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Of Course there is still His Second Coming! That goes without saying, and I don't think I implied that Jesus has already come the Second time.
My main focus was to make sure believers realize He fulfilled all the feasts the first time. Quit making the Kingdom, and the fulfillment of Feast and the Law a future thing!! Maybe He will return on Trumpets, or Tabernacles, or the Last Great Day...no man knows the day or hour...so this is still speculative. What is for sure is that He fulfilled them with His Life!
David Smith does imply, rather strongly, that the Kingdom, and the fulfillment of the feasts and the Law are all future, and he does imply that those called and chosen are the ones that have fallen backward to the Old Covenant by keeping everything that Christ full fills!
I know you like this man Steven and his is the majority's view...maybe that is why the Lord has me on this site, to balance out the information and to show the other side of this, and to encourage each to find out for themselves
It sure is not making me popular!
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I thought about this and I would like to "add"
IF you have NOT watched or audited these videos about the FEAST of the LORD they may share some insight you may not have considered.
The SPRING FEAST were completed in actuality with
Jesus crucifixcation - Passover
Jesus burial = Unleaven Bread
Jesus ascending into heaven ( First Fruits )
Jesus sending the Holy Spirit ( Pentecost )
Still yet to be completed:
The FALL FEASTS
Rosh Hashanah = Last TRUMPET
Day of Atonement = Judgement day
Succoth - Tabernacles.
Please take the time to watch these videos and see if you are able to 'glean' anything from them.
I have posted them over and over yearly during the SPRING and FALL FEAST time periods as a reminder of what these days mean.
I am not a messianic Hebrew nor a Hebrew Roots person.
I merely share these to give you a perspective you may not have been aware.
I pray they bless you.
Thanks for your interest to "balance out"
I appreciate your motive.
I pray that you will let the HOLY SPIRIT speak to you and take the time to watch the videos to "balance out " what I'm trying to share as well.
I personally do not think the fall feasts have been completed.
We will find out soon right?
I have studied the Feasts of the Lord, intensely for years, many years before coming to this site. I used to see it as most do now...seen all the videos, read the books, and agreed with most everything being presented. It has not been until recently, while finding out for myself, that I have come to see it very differently.
I understand why you put these videos on this thread, as you are balancing it out the other way, back to majority view.
What you have presented here is without a doubt the most popular view out there at this time. Everywhere this is taking over and you can't go to any site that does not put it just the way you did...3 of the Feasts yet to be fulfilled. The way they are sharing, how these Feasts have not been fulfilled, proves understanding is lacking in some way. My question is how can they not see them as fulfilled!
I am very skeptical of mainstream trends of Being a follower of Christ, the wolves are looking even more like sheep the closer we get to His Second Coming.
Thanks for the videos, I hope those who watch them will compare them with what I have said on this issue, and come to their own conclusions.
One more thing Steven...
The first thought I had when listening to Pastor David Smith, is how great it would be to see a debate between him and Pastor Mike Hoggard! I think that would be a well matched and balanced discussion. Is Pastor Smith still alive? For some reason I thought he passed away.
Wish there were more such debates that could be watched, that would help out much!
Since you personally see the last 3 feast as unfilled by Jesus at His first coming, let me ask you this: Did you ever study the other side, of them being fulfilled at His First Coming? Are there some videos out there that present this side. If so I would be thrilled to see one. So, you see what I mean, not everyone has done that, and yet they still insist that they have not. Interesting.
I was just taking your lead based on your statement above:
Completing ALL the Feasts, when He ascends to the Right Hand of His Father and sends the Holy Spirit, at Pentecost.
Before anyone gets upset with the above statements, please realize I have not entirely studied this out, but am gathering information about it, and researching the Scriptures. This is but a short outline of what I am learning the more I look into this.
So since you state here you have NOT entirely studied this out I thought you might find it helpful.
Time will tell soon enough if what you present is true or not.
For anyone that wants to look at the videos and see some of the reasons why it's very possible to see JESUS Second coming and rapture around the feasts of trumpets : ( ie Rosh Hashanah )
Speculation points to September 20-21 2017 ( Rosh Hashanah )......Speculation....reserve the right to change speculated date.
The Feast do matter; they give the event and the timing of all prophecy totally fulfilled.
In Ezekiel 43:1-9 we see that Ezekiel was led to the Eastern Gate in Jerusalem, where he sees the Lord return from the east. When he returns, he complains that by their building their door-post by His door-post with only a wall between them, they defiled His Holy Name. OK, we know that the Eastern Gate remains closed to this day and will not be opened by man. Only the Messiah will once again come through that gate. I'll let you read the below scripture yourself to let God's Word prove that this is being told. Now, when was all of this being shown to Eziekel? For that go back to Chapter 40, which I will include at the bottom of this scripture here and you will find out just when this happens. Notice that this date given occurs on the 10th day of the 1st month, which would be the Feast of Tabernacles. The first day would be Rosh HaShanah, the first of the last three feasts followed by Yom Kippur and the third being the Feast of Tabernacles. This I say to show that the Feast do matter and in fact, give you the very time that the Lord's Glory Himself returns. So, let us remember to keep God's Word and pay attention to His Feasts. gerlinda
I have never said nor am I saying now, that the Feasts of the Lord are not important. Also I have clearly said there may be a dual fulfillment of the last 3 feasts, in my very first post on this thread.
What I am conveying is that ALL Feasts were already fulfilled by Christ at His first coming. That does not mean that there is not a dual meaning. A perfect example is Ezk. 43 1-9 that you used to show the fulfilling of the Feast of Tabernacles as future.
The description of New Jerusalem is future, but Jesus made it so that each one born again already resides there. We have that living water that flows from Him.
Remember when Jesus was attending this very feast and at the high point of the festival He cries out "If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink." What Jesus is offering is the very FULFILLMENT of the very things they are celebrating!
His offer shows he is far more than just a prophet or an agent; here we have God himself offering us life.
That heavenly water of life is already available through Jesus!
In offering them the Spirit he is claiming that the age to come has already arrived!
A river flows from the temple in Ezek 47. Ezekiel's vision has begun to be fulfilled in Jesus' offer in the temple, and it will come to completion in heaven in "the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb" (Rev 22:1). His invitation at the Feast of Tabernacles is repeated in the invitation at the end of the book of Revelation: "Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life" (Rev 22:17).
I hope this gives you a clearer picture of what I am saying. Jesus fulfilled what was being celebrated at all the Feasts of the Lord at His first Coming, not just the last 4. What most are seeing as the last three, are the first 3 He fulfilled! I know this is a lot to take in, but I am working on proving that Jesus fulfilled these, so called yet to be fulfilled feasts, beginning with Trumpets and ending with Pentecost.
I have a lot of work to do, but I know He did this, and the more I study the clearer it all gets. I am one of those Bible students that IS finding out for myself, and reporting what I am finding. I thought that was an important part of what this site is, encouraging each to do the research and put in the time to really find out. I come to a conclusion from my own research, before I look for the studies of others that have brought them to the same place.
Again, I am not saying there is not a dual fulfillment, as shown here with the Feast of Tabernacles. But Jesus did make it possible for every jot and tittle of the Law, and the Feasts, and every prophecy about Him to be fulfilled by what He did at the Cross.
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Sorry you must believe that you responded to my comments
On one hand you said you did not have it all figured out
On the other hand you said you have studied this entirely and all the FEASTS of the LORD have been completed.
Then on a third hand you are now saying that the prophecies have dual meaning?
Would you mind tiding up your comments so we can have a better understanding of YOUR position?
I made it clear I DO NOT think that the FEASTS of the LORD have all been completed yet in the future tense.
That is WHY I said JESUS Second coming has NOT happened yet....
That is why I said that the JUDGMENT ( day of atonement ) has not been fulfilled yet.
That is why I said that Succout ( Tabernacles ) has not been fulfilled yet.
Sometimes we can over think something ?
I know you said you have studied this deeply correct?
So could you tell me how or why the Videos of Mark Biltz explain the FEASTS of the LORD and how the future fulfillment by JESUS is incorrect?
I'm only pressing the point since I have NO idea what you think about JESUS SECOND COMING ( Feast of Trumpets, Rosh Hashanah )
Jesus FINAL JUDMENT DAY ( DAY OF ATONEMENT )
JESUS fulfillment of TABERNACLES ( I know you think that there is NOT a millennium reign )
But I just don't see it.......
Here is your opportunity to use scripture ( LIKE THE VIDEOS I POSTED SHARE SCRIPTURE after SCRIPTURE ) making the points that I have shared.
Sometimes trying to make something there that is not there can be very misleading as well so I look forward to you sharing scripturally why what I have presented is incorrect.
Quote from my very first post on this thread.
"Also, I am not saying that there maybe a dual fulfillment in someway, but either way, Jesus did fulfill all the feasts of the Lord, at His first Coming and during His Life and Ministry."
So, from the get go I said there could be a dual fulfillment.
I should not have given a summary of what I was studying and working on before I presented a study on each of the Feasts in question. But, I certainly gave a good example in what I am saying in my response to Gerlinda about the Feast of Tabernacles. I think I made it perfectly clear, by showing how Jesus fulfilled this feast at His first Coming, and I will show more in depth about this and the other two.
NO ...I am not saying the second coming has already happened.
NO ... I am not saying the Judgement has already happened.
If I had known this was going to get so misunderstood and twisted out of shape, I would never have responded at all. Honestly Steven, I don't think you are even trying to understand what I am saying and that is fine. I will start over and just take one feast at a time, and be very clear about it. Excuse me for presenting something before I had written the studies, that is one mistake that I will not make again as it is time consuming and frustrating to keep having to explain myself.
Wish I could just find a video about it! ha! So do you I am sure.
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Your comments made it very very unclear and complicated.
I even gave you some videos to help you but you refused to watch them
IF you took the time to view them then maybe....just maybe you might find some answers.
The videos also could be viewed then reading the book by Marvin Rosenthal I think published back in 1998 could go a long ways to unraveling some of the questions but since you are ADAMANT NOT to watch the videos it's really impossible to consider that you are willing to take a full study of the subject since the videos are or should be considered regardless of what you currently believe if you really want to do some research on this topic.* at least a thorough research of the FEASTS of the LORD.
I'm sorry but I will have to post when you do post on the feast of the LORD and WILL include the Videos for others to at least have that information to 'balance' or add to whatever you do conclude from your research.
Hi Pattie, This subject does not have to be contentious if we let the Word of God speak for itself. There is one sentence you said that I believe causes you to believe the age is already here.
Per your quote
Thank you for responding. I am taking a few days away from this topic as it has been draining in a way it should not be, yet at the same time revealing important issues about people. I need a spiritual vacation of just me and the Lord and my Bible...and I am going to take it.
So, this response from me, will be the last on this issue until I am ready to present proof from His Word of what I am trying to convey about the feasts.
You brought up this quote from my letter to you. I am going to explain what is meant by this statement.
"In offering them the Spirit he is claiming that the age to come has already arrived!"
For those who accepted His offering, they are already in the Age to come, already residing in the Kingdom Of God as His Spirit becomes Lord of their lives.
This is a very small number of people in the history of this world; this is the Remnant of all those called chosen, and faithful. All those that not only hear His Voice, but also obeys it.
Nothing in this world takes precedence over that, we count all in this life for nothing, and give up all claim to self. Until then, no one rests in God, no matter how many sabbaths and feast days they keep.
Jesus tells us that living in Spirit and Truth is more important than not eating pig! That He is more important to obey, than the traditions of men, even if those traditions were in honor of Him!
The biggest problem with understanding the Spiritual nature of the Word of God, is that intelligence is still in control of the self life of a person. One must be fully surrendered to the Lord until our will becomes His and His Spirit rules over the mind, not the other way around! The servant (the mind) is not above the Master (Spirit).
Thank you Gerlinda, you gave good commentary on how you see the future fulfillment of this.
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The Words of God given to man include much more than the 66 Books of the Bible. So, it is a great error to omit them, especially the Book of Enoch which includes 366 books of Wisdom and Instruction that could only have come from God himself. Enoch was take up to Heaven on the first day of Tsivan, stayed 60 days. He returned where he spend his final 30 days; whereupon he gave those books to his son Methuselah with instruction to pass them along to the following generations to teach them the instructions from the very throne of God. Why would such important writings be kept out of the Bible? Do you suppose it was because Enoch lived during the days of the Fallen Angels upon earth. Those Fallen Angels, who co-habited with the human women of Canaan and produced off-spring no longer containing the pure DNA given to humans by God and revealed the Secrets of Heaven, asked Enoch to intervene on their behalf which he did since he did have access to the Throne of God. Well, we know the answer; God refused and had the original 200 leaders chained up. Enoch had first hand truths about what transpired. So, this is one Building Block left out on purposes. This site has given much space and encouragement to listen to the videos and writings concerning The Books of the Apocrypha. Do yourself a huge favor and received much blessings by looking into them.
Are All men created equal? NO!
"The Lord Himself created human in-significant and significant". Chapter 41 of Enoch. That brings up the scripture that says, "Many are called but few are Chosen". Matthew 22:14 This very fact alone is extensively covered by David Smith who uses scripture after scripture to prove why Jesus said He had come to the House of Israel. The House of Israel did have individuals that went back to the House of Judah but as a whole, they were scattered into all four corners of the world where God will regather them. The Land of Israel may be called "Israel" today but it is no stretch of the imagination to know that this Stick of the Northern Kingdom has not joined the Stick of the Southern Kingdom Judah yet thus it is a great error to blindly support the Zionist Movement, which most of the Modern Church Movement under the guidance of the Jesuits, are promoting. Warning: You have no idea what you are supporting. Don't you know that Israel, the State, was created by those that call themselves Jews but are of the Synagogue of Satan? Take the time and research who all those are that had their hands in this. You will find that they are those that call themselves Jews but are not; the Rothschilds and other Illuminati families hope to reclaim the land and the place of God's feet, Jerusalem, for themselves. What did Jesus call them? Yep! The Synagogue of Satan. He called them that because they returned from Babylon and brought with them the Traditions of Man and pagan worship
Jesus Christ didn't come to those Jews at that time but Unto the Whole House of Israel who had been scattered and will someday be brought back. In fact Hosea 6:"Come, and let us return unto the Lord". What do you suppose Hosea is stating here? This is where David Smith's teachings on the two 1/2 tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh, who are included in the Northern Kingdom and were dispersed into all the world, needs to be understood. The UK, with it's all of it's once Power Structure, and America are Covenant nations. There never was such a nation, like America, whose blessing was foretold would be given to Manasseh, the younger of the two brothers. Can that be refuted? So, how is it that they are known by that term (Covenant Nations) if it isn't from the Hand of God Himself. How many Christians have even considered that they could be part of those tribes and have been Chosen to receive the Redemption that came through Christ Jesus when their Brethren, the Jews of Judah, who make up the areas around Jerusalem, are still blind and won't wake up to the truth until just before Christ's return when they will say, "Blessed is He that Cometh in the Name of the Lord."
The very same corrupt Roman church that omitted these books are the ones that did not want mankind to know that the seed of the Fallen Angels live among them, through religious and political power. It is this off-spring that will be the ones that bring about the End Time One World Order. We have generations of people who are awed by the Illuminati Kings, Queens and their off-spring who are in positions of power, don't we? They have worked to bring this pomp and awe, by the masses, upon themselves. You cannot get the depth of this indwelling by Satan into humanity by just reading the King James in it's present content. It is like keeping the mice chewing on the cheese which leads to the trap set for them. They believe they have nothing to worry about because of the "False Facts of the Trap", which is the teaching that a Rapture will take place 7 years prior to some 7 year Tribulation Period. But getting back to who and what make up The House of Israel.
Moses, many years before, said of Israel in Deuteronomy 32:5 that they were:-"A perverse and crooked generation".Incidentally, note the use of the word generation here, meaning Israel as it does in Matthew 24:34 where Jesus confirms that this 'generation' (Israel) "Shall not pass, (away) till all these things (The Second Advent) be fulfilled". Asaph, in Psalm 78:8 calls Israel:-"...a stubborn and rebellious generation". We have the Churches teaching that they, the Gentiles, are that generation when it is very clear that this is the House of Israel, who is made up of the grafted in Gentiles. Again, here is where David Smith's outstanding teaching of "Many Are Called But Few Are Chosen" deals with these people and this generation. To teach that that there are two different Dispensations, one Gentile "the church" and the other Israel is a great error. The two are intertwined within the House of Israel who didn't even know their lineage yet the Gospel went to them and the accepted AND they ran with it through Missionaries. Don't you just know how the Vatican hated that? God used His Own Rebellious people in fulfilling the commission given to the 70 Disciples that were sent out to spread His Word. Knowing this truth is another proof that the believers are here just prior to God's Wrath BECAUSE the Church/Body of Christ are the natural and grafted-in of the Olive Tree of which Christ Jesus is the Root. This brings us to the 70th Week of Daniels.
The 70th week of Daniel. Who is the "He"?
I will insert here a paragraph taken from one of the post on Rapturebibleprophecyforum