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In Defense of a Humble, True Believer in Jesus Christ

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Bro. Bob has attacked a sincere, humble author, Joe Ortis, of the single best study of scriptures in such a way, it must be addressed. In stead of really spending time reading the books in complete fashion, which is not done in a quick fashion, he takes pieces here and pieces there and pastes it all together so he has more fodder for his character assassinations antics.

Israel is made up of both Hebrews of faith and Gentiles of faith who joined with them thus have always been considered one entity, the ecclesia since God called Abraham out of the Land of Ur. They lived in faith awaiting the Promise of the coming of Messiah and His Kingdom. Ecclesia is the Assembly/ Congregation/Church, the Body of Christ. The Ecclesia was not born on Pentecost but received Power from on High with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on that day when the small existing ecclesia /congregation/Church gathered as told to do. The two different entities are Israel and Judah.

Bob asks the question of which book isn't the Church seen as if that is proof for the church being gone. What do you see Bob? Isn't it believers suffering tribulation. In fact they will suffer Great Tribulation.

Of course, Israel would be mentioned more times in regard to your putting in the number times they were mentioned. The lineage of which Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (later changed to Israel) has been around since the the writings of the OT. The word Church was used first at Antioch to identify the ecclesia which had been made up of Israel and any Gentile that joined them, thus you have the natural Olive Branch and the Wild Olive Branch grafted in to the Root of Jesus Christ. I do not know how, you Bro. Bob, can continue to claim authority to teach that the Church began at Pentecost when it is just not true. Do your diligence and you will find out that the Called Out ones of the Great I Am began when Abraham was called out of Ur. Through-out it's long history, Gentiles have been grafted into that large body.

Surely, you know that the Nation of Israel, which consisted of all 12 tribes split into the Northern Kingdom and the two remaining tribes of Judah, Benjamin and the Levits among them made up the Southern Tribe who continue to always keep a remnant within the Southern Kingdom even after the Roman Destruction of their temple in 70AD. They have been assigned to keep the Law just as the scripture has told. Genesis 49:10 "The sceptre shall not depart from Judah nor a lawgiver from between his feet....Until Shiloh come."

In your post below, you ask which books do not mention "Church". That is because they were not called the church until it was done at Antioch. Is that suppose to mean something, those numbers of yours? It is not the ecclesia that is wanting to build a temple: they know they are the Temple of God. It is the Jews in the Southern Territory which includes Benjamin, Judah & Levits who are striving to rebuild the Temple. We both agree that the present leadership in the Nation of Israel are the Illuminati are the supporters for this endeavor so that their god can set up his image on a wing of it. Remember, it is these present leaders & their Rothschild Power behind them who chose the name of Israel. Applying that name does not mean, for one, minute, that now the two sticks are united.

That cannot happen until Israel, made up of both Israel and the Gentile adopted into that body by faith /grace along with those Jews who finally call upon their Messiah which will bring Him back to earth are united in that finished work called "The Great Mystery."

It is you that seems to not understand the difference between the Israel Gentile Church apart from the Jews who are the Keepers of the Law. You use
the word Anti-Semitic as if you understand the term. Semitic means all of the people that occupy that part of the Middle East.

Se·mit·IC (s-mtK)

1. Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
2. Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.
1. The Semitic languages.
2. Any one of the Semitic languages.

To call Joe anti-Semtic is proof of your ignorance. The Old Testament Israelites lived on faith, knew that God would send His Only Begotten Son and looked, in faith, to that Promised Land that we all, also look forward to, called The New Jerusalem. The Bride is the New Jerusalem. It is full of the body of all believers from all over the world.....not just some Gentiles that has applied the name of "Church" upon themselves.

When Jesus Christ began His ministry in Israel, he began to call out disciples to began the expansion of His already present ecclesia the continued plan of God to spread the gospel into all of the world.

He would fulfill the Promised Redemption by His Blood Sacrifice required of God, the Father. That group of men were His disciples that he trained personally to continue His work after His death. He didn't start a new religion. His Death confirmed the Covenant made to Abraham and all of his descendants and those Gentiles that believed and died in that faith in The Great I Am. He was there with them all along, not just in the time of when He came down in the form of a body so He could give His life. How can that be so hard to understand? The NT ecclesia now live by Grace free of the Law, while the OT ecclesia lived in faith.

Romans is a good book to read about being careful to think you have replaced the Jews whom will one day, themselves have their blinders removed and see their Messiah. Meanwhile, If God has them remaining in their present blind state to fulfill His purpose of administers of the Law of Moses and His writings, I guess it isn't for you and others that think the Church is a new idea to even understand God's Grand Plan. If the Day of Pentecost was the birth of your kind of brand of church, who were the disciples on the day the Holy Spirit was given for Power and Comfort? Were they Israeli pagans or were they Gentile Pagans? Did they just become followers of Christ on the Day of Pentecost? No, Way....despite their obvious fear of Rome, they were His Followers in the same way that Abraham, Issac and Jacob and all of their families and Gentiles that joined with them were the Body of Believers. You accuse Joe Ortiz of being a product of Jesuit Catholic Teaching. Have you ever considered that the places of higher learning that you attended may well have been a product of Jesuit construction, finances and religious teachings that have been off-base with teachings such as there is a separate dispensation for the the Gentiles and One for the Jews? You've only got half of that story correct. The faith believers of the OT and the grace receiving believers of the NT are all Israel who lived in the Faith of their God, the same God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The only separate group is the Jews of Judah. Plain and Simple! God will deal with them in His timing, not some period of time dreamed up by the Jesuit Dispensation Replacement Theology.

If God lets you live long enough, you are here until the Dead in Christ rise first and then they which are alive at His Coming will meet Him in the air. I don't relish talking this way to you but you have used your nasty name calling that is shameful for someone that calls themselves a pastor or Brother once too many times. Enough is enough. All you are doing is bring disrespect upon yourself and the position you claim to hold. You said this about this humble God searching man, who did spent all those years wanting to know the truth of the Word of God and not what the Catholics have taught or what the seminaries where you attended taught. You words:
" He has Roman Catholic demons in his psyche. Catholic education - ("AGR") is "Authority - Group Think - Ridicule " based. Catholic Jesuit education dictates:"

You dare to say Joe has Roman Catholic demons in his psyche? What a nasty way for a man who still calls himself a pastor to speak. You are a retired pastor, not my pastor and you recall very well how Pastor Eytzen, whom we both knew(my former pastor) reprimanded anyone that called him that if they did not belong to his congregation. He was a humble man, not caught up in a title.

Joe Ortiz only spent a short time of his life even practicing Roman Catholism. I spent all of my adult years as a Catholic until I became Born-Again and believe me I have no love or respect for their teachings. And neither does Joe. Another thing Bob, you have grabbed this one sentence of what Joe tells was his understanding of Jesus before He even began his own Biblical research and use it to try make him sound like some kind of idiot. My goodness, how low will you go to lift yourself up as some kind of Master teacher who is so full of his own pride, you willingly lead a little flock of sheep, who can't do their own studies?

Yes, the Roman Catholic Church is a Replacement Theology group who has manipulated her Protestant daughters into becoming a diferent kind of Replacement called Dispensation. If you cannot see that all of Israel who has come to faith in God and it's Gentile adoptees into the ecclecia continues to be the Body of believers, then who are you to accuse Joe Ortiz of such? In fact, Joe is the single most researcher in all of God's Scriptures with all of his documentations that one has the privelige to read. Reading his research makes one wonder how it is we have been so blind all of these years. Before you attack this man and the precious gifts of truth he has found, read the whole material, not grab pieces here and there and if you still cannot see scriptural proof, then you may have some major problem that keeps you from really understanding God's True Word.

Iron, in light of your accusations against Joe Ortiz of being anti-Semitic is that he considers himself a body of Israel, Spiritual Israel.

When Israel and finally the Jews meet their Lord in the Air after the Dead in Christ rise first, then, and only then will these two entities be ONE.

And as usual, you end your lesson in your usual put-downs.

There is so much more that identifies Mr. Ortiz as a brain-washed ex-Roman Catholic anti-Semite. To devote one-fifth of his book to attacking Israel, in the first chapter of the book, truly reflects where he stands on Israel. Today, there are so many that misinterpret the Bible, misapply, misuse, or fail to differentiate the distinction between Israel and the Church, and thus, they merely prove they are either ignorant, illiterate, or bigots, or all of named adjectives.



Pastor Bob (17 Aug 2014)
""Compare and Contrast Israel and the Church""

All Doves:

The Apostle Paul in 1st Corinthians 10:32 offered an vital axiom that provides more than anecdotal evidence that there is a distinction drawn in the Bible on the behalf of the differences between Israel, the Gentiles, and the Church. Biblically speaking, in God's Master Plan of Redemption for the world, "Give none offence, neither to the Jew, or the the Gentile, nor to the Church of God." In stating this out of context, let me just add that the entire 10th chapter of 1st Corinthians buttresses this explicit distinction, that many prefer to choose to ignore in order to protect their anti-Semitic bias.

Israel and the Church are "two distinctively and different entities", each with a different framework of reference, purposes, goals, promises, and blessings. This will be seen in the long list below that compares and contrasts the entity of Israel and the entity of the Church.

The facts are indisputable in this regards, Israel is mentioned 2,566 times in 2,294 verses of the Bible, in both the Old and New Testament. In contrast, the Church is mentioned 77 times in 76 verses. As noted in another post, the Church is not mentioned until Matthew 16:18. The Gospel of Matthew only mentions the Church twice.

Consider where we find the 77 references to the Church in the New Testament:

Acts - 19X
Romans - 3X
1st Corinthians - 16X
2nd Corinthians - 1X
Galatians - 1X
Ephesians - 9X
Philippians - 2X
Colossians - 4X
1st Thessalonians - 5X
Philemon - 1X
Hebrews - 2X
James - 1X
1st Peter - 1X
3rd John - 3X
Revelation - 7X

Consider which New Testament books do not mention the Church and ponder why so? I'll let that task be your job to consider.

In another post I offered a "Compare and Contrast Between the Rapture and the Second Coming". This will be well worth the reader saving for reference. It like the other post will prove important when you have to deal with explaining the difference between Israel and the Church, or the Rapture and the Second Coming.


1. Entered by physical birth. (Genesis 17:6-8; Romans 9:3).
1. Entered by spiritual birth. (1st Peter 1:23).

2. Jesus is Israel's Messiah. (John 1:41; 4:22-25).
2. Jesus is the Church's Head. (Ephesians 1:20-23; 4:15; and 5:23).

3. Under Law. (Exodus 20).
3. Under Grace. (Romans 6:14).

4. The Kingdom is to be set up. (2nd Samuel 7:12-16).
4. Church is to be built up. (1st Corinthians 14:5,12,26; Ephesians 4:12,16).

5. Citizenship on Earth. (Matthew 6:10).
5. Citizenship in Heaven. (Philippians 3:20-21).

6. Christ's death a stumbling block. (1st Corinthians 1:23; 3:11; 1st Peter 2:5-8).
6. Christ's death a foundation. (1st Corinthians
Romans 9:30-33).

7. In a Theocracy. (1st Samuel 8:1-7; 9:12-17; 12:13).
7. In Christ. ((Ephesians 1:6; Romans 16:7).

8. Never spiritually baptized by the Holy Spirit (viewed as future event in the Gospels).
8. Al believers are spiritually baptized by the Holy Spirit. (Acts 1:5; 2; 11:15-17; 1st Corinthians 12:13).

9. Holy Spirit would come and go selectively. (1st Samuel 10:9-10; 16:13-14; Judges 14:6; 16:20; Psalms 51:11).
9. Universal indwelling and sealing of the Holy Spirit. (John 7:37-39; 14:16-17; Romans 8:9).

10. Not blessed with all spiritual blessings.

(Deuteronomy 28).
10. Blessed with all spiritual blessings. (Ephesians 1:3; Colossians 2:10; 2nd Peter 1:3-4).

11. Related to the Day of the Lord. (Joel 2; Zephaniah 2; Zechariah 12-14).
11. Related to the Day of Christ. (1st Corinthians 1:8; Philippians 1:6,10; 2:16).

12. Earthly Temple. (2nd Samuel 7:13).
12. Heavenly Temple. (1st Corinthians 3:16).

13. The Temple is a building. (1st Kings 5- .
13. The Temple is the believer's body. 1st Corinthians 6:19-20).

14. Select priesthood. (Leviticus .
14. Universal priesthood. (1st Peter 2:5; Revelation 5:10).

15. Many animal sacrifices. (Leviticus 1-7; Hebrews 10:11).
15. One final sacrifice on the cross. (Hebrews 10:10-14; 1st Peter 3:1 .

16. Earthly promises. (Matthew 5:3-9).
16. Heavenly promises. (John 14:1-3; Philippians 3:20; Colossians 1:5; 1st Peter 1:4).

17. Old Testament revelation. (Genesis 12 and following).
17. Old Testament mystery. (Ephesians 3:1-12; 20-21; Colossians 1:24-29).

18. Jew-Gentile distinction. (Matthew 10:5; Romans 15:8-9).
18. No distinction. (Galatians 3:28; Ephesians 2:13-16).

19. Involved human circumcision. (Genesis 17:9-17; Romans 4:9-12; Ephesians 2:11-12).
19. Involves circumcision without hands. (Colossians 2:11).

20. Will experience the Tribulation. (Matthew 24).
20. Will escape the Tribulation. (1st Thessalonians 5:1-11).

21. Looking for the revelation of Jesus Christ. (Wailing wall) (Joel 2; Zechariah 12-14).
21. Looking for the Rapture of Jesus Christ. (Titus 2:13; 1st Thessalonians 4: 13-1 .

22. Started with Abraham. (Genesis 12, 15, 17).
22. Started at Pentecost. (Matthew 16:18; Acts 2:47; 5:11; 8:1-3; Galatians 1:13).

23. Israel rejected Christ Jesus. (John 1:11; 11:47-53; Acts 2:22-36).
23. The Church has received Christ Jesus. (Acts 2:41; 10:43-48; 16:30-33).

24. Involves one nation. (Psalm 147:19-20).
24. Involves many nations. (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1: .

25. Mixed people (believers and unbelievers. (Romans 9:6).
25. Only believers in the true Church. (1st Corinthians 1:2).

26. Out of favor with God. (70 AD).
26. Enjoying the blessings of God. (Ephesians 1:1-3).

29. Promised a land. (Genesis 15:18-21).
29. Promised no land. (1st Peter 2:9-11).

30. Set aside temporarily. (Romans 11:1-16).
30. Grafted in presently. (Romans 11:17-25).

31. Had specific dietary laws. (Leviticus 11).
31. Can eat whoppers, ham sandwiches, pork chops). (Acts 10:9-16; Colossians 2:16-17; 1st Timothy 4:1-5).

32. Had special holy days. (Exodus 20:8; Leviticus 23; Numbers 2 .
32. Has no special holy days. (Colossians 2:16; Galatians 4:8-10; Hebrews 4:9).

Most importantly, the usage of the word "Israel" in the New Testament needs to be noted. The term Israel is used 77 times in the New Testament. Not once is it used, in relation to or of the Church, including Galatians 6:16.

The wags at the "Pre-Wrath-Rapture-Babble" site are regular posters of the anti-Semitic author, Joe Ortiz, who wrote two books on the topic, 'The End Times Passover' and 'Will Christians Experience Great Tribulation'. I consider Joe Ortiz a brain-washed ex-Catholic. He is a prodigy of Roman Catholic education, where the "Fear of God" is drilled into a child. He has Roman Catholic demons in his psyche. Catholic education - ("AGR") is "Authority - Group Think - Ridicule " based. Catholic Jesuit education dictates:

++ Do not question the Catholic Church's authority!
++ Do not deviate from the Catholic Church "group-think"!
++ Ridicule all individualism or independent thinking that goes against Roman Catholic Doctrine!

He left Catholicism during his teenage years, but Catholicism's demons still hold him in the clutches of their bondage. He is, as the Jesuits' state, "a Catholic for life". Mike Gendron is an Evangelical Protestant evangelist (ex-Roman Catholic) who conducts a ministry, 'Proclaiming the Gospel' to Roman Catholics. He knows the methods of brain-washing conducted by Roman Catholic clergy and nuns.

The major perpetrators of anti-Semitism, in the form of "Replacement" theology was Roman Catholicism under Constantine and then later under Augustine, and it has prevailed in much of the non-Christian world ever since. It began "Replacement" theology and has worked every angle possible to wrest and take control over physical Jerusalem. There is ample proof of how the Vatican is using its power to accomplish this Satanic goal. It is the only avenue for the Antichrist to gain control of the sacred Hebrew sites. In spite of the diplomacy and endearing terms towards Israel today, Rome will continue to work its plan to take over control of the locations revered and sacred to Jews and Christians.

Until you understand the spiritual battle being waged that has existed for control over Jerusalem for nearly 2,000 years, you will not understand the larger picture, as to why nearly fifty wars have been fought over the land of Jerusalem since long before Jesus walked the land, or which is revealed in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, nor will you understand why Roman Catholicism is such a curse on the world, and particularly, Biblical Judaism. Satan's mandate is to destroy every living Jew, even if he has to use his minions to provoke the world against ALL Judaism, true and false.

As I noted, Joe Ortiz states in his book that he was raised and educated (brain-washed) as a Roman Catholic but left Catholicism when he was a teenager. Enough said about what I stated previously about Catholic education. His very first chapter of the book has devoted close to 100 pages to "Replacement" theology or the theological term "Supersessionism". He devotes nearly 100 pages of his book, 1/5th of the book to the take-down of Israel. But he carefully couches his words so as not to reveal specifically that term, or that he is against Israel. His book is full of contradictions despite the fact he says that it took him 20 years to write it. It is published by a vanity press (which means to be self-published in the publishing industry).

Joe Ortiz is obsessed with his "Replacement" theology, as much if not more than the pope himself. In spite of the fact that he is not a theologian, and often he fails to back up his view with relevant Scripture references, his bigotry is like an over-sized red traffic signal light. He does not hesitate to tell his reader that he has studied the Biblical text using common translator lexicons and wordsmiths such as 'Vine's' and others. But from having read his book online, his weakness in both the English text and the Biblical languages is revealed by his lack of familiarity with Greek and Hebrew in order to understand the nuances of the Biblical texts that are not obviously explicit, but rather implied, inferred, and presented in the form of typology and thematic literature. In Judaism, there is an expression, "three Jews, means four opinions". This occurs because Hebrew is a living dynamic language, which he obviously does not seem to grasp.

I have taken the time to read Joe Ortiz's first book, available on line; but if you read the "Pre-Wrath-Rapture-Babble" web site, where you can read it, posted in segments, and in full, as a rebuttal to those of us who hold a Pre-Tribulation Rapture position. Lacking a cogent, and cohesive case for his diatribe, he hides behind "proof-texting", and not always accurate at that. Joe is a P.R. man and knows how to hype his book using blog sites and "proof-texting" as a way to support his unusual theory, and yet claims his book refutes definitively the Pre-Trib position. From the wags at the "Pre-Wrath-Rapture-Babble" site, it is evident and quite obvious they have bought into his P.R. press accolades, hook, line, and sinker. Read the Amazon.com P.R. blurb for his book-hype and you will see what I am referring to.

Joe Ortiz claims Jesus was not a Jew. He mailed a video to a number of Christian web sites that reflects his anti-Semitism bias and bigotry. The video was titled "How the Jews Stole Christmas". He mailed it out just prior to the Christmas 2012 season. The timing could not have been anything more than a ploy other than to gain shock impact with the recipients getting Joe Ortiz's gift video two days before Christmas. The video was fallacious on a number of levels. Joe believed that Jesus was Aramaic, a proof-positive indicator he didn't know as much as he thought about Jews. Here is a quote just below, that he made to one of those that disagreed with him about Jesus earthly ethnic identity:

[[Joe: "He was? I thought he was Aramaic, but born in the area known as Judah? Did he practice what is written in the Talmud? Isn't that what it means to be Jewish?"]]

In this brief quote from a reply to a published Christian author and scholar, Joe Ortiz revealed his total lack of basic Jewish knowledge and understanding of what it means to be a Jew:

++ He [Joe Ortiz] didn't know Jews are people descendant from Jacob, such as David, and Jesus, clearly told in the Matthew and Luke genealogies.

++ Aramaic is a language, not a race of people.

++ The Talmud came into use after the destruction of the Temple many years later.

Jesus is even explicitly described as being from the Tribe of Judah - a true Jew even in the original usage of the term: "And one of the elders said to me, "weep no more; behold, the lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals." -(Revelation 5:5).

To my recollection, all scholarly lexicons shows that the New Testament used the word "Jew" for all 12 tribes that descended from Jacob. In the New Testament era "Jew" was equivalent and interchangeable to the term "Israelite" or "Hebrew".

The word "WE" in John 4:22 is inclusive, "We worship which we know, for salvation is from the Jews." According to John, Jesus said that and His use of "WE" is His identification as a Jew. Joe Ortiz's words confront us with a major dilemma:

1. The Bible has an error and Jesus never said it.
2. Salvation comes from the Jews but Jesus was not a Jew.
3. Salvation is through Christ alone as the Jewish Messiah.

There is no doubt that Joe Ortiz believes that because Jesus'

Re: In Defense of a Humble, True Believer in Jesus Christ

Dearest sister in Jesus Christ,

Good morning Gerlinda. As always, I am here this morning, with my coffee, to take in the daily spiritual quickening, at this gathering of Christians that are brought together at this site, administered by Steven, and enjoyed by many worshippers in Jesus Christ our Lord.

Thank you Steven for all you do in our Lord!

I would first like to congratulate you, Gerlinda, on your walk with our Lord, as it is obvious to all who read the word of God and are brought to the truth, that you have grasped the TRUTH of the word, as our Lord has guided you in all understanding of it.

I, as all, struggle with my infirmities, and weaknesses of humanship, (how's that for a word). But we all are in different stages of our parenting by the Father of us all. As such, I know your frustration with being one on the narrow path. It is difficult!

I feel you have handled this thing with "Bob", as a true loving woman of God! I would like to share with you a scripture that the Lord put on my heart when I was in the same situation as you find yourself now....

Jeremiah 9:23.....Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:
24.....But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.

Dearest sister, I second witness the truth that has been shown you! The truth is the truth, and I am talking about what is revealed by our Lord in his word. But straight is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Few, as in EIGHT SOULS that were saved from the flood....
Matthew 24:37....But as the days of No'e were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

If we compare now with then, and straight is the gate, and few there be that find it, how many can there be in this end time that we are talking about?

It would be a fraction of the population, to say the least. There are no fractions of the population that are involved with organized religions today. I would guess that to be a fraction of the population, the few would have to be representative of the voices that the majority disagree with! Thus, the chosen of the called, so to speak. A remnant maybe.

Now when we say "saved from the flood", I am suggesting those that make it to the harvest gathering alive! That means going through the tribulation and the mark of the beast system, all the way to the harvest of the wheat in Revelation 14:15, when God cuts short the murdering of mankind by the beast.
Then he will unleash his wrath on the rest that are left. The only way to survive to the "rapture, gathering" is by divine intervention by God to be protected! True called of the truth know in their spirit that something is fast approaching and are very intense about preparations. The others are transient to this fact. We will be saved from the Wrath of God, but not the great tribulation, all that is associate with the beast system.

I, like you, want to pray for those to wake up, that think they are not going to have to face the decision of the mark of the beast, for:

Revelation 12:9.....And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

The truth will be shared by a few chosen to do so, according to revelation. They will be of the house of Israel, 144,000 warriors for Jesus Christ in these end times. 36,000 Jews and 108,000 gentiles that make up the full 12 tribes of lost Israel from the old testament:

Matthew 15:24...I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Revelation 1:1....The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Those lost sheep are witnessed to by the 144,000 of the lost house of Israel and represented in Revelation 7: 4-8. They are made aware who they are at their sealing as the servants of God in Revelation 7:4. Their mission is to be a witness to these end times and be warriors to fight against evil and take the truth to the world before the end is upon them, for Satan has deceived the entire world according to Revelation 12:9.

Any way, got to go feed the chickens :)



Re: In Defense of a Humble, True Believer in Jesus Christ

Hi Michael,

Last night, around 10, I was ready to go to bed when I thought I'd look to see what was on Five Doves. I know that you can understand my shock at the words by bob toward our brother Joe Ortiz. Poor Joe has received this kind of mean-spirited slop flung at him ever since he was given the go ahead by God to publish these many scriptures that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the many doctrines given to the common people have been half-truths or down and out lies. My heart breaks for him.

Anyway, it was 4 am when I finally got a reply typed for Joe's accuser. We will lift Joe up in our prayers and pray for God's justice upon his accuser.

Your words of encouragement and scripture are so appreciated. Each day that goes by, the evidence of God's Word regarding how it would be has become more personal. All, that can be said regarding those that believe they know it all now is that they will be so shocked that if they could kick themselves, they would do so.

Wish I had my farm & chickens back again. The hens may fertilize the ground and gather tiny pebbles into their mouths but they don't throw rocks like do some of the other animals in Life's Animal House.

Appreciate You,

Re: In Defense of a Humble, True Believer in Jesus Christ

LOL.....You made me chuckle :)

Amen to that!