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The Canon of Scripture and The Apocrypha

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Part II
The Councils and The Canon
The Apocrypha
Was The Apocrypha Added to, or Deleted, from the Canon?
The Apocryphal Books Were Not \"God-breathed\"
The Apocryphal Books Were Never Authoritatively Quoted in The New Testament
Historical Errors in the Apocrypha.
Judith and Tobit
The Book of Baruch
Bel and the Dragon
Doctrinal Errors
The Book of Tobit
The Book of Wisdom
The Book of Sirach
The Book of 2 Maccabees
The New Testament Canon
The New Testament Was Guided and Preserved by The Holy Spirit..
The First Century Formation of the Canon.
How Jesus\' Apostles Viewed Their Own Teaching
Additional Claims of The Apostles
Jesus\' Apostles Also Recognized Teachings by Others
Gathered In One Place By Man
The Muratorian Canon
The Reliability of the New Testament
The Canon... Complete or Incomplete?
Conclusion


As said on the previous page, the Council of Trent, the 19th ecumenical council of the Roman Catholic church, held at Trent in northern Italy between 1545 and 1563, showed absolutely no regard for Jesus\' clear indication of the limits of the canon, but made their own determination as to which books were to be accepted as God\'s Word.

The Councils and The Canon
Roman Catholic apologists often assert that the canon was determined very early on at the Council of Hippo in 393 A.D., which was one of several synods held at Hippo in North Africa, some of which were attended by Augustine, who was bishop of Hippo for thirty-four years from 396 A.D. and, therefore, not exactly without influence in the area. As said by the Catholic Encyclopedia
\"...the episcopal house of Hippo became a veritable nursery which supplied the founders of the monasteries that were soon spread all over Africa and the bishops who occupied the neighbouring sees. Possidius (Vita S. August., xxii) enumerates ten of the saint\'s friends and disciples who were promoted to the episcopacy. Thus it was that Augustine earned the title of patriarch of the religious, and renovator of the clerical, life in Africa... he impressed his spirit upon divers African councils at which he assisted, for instance, those of Carthage in 398, 401, 407, 419 and of Mileve in 416 and 418; [11]
Augustine was a clear advocate of the deuterocanonical books, explicitly listing them as being canonical in his writing, City of God. (He may have been influenced by the fact that he believed in the legend of the seventy translators of the Septuagint. DETAILS).
Participants at Hippo listed, and approved, a canon of Sacred Scripture that corresponds to the modern Roman Catholic canon, a list which was then endorsed by the council of Carthage in 397 A.D. However, according to the New Catholic Encyclopedia, since the councils that convened in Africa were not general councils, but localized assemblies of bishops representing the North African Church, this list was not binding on the whole church, but pended approval by Rome...
At the Synod of Hippo (393), and again at the Synod of 397 at Carthage, a list of the books of Holy Scripture was drawn up. It is the Catholic canon (i.e. including the books classed by Protestants as \"Apocrypha\"). The latter synod, at the end of the enumeration, added, \"But let Church beyond sea (Rome) be consulted about confirming this canon\". St. Augustine was one among the forty-four bishops who signed the proceedings. [12]
In other words, the Councils of Carthage and Hippo were provincial councils which did not have ecumenical authority and, therefore, did not establish the canon for the Church as a whole. An official, definitive, list of inspired writings did not exist in the Catholic Church until the Council of Trent which, in answer to Protestant disputes, issued numerous reform decrees and defined Catholic doctrine in various areas, including Scripture and Tradition, Original Sin, Justification, Sacraments, the Eucharist, and the veneration of saints. In the fourth session, the council of Trent passed a decree that confirmed that the deuterocanonical books were on a par with the other books of the canon.
\"According to Catholic doctrine, the proximate criterion of the biblical canon is the infallible decision of the Church. This decision was not given until rather late in the history of the Church at the Council of Trent...The Council of Trent definitively settled the matter of the Old Testament Canon.That this had not been done previously is apparent from the uncertainty that persisted up to the time of Trent\" [12]. [Copy and paste the following URl into your browser to read the Decrees http://history.hanover.edu/texts/trent/ct04.html]
However, it is a matter of some consideration that 1) no Greek manuscript has the exact list of Apocryphal books accepted by the Council of Trent, and 2) the Council of Trent contradicted the councils of Hippo and Carthage, since both agreed that 1 Esdras and 2 Esdras (as listed by the Septuagint) was canonical, but the Council of Trent omitted 1 Esdras. (In the Septuagint 1 Esdras is the Apocryphal addition to Ezra, while 2 Esdras is Ezra-Nehemiah which was one book in the Hebrew canon).
Note: Esdras is the Greco-Latin variation of the name of the scribe Ezra. However the listing and names of the books associated with Ezra can get very confusing. A total of four books, sometimes referred to as 1, 2, 3, and 4 Esdras, have been associated with Ezra, the first two of which (1 and 2 Esdras) were included in our Bibles as Ezra and Nehemiah. The second two (3 and 4 Esdras) which became known as 1 and 2 Esdras, are not generally recognized as being canonical.
Also significant is the fact that Hippo and Carthage both state that Solomon wrote 5 books of the Old Testament [14]. However, he wrote only three... Proverbs, Ecclesiastes and the Song of Solomon.

Rufinus of Aquileia, born after both synods (340/345 – 410), was a monk, historian, and theologian who engaged in a war of words with Jerome. His comments on the canon were...
Hence it seems proper here to set forth in their order, as we have received them from the records of the Fathers, the books of the Old and New Testaments, which, according to the tradition of our forefathers, are believed to have been inspired by the Holy Ghost, and delivered to the Churches of Christ.
And so of the Old Testament, first of all, there have been handed down the five Books of Moses, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy; then Joshua, the son of Nun, and the Book of Judges together with Ruth; then four Books of Kings, which the Hebrews count as two; the Book of Omissions, which is called the Book of Days, and two Books of Ezra, which the Hebrews reckon as one, and Esther.
Of the Prophets there are Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel, and also one book of the Twelve Prophets. Job and the Psalms of David are each one book. Solomon has given three books to the Churches, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and Canticles. With these last the number of the books of the Old Testament is completed.
In the New Testament there are four Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John; the Acts of the Apostles, written by Luke; fourteen Epistles of the apostle Paul, two of the Apostle Peter, one of James, brother of the Lord and Apostle, one of Jude, three of John, the Apocalypse of John. These are the books which the Fathers have included within the Canon, and from which they would have us would have us confirm the declaration of our faith.
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The Apocrypha
Was The Apocrypha Added to, or Deleted from the Canon?
It is often claimed that primarily for doctrinal reasons, Protestants \"removed\" seven books from the Old Testament. However the sheer weight of evidence indicates that the apocrypha was never part of the canon, irrespective of what any council decreed. In fact the boot seems to be squarely on the other foot, with the church of Rome adding in books that were never part of the Hebrew canon, and which were obviously ignored by Jesus and the apostles.
The Catholic church teaches that since the Scriptures came from the church, the teachings and traditions of the church have authority over the Scriptures. However this argument is specious, simply because 1) Because the Scriptures pre-existed the church, the church never has been without the Scriptures. The Old Testament was the \'Bible\' of the early church, and 2) The church was being founded at the same the time the New Testament was being written.
So one has to wonder why, in the 16th century, the Catholic church officially declared many of the apocryphal books as canonical.
One reason that springs to mind is that \"Sola-Scriptura\" (Scripture alone) was the rallying cry of the Protestant Reformation. The term simply means that the Scriptures alone are the final source of truth, and all other sources must submit to what the Bible says. One has to wonder whether the Apocryphal books were canonized in order to provide Scriptural \"proof\" for some un-Scriptural teaching. Two of the main doctrines in dispute during the Reformation were salvation by works, and prayers for the dead, both of which are supported by the Apocrypha...
Salvation by Almsgiving - Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) 3:30, and Tobit 12:9
Praying for the Dead - 2 Maccabees 12:38-46
These passages undergird the Catholic doctrines of indulgences, and prayers for dead people in purgatory. In the Maccabees passage, Judas Maccabee collected two thousand silver drachmas from his soldiers,which he sent to Jerusalem to provide a \"sin offering\" for the Jewish soldiers who were slain because they had on their person things consecrated to the idols of the Jamnites.
However, this is not all. Some of the many reasons the apocrypha was not included in the canon is because they contain absurd stories, clearly heretical doctrines, as well as historical and geographical errors.

The Apocryphal Books Were Not \"God-breathed\"
Although they do contain some useful information, especially about the time period between Malachi and Matthew, both the Jews, and the Protestant Church, consider the apocrypha non-inspired, and do not include these books in the canon of Scripture, for several reasons... Without prophets and prophecy there can be no inspired writings, yet the apocryphal books give no internal evidence of being inspired or \"God-breathed\".
That the prophets of the Hebrew canon were Divinely appointed is seen in the fact that many of the prophetic books start with words \"The word of the Lord that came unto...\" or something similar. [See Footnote II]. A search on the phrase \"Thus saith the Lord\" in the King James version of the Old Testament brings up 415 matches. Unlike the canonical books of the Old Testament, the apocryphal books make no claims to be being inspired of God, or written by a prophet. There is not a single instance of a \"thus says the Lord,” or \"the word of the Lord came unto me...”. (Remember what even Josephus said about there being no direct revelation from God during the inter-testamental period).
The prologue to the book of Sirach (also known as Ecclesiasticus), and 2 Maccabees 2:24-32 and 15:38-39 clearly indicate that the books were not inspired, but written by the effort of the individual authors. [See Footnote III For Complete Quotes]
“Ye are intreated therefore to read with favour and attention, and to pardon us, if in any parts of what we have laboured to interpret, we may seem to fail in some of the phrases [See Footnote III For Complete Quote]
Three verses in 1 Maccabees make it clear that, at the time of writing, there hadn\'t been a prophet in Israel for a while...
So was there a great affliction in Israel, the like whereof was not since the time that a prophet was not seen among them. [1 Maccabees 9:27]
And laid up the stones in the mountain of the temple in a convenient place, until there should come a prophet to shew what should be done with them. [1 Maccabees 4:46]
Also that the Jews and priests were well pleased that Simon should be their governor and high priest for ever, until there should arise a faithful prophet; [1 Maccabees 14:41]
Additionally, the test of a true prophet was that anything they foretold had to come true, otherwise the prophet was put to death. However, there is no predictive prophecy in the Apocrypha by which to test their words.

The Apocryphal Books Were Never Authoritatively Quoted in The New Testament
Additionally, except for Esther, Ecclesiastes, and the Song of Solomon, all the books of the Hebrew canon were authoritatively quoted some 250 times by Jesus, and the New Testament authors. However, none of them ever authoritatively (used in the sense of being an accepted source of Divine truth) cited any of the Apocryphal books. If Jesus and the apostles considered the Apocrypha as having divine authority, it is impossible to believe that they did not, even once, quote any of the Apocryphal books .
Additionally, when the Old Testament was quoted by the New Testament authors, their use of designations such as “The Scripture”, “The Sacred Writings”, and \" The Word of God\", tells us what they thought of the Hebrew canon.
Cults will often try to justify the existence of other books by appealing to the fact that the Bible occasionally references other books [See Footnote IV], which are not part of the canon, many of which have been forever lost. However, the very fact that these books no longer exist is evidence that they were not inspired, and therefore, never meant to be preserved as part of the Scriptures. Besides which, there can be a large differences in how one person quotes another. For example, when Paul said...
Be not deceived: Evil companionships corrupt good morals. [1 Corinthians 15:33]
...he was quoting Menander, a Greek poet, obviously on an occasion when something Menander said, fit in perfectly with the context of what Paul was saying to the Corinthians. And, since it was a sentiment expressed by one of their own writers (Corinth was a city near Athens, in Greece), it probably would have carried weight with the Greeks. However just because Menander\'s statement was true, does not mean that Paul ascribed Divine authority to it, nor does it mean that he endorsed everything the Greek author wrote. [See Footnote IV... Non-canonical Books Mentioned in the Bible]
Similarly, a modern Christian author can quote the Bible and, in the same sentence, quote another Christian. However this does not mean that he considers the words of the other Christian inspired, or inerrant.
A second factor to be taken into consideration is that there were often ...

Historical Errors in the Apocrypha... Ex. Judith and Tobit
The primary reason for which the books of the Bible were written was to provide us with all the knowledge necessary to practice true religion, and walk in God\'s paths. However they were written against a background of history as it really happened, which largely factors in the argument for the truth of the Scriptures. While historical accuracy does not \"prove\" the Bible\'s spiritual authority, it does enhance its credibility in non-historic areas, thus helping to substantiate its reliability. [See Section


\"There is no question of any one\'s having excluded them from the New Testament: They have done that for themselves. [17]

In the Introduction to Tobit, Judith, and Esther, even the Catholic New Jerusalem Bible says

\"The books all belong to the same type of literature. These stories treat history and geography with a good deal of freedom. (Pg. 622)

If the Apocrypha is accepted as Scripture, it then proves the Word of God can be errant and fallible. Thus, accepting the apocryphal books thoroughly undermines the biblical doctrine of inerrancy.


The Book of Judith
is a story in two parts. Chapters 1-7 tell the story of the war of the Assyrians against the Jews, during which the legendary city of Bethulia stood in the way of Assyrian conquest. Rather than using his armies to crush the city, General Holofernes decided to bring the people of this tiny community to their knees, by cutting off the water supply.

The second part (Chs. 8-16) tells of the deliverance by Judith, a widow as attractive as she is brave, who is upset with her Jewish countrymen for not trusting God to deliver them from their foreign would-be conquerors. She, and a loyal maid, go to General Holofernes\' camp, who is struck with her beauty. She tells Holofernes that, because the Israelites were under siege, they were getting desperate and were determined to eat those things that were forbidden by God\'s law, and that she had therefore fled from their presence. She added that she would pray every night until God revealed to her when they had committed their sin, upon which Holofernes could take his army into the town, and there would be none to resist him. (Chapter 11). Gaining his trust, she was allowed access to his tent one night as he lies in a drunken stupor. She decapitates him, then takes his head back to her fearful countrymen in Bethulia. The Assyrians, having lost their leader, disperse, and Israel is saved.

However, the book of Judith mistakenly identifies Nebuchadnezzar as king of the Assyrians, when he was, in reality, the King of Babylon, who never ruled from Nineveh.

In the twelfth year of the reign of Nabuchodonosor, who reigned in Nineve, the great city; in the days of Arphaxad, which reigned over the Medes in Ecbatane...Then Nabuchodonosor king of the Assyrians sent unto all that dwelt in Persia, and to all that dwelt westward, and to those that dwelt in Cilicia, and Damascus, and Libanus, and Antilibanus, and to all that dwelt upon the sea coast, [Judith 1:1,7]

The New Jerusalem Bible elaborates on this point, and adds a couple more.

\"The book of Judith in particular shows a bland indifference to history and geography. The scene is set in the time of \"Nebuchadnezzar who reigned over the Assyrians in the great city of Nineveh\" (Judity 1:1), but Nebuchadnezzar was king of Babylonia and Nineveh had been destroyed by Nabopolassar, his father. Despite this the return from exile under Cyrus is regarded as already having taken place (Judith 4:3, 5:19).

Whereas Holofernes and Bagoas have Persian names, there are also obvious allusions to Greek customs (3:7-8. 15:13).

We may add that the itinerary of Holofernes (Judith 2:21-2 is a geographical impossibility. Even when Holofernes reaches Samaria where we are on more familiar ground, the place names, though increasing in number, are largely unknown and have an unusual ring. Bethulia itself, the town around which the drama revolves, defies identification despite the apparent concern for details that should help us locate it.

The only explanation for this surprising indifference is that the authors are not trying to write history. No doubt they build on actual events, but we have no means of knowing what these were since the superstructure conceals them. But it is precisely this superstructure that is the real work of the author and conveys his message. The important thing is to discover the exact purpose of each book and to extract the teaching contained in it.

Jacob himself condemns the murder of the men of Shechem by two of his sons... Symeon and Levi, an incident related in Genesis 34.

Let not my soul come into their counsel, and let not mine inward parts contend in their conspiracy, for in their wrath they slew men, and in their passion they houghed a bull. Cursed be their wrath, for it was willful, and their anger, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.

Yet Judith 9:2 describes the murder as God\'s vengeance

O Lord God of my father Simeon, to whom thou gavest a sword to take vengeance of the strangers, who loosened the girdle of a maid to defile her, and discovered the thigh to her shame, and polluted her virginity to her reproach; for thou saidst, It shall not be so; and yet they did so:


The Book of Tobit
is the story a pious man of the tribe of Naphtali, who remained faithful to Jerusalem when his tribe followed Jeroboam, who set up two golden calves for people to worship, so that they would not go to Jerusalem to offer sacrifices (He felt that if they did their loyalties would once again switch to Rehoboam, king of Judah) (1 Kings 25-33). Tobit was taken captive and deported to Nineveh in the time of Enemessar (Shalmaneser), King of Assyria. There, in spite of his good works and habit of keeping himself from the food of the Gentiles, he went blind, but eventually found favour with the king, and so prospered.

Although there is very little in the book of Tobit that can be considered genuine history, defenders of Tobit have ascribed every historical error to either scribal error, or the condition of the texts we have.

Tobit claims to have been alive when Jeroboam revolted (931 B.C.) (Jeroboam, who reigned from about 931 to 910 BC was the first king of the northern Kingdom of Israel after the revolt). However the deportation to Nineveh occurred around 740 BC, some 200 odd years after Jeroboam\'s apostasy.

I Tobit have walked all the days of my life in the ways of truth and justice, and I did many alms deeds to my brethren, and my nation, who came with me to Nineveh, into the land of the Assyrians. And when I was in mine own country, in the land of Israel being but young, all the tribe of Nephthali my father fell from the house of Jerusalem, which was chosen out of all the tribes of Israel, that all the tribes should sacrifice there, where the temple of the habitation of the most High was consecrated and built for all ages. Now all the tribes which together revolted, and the house of my father Nephthali, sacrificed unto the heifer Baal. [Tobit 1:3-5. Emphasis Added]

Yet, Tobit only lived for about 158 years

Wherefore now, my son, consider what alms doeth, and how righteousness doth deliver. When he had said these things, he gave up the ghost in the bed, being an hundred and eight and fifty years old; and he buried him honourably. [Tobit 14:11]

Again, the Catholic New Jerusalem Bible acknowledges various problems,

According to the Book of Tobit, Tobit was a young man when the kingdom was divided at the death of Solomon (931), Tobit 1:4; he was deported with the tribe of Naphtali (734). Tobit 1:5, 10. His son did not die until after the fall of Nineveh (612), Tobit 14:5.

Similarly, Rhages is said to be in the hill country, only two days journey from Ecbatana in the plain (Tobit 5:6); in fact the altitude of Ecbatana (over 6000 feet) was much greater than that of Rhages which, moreover, was nearly two hundred miles away. (Pg. 622)

Also acknowledged by the new Jerusalem Bible is the fact that Tobit 5 says Sennacherib was the immediate successor of Shalmanseser. However, Sennacherib was the son of Sargon II, whom he succeeded on the throne of Assyria.


Comment on The Historical Inaccuracies
The New Jerusalem Bible says this of the

Re: The Canon of Scripture and The Apocrypha



Hi Bob,

Why did Jesus quote from the apopcrypha?

Why are Jesus's quotes in the bible referenced in the apopcrypha?

Why is Jude quoting Enoch ?


Please do your homework before posting a contrary opinion to the apopcrypha


I know you don't agree but please do your homework and AFTER you have reviewed the VIDEO's and commentary if you still disagree feel free to post opposing point of view.


Thanks!


God Bless

Steven

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Jude 1 - Rev 1:1
Jude

1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.


14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.



KJV

Re: The Canon of Scripture and The Apocrypha

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How Second Peter & Jude Were Designed to Authenticate the Book of Enoch & Vice-Versa.





The Book of Enoch & The Holy Bible Mini-Series

Enoch & The Holy Bible Complete Miniseries in it's Entirety!
Includes comparisons from the New Testament Holy Bible & The Old Testament Holy Bible in regards to the Book of Enoch.

The Book of Enoch or 1 Enoch
Complete Exhaustive Edition
Translated by R.H. Charles D. Litt., D.D.
Oxford at the Clarendon Press 1912













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Re: The Canon of Scripture and The Apocrypha

I guess if I cant post my thoughts here without being policed, I wont post anymore, sorry for trying to be part of this site, wishing you all the best, keep searching for the truth.

God Bless all, Bob.

Re: The Canon of Scripture and The Apocrypha



Hi Bob,

You can post but there are rules.....

Like watching the videos before commenting.

Also please keep all your arguments against the apopcrypha on this thread ok?

I have to moderate the site and I have to try to keep things from turning into every new post an argument against the apopcrypha so if you can post all your arguments against the apopcrypha on this thread that would be awesome!

Thanks if you decide to watch the videos and compare them to scripture I'm sure we ALL can glean from your comments.


By the way I'm not policing you but I am moderating the site.

I pray you will do your diligence and share your findings against the apopcrypha on this thread.

God Bless

Steven

Re: The Canon of Scripture and The Apocrypha

I have read the enclosed site and to say it is confusing is an understatement. So, I took this one paragraph here:

The Apocryphal Books Were Not "God-breathed"
Although they do contain some useful information, especially about the time period between Malachi and Matthew, both the Jews, and the Protestant Church, consider the apocrypha non-inspired, and do not include these books in the canon of Scripture, for several reasons... Without prophets and prophecy there can be no inspired writings, yet the apocryphal books give no internal evidence of being inspired or "God-breathed".


Enoch was called The Great Scribe. It is no wonder since he wrote 366 books. If he didn't write them under the inspiration and direction of God who had him brought up to heaven, I don't know who else in all of the Bible would compare. He was shown the workings of heaven in which the Book of Job, after his personal suffering God came and asked him questions about the heavens and it's workings.

1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said , 2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? 3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare , if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest ? Or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened ? Or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? 8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth , as if it had issued out of the womb? 9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it, 10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,


Reading the Book of Enoch is proof positive in itself of that there is none other than God Himself that revealed all that He did to Enoch who spoke to his son and the others to pay heed to these books, pass them down through the generations. Since you will read things written in that book that are repeated in the Bible itself, you will be left wondering how such a Book could have been left out of the Cannon. In fact, it was not initially but taken out later by men, men who were not under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit because God does not contradict Himself.