serious ones too, according to Jeremiah & others?

5. You do know that there was a breaking away by a group of SDA from Ellen G. White original organization because they saw through the very things you accuse them ALL as still believing, right? Did it ever occur to you that this just might be the cause? Did it ever occur to you "Babbling Bob" that you may be wrong about the Rapture, keeping Sun-Day, the pagan holidays. Do you see how your name calling, when it is brought back to you, is not very nice at all, is it? As it has been told to you, you lose your credibility when you stoop to such tactics.

6. Jovial has given you excellent reason why you are wrong on your teachings in regard to the King James and "Septuagint vs. Masoretic - Hebrew Masoretic is a corrupted Old Testament Canon". He is a real student of these things. I hope you take his letter very seriously. He also pointed out to you how, your method of teaching is taking away from your own credibility.

7. The so called "idiotic" The Bride of Christ is not the Church" is full of scripture which can be found on the on-line book, "The End Time Passover", which I clearly said is posted on the Forum.. All you need to do is read it and you will get your evidence. I did not post them all because I only wrote up a short summary of what was being said with the advice to do your own diligence of reading the book by Joe Ortiz. Apparently, you did not do that. He also presents much more than just the two scriptures that I alluded to on the subject of "The Bride of Christ is not the Church". Bob, before you comment on these things, why don't you take some time off from your writings and read it for yourself. That is all this forum has ever asked, Read, watch and search the scriptures before posting a comment. Yes, all of the scriptures that Joe Ortiz gives as evidence changes long held teachings to the Church, which has been mis-leading all of these years. I read all of this carefully and continue to study the evidence. YOU OWE THAT FINE MAN A BIG APOLOGY. Name calling seems to be one of your biggest fault. A fine teacher NEVER stoops to such tactics. You are quickly losing respect.

8. Now anyone with your education ought to be able to figure out that other news is posted for the many that read the Forum who are not as educated as you. By posting these things, they may just find other articles that will deepen their understanding of the Bible. There is a huge variety of people that visit the RaptureBibleProphecyForum Face Book, which covers a variety of stories taken from the forum and visa versa.

9. Drumming the same old tune is done for those that need to have it said over and over again...you know the method of teaching that is used. Repeat, repeat and more repeat. It is like giving a speech, you speak as if you are speaking to the person that is sitting all the way in the back. That way, everyone ought to be able to hear. The same principal is applied in repeating what is believed by the Forum as if it is being read for the first time by a new reader. The evidence of what the Forum believes is found in the very lessons that are being taught. That is where you will find your evidence.

10. Lastly, If you have read the disclaimers, you will notice that much is posted which we do not necessarily believe. It is up to the reader to glean and discern. That is another skill that is learned by using it.

So, Bob, why not stop your name calling, referring to this site as a PreWrathRaptureBabble site and putting down various authors and just teach what it is you think you have to teach. Did it ever even occur to you that you could learn something despite all of your past education. Perhaps your education is the very thing that is standing in the way of the End Time Generation Knowledge that is promised to be given has been shut up for so long?

Gerlinda

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All Doves:

The three major cults of the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and the Seventh Day Adventists were ALL founded by Freemasons, and funded with Freemason financial backing and guidance, for one purpose only - to undermine and destroy orthodox Protestant Bible faith that came out of the Reformation of October 31, 1517. I state this in order that the Low Information folks can get up to speed here. This series of posts will answer lots of your questions about the world around us.

If you haven't read Part 1 of this series of posts, I recommend you go back and read Part 1, and save it to your hard drive, because your personal destiny may depend on being an informed Christian. Hosea 4:6 said, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge." While this specific passage was addressed first to the Jews, it has prophetic value and implications for the rest of the Christian world.

Everything that the world has experienced since October 31, 1517, directly or indirectly, has been a part of the larger global effort to restore Rome to its ancient Pagan Power. In this series I will provide a running bibliography that will confirm, validate, and provide additional information related to anyone having an interest in what I am sharing in this series. A significant number of the books listed at the bottom of this post actually can be read on line at no cost to the reader. With each segment of this series, I will repeat the list by adding book authors/titles as they are recalled from my memory. This is a topic so large that it took me years to assemble all the important elements that make up the big picture.

Not only were the three named major cults founded by Freemasonry, and funded by Freemasonry, they have been infiltrated by Masonic Jesuit agents. The speculative branch of Freemasons [non-craft masons] date their origin to 1717 with the establishment of the Grand Orient Lodge of London and Westminster. The Jesuits were founded in 1534, almost 200 years before the Jesuits. The Jesuits have been the major players in virtually all world events. The evidence has been accumulating by historians and researchers that show the Jesuits were instrumental in the creating a New Greek text as the basis of toppling the King James Bible.

I certainly do not hate Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, or even Roman Catholics. Rather, to the contrary. But what I do despise is the Satanic Luciferians behind the religious systems that have been infiltrated, deceived, and corrupted the thinking and belief systems of countless millions. This is just as true for other denominations as well, including the United Methodists, Baptists, and Presbyterians that have been deceived and manipulated by the forces of Lucifer that have infiltrated all denominations.

This single culminating event that brought together all the various elements that precede the current growing One-World-Order was the 1782 Congress of Wilhelmsbad; which brought together the various secret societies and factions that controlled European power, wealth, privilege and prestige for It included the Illuminati, Freemasons, Jesuits, and specifically, Amschel Rothschild, Adam Weishaupt, among many others of the European aristocracy. The gathering lasted from July 16th to August 20th, 1782. Thus came forth the Illuminati or the "Enlighted Ones".

Former Roman Catholic Bishop Gerard Bouffard of Guatemala stated that the Vatican is "the real spiritual controller" of the Illuminati and New-World-Order while the Jesuits through the Black Pope, Jesuit General Fr. Peter Hans Kolvenach, actually control the Vatican hierarchy and the Roman Catholic Church. There is a new successor to Fr. Kolvenach as of a few years ago.

Bishop Bouffard, who left the the Roman Catholic Church, and is now a born-again Christian living in Canada, based his statement after working six years as a Vatican priest, assigned the specific task of passing daily, sensitive correspondence between the Pope and the leaders of the Jesuit Order residing at Borog Santo Spinto 5, near St, Peter's Square. "Yes, the man known as the Black Pope controls all major decisions made by the Pope and he in turn controls the Illuminati," said Bishop Bouffard. "I know this to be true since I worked for years in the Vatican and traveled with Pope John Paul II. The Pope takes his marching orders from the Black Pope as the Jesuits also are the leaders of the New-World-Order, with the task of infiltrating other religions and governments of the world in order to bring about a one-world fascist government and a one-world-religion based on Satanism and Lucifer," said the former Roman Catholic Bishop. "People can't imagine how evil and how much destruction they have caused and will cause while, at the same time using the perfect cover of hiding behind black robes and profession to be men of God."

Bishop Bouffard's first hand knowledge of the evil lurking within the hierarchy of the Vatican and particularly the Jesuit Order confirms the testimony of other researchers including Bill Huges, himself a SDA pastor, and author of the shocking books 'The Enemy Unmasked" and 'The Secret Terrorists', as well as preeminent researcher of the Jesuit Order, Eric Jon Phelps, author of 'Vatican Assassins'.

Bishop Bouffard claims the Jesuits act like the perfect chameleons, taking on the identity of Protestants, Adventists, Mormons, Baptists, and Jews with the intention of bringing about the downfall of America as well as bringing the country under a one world religion based in Jerusalem and under the control of their leader, Lucifer. "I know first hand that the Vatican controls and monitors everything in Israel with the intention of destroying the Jews," said Bishop Bouffard, adding the true purpose of the Jesuit Order is to orchestrate and control all leaders of the world in order to bring about a major worldwide conflict which will eventually destroy America, the Middle East and Israel. "They destroy everything from within and want to bring about the destruction of the Catholic Church, as well, in order to usher in a one world religion based on Satanism. This is also seen in the way priests worship in the Mass, actually worshiping the dead. Also, signs of Satanism are seen in many outward symbols, customs and vestments displayed by the Church."

After his service in Rome, Bishop Bouffard spent time in Africa and Guatemala, rising to a position of power within the Roman Catholic Church. However, with this religious power came affiliation and membership as a Freemason, becoming a 37th-Degree Masonic member, something supposedly frowned upon in the Roman Catholic Church since, according to Canon Law, membership in a Masonic Lodge brings immediate excommunication, so we are told. I might add here that traditional Freemasonry goes only to the 33rd Degree, but we have numerous reports extending to even higher degrees such as Bishop Bouffard was a member.

According to Bishop Bouffard, Freemasonry is used by the Roman Catholic Church to carry out its secret plans, as many other high-level priests, bishops, cardinals and even popes have joined secret societies along with others in other religions and governments, many working together to further the evil Illuminati agenda. His statements back up reports, including a book authored by a former CIA agent. This surfaced in the early 1980's, when French and Italian newspapers reporting more than 150 high-level priests with membership in Freemasonry's P2 Lodge and other secret societies as well.

Bishop Bouffard, a born-again and practicing Christian said, "We must always pray for our leaders by openingly denouncing evil and exposing the Jesuits for what they really are". After leaving the Roman Catholic Church, Bishop Bouffard also made amends and asked the late Jesuit priest, Fr. Alberto Rivera for his forgiveness. Fr. Rivera was one of the few Jesuit priests with the courage to expose the evil intentions of the Society of Jesus, coming forward telling how he worked as one of the Jesuit Order's infiltrators in America with the job of infiltrating Protestant and Baptist churches with the intent of destroying them from within. Freemasonry has the largest representation of clergy in both the Baptist and United Methodist Churches.

"When I was a bishop and still loyal to the Church, I once wrote a letter denouncing Fr. Rivera and advocating his death," said Bishop Bouffard. "When I realized the truth I searched out Fr. Rivera and asked his forgiveness. We became good friends and I know he was telling the truth. He was an honest man who also found God."

"I know the Jesuits tried to change the truth, saying he never was a priest and destroying all evidence backing that up. They have tried to do the same to me, but Fr. Rivera was telling the truth without question. I know that for a fact and even was with him several weeks before his death. He was suffering terribly after being poisoned with acid. Like I said, you can't imagine the suffering and destruction that has been caused and will be caused by the Jesuits."

In an article entitled 'Alberto: the Big Brou-haw-haw', an unknown writer who followed Bishop Bouffard's career and his his connection with Fr. Rivera had this to say, including the Vatican's difficulty in trying to cover up both Fr. Rivera and Bishop Bouffard's accusations: "Then there's the corroborating testimony provided by Fr. Gerard Bouffard. He was a high ranking bishop born in Quebec, Canada. He rose from the lower levels of his order to become an assistant for many years to popes such as Paul VI and John Paul II. He converted to Protestantism and claims he was the man who received the orders to eliminate Rivera. In a documentary called 'Unveiling the Mystery Behind Catholic Symbols', Bouffard shows a fancy 18-carat gold plated pen containing a special disappearing ink with which the Holy Office authorities sign top secret documents. He claims: "With this pen that I am holding, I signed the order to kill Dr. Rivera". Pretty dramatic cloak and dagger stuff! His previous high profile position would make him an easy target for discrediting - Yet the silence is deafening."

The Vatican also has its own credibility problems to contend with. From a historical context, Alberto's claims to be a Jesuit working undercover to destroy Protestant churches is not as far flung as it might seem. The Jesuits were created in 1541 by Ignatius De Loyola for the very purpose to destroy the work of the Reformation (although some Jesuits dispute this, naturally). They engaged in countless dirty tricks, assassinations, and treasonous plots during their hay day. The 'Office of the Inquisition' was an out growth of their mission which resulted in the torture and/or murder of millions of innocent people for "heresy". That department has since been renamed "The Holy Office", but the Jesuits have never bothered with a name change. How much their goals have changed with time is also an unknown. Neither organization is very transparent and both serve the interests of the pope. Bad reputations are not easily forgotten, and especially since the current Pope is himself a Jesuit.

The Jesuits and the Freemasons are always quick to respond with refutations concerning their mission and reputation, naturally, as often is the case in refuting truth. "Alberto Rivera had none of the resources. His own story came from him alone. It wasn't revised and honed for decades by committee before Chick Publications published his story", said Bishop Bouffard. After twenty years of investigation, all the Pope's resources have failed to "prove" Alberto Rivera was a fake. Of course, Alberto failed to "prove" his allegations against the Vatican as well. So at best, the contest is still a draw. Maybe future developments will yield something more dramatic, but don't count on it. We will probably never know if Alberto Rivera was really "real" unless the Pope were to come straight out and confess it. That has about as much a chance as a UFO landing on the White House lawn. It is definitely food for thought, and far more scary than any premise aired on the X-files.

Throughout history, the Jesuit Order has been tied together with war and genocide, being formally removed from over 80 countries over the last three centuries. As researchers claim, the Jesuits are the real spiritual controllers of the New World Order, and one of the most documented books is 'Vatican Assassins' by Eric Jon Phelps.

With more than 28 major universities from coast to coast, with Georgetown University, near the US capitol, their senior institution, the Jesuit Order has created a strong political and financial foothold here, including secret control of the CFR and control of many banks like Bank of America and the Federal Reserve banking system, the Jesuits are in the catbird seat to cover its trail. The Bank of America started out as the Jesuit-owned Bank of Italy in San Francisco during the gold rush era of California.

The House of Rothschild has been the Vatican's "Fiduciary" since the early 1800's. The reason for this was the Bible's position on "usury", and so to get around the sticky issue of charging interest on borrowed funds the Vatican contracted out the task letting the Jewish bankers be their lending agents and lend out at "usury" interest.

Interestingly enough is the fact that the three major cults, the Mormons, the Jehovah's Witnesses, and the Seventh Day Adventists, all claim to be, without exception, the one and only true church. Everyone of them will tell you, "we are just like you", meaning a Christian believer. But they are heavily into mind programming with their doctrine, and all tend to be coy about their particular belief system. They never are out in the open about what they really believe. This has raised red flags in my way of thinking in dealing with the "Pre-Wrath-Rapture-Babble" site and a couple of critics that want to debate me and nit-pick my posts. I am too busy to play the kind of mind games they want to engage in. Their tactics reveal their agenda, and they like to major in minors, nit-pick little points here and there to make them sound like they are major arguments and to distract you from greater matters of importance. I don't subscribe to or engage in debating the Greek or Hebrew matters when they do not use the mathematically-provened, God-inspired validated "Heptadic" Signature of the KJV Bible that I use, when I know they are using the Nestle-Aland Greek Text, used today by nearly all theological institutions. It is based on the corrupt Critical Wescott & Hort New Greek Text, which has changed the Greek text thousands of times, and has replaced "functional equivalence" for "dynamic equivalence" many more thousands of times in the modern translations such as the NIV and NKJV. Jesuits are masters of the 'Divide and Conquer' strategy, also known by the other term, the "Hegelian Dialectic" that I have noted previously. Because I went to a Christian college, and the fact that I majored in history and pre-ministry, I was taught all about the "Hegelian Dialectic" method used by Rome to destroy the Protestant Bible-believing beliefs.

A number of organizations that research religious groups, sects, churches, as to their background beliefs have concluded that every pseudo-Christian cult was founded by a Freemason, which is essentially, nothing more than pagan Luciferian Baal worship. It turns out that the Seventh Day Adventist duo of James and Ellen G. White were not any different. The Masonic/Satanic memorial sitting on their family burial plot bears the traditional Masonic "Obelisk". If you go into any cemetery in the USA as well as other countries, look for the "obelisk" or miniature "Washington's Monument" grave markers and inevitably it will indicate the person buried their was a Mason. The "obelisk" is the symbol of regeneration powers, or the male phallus. This is just as true for the National Washington Monument in Washington, DC. The vast population of America know little of its true background, as well as a number of other national symbols.

Ellen G. White, until her death in 1915, went into trances, and supposedly received over 2,000 visions, wrote over 50 volumes, 100,000 pages, and over 200 million words, and yet she only had a third-grade education. As one with more than enough education, and having read some of her books, it seems to me she had to have a ghost writer or some extern

part two

It was through her visions she believed that Jesus Christ was coming back through Orion's Belt. The obvious flaw is that it isn't supported by the Bible, and it is a pivotal teaching connected to the SDA and New Age/occult teachings. The teachings of Theosophy and the Ascended Masters include Orion. I won't waste my key strokes on her associating Orion's Belt with the coming UFO agenda. Its far too long and of little value. One of the obvious giveaways of Jesuit/Masonic influence as to SDA occult teaching is their use of the "All-Seeing-Eye" occult symbolism. Their publications carry illustrations and pictures with only one eye visible. It is done by blocking out or obscuring one eye or casting a dark shadow over one eye as to be hidden. This is a hidden in plain sight example of the "All-Seeing-Eye", like that which appears on the back of $1-dollar bill's truncated pyramid. "The message is that nothing is hidden from the all-seeing-eye of him with whom we have to do with," quoting Mrs. White. This reference is obviously not to the God of the Bible, but rather the eye of Lucifer. Use of the "hidden eye" symbol is widely used by the Satanic and Occult community, embracing magazines that most of you would know by name.

The fact is that the SDA cult uses Masonic logos in its printed materials. Like with the Word of Faith movement, unless you ask questions, they will not tell you anything. The major issue that defines the SDA's as a cult is the fact that they do not, I repeat, they reject the idea that salvation is by the grace of God through faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the Cross. SDA doctrine believes and teaches that we need to keep the Old Testament Law to finish the work of your salvation. If you fail to keep the law, you are not saved. I addressed that point in one of my posts on the "Aberrations of Seventh Day Adventists". The fact is that if anyone is trying to keep the Law, their salvation by grace through faith is abrogated. It is canceled!

The larger scope of the Jesuit One-World-Government that originated at the Congress of Wilhelmsbad in 1782 came away with seven primary goals:

1. The elimination of patriotism
2. The elimination of inheritance
3. The elimination of private property
4. The elimination of religion
5. The elimination of the family
6. The elimination of all government
7. The creation of a world government

In 1773, Mayor Amschel Bauer Rothschild, in a meeting in Frankfurt, Germany, with twelve of his most closest friends, and convinced them that if they worked together, they could rule the world. The Illuminati later adopted the Hegelian Dialectic or (thesis - antithesis - synthesis) as their method to achieve their goals.

With what I have shared to this point in this post and the three previous segments, the reader should be able to see how religion and politics are used by those working to control the world. When it comes to politics and religion, most people are very opinionated about what they believe. We would not expect less. Originally, the efforts to destroy religion were approached through war and violence, but with the Enlightenment Era, it took on other masks to discredit religious belief and faith. If you have thought some of Pope Francis' statements have been in conflict with either his church's theology or Scripture, it is not the reflections of a senile old man, but rather an act of intentional sabotage. The current Jesuits Superior-General, Adolfo Nicholas Pachon, assumed his post in 2008, but he announced on May 20th of this year that he will be stepping down as Superior-General at the next General Congress of the Jesuits. This came on the heels of the announcement that Pope Francis might be retiring as well. This fact was shared by Pope Francis to the Italian media in early August of 2014.

These facts comes as a complete surprise to many; however, it may have more to do with the fact that [he the Jesuit General Superior Pachon] and the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, and former Cardinal and current Pope Francis, Gorgio Bergoglio are defendants in a case with the International Common Law Court of Justice in Brussels, that convened in April of 2014. The three defendants, Welby, Pachon, and Bergoglio are accused of murder and child trafficking, The court has been taking eye-witness testimony depositions for several months now. The Italian press had already taken notice that several high-ranking Vatican leaders have suddenly resigned or retired, without giving reason for doing so. Secretary of State for the Vatican, Cardinal Bertone, was also facing potential indictment at the time of his announced resignation earlier this year. The previous Pope, Benedict XVI was, himself, indicted for the same crimes, which led to his early retirement. All of this has led many to as such perceiving the reports as being a huge admission of guilt. Pope Benedict XVI, cannot leave the Vatican grounds lest he risk being arrested by Interpol authorities. This was the reason, at his retirement, why he flew the short 8-mile distance by helicopter, rather than by car, to his retirement compound owned by the Vatican at Castel Gandolfo. Interpol was laying in wait to arrest Benedict if he set foot onto Italian soil outside the Vatican city/state so the Vatican opted for a helicopter flight to the retirement compound.

On September 3rd, 2014, it was announced that Cardinal Dolan will be the grand marshal of the 2015 New York Saint Patrick's Day Parade; and, it will permit sodomites to openly participate in the 2015 St. Patrick's Day Parade. I heard in less than thirty-five minutes from my Catholic friends this announcement. They are furious to put it gently. Cardinal Dolan even went so far as to say God bless the sodomites. I saved the video clip because it is a blanket endorsement of where Rome is moving towards.

Numerous articles have appeared at Internet blog sites have related that Jesuit infiltration of SDA leadership and local churches has caused an identity crisis within the SDA cult. The Jesuit infiltration of the SDA's has been news for more than ten years in religious media and the Internet.

As I was about writing my notes for this series of posts, I have been wondering about something that has been bothering me back to when I first stated that I thought the "Pre-Wrath-Rapture-Babble" site was a closet SDA disinformation site to play with peoples' heads. i have been researching and studying the Roman Catholic Church for as far back as I can recall. I began to be interested in the geo-political world events beginning with the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, his brother Robert Kennedy, and Martin Luther King. Coupled with being a history major in college and church history in seminary, the threads all came together in a plausible scenario. When I first read Jon Eric Phelps book, 'Vatican Assassins', a picture was already taking form in the back of my mind. Ironically, Jon Eric Phelps was also influenced as a result of the assassination of President Kennedy. He was just a young elementary school child when the President was assassinated, and more traumatized than I because of our age difference, I was in my twenties.

As I was typing this into my computer, it began to occur to me that the "Pre-Wrath-Rapture-Babble" site just might possibly be a "Jesuit Coadjutor" "disinformation" site. You probably are scratching your head, what is a "Jesuit Coadjutor" I'll explain, a "Jesuit Coadjutor" is a person that is sympathetic person and aides the mission of the Roman Catholic Church. They do not necessary have to be a Catholic, they may have been educated at a Jesuit college or university, or they may be from a Catholic background. They may have been raised Catholic or have a family member that is Catholic. Jon Eric Phelps uses the term in his book 'Vatican Assassins'.

Several things get my discerning attention at the "Pre-Wrath-Rapture-Babble" site. First, it is the heavy posting on the spurious books of the Apocrypha. Second, it is the heavy posting of SDA sites. Third, it is the absolutely absurd posts of sensational headline stories but at close examination, there is no substance of content. Fourth, posts that are simply idiotic, like "The Bride of Christ is not the Church", or "The Ecclesia began with Abraham", or "Septuagint vs. Masoretic - Hebrew Masoretic is a corrupted Old Testament Canon". These are bogus from the very beginning. There is not a serious theologian today that would espouse such nonsense let alone give credence for such unfounded, unsubstantiated statements. Fifth, it pretends to be an orthodox site, while in fact, it reads more like a supermarket tabloid rag like 'The Enquirer'. Sixth, it keeps drumming its same old tune beat like the Energizer bunny, over and over again, and never backing up its statements and quotes with credible evidence.

Ask yourself this very question in the first person singular tense, If I were a genuine Christian web site, why would I bring ridicule, shame, and criticism for hosting and posting of lies that attempt to discredit and undermine the Word of God? I would be interested in hearing others' thoughts.

For example, I noted above their posting on "The Bride of Christ is not the Church". On September 1st, they posted an article that defines the "bride" as the "New Jerusalem" from a web site called "True Light Ministries". They hang their doctrine on just two passages of Revelation: Revelation 21:1,2 and 21:9-11, while all along denying that "The Bride of Christ is the Church", which has at least 24 verses of Scripture that offer a much stronger case for its defense and existence. It's almost as if they go looking for controversial issues to distract the believer, in order to play mind games, but yet never telling the whole story. I will deal with the "Pre-Wrath-Rapture-Babble" site post in a separate post by itself.

I am inclined, and beginning to believe they are something "more" along the line of a "Jesuit Coadjutor" web site seeking to confuse, deceive, distract, and play mind games with those going their to see what they have posted today to entertain the Low Information folks. The 'History Channel' is one of those television networks that glamorize Freemasonry, exploit books and writings that embrace Gnosticism, and fantasize on esoteric teachings and writings, and at the same time undermining the basic truth of the KJV Bible such as to cause doubt in the minds of folks that trust the KJV Bible. The so-called consultants for the History Channel, that comment, opine or present questions are never mainstream theologians or well-respected and qualified scholars, but are almost always from the radical left spectrum of academia. A regular visitor and consultant at the History Channel on religious programs is the feminist liberal Elaine Pagel, from Princeton Theological Seminary. She is known for her work on the so-called 'Gnostic Gospels'. As an Episcopalian, Elaine Pagel is a major voice within the feminist Sophia Movement of the 1990's. She has long been identified with the Feminist movement. My point here is that the History Channel producers almost never, or rarely, consult anyone from a conservative theological back- ground, but choose rather to draw upon the fringes of radical liberalism.

Below, the reader will have a running bibliography, meaning that I will add to the list as needed. Having been researching and studying the history of the Counter-Reformation movement of Rome and its hired guns, known as the Pope's army, the Jesuits, I have spent years of work connecting the dots.

Bibliography:

F. Tupper Saussy, 'Rulers of Evil'
Jon Eric Phelps, 'Vatican Assassins'
John Daniel, 'The Grand Design Exposed'
Ralph Epperson, 'Masonry, Conspiracy Against Christianity'
Juri Lina, 'Architects of Deception'
Juri Lina, 'Under the Sign of the Scorpion'
John Daniel, 'Scarlet and the Beast'
The Millenari, 'Shroud of Secrecy'
Bill Hughes, 'The Enemy Unmasked'
Bill Hughes, 'The Secret Terrorists'
James Billington, 'Fire In The Eyes of Men'
Noah Webster, 'World Revolution'
Albert Mackey, 'Secret Destiny of America'
William Still, 'New World Order'
Albert Pike, 'Morals and Dogma'
Modern History Project, 'The Freemasons'
Michael Hoffman, 'Usury in Chrisendom: The Mortal Sin that Was and Now is Not'


There will be much more to come, that is if we remain here past the end of September.

Stay awake, alert, and be at work reaching those you know that are unsaved.

God bless

Pastor Bob

SEVERAL ARTICLES WERE POSTED BY JOVIAL ON SUNDAY SEPTEMBER 7 2014

EASILY DISCREDITING 'pastor' bob...

'pastor' bob must not fear God since he continues to attack this site along with Charles Holler on Five Doves spouting off false witnessing......incase they forgot that is one of the commandments....not to bear false witness......

YOU DO KNOW WHO THE ACCUSER OF THE BRETHREN IS RIGHT?

All because why?

Let's see pastor bob believe in a false 7 year pre tribulation rapture lie that was created by the Jesuits using false authors etc to 'con' the protestant church.

Do your homework and find out for yourself. Is there a 7 YEAR PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE? ( WATCH THE VIDEOS BELOW FOR THE SCRIPTURAL ANSWER )

Charles Holler continues to attack this site calling the moderator arrogant I will not get into mud slinging but only will say God knows all and the truth will be revealed at the throne of God ....so if you want to continue to slander and bear false witness against the moderator of this site and attack this site that only wants to share the TRUTH of JESUS CHRIST with everyone...then let the LORD judge.....

God Bless

Steven

It wasn't until the early or mid 1800's that there was any significant group of believers around the world that looked for a "rapture" of the Church prior to a seven-year tribulation period. The "secret rapture" teaching was NOT taught by the early Church, it was NOT taught by the Church of the first centuries, it was NOT taught by the Reformers, IT WAS NOT TAUGHT BY ANYONE (except a couple Roman Catholic theologians) UNTIL ABOUT THE YEAR 1830!

The Roman Catholic Church had to come up with a view of prophecy to counter the Historic view of prophecy that the Reformers had used to identify the Church of Rome as the 'little horn' and the Harlot of Revelation 17. This new scheme of prophetic interpretation became known as FUTURISM.... It was a Jesuit priest named Ribera who, in the days of the Reformation, first taught that all the events in the book of Revelation were to take place literally during the three and a half years reign of the Antichrist away down at the end of the age. Later, Emmanuel Lacunza, also a Jesuit priest, built on Ribera's teachings, and spent much of his life writing a book titled "The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty." Lacunza, however, wrote under the assumed name of "Rabbi Ben Ezra," supposedly a learned Jew who had accepted Christ as his Saviour; he did this so that the unsuspecting Protestants would accept his book; for the Protestant world then wanted nothing from a Jesuit. His book was published in 1812.

Now enter the name of Edward Irving. Born in Scotland in 1792, Irving discovered Lacunza's book and fell in love with it, translated it into English, and it was published in London in 1827. Then Irving began to hold Bible Conferences throughout Scotland, emphasizing the coming of Jesus to rapture His Church. Later, J.N. Darby then was introduced to the "secret rapture" doctrine by the Irvinites (Followers of Edward Irvin), as well as the famous book by Rabbi Ben-Ezra [Jesuit priest Emmanuel Lacunza]!


Darby was himself a prolific writer and from that time a constant stream of propaganda came from his pen. His writings on biblical subjects number over 30 volumes of 600 pages each. Darby developed and organized "futurism" into a system of prophetic teaching called "dispensationalism." The Secret Rapture teaching was introduced into the United States and Canada between the 1840's and 1870's.

A Congregationalist preacher by the name of C. I. Scofield came under the influence of Darby and the Plymouth Brethren. Scofield became a strong promoter of the teaching that had been promulgated by Darby, whom he considered "the most profound Bible student of modern times." He incorporated this teaching into his SCOFIELD REFERENCE BIBLE. Three million copies were published in the first 50 years! Through this Bible Scofield shrewdly carried the teaching of the Secret Rapture into the very heart of Evangelicalism.

There is one final link in the chain of the development and spread of the rapture theory that should be mentioned in passing. Scofield and Darby influenced D. L. Moody, and Moody influenced the early PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT. How? you ask. The Assemblies of God is today by far the largest Pentecostal denomination in the world. In 1914 they ordered their Sunday School and study materials from the Moody Press. So the Assemblies of God believed what the Moody Bible Institute taught, which included the "Secret Rapture".


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WEEKEND SHOCKCAST: The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie

I really wish that the Pre-Tribulation Rapture wasn’t a Lie. I really do. I wish that we didn’t have to go through three and a half years of extreme persecution. I wish that being a Christian meant that life was a serene experience of clear skies and smooth sailing.

Unfortunately, those of us who wish to live holy and righteous lives in Christ, WILL suffer persecution (2 Tim 3:12). When Paul wrote that to Timothy, he wasn’t thinking of the persecution that you and I have experienced – frowns, disapproval and lost jobs. No, he was referring to the persecution that Christians are experiencing right now in the Arab world – such as with ISIS and Boko Haram.










"Pastor" Bob discredited by Jovial in letter to Five Doves....!

In all fairness to keep the article in context to Jovial letter here is the link

Link: http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/sep2014/jovial97-2.htm


Here is a portion of the Jovial letter below:

Jovial wrote:

The article at http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2014/pastorbob831-7.htm did the reverse of what is scholarly. It said;

•He "majored in church history, in seminary", as if to set himself up as an expert on church history. That is, it is an attempt to convey the though "trust me, I'm an expert".
•Made at least 11 allegations about church history that I easily disproved in the above simply by quoting what his alleged sources actually said and showing that those sources say the opposite of what he claimed.

That is WAY TOO MANY MISTAKES for someone who allegedly "majored in church history" and wants to use that as credibility and there is a serious problem here. First off, you destroy your own credibility for thoroughness when you make unsupportable claims that cannot be backed up by the sources you are claiming. But when you make claims that are the OPPOSITE of the sources you cite, as was done in many cases in the above, you destroy your credibility on more than just thoroughness, but on reliability as well. Who is going to take someone's word as an expert when their sources say the OPPOSITE of what they claim?

Some people read from history to try to learn from it. I have read everything the early Church Pioneers wrote from at least prior to Jerome because I wanted to understand how they think. Other people simply try to USE history to PROVE their agenda with no real regard to trying to understand how someone different from them thinks differently.

Also, the article at http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2014/pastorbob831-7.htm does the opposite of what I try to do. My goal is not to get you to agree with me. I am more concerned about the logic behind what I post than the conclusions. It is one of the reasons I sometimes argue both sides of an issue, and present a case for and against the same issue. I have even at times posted counter arguments I did not agree with in response to what other people have posted just because I felt like both sides of the issue should be examined. I am more concerned about you learning to THINK DEEPLY about a matter and THINK IT THROUGH and use PROPER LOGIC than whether you agree with me. I really believe that if we all learn to THOROUGHLY RESEARCH what we believe, the Church will come to unity on doctrine far faster than if we use underhanded approaches to promote a position, like trying to falsify Church history to get everyone to believe something that is not true.

Now when you demonstrate to someone that what they said was wrong, a scholarly person will stop making the false claim. But when people try to USE history to promote their personal agenda, it is not uncommon for them to continue to make the same claims over and over again. You can show someone a Hebrew text of Macabees, and they will still claim there is no Hebrew manuscript of Macabees when their doctrine is their god, and all facts must bow to the god of doctrine. You can quote where Origen quoted from the Apocrypha, will they still continue to say he spoke out against the Apocrypha when people are of the opinion that all facts must bow to the god of doctrine and it is OK to say ANYTHING, as long as it promotes the doctrines you want people to believe.

Some of these claims are also found at http://www.truthnet.org/Bible-Origins/6_The_Apocrypha_The_Septugint/ , which Pastor Bob apparently copied from somewhere, but without giving the source, giving me the impression he wrote it himself. That web site appears to have plagarized the arguments from page 7 of Basic Theology By Dag Heward-Mills.

Pastor Bob did not deliniate where the text he took from this URL and what he added himself begins and ends. When you plagarize something, and don't read what you plagarized and don't research whether it is true or not, well, you destroy your credibility on numerous levels.

Shalom,

Joe[/url]

Again, I say, "Why do you even bother, Bob?

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Here is the second part of Bob's on-going false accusations and name calling, which he will be held accountable for in God's Court and somehow, some way, it will be dealt with...of that you can be sure. Some people really need to be deflated in order to show blind followers who can't seem to spend their own time reading the Word of God to see if all that is being said is worthy of a man called "Pastor".

Remember, Enoch was told plenty by God about these Wolves in Sheep's clothing.

Gerlinda


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