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Gerlinda

Sep 6, 2014 - 3:45PM

Is Wrath of God the same as the Wrath of Antichrist?

For Fair Use Discussion and Educational Purposes

Quote from Bob at Five Doves

1st Thessalonians 1:10 - "And to wait for his son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, who delivered us from the wrath to come." I hope that I am not being redundant here, and I don't recall noting this passage before in any of my previous posts. In reading the text, there are some observations worthy of noting here.

1. The Thessalonian church saints were continuously waiting up for Christ Jesus to come from heaven, because they were confident that He could come at any moment.

2. Christ Jesus delivers Church saints from the future wrath of God.

3. Christ Jesus' deliverance of Church saints from the wrath of God is an already obtained deliverance, and it will never cease to be a present reality.

4. Christ Jesus will execute that already obtained deliverance by separating Church saints from the future wrath of God in the sense of preventing them from ever entering it [wrath].

5. Christ Jesus will separate or prevent Church saints from entering the future wrath of God through a mighty act of power - drawing or snatching them out to Himself before the wrath begins.

6. The wrath to come is the future eschatological wrath of God that will begin with the broad Day of the Lord or Tribulation.

Brothers and sisters "in Christ" this passage will preach. This one verse of Scripture will be my text for my next preaching opportunity. I have an invitation in two weeks as a guest preacher.

I happened to venture over to the site of sensational news and fear-mongering this afternoon and saw that they had put out their bait line several places to pitch their Hitler/Goebbels propaganda. When you have nothing to disprove the Pre-Tribulation Rapture, all you can do is put new batteries in the "Energizer" bunny and just let it rip!

Remember my point if you get a little low, there is absolutely no Biblical proof or evidence that you are going to go through the feared and dreaded "Seven" year Tribulation.

""Where Does It Say In The Bible That Believers Go Through The Tribulation?""
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2014/pastorbob831-5.htm

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"Where does it say in the Bible that the Believer does NOT go through Tribulation?"

Everything that was listed by the above article speaks about the WRATH of God. Did we ever, ONCE, say that the Ecclesia would go through the WRATH of God???? NOT ONCE. That is such a distortion of what we are saying.

Besides being a false accusation, it shows, once again, how nasty this man can get with his tongue. Is this how a man who says he is a pastor is suppose to talk?

So, what, what the heck is Hitler/Goebbels propaganda suppose to mean?

# 6 of his quotes

The wrath to come is the future eschatological wrath of God that will begin with the broad Day of the Lord or Tribulation.

Where does it say that God's Wrath takes place over a period of 7 years? Bob is assuming this and completely ignoring the fact that it is the Antichrist who will pour his wrath upon those that believe on Jesus Christ and the Commandments of God.

If this period of time is not Anti-christ's Wrath, then why does the world suffer so badly from his laws and killing fields which will include the Guillotines?"

We, the Believers will always have tribulation. It has always been that way. There will be 3 1/2 years of Great Tribulation by the Anti-Christ and his False Prophet. That cannot be refuted in the Bible, can it?

Type the word Tribulation into a dictionary and you will find it is not assigned to some Last Generation alone. You will have Tribulation with you always.

John 16:33 (NIV)
“I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”

1. Why is the believer warned NOT to take the Mark of the Beast if the believer has been removed?

2. Anyone that survives this Tribulation will have a rough go of it, of that there is no doubt. There were generations of Tribulation Saints that can each tell of their horrible stories of persecution, pain, hunger, being ostracized but this Last Day generation will face the worst. There is no automatic removal for them. God will give His Grace individually to help them but many will die before the Dead in Christ rise first and then the living that remain are removed.

2. Why is there 144,000 sealed during that time to preach the gospel? Because they will continue to preach the gospel to those Jews and Gentiles that will still become a part of the ecclesia.

3. Don't you just love that word ECCLESIA? That means....ALL called out ones from the beginning of time. That means what New Testament Believers have come to call Church. It is a word meaning the Congregation, Assembly.

Do you see how, when you come to understand that, you can no longer claim some special separation from all the other Called Out Ones. This Ecclesia was NOT born on Pentecost. Pentecost was the Out-Pouring of the Holy Spirit.

What is so hard to understand about,

"The Dead in Christ will rise first and then which remain will join the Lord in the Air"? I Thess. 4:16-17.

Who are the Dead in Christ? It is all believers, men and women of faith through-out Biblical History. The ECCLESIA. Faith in Christ did not begin in the New Testament Era. Even before Abraham, there were those that had faith in The Great I Am, the Living God. Christ Jesus is both God and man. Now that is simple enough. In fact, Enoch the Scribe, recorded things that no other writer in the Testaments had done in such complete form.

So don't' continue to be swayed by this twist of words.

WE ARE NOT APPOINTED UNTO THE WRATH OF GOD BUT we are here for the 3 1/2 years of A/C rule (if death does not take you before or during that period of time). There will be multitudes that will not make it through this Great Tribulation.

Bob, if you can start to talk like a pastor ought, instead of putting your nasty name calling out there, maybe this bridge between the two view-points could get a decent discussion. You do not impress anyone with your name calling. In fact, it is quite juvenile for someone of your age.

Putting down a researcher of 20 years like Joe Ortiz is a prime example of your attacking the messenger as if that makes your message more credible. Shame on you, a man who calls himself a pastor.

Gerlinda

Steven

Sep 6, 2014 - 4:07PM

Re: Is Wrath of God the same as the Wrath of Antichrist?

Hi Gerlinda,

Thank you for posting the TRUTH and not allowing a accuser of the brethren ( the father of lies is the anti christ spirit ) to continue to twist and distort the truth! ( if you believe in a 7 year pre tribulation rapture you are believing a lie from the 'pit' of hell and have been deceived. )

To say you have a degree from this seminary or that seminary but continue to propagate this lie and attack believers in JESUS CHRIST shows your 'true colors'.

On this site we always recommend you go to the bible and study the scripture to shew yourself approved.

Do not trust man.......ask the HOLY SPIRIT to teach you all things.

Thank you for posting on this site and not being ashamed of the GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST.

What does the bible say about the accuser of the brethren?

Will we endure tribulation?

What is the meaning of the Wrath of God?

Is there a difference between "tribulation and wrath?"

God Bless

Steven

We are not appointed to WRATH of God.

1. The bible is the inerrant WORD of God

2. Jesus is God's Son ( JESUS IS GOD )

3. The Holy Spirit will teach you all things.

4. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

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Sep 6th, 2014 - 4:07 PM

Michael

Sep 6, 2014 - 4:33PM

Re: Is Wrath of God the same as the Wrath of Antichrist?

Gerlinda,

Jesus rebuked the lawyers of his day. The learned of this worlds systems are nothing to our Lord. Those that read the bible know what is right and what is wrong. And Jesus Christ DEFINITELY knows. So I would not bother with casting your pearls...........!

It is obviously a waste of time to rewire a short circuit of the mind.

God Bless you sister!

Michael