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While Yahusha/JESUS was alive, He prayed to His Father: "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.  John 17:15 (KJV)

Yahusha/JESUS gave signs of what must happen before His Return:  "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"  Matt. 24:29 (KJV)


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Re: FUTURISM: FACT OR FOLLY? (Dating the Book of Revelation)

Dear John,

How did I know that you would pop up and respond to this? But thank you for this opportunity to prove my case and point.

First of all, your total summation of Futurism is this: "Futurism is a fact." No supporting Scriptures or in anyway disproving what the study I presented was saying. Nope! Just a few simple words from a man who is a futurist. Sorry that certainly does not convince me that you are in anyway correct.

What does convince me is searching the Scriptures with the aid of the Holy Spirit, and continuing to learn and grow in my knowledge of the truth. My coming to the conclusions that I have come to here is the result of a long processes of doing just that. You see, before I started on this journey of finding out for myself, I was a futurist, and in a big way! So, to now see all this in such a different light was not something I thought would happen, but I cannot and will not deny that it has.

Let me explain about the "temple" issue. Since you know my writings so well it should be easy for you to understand this. I have always placed a major focus on it being " finished at the Cross", and was convinced that Jesus brought in the New Covenant at this time. I still do, but I was missing something and had not learned what it was until listening to Jonathan Welton explain Matthew 24. Then it hit me, I was seeing the establishing of the New Covenant, but I had not taken into consideration the ending of the Old, and how greatly this impacts Bible eschatology.

I have not in any way changed my mind about the the temple of the New Covenant being spiritual and within each born again believer! That is a fact. What I have learned is that the ending of the Old Covenant took 40 years to fade away, and how this ending is described perfectly in the Book of Revelation, and not only that, it was foretold throughout much of the Old as well as the New Testaments! Once understanding this, it opened the way to a much more complete understanding of Scripture. Therefore, I do see the Temple mentioned in Rev.11(not as you said Rev. 12) as being the physical temple of the Old Covenant, because it was still standing when John wrote the Book of Revelation, and has much to do with the passing away of the Old Covenant.

There is no contradiction in that understanding, just a growth in my own comprehension of what the Scriptures are truly conveying.

As to using secular historians to prove Preterism, and going outside the Bible, that is a weak argument to say the least!! Are you saying that Futurism does not go outside the Bible and look at secular events as proving biblical Scriptures? Futurists that still see God's chosen people as those who practice the religion of Judaism that denies Christ came in the flesh? Futurists that see themselves as the generation that Christ was speaking to in regards to the ending of the Old Covenant? Where in the Bible are futurists getting their information? Most of what you call future has been fulfilled and can be proved right there in the text of the Word, when taken it it's proper context. So, you see, I think your position is one that is outside of Scripture much more than one that can be found right within its pages!

I think you have much more work to do to prove that futurism is a fact! Prove it biblically John, don't just offer your biased opinion, as it goes against your argument that I should not believe the opinions of men, especially a man who does not support that opinion with any valid proof.

Truthfully you are a good example of how futurists debate with preterists, they offer little but preconceived notions based on worldly events, and when that fails they attack the person and not the issue.

We are all learning and growing, no one has ALL TRUTH, and this is what we are doing here on this forum, sharing what we are learning and supporting it with the Word. So if you are going to disagree with my understanding at least be respectful enough to me, and to your position, to offer Scriptural support, and to address the topics being discussed. Because honestly John, your opinion means nothing without doing that.

JESUS IS ALL AND EVERYTHING!!

Patti C.








Re: FUTURISM: FACT OR FOLLY? (Dating the Book of Revelation)

Patti understand that there is a difference between guarding the Word and attacking the person. I am always doing the former, if you are feeling attacked I can assure you that your understanding of my work is in error

You say I am voicing opinion but this is false as it is a fact that jewish wars is not the Word of God and has no place in understanding the Word of God. You are under the impression that I need to address every point you make here but this is also error- if the foundation of your doctrine is sand then it doesn't matter what you use to build the parts of the house.

You say no one has all understanding and I wouldn't disgree. But this doesn't mean I don't know what I know, and what I know is all I need is the Word of God.

Look a man says to me 'i seek knowledge of God- I seek TRUTH. I hand him a bible and say 'this will be all the teaching you need' - but what do you say

I say to the churches the bible is all the words you need. But what do you say? Does the man need for you to give him morebooks?

Is the Word of God perfect? Or is it lacking? Are we busy stapling josephus jewish wars to the revelation?

Re: FUTURISM: FACT OR FOLLY? (Dating the Book of Revelation)

Look I don't know who understands the law by the Spirit but what you are doing is bringing a stranger into the Holy Place. I am already in there and I am standing up and asking 'who is this man what have you done?'

My counsel is this: the Lord is on His way, I would remove this stranger from His sanctuary before He arrives. He has a very strong dislike of bringing in strangers to His Temple and I do not know these men you are bringing in, and neither does the WORD which makes no mention of them

Re: FUTURISM: FACT OR FOLLY? (Dating the Book of Revelation)

John,

I am just amazed at the lengths you go to make yourself seem all knowing and only into Biblical truth when you use not one word of Scripture!!

I do not seek your counsel, and have no need of it as I have the ultimate Counselor in Jesus and His Spirit. I rest and trust in that.

I have plainly stated my position and standby what I said. You do not address anything about how your futuristic position is fact or valid, just a bunch of holier than thou mumbo jumbo. In all honesty you give Futurism a bad name if you are an example of one holding to that belief.

Tell you what. Be brave enough to post your own study proving that all of Revelation is future and I will show you how to debate an issue using only the Bible. I have little hope that you will take that challenge, but being so Bible centric makes you the perfect candidate.

JESUS IS ALL AND EVERYTHING!!

Patti C.

Re: FUTURISM: FACT OR FOLLY? (Dating the Book of Revelation)

Dear John,

Sorry if my last response was a bit harsh, but sometimes what you respond with seems as though you are coming from a position of "all knowing" without offering any Biblical proof, just your quips and warnings. That is your style...so be it.

But, I do have to thank you because it was your harping on the Preterist point of view that really got me interested in looking at this position, as well as the other three, to see where I would fit in. I found that I fit into none of them, although each has some valid points, none of them fully satisfies as a category in regards to what I am learning to be true.

I found a great article about "Progressive Revelation" and discovered that is a position that most fits my understanding of Bible prophecy, and how it has, and is, and will unfold.

So, if you are interested I posted a letter about all 4 positions along with the article I found so interesting. I discovered I am not a Preterist, although I agree that the destruction of Jerusalem was the end of the Old Covenant, there is still a future fulfillment in these end times.

Just so you know....thanks for causing me to find out where I stand, although I will still consider myself a Truthist.

Agape!

Patti C.