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While JESUS was alive, He prayed to His Father: "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.  John 17:15 (KJV)

JESUS gave signs of what must happen before His Return:  "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"  Matt. 24:29 (KJV)

 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:   Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." I Thess. 4:16-17 (KJV)

"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed."  I Corin. 15:52

The "Resurrection" has been erroneously labeled The "Rapture". 

  9 For God/JESUS hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by JESUS



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Acts 17:10-12

10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

Luke 21:25-28

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.






John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things

Ps 122:6

Psa. 122:6   Pray  shalom Jerusalem:3389/3384 (to flow as waters):  prosper love. 7 Peace be within thy walls, and prosperity within thy palaces. 8 For my brethren and companions’ sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee. 9 Because of the house of the LORD our God I will seek thy good.


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Re: So You Know That We Are Israel, What Next?

Dear Steven,

Of course I listened to the video, I would not comment on a thread that I did not listen to or read. I did not comment on the video directly as the things I objected to were covered by Linda and Gerlinda. I object to the so called Lost tribes being England and USA, and that they won't be brought together until after His Second Coming, that was discussed in the video, and how Jesus died so we could have a relationship with God via the Old Covenant, and nothing was mentioned about how Jesus brought a new way to have a relationship with God. Nothing was said about the New Covenant, or how one must be born again, or how the New Covenant was between God and Christ, and becomes the ONLY WAY that we can keep the Law.

And I disagree completely with Mr. Smith's assertion that America is being destroyed because everyone is not keeping the Law via the works of the Old Covenant. This is being proved wrong as there are more people now keeping the Old Covenant feasts and sabbath keeping then ever before in our history and this country could not be in worse shape. So, this certainly is not the reason! The reason is that we are perverting the Gospel with all this return to the carnal WAY of relationship with God!

Jesus died so that we could have a better Way to have relationship with God, by dying to self and giving Him our lives!! This being born again is the only way, not the way of physically keeping the Law,but now spiritually keeping it. In Christ we are able to keep the Law, as no one, not one human being was able to keep until the New way was provided by His sacrifice and resurrection.

I then objected to Linda saying that only our past sins were forgiven which is absolute nonsense, as if that were true, we would all fail and keep falling short of salvation! But she is so convinced that the old Covenant is so much better than the New, I guess it makes sense to her. I am so grateful that this is not so, because no one is sinless even after salvation!! Jesus became the Law and the only way we can keep it! And still we fall short, but that is not what God sees in us, He now only sees His Son in us, and therefore our sins our covered by His blood.

Do I keep the Law? Yes I do, to the best of my ability, in giving all my life to Christ. I am able to do this because Jesus is the Way to the Holy Spirit that convicts me of sin, and leads me to repent. The Law was never done away with...just the way to keep it changed, and Christ is a better way! He is the ONLY WAY to a relationship with God!

So, I guess I disagreed with everyone on this thread, and was just going to ignore commenting on the video, until the things I disagreed with were touted as the best parts of it by those who did comment.

Iron does sharpen iron, and in that regard I was providing the opposition necessary for that to take place. I know I am passionate about this, but truly I have no choice. I appreciate being able to share what I have learned, and to counter act what I think is not truth.

Thanks Steven!

Patti C.

Re: So You Know That We Are Israel, What Next?

A covenant is an agreement between two parties. There are two types of covenants: conditional and unconditional. A conditional or bilateral covenant is an agreement that is binding on both parties for its fulfillment. Both parties agree to fulfill certain conditions. If either party fails to meet their responsibilities, the covenant is broken and neither party has to fulfill the expectations of the covenant. An unconditional or unilateral covenant is an agreement between two parties, but only one of the two parties has to do something. Nothing is required of the other party.

The Abrahamic Covenant is an unconditional covenant. God made promises to Abraham that required nothing of Abraham. Genesis 15:18-21 describes a part of the Abrahamic Covenant, specifically dealing with the dimensions of the land God promised to Abraham and his descendants.

God determined to call out a special people for Himself through whom He would bring blessing to all the nations. The Abrahamic Covenant is paramount to a proper understanding of the kingdom concept and is foundational to Old Testament theology. (1) The Abrahamic Covenant is described in Genesis 12:1–3 and is an unconditional covenant. There are no conditions attached to it (no “if” clauses, suggesting its fulfillment is dependent on man). (2) It is also a literal covenant in which the promises should be understood literally. The land that is promised should be understood in its literal or normal interpretation—it is not a figure of heaven. (3) It is also an everlasting covenant. The promises that God made to Israel are eternal.

Now, here is where the problem lies in understanding who these special people are. Remember, this Covenant was unconditional so it does not depend upon what the Israelites did and did not do. God keeps His Word.

It seems that the promise of many children given to Abraham who were children of the Promise was going unfulfilled so Sarah took matters into her own hands and gave her Egyptian hand-maiden to Abraham. But, we know the story that later Sarah, in her old age, finally gave birth to Isaac who, legally, held the promise to the Land. And the First-born son and his mother Hagar were forced to leave (but not without their own blessing) Then the next generation through which this Covenant would pass came through Isaac who had twin sons. Again, we see a twist in the rule of The First Born. Isaac's first born Essau did not relish his right as the Keeper of the Stick that represented the legal owner of the Land. We know the story of how Jacob, with the help of his mother, managed to finagle this Stick that signified who the Rightful heir to the Land belonged, away from Essau. Please remember that these were twin boys, same mother and same father. It was really God's plan to have Jacob possess the Land but God kept his promise of blessing the other son with much land; in fact, much more land than Jacob inherited.

But, that is not the issue here. We know that Jacob's name was changed to Israel. Jacob had 12 sons. Let's quickly jump to Joseph who landed up in Egypt as a slave and ultimately the second in power to the Throne of Egypt. He married an Egyptian woman who had twin sons. The oldest was Manasseh with Ephraim the youngest. After Joseph once again met up with his father Jacob and his brothers,. Jacob, adopted Joseph's two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim, to share in Jacob's inheritance equally with Jacob's own sons. Again, the Land blessing was given to the younger son, Ephraim, rather than Manasseh.

So, what does this all mean? It means after the Land of Israel (the name given to Jacob) became divided into two Kingdoms due to Solomon's great sins against the God of his fathers. The Northern Kingdom included the 10 tribes and the Southern Kingdom included Judah and Benjamin. Levi, the priestly tribe was part of all the tribes.

If you are still with me, please remember that the Northern Kingdom, called Israel, was conquered by the Assyrians and thus scattered. Where did they scatter? Mainly to the north and west, thus into the Land of Russia and Europe, with it's many people. They were already out of the Land of Israel at the time of the coming of Jesus Christ.

The Southern Kingdom called Judah remained until after the time of Christ's Coming and fulfillment of the AD 70 destruction of their Temple. Jesus Christ visited Jerusalem, was constantly being challenged by Sanhedrin, the religious body that held power in the Land. By, the way, that Court did not exist after AD 70 but came back to power in 2004. Isn't that telling?

When, in Daniel 27, it speaks about the Covenant being confirmed, Daniel is told that He (Christ) would come and confirm the Covenant made with many. Who are the many? And, right on time, Christ came, was anointed as The Prince of that Covenant at His Baptism in the Jordan. He began His 3 1/2 year minister, which ended at the Cross.

But what did Jesus Christ tell His disciples? "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 15:24 KJB Did you notice that Jesus didn't say He came unto the House of Judah but unto the "LOST SHEEP" of the House of Israel? Where did Israel go? That's right...north and west. These are your "many". If you read your Bible, you will see that the two sons of Joseph received the greatest blessings of possessing much land and wealth. In fact, after WWII, the two sons, did possess 95% of the Land Mass and wealth, including the Door-ways (ports) to these land masses. So, that prophecy was fulfilled. Who are Manasseh and Ephraim? As crazy as it may sound to you, the Bible's prophecy and history shows that the blessing was given to Great Britian (Manasseh) and the younger brother, Ephraim is the United States, born out of the Great Britain, Manasseh. Does it surprise you to know that the USA is not an independent nation? They are both of the CommonWeath Nations, the Nations of the Covenant. What Covenant? Go back to the top and read it again. There is no other nations that fulfill this promise given to Joseph's two sons.

What about Judah? Judah wasn't given that blessing. Judah, to this day, remains entrenched in the small area of the Southern Kingdom where sits Jerusalem, in the territory of Benjamin. Judah refused her Messiah and will stay apart until they can come to grips with the fact that Jesus Christ is their Messiah as well as the Messiah of those of the Northern Tribe who spread into the world, where they intermarried with Gentiles. So, truthfully, Israel doesn't know who she is but it will be revealed to them someday. The House of Israel has been the single greatest fulfillment of spreading the Good News of God's Word. It is not the Jews that did this but the Northern Tribe of Israel.

So, what is the problem? The Stick of Land Possession does belong to Israel (Lost Tribes). And while the leadership is not legal, many of the settlers are doing what they are suppose to do, go back and possess the Land. But The Stick of Kingship belongs to Judah. So, those two sticks are not yet joined.

We have those who call themselves Jews, who are of the Synagogue of Satan, who are not genetically of the House of Israel at all but only in the fact that they became converts to the Religion of Babylonian Judaism, have they muddled the term of Jews so thickly that few can distinguish who is what and if the term is even correct. These are the Edomites, whose jealous determination to get what he thinks is his, which he believes was stolen by Israel, have intermarried with the Northern Tribes of Europe. This mixture of the Assyrian also includes the Roman, Greek, Tribe of Dan, who is left out of the inheritance because of apostasy. These are the present rulers of the world's nations which they created and divided up after WWII. These nations are bringing about their New World Order and their One World Religion that serves Satan. These make up the United Nations. Do you see it?

They are determined to rebuild the temple, put their demonic leader on the throne, claim the land for himself and rule the world as Satan had said he would do. And who is it that is helping this Zionist Movement?

So, think about the Covenant. Who was the only qualified person who could confirm that Covenant with His own coming? Is it A/C or is it Jesus Christ? Who is it, that by His death on the cross, paid the Redemptive Price? Was it A/C or was it Jesus Christ? Who is it that will come again to destroy these evil doers? Is it A/C or is it Jesus Christ?

Scripture and common sense tells you that this World System has done a masterful job of convincing the Christians that the one that will confirm the Covenant is A/C. And in order to convince the House of Israel (The Lost Sheep) that this is still in the future, the lie about a pre-tribulation is taught so that their eyes are on escaping the A/C instead of hanging onto the promise that Jesus Christ will not appoint His Sheep, whom He was sent to Redeem/Save, from the Wrath of God.

I hope you will look at the video enclosed here by David Smith. View it with a whole different mind-set; one that clearly is telling you that the two greatest nations ever to rule the world are the Two Covenant Nations who have been infiltrated by the United Nations/Edomites to steal the two sticks of Land Ownership and Kingship.

Only after the Return of Jesus Christ will these two sticks be united into One.


Re: So You Know That We Are Israel, What Next?

Hi Everyone,

The comments posted on this thread seem a bit off the video.

Some of the comment's seem to want to prove or make a point that is not necessarily what the 'original video' was making so I will try not to let this thread get hijacked by making this point.

Instead of trying to make your point or comment trying to promote your own agenda try to go back and re listen to the video.

Try NOT to make a point that you have made on "OTHER" posts.

"IF" you want to make a point about your personal position on a topic please feel free to start a NEW THREAD.

This video had a lot to say that could be very edifying but it seems that each person is trying to make a point that is indirectly made from this video.

YES we do try to keep the Sabbath but do we ? ( NO and it will not keep us out of heaven )

Should we all be aware of the FEASTS OF THE LORD? YES they are the FEASTS of the LORD.( see: Leviticus 23 )

WHO IS ISRAEL? ( don't ask a dispensationalist: Pre tribber: they do not from my experience KNOW who is ISRAEL. (it's not those who say they are jews but are not who worship at the synagogue of satan ) SEE "Zionist occultic connection on this site )

The star of David is NOT what you think it is. ( see star of david occultic six pointed hexagram )

Many pastors are either willfully ignorant or teach a false doctrine because they have been brainwashed from seminaries and pass it on to the flock to keep the sheep in the 'dark'. Whether they do it for self gain or from ignorance they will be held accountable before God.






This video by Pastor David J Smith does use biblical evidence as well as historic evidence as to WHO is the 10 lost tribes of ISRAEL. ( NORTHERN ISRAEL ) Please take the time to re listen to this video/message after praying for the leading of the HOLY SPIRIT and ask for a teachable 'spirit' to grow in the GRACE and knowledge to SEE , UNDERSTAND what God would have you to glean from this video/message.


Gerlinda, thank you for your summation of this video/ message. I pray that your comments will encourage others to hear the whole video message and come away with more understanding of scripture.


Lastly I pray that anything you hear, read or watch on this site will , exhort , edify or encourage you to read your bible, to see if what is shared on this site is TRUE.

All of us see dimly ( including me! ) I pray that God through the HOLY SPIRIT will teach us more each day!

I can't tell you how much I have learned in the last few years because of reading the book of enoch, jasher, jubilee, first book of adam and eve, ( and other books of the apopcrypha )

Listening, watching videos or reading books by Joe Ortiz, Steve Wohlberg, Gary Demar, Marvin Rosenthal, Robert Van Kampen, Rhett Totten, Dewey Bruton, Oswald Sanders, and Mark Biltz to name a few. ( I have read many more than these many , many more )

All of them have been very good to help me to go back to the BIBLE and see if what they said LINED UP with SCRIPTURE.

These and more have helped me to grow I have along way to go!

Without a firm foundation of reading your bible though and the leading of the HOLY SPIRIT are you able to sift through all the information and see through all the deception in these last days.

I pray that we would ALWAYS have a heart to grow and glean from each other and NEVER be too 'SET' in our ways that we can not learn something each day.

I appreciate all of the comments on this site and my prayer is that all comments would help people visiting this site to WANT TO READ THE BIBLE to see if what is said on this site is TRUE.

God Bless


Do the work of an evangelist! Preach the WORD in season and out of season.


2 Tim 4:1 -
2 Timothy 4

4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
9 Do thy diligence to come shortly unto me:
10 For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.
11 Only Luke is with me. Take Mark, and bring him with thee: for he is profitable to me for the ministry.
12 And Tychicus have I sent to Ephesus.
13 The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments.
14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:
15 Of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly withstood our words.
16 At my first answer no man stood with me, but all men forsook me: I pray God that it may not be laid to their charge.
17 Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.
18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
19 Salute Prisca and Aquila, and the household of Onesiphorus.
20 Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick.
21 Do thy diligence to come before winter. Eubulus greeteth thee, and Pudens, and Linus, and Claudia, and all the brethren.
22 The Lord Jesus Christ be with thy spirit. Grace be with you. Amen.


Re: So You Know That We Are Israel, What Next?

Hi Patti,

Good article, I think that article would apply the post on 2 Esdras as well.

Thanks again!

Here is the link to 2 Esdras if you have not heard it.

2 Esdras [4th Ezra] Complete Read along Audiobook

An Apocryphal text found within the Old Testament Greek Septuagint Holy Bible. Narrated at a leisurely pace to allow for reflection


God Bless


Re: So You Know That We Are Israel, What Next?

I am sorry EVERYONE!

This is what I see as the problem here concerning much of what I have written especially. Yes, I viewed the video, and David spoke MUCH about what needs to be done NOW that EVERYBODY knows they are Israel, here in America and Great Britain. But what I wrote, and being the first to respond in a positive way was scrutinized and made out to be a target "to someone" and pressing my views. While this was the main point of his discussion, because of the question he had been asked. All I was doing was encouraging others to view it, "though I disagreed with some of what he was saying", and to take heed.

I objected to things he said but didn't go off on a tangent because of it and just chose to glean from the other points he made. There are a lot of things posted here that I may not agree with but do I answer ever last one of them with harshness and defiance, no. It is as if everything has to be cleared through the very few people here that post, in order for those around the world that come to visit,read or view videos, have to try somehow to get pass the cloud of argument and division. By the time that settles, the whole of the message is trashed!!

My goal posting here, I thought, was to send a point of view many of us may not be aware of. To awaken many to the truth that has been hidden. To awaken people around the world of things we all could go and "investigate ourselves" to uncover what has been hidden: The Apocrypha, the true people of the book, what the commonwealth of Israel really is. I wasn't seeking to convince, but to encourage everyone around the world to go and seek for themselves what the truth really is. I have ALWAYS asked that you research, research, research...because that's what it takes for anyone to come to their own conclusion as to the truth of a matter. Truth, causes one to change, yes! And we can all agree that we have clearly been able to see that Satan HAS deceived the WHOLE WORLD! Knowing this, we must ask ourselves what truth is and are we really ready to handle the truth?

But what has happened here in my experience, is to try to work the maze of discontent around those who have not yet learned to glean what can be gleaned from the information presented, and to move forward without a total abandonment of Christ like calm, to unbridled harsh and ungodly attack and for the whole world to see.

The Christian church is made up of many, many denominations and this is where we all supposedly as a whole body...PART WAYS! We don't agree with them on this and they don't agree with us on that. This all has NOTHING to do with Christ and what HE was all about. This is why we call each other heretics, anti-semetic, cults, and every other thing we can think of...because we cannot simply glean what is being said from another persons point of view.

So, I apologize to everyone for attempting to bring something else to the table of discussion and arousing such contention that the message was misconstrued as divisive.

I thank the Most High for what he has done in me and what He is continuing to do, and prayerfully through the writings I have contributed here did reach the heart He had prepared to receive it.

May the Most High bless each and every one here and those throughout the world who are coming here to visit, with an ear for truth and the courage to glean from what is being presented. I pray that all will research whatever it is they disagree with and respond with a loving and kind heart with scripture and historical facts, then we can appreciate how the iron sharpens iron.

Blessings to All,

Blessed Be His Name

Re: So You Know That We Are Israel, What Next?

Hi Linda,

Thank you as always you have made it more clear what I was trying to convey.

This site get's a lot of visitors and if we could only encourage others to READ THEIR bible, pray for the HOLY SPIRIT to guide them we would all be so blessed by this.

So much that has been taught in the pulpits by different denominations has been so perverted from the bible that we most definitely need to be lead by the HOLY SPIRIT when reading our bibles.

Let God be TRUE and every man a liar.

Study the bible to shew yourself approved.

The bible is the INERRANT WORD OF GOD.

JESUS is God's Son ( JESUS is God ) Jesus is the ONLY way to salvation * John 14:6

The HOLY SPIRIT will teach you ALL things.

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

God Bless

We are NOT appointed to Wrath.
There is No 7 year pre tribulation bible verse
There is No 7 year pre tribulation Rapture.

Re: So You Know That We Are Israel, What Next?