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Re: ISRAEL WAS SPIRITUAL FROM THE BEGINNING

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My Thoughts!
I am not trying to be offensive, I am speaking the truth and hope it resonates in the heart of the reader.



As Christ warned, the truth will be turned into a lie, and a lie will become the truth!

Is the Most High REALLY speaking to us, when what is being spoken is totally contrary to His written an inerrant word? We MUST ask ourselves this question!

My heart breaks to NO end for this "Gentile Church". Who HAVE changed the truth of the Most High to a lie. A two-thousand year old lie that will (without the Savior Himself) be IMPOSSIBLE for a so-called believer to shake off. And at the same time, many believe they are on their way to heaven, when on the contrary are headed straight to hell! This is the truth...it is what Satan the father of lies wants… it is what he planned.

We ALL are without excuse! The Most High gave us His word and made a way ALSO to get the Apocrypha in...our...hands, that helps explain EVERYTHING! There is NOTHING new under the sun...nothing!

The evidence needed to put an end to ANYONE'S doubt is RIGHT THERE in the word. The ONLY reason people choose to settle for the lies, is that they don't want to face the TRUTH!

The TRUTH IS NOT HARD to find and yes it is painful. I had to deal with it and so will EVERYONE else…that has the courage to research it. Because it doesn't matter what we feel...the Most High ONLY deals in TRUTH, and He has made us ALL free agents, with the right to choose NOW, who and what we will serve; a life built on truth or one lived daily… based on lies.

HERE IT IS.

1. The BOOK [the Law and the Testamony]was written by Hebrews, for Hebrews, to Hebrews:

The SAVIOR [Birthed out of the tribe of JUDAH, a REAL PEOPLE, a HEBREW - IS the infallible AUTHOR

The PROPHETS, All Hebrews - Prophesied about it

The APOSTLES including PAUL, All Hebrews - Testified to it

And ALL of the books of the bible were written by Hebrews. If not, scripturally and historically PROVE IT!

2. The Most High made it about "Two Nations/Nationalities” [that will war until the very end] - Jacob and Esau. One was dark brown [Negro] and the other Esau was red/Caucasian - the progenitor of the Caucasian race. If not, scripturally and historically PROVE IT!

3. One, the Most High hated ESAU and the other He loved JACOB - why? Read Obadiah [who is a REAL PEOPLE] - if not, scripturally and historically PROVE IT!

4. The MAP the SAVIOR left to identify "HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE" is written in the BOOK [ Deuteronomy 28] and they are a PHYSICAL people, and He kept His promise to them, for they ARE living out the promised CURSES to...this...day, and NO ONE will Redeem them! This IS the start of truly understanding who...they...are. But like the masses, who aren’t sure they REALLY want to know, because they will be uncomfortable with the answers they find.

The answers are there for His OWN people and they are JUST as afraid as the Gentiles are, to come out of the hidden darkness and into the light of His truth...for they - His People Israel - DO NOT EVEN CONSIDER - who they are. Isa 1:3

When someone gives them the truth, many reject it, why? Because they have been taught by the very people whose aim is to keep them blind to the truth. The brainwashing of His people has relegated them to the status of Gentiles. They reject the Most High’s laws, statutes and commandments all together therefore, His name is blasphemed amongst the Gentiles, where they are all scattered.

“And that which cometh into your mind shall not be at all, that ye say, We will be as the heathen [Gentiles], as the families of the countries, to serve wood [crosses] and stone [Mecca].” Eze 20:32

“[Israel] I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; 20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.” Eze 20:19-20

The world needs to be shown His light, the light that is supposed to come through His people, a people that will be obviously set apart.

Joe Dimingo wrote:

‘When the second Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D., all records of tribal lineages were destroyed as well, leaving no ability to identify the pedigree of any Israelite thereafter. By 135 A.D., the land of Israel was decimated of its Israeli inhabitants, as a result any and all persons identifying themselves as Jews do so without irrefutable evidence of their ancestry.”

The Answer to this absurdity:

Jacobs’s brother Esau directed by Satan himself through the power of the Romans, capitalized on the downfall of Judah, when their iniquity had its fill. The JEWS of Judea and Jerusalem - Judah, Benjamin, and Levi - had been instructed by the scripture, to run when they saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies, to flee to the mountains and NOT to go inside to get ANYTHING out of their houses...THAT included the Temple! Esau moved RIGHT in! His goal is to recapture the inheritance…he sold! The heaven he created for himself is this matrix of a world we are all a part of, now!

The Romans headed up by Esau, confiscated the Torah scrolls, ancient artifacts, all the Temple treasures, set the temple on fire, left no stone unturned, killed many of the Most High’s Chosen People, and those who listened escaped, and ran into the mountains of Africa, just as directed.

The scripture [the Law], and later, [the Testament], the bible, their God, their identity, land, culture, traditions, laws, statutes, commandments, dietary customs, feast days, Sabbaths, names, history, lineage and everything about them has been stolen, manipulated, perverted, abused, corrupted, and the very physical appearance of them has been "boastfully" wiped off of the face of the earth; that the very name of Israel be remembered NO MORE, and replaced by the Gentile church! JUST as the Savior said Esau would try to do! Tried but failed!?

Why? Because the Most High ALWAYS has a remnant “of His people”, in the earth!

Esau through Rome would seek to change times and the laws and he has done JUST that! He gave the Most High’s people a god he wanted them to serve - wood/Christianity and stone/Islam. He gave them a way of life that took them away from the remembrance of the Most High and His ways, in every way. And anyone who would choose to worship the God of Israel, he deceived as well, through hollow and deceptive doctrine, the doctrine of men. The Gentiles have wreaked havoc throughout the world…they have produced BITTER FRUIT!

Does anyone really believe what the Most High intended FOR HIS PEOPLE to bring forth light to everyone else; could be stolen, abused, manipulated, corrupted, and perverted and yet still have the Most High’s seal of approval forwarded to the thief; to deliver with spiritually discerned understanding to all the peoples of the earth, because Israel failed? NO! I certainly hope not.

THUS! the reason for the 144,000, of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

The Most High KNOWS the world has been deceived…and HAS to bring forth TRUTH to a dying world, in these last days. And after these men have been killed for their testimony, He will release an angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth. Rev 16

WHY?

Because man is stiff-necked and hardheaded and will NOT listen to the truth! He has given us two-thousand years of Gentile indoctrination of lies and we STILL refuse to believe the truth of His word.

“…and they did not repent and give Him glory” Rev 16:9
“ …and did not repent of their deeds’ Rev 16:11

I don’t know about you, but I’m mad and I have stopped believing the lies. I’ve had enough! NO MORE! The deceit within the so-called church is a horrendous reality to behold. So my heart is open to whatever truth the Most High wants to reveal to me…bitter or sweet. I would rather deal with TRUTH, than continue to live a lie because it FEELS good, it FEELS right, and others agree with me… and spend an eternity in hell, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth!

As for the Gentiles, and Jacobs Shemetic brother - Esau.

Jer 10:1-2 Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: 2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen/Gentile, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen/Gentiles are dismayed at them.

1 Cor 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to the Most High: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

What have the Gentiles done?

The Most High gave us Passover – Gentiles gives us Easter.

The Most high gave us Dietary laws – The Gentiles gives you freedom to eat abominable things…just pray over it.

The Most High gave us NO images of His Son – Gentiles give us Cesare Borgia and trees in the form of crosses they hung our Savior on…to hang around OUR OWN NECKS!

The Most High gave us Holy commandments to live by – Gentiles gives us freedom to do whatever we please.

The Most High gave us marriage and procreation – The Gentiles gives us sodomy, pedophilia and homosexuality and the “Hate Crimes Act”.

The Most High gave us Holy Days – Gentiles gives us satanic holidays.

The Most High gave us Sabbath worship – Gentiles gives us SUN-day worship.

The Most High gave us His Son the Savior – He was sold, beaten and hung on a tree, and Gentiles sold, beat and hung on trees - as strange fruit - His People, His offspring, in another attempt to annihilate His seed.

The Most High made His people different from all the people of the earth BY His laws, statutes and commandments; which are supposed to be the light to the nations, showing them the way – Gentiles made all men look NO different from the world with its laws, statutes and commandments…which we uphold to our death!

The Most High invited with an extended hand, the opportunity for the Gentiles to come be a part of the commonwealth of Israel, along with His laws, statutes, Holy days, and commandments that would set them apart as a people along with His elect ones. What did the Gentiles do? “Boastfully” erased them completely from the earth and willingly usurped them and became…spiritual Israel.

The Most High gave us His written truth – Gentiles turn the truth upside down and are purveyors of LIES.

As a result of the Most High’s unwavering ability to bring forth TRUTH!.
Jer 16:19

"O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say,

"Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit."

So Then!

Romans 3:2-5

“What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?”



Romans 9:1-5 Paul states,

“I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 Who are Israelite's; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen”

The Gentiles Shall Bless Zion

Isa 60:9-16

9 Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the LORD thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee.

10 And the sons of strangers [Gentiles] shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee [physical Israel], but in my favour have I had mercy on thee.

11 Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought. 12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.

13 The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious. 14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee [physical Israel] shall come bending unto thee [physical Israel]; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee; The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

15 Whereas thou has been forsaken and hated, so that no man went through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations. 16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob [physical Israel].”

Isa 41:11-14

11 Behold, all they that were incensed against thee [physical Israel]shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee shall perish.

12 Thou shalt seek them, and shalt not find them, even them that contended with thee: they that war against thee [physical Israel] shall be as nothing, and as a thing of nought. 13 For I the LORD thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee. 14 Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith the LORD, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.

Zec 8:23

23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that the Most High is with you.

*QUESTION??
If there are two sets of people who are living IN the kingdom, and every one IN the kingdom are suppose to be IN CHRIST, under His righteous rule, then WHO are these men out of all languages of the nations, taking hold of the skirt on ONE JEW? Unless many have ALSO been deceivingly, convinced there IS NO KINGDOM! Then one must ask? When did this scenario happen? And is the Most High a liar?

It is about time that we all wake up and ask questions, do our own research and protect the truth of the gospel in word and deed, in spirit and in truth! This is a reality we are ALL going to have to face at one point. It is time to stop relying on others for agreement and “Search from the book of the Lord and read”! Isa 34:16

What was intended is written down. Every word in the book has its importance. It is NOT going to change no matter what we believe outside of it or how any of us feel.

I intentionally did not apply scriptural or historical support as much as I could have, because I have DONE the research, and I know what is scripturally and historically true. If anyone REALLY wants to know, the truth is there for the taking and the Most High WANTS you to have it. The question is…do you want it?

The Bottom Line is this! Whatever you think you know, that you honestly admit is contrary to ANYTHING the Savior practiced or taught, TURN IT RIGHT SIDE UP AND THERE…YOU WILL FIND THE TRUTH!


Isa 29:15:16
15 Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us? 16 Surely your turning of things UPSIDE DOWN shall be esteemed as the potter's clay.

Esau is good at keeping records of everything! Because as the Most High must tell His prophets before He does anything; Satan is the great imitator and does the same. He isn’t like the Most High though…everything of Satan’s eventually back fires and the truth is exposed. It is up to us to accept it when it comes.

Every one of us belongs somewhere and to a particular people. Find out who you are! We ALL have a price to pay for the recompense of our ancestors, whether we did anything or not! The descendants of His people are BORN into the curses and everyone used by Him as the tool to discipline His people as a result of their disobedience, will serve His people in the end, in His righteous kingdom or in flames of eternal fire.

If you are a descendant of Physical Israel and have not experienced the Passover…YOU are in trouble, inflicted by the hands of the Creator of the Universe!

If you are a descendant of Esau and have not experienced the Passover…YOU are in trouble, inflicted by the hands of the Creator of the Universe!

If you are a descendant of Ham and have not experienced the Passover…YOU are in trouble, inflicted by the hands of the Creator of the Universe!

If you are a descendant of Japheth from which the kingdom of Rome came - the isles of the Gentiles Gen 10:5 – and you have not experienced the Passover…YOU are in trouble, inflicted by the hands of the Creator of the Universe!

The Most High’s word of truth MUST go forth so that many can be snatched from the fire. If one sincerely believes His whole word to be true, and one is a confessing believer, we should ALL be interested in waking UP the “VALLEY of DRY BONES”! Because it WILL happen, and they WILL speak the truth, that as of now, many are not willing to hear or receive. One can only kick against the goads so long…truth will always prevail!

The Most High IS awakening His people, Physical Israel in Christ [I know, because I am one of them] and the Gentile /Stranger who take hold of His name…even if it’s one at a time. The wonderful thing about it is that both understand the Most High’s plan concerning the commonwealth of Israel. Both are complying with HIS ways by following HIS laws, statutes and commandments, and that includes Sabbath worship, that is supposed to be for a sign between us and Him, AND THEY ARE NOT BURDENSOME.

Both hearts mourn for a world that have been deceived and both have each other’s shoulders to lean on in a world filled with people who reject the message of truth, people that will soon be willing to turn us in to authorities, thinking they are doing the Most High a service.

Because of this unity between Physical Israel and the Gentile/stranger - spiritual Israel - both walking in the ways of the Most High, there appears to be NO difference in who natural Israel is. JUST as He designed it to be! Physical Israel of the flesh cannot become a Gentile by nature - like MOSES, but a Gentile can spiritually become Israel…JUST LIKE RUTH!

“And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God: Where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: the LORD do so to me, and more also, if ought but death part thee and me.” Ruth 1:16

It so happened when Naomi and her family went in and lived amongst the Gentiles - a place we ought not go - all of her family died off, and she was left with nothing, just as we, His natural people among the Gentiles have nothing and are for a sign. Yet in Him, we are rich!

Deut 28:45-47“Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:

46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever. 47 Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;

But when Naomi came out from amongst the Gentiles and settled back into the ways of her people and followed the ways of the Most High…it was THEN that she was blessed, she AND her daughter-in-law, and they were as one people.
Naomi had to be the light to Ruth, to teach her the ways of her people Israel.

THIS is the mystery! THIS! Is when there is no Jew, nor Greek, slave or free, male or female…but one family united INTO the commonwealth of Israel. One MUST accept Physical Israel in order to be truly engrafted to its tree; otherwise the Most High does not recognize the branch.

Because of pride, prejudice, arrogance, selfishness, indoctrination and lies, many can’t receive the love of the truth. That goes for physical Israel that will not receive the message of who they really are, and for the Gentile alike. As it is said, whatever is written, let it be done.

Blessings of wisdom, guidance, and understanding to all purveyors of truth!





Blessed be His name

Re: ISRAEL WAS SPIRITUAL FROM THE BEGINNING

Hi Linda,

The Romans headed up by Esau, confiscated the Torah scrolls, ancient artifacts, all the Temple treasures, set the temple on fire, left no stone unturned, killed many of the Most High’s Chosen People, and those who listened escaped, and ran into the mountains of Africa, just as directed.


The proof is that the Jews who listened and left Jerusalem traveled north to Galilee, east into other Middle Eastern countries and south into the Negev Desert where Masada is located, which was later laid siege by the Roman and all but a few killed. Masada stands, to this day for, "Never Again". Linda, there is no proof that these in Masada were African nor that the tribes living in and around Jerusalem were African. On the contrary, they are Semitic and a mixture of many colors just as they are today. There are thousands of Jews in other Middle Eastern countries, where they remain to this day, converts to Islam....many not even knowing that they are Hebrews. The Jews in Africa are basically the off-spring of Solomon and the Queen of Sheba. So you see Linda, without meaning to set afire to this topic, it seems to be a very narrow minded topic for the Negroes to claim to be the only true Hebrews. It just is not so.

Esau is good at keeping records of everything!


Yes he is. For instance the Nazis of WWII kept such intricate records that the names of every Jew that was taken to camps & exterminated were recorded and to this day, Israel has the Holocaust Museum where the pictures and names are posted. The Jews of WWII are mad also because those of Esau (The Synagogue of Satan} killed those that they considered the real threat, the Jewish people of many tribes and colors. All of the evidence and proof is there; it cannot be shoved aside. Among all of those pictures of Holocaust victims, there was no Negros. Why is that? Still, we know that these 6 million or so people are of the many tribes of Israel. What the people of Israel, as a whole, do not know is that the very people that rule over them today in the Knesset are of the Tribe of Dan, out of whom was prophesied would come a/c. Do you see how it continues right within their own tribes, brother against brother....Jacob and Essau...of which will come the one End Time ruler with his dominate DNA of Essau, the Red Haired one & off-spring who lived in the Red Mountains of Jordan? It is they that now rule with their Laws and Judges? Dan means "Judge".

Linda, I feel for the Negro people just as I do for the Jewish people who were scattered, used and abused and killed by those that thought themselves to be of the Illuminated Race and still do.

Yes, I get angry also with all of the injustice but it does no good at all to stir up this pot of racial hatred. It is almost as if so many Blacks are saying, "It is our turn to repay unto these whites for what they did to our fore-fathers." Truth be known, it was other black tribes in Africa that took up their weapons against the lesser tribes, took prisoners, brought them to the coastal areas to sell to 'ole whitie' that came by ships to get free employment. Notice that they came by Ship. The same ships of Tarshish that first sailed from the shores of the Mediterranean to Europe were of the Tribe of Dan, known as the World Bankers/Illuminati of today. It is the same pattern over and over again. Brother against Brother.

All of the history of the Church and the European Royal families is true and many white, common people were killed because they stood for truth and God. Fox's Book of Martyrs is a fine historical example of the injustice done by European whites against the common white people.

Please consider all of this history before laying claim that it is the Black people who are the True Hebrews.

Respectfully,
gerlinda

Re: ISRAEL WAS SPIRITUAL FROM THE BEGINNING


Dear Gerlinda,

I am sorry for your discontentment in the truth of who is who. I have emotionally disconnected myself from the responses of this nature and have asked who ever had a problem with the truth, to disprove it with biblical and historical facts. I HAVE done the research and it is all true.

And I also, have personally seen the holocaust museum in U.N created Israel. It is a sad day when we as a people can talk all day about it, but the holocaust that took place amongst the Indians, Mexicans and so-called African-Americans makes the holocaust of Germany, however so atrocious, pale in comparison. You should take a real hard look at that history.

Yes, it is a sore subject after living with lies for these many years for all of us. I pray that because this affects you so strongly, that Christ is trying to help you in the area of what may be pride. We have discussed this before and I am reminded of your response even then, "I just don't want the truth of Israel being a white race to be gobbled up". Forgive me if I am off in paraphrasing your quote. What I have written is true Gerlinda. If it isn't please let everyone know who are the people in Deut 28, for this is the Most High's word...is it not true? Jeremiah 30 may also help you understand, that the people in the land of Israel right now, can not possibly the people of the Most High.

I would also like to know the biblical story of Solomon, the Queen of Sheba and that birth of a son story. Surely it will be found in the Chronicles.

Let me make myself very clear. I am NOT participating in ANY racial taunting whatsoever. My wake-up was painful, to say the least and that's why I wrote "Facing the Truth". My heart goes out to ALL of us that have been deceived, and we are many...JUST like Christ said it would be. But Christ has extended His hand for anyone to come in, as has not forgotten any group of people. Just so happens His people are people of color, and they DO exist. I never had any problem with what color our Savior was, and frankly in my life, I never ever thought about it. So, why should you have a problem with it? I pray Christ is trying to work this out in you, because soon and very soon, He will be coming through the clouds. I do know this truth IS faith shaking.

The second video I posted explains my thoughts exactly! And isn't it something that the Most High is opening the eyes of His people, and they want to shout it out to the rooftops, to have the door slammed shut and told..."oh it doesn't matter". "Oh, you are being racist!" The thing is, it is going to happen, whether we like it or not. He is true to His word. Those who were cut off (Rom 11) will be grafted back in at some point, don't you think? I have been compelled in my heart by no choice of my own, to help in the process of "Waking up... The Valley of Dry Bones". I pray that He compels your heart as well, for what an asset you would be.

The best medicine for deception...is truth!

Respectfully,

Linda



Re: ISRAEL WAS SPIRITUAL FROM THE BEGINNING

Dear Gerlinda,

What you said in regards to Linda's response to my post was very well said, and I agree with you. I know this is controversial territory for many, and it is important to look at all aspects of this issue.

Thanks for your insightful comments I was relieved that you understood the article in the way it was intended.

Agape!

Patti C.

Re: ISRAEL WAS SPIRITUAL FROM THE BEGINNING

Dear Sister Linda,

I do love and respect you and it saddened me to see how upset you were by this article and study. I was not offended so much as taken aback by the intensity of your response. Yet, I feel just as intense about what I have learned to be the Truth. So please respect my response in that regard.

Number one, you say you are speaking from truth, and I have no doubt that is true for you, but you must remember Linda that we are all seeing through a glass darkly and no one this side of heaven has all truth about all things. I hope you were not implying that the study I put on was all about lies, because I do take issue with that, especially when your response did not deal with the main concept being presented. You seemed to go off on the issue of who natural Israel was or is, and not focus on the spiritual nature that makes one a member of Israel, God's people.

I wonder if you had a problem with the whole article or just the part about not being able to prove that one is a Hebrew. Therefore I am going to quote several paragraphs from the study that contains its main focus and mine.

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"The biggest and most powerful stumbling block the enemy has perpetrated on the followers of Christ is the notion that God has a “chosen race”. Once believers in Christ allow themselves to believe in the ruse of a “chosen race”, a major distraction occurs in the thought process. Carnality distracts spirituality. This hinders the Church and has her falsely thinking that she is a gentile and prohibits the Church of Christ to unite under the one umbrella of Israel. I can only hope by now that the reader discerns the futility in this delusion.

As a chosen nation of God, we will also prevail with God at the end of this fight. And so the believer in Christ is to understand that he has enjoined himself to the chosen nation of Israel. Not of the flesh but of the spirit. Paul’s main purpose for writing the letter to the Galatians was to reveal to them that they are the Israel of God if they follow the rule of spirit over flesh. I invite you to embrace your true identity in the Lord Jesus Christ - you are a part of the Israel of God if you walk according to the spirit.

Unity always requires common ground. While some will argue that Jesus is our common ground, they are not entirely correct. The Apostles have mentioned in their letters that there would be other gospels and other Jesus’ being taught and preached in the Church. Sadly, many of you have seen this for yourselves all too often. One Church preaches a Jesus of anything goes and another preaches a Jesus of condemnation and bondage.

There is even a white Jesus and a black Jesus. This is why the unity of God’s Kingdom will not be found just in Jesus. But rather, the unity that Jesus requires of his followers will be found in Jesus and his Kingdom – which is spiritual Israel. This is the only way unity can be established in God’s people. You must have Jesus as your savior and enter his Kingdom – the Israel of God.

God himself has already ordained our standards. He himself has already given us his measure by which we must all be accountable to meet. They are found in the Word of God and not in the code of anyone’s church or religious organization. My friends do you know what these rules of God are today? Well some of you may very well know them and some of you may not. They are the same rules that God gave to Israel. Except now they are a spiritual set of rules, for Christ himself said that if you were to even lust after a woman in your mind you have already committed adultery in your heart. Yes, they are an even better set of rules for Israel to day, for he said that we are to present ourselves as a living sacrifice.

We have a new identity. We are no longer black, white, Indian, Hispanic, Chinese or any other race. These are all carnal and not spiritual. Paul said there is neither Jew no Greek, bond nor free, these were all carnal as well. But we are a spiritual house and a spiritual nation. We are the Israel of God, who daily struggle with God and with our fellow man in our fight against evil.

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Being "born again in Spirit" is how one is grafted onto the TREE OF LIFE, NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE!! It is Spiritual and not according to race, heritage, culture etc. Natural Israel becomes Spiritual Israel the exact same way any person does. If the Native American, the Black person, or any other person accepts Christ as their personal Savior and are born again from above they are grafted into Israel.

Here are just few Scriptures that speak of the importance of understanding the spiritual nature of the plan of God. Those that have a living personal relationship with Christ ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD…..always has been always will be.

1Co 2:13

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

1Co 15:44 -50

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Eph 1:3-10

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

1Pe 2:9

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Col 1:9

For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

1Pe 2:5

Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

I appreciate your passion about what the Lord is revealing to you about your own personal heritage and that of those that have been so oppressed by mankind. But we are all of Esau if we are not spiritually born again in Christ no matter what our heritage is. Jews are considered Gentiles if they remain in unbelief…there are only two as you said…Israel or Gentiles…believers or unbelievers.

When I say Jesus is all and everything I mean in both Testaments and every book of His Holy Word…He was the burning bush, the Cloud, the Rock, The Passover Lamb as He is the Temple, the Sabbath in which we rest, the Alpha and Omega of ALL and in ALL!! There is NO OTHER WAY into His sheepfold but to be “born again and worship in Spirit and in Truth”.

In His Name and in His Love,

JESUS IS ALL AND EVERYTHING!!!

Patti C.

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This is posted on this link to keep things from getting scattered and too difficult to keep track.

Steven

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Posted by Linda S

Dear Patti,

I will respond on this post as I presented it as a response to yours.

As far as what I intended to say in my response, it was very clear and I stand by it. This truth, is not a matter of who agrees or disagrees. Truth must be told and I do believe I expressed myself well enough not to rehash the whole thing.

As I encouraged all to do, again, if one disagrees and finds what was written false, to prove it otherwise with historical and biblical facts; that seems reasonable. I do not have a problem with the truth at all, unless it has been covered up and especially cloaked in darkness, to deceive a whole nation of people, that have NO idea who they are, or where their homeland is. This, I believe we ALL should have a problem with.

For Example:
If you knew a child that had been kidnapped and taken far from home to a place unfamiliar, and everything had been stripped from them, and they had been kept for decades in a prison with no way of escape, and YOU had the opportunity to set them free and to let them know who they really are; Would you just look at them and suggest...if they would just meet Jesus, then it really doesn't matter who they are, where they belong, or who they belonged to? God forbid, and woe to you!

This truth is NOT about me finding my heritage, I just so happened to find my heritage searching for truth. It is about truth that has been cloaked in darkness, TO deceive a whole nation of people; a people many believe do not have a right to know, and it is being exposed. It is about Christ bringing ALL things to the light and it is not going to feel good, warm or fuzzy, and the feet that brings the news will not gather many friends. That is the sacrifice one has to expect.

I can say, I know how it feels and how uncomfortable it is to face. But the Most High wants us to know, because it is He that is awakening His people, bringing truth to native born Israel and Gentiles alike.

I am sorry if it does not set well with you, I have been there too. My prayer is that someone reading about this truth, that their eyes will be opened and they will have the answers they have always looked for, hoped for. I pray they will come to repentance and get in right standing with the Most High, that He may Passover them. That He may cloak them in the light of His truth and love. Even so, they will then carry the news to their families and friends, so that they can be the light that was intended for them to be in this deceived world.

"Awaken! Dry Bones, Awaken!" Eze 37
"Arise Blind Israel, Arise!" Rom 11

The world needs to see the light dawning on you...AWAKEN!

Blessings to You!

Blessed Be His Name

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Hello brothers and sisters! I am new to posting but not new to the site. I find this thread very interesting and would like to humbly share just a few things from possibly another perspective. It is important to note that in the flesh I am a Gentile, but I have been grafted into the commonwealth of Israel and therefore, I am of the family of Israel, and my gratitude never ends.

I would like to offer something to think about at this point of this overall discussion. The God that we all serve is the God of Israel; He is the great I AM, and He does not change who He is. When all is said and done and we reach the culmination of all God's plans, we must remember that there will be 144,000 servants of the Most High who will be sealed, all from the tribes of the children of Israel, in so much that the Word is specific of how many from each of the different tribes (Rev. 7:3-8). These are chosen physical Israelites who follow the Lamb wherever He goes and who stand with Him and sing a song unto Him that no one else can learn; they are "redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb". (Rev. 14:1-5) They are all from the physical tribes of Israel. The Israelites have not changed, nor has the One who chose them.

I am a Gentile, and yes now, spiritually, I am grafted in to the olive tree as an adopted child, as an heir -- through my belief in and obedience to My Savior, Christ. I believe that once a Gentile does come in to the fold, he is then no longer Jew, nor Gentile, nor anything else -- we are all reconciled unto God in one body by the cross -- and we all have access by one Spirit unto the Father (Ephesians 2:15-16). And what else does it say... "Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; and are built upon the foundation of the apostles [physical Israel] and prophets [physical Israel], Christ himself [physical Israel] being the chief cornerstone." Because of the disobedience/unbelief of Israel, He has now offered to me, the Gentile, the invitation to be grafted in to HIS tree with HIS people following HIS ways -- coming into the commonweath of Israel -- the very people whom He will redeem in the end, those who have the testimony of Christ and follow the commandments of God! The chosen 144,000 is proof of their redemption (and not the only proof of course), and it is proof of the importance to the Most High of their physical lineage and heritage. The bottom line is that physical Israel is the bloodline of His chosen people -- the very bloodline that produced the "Lion of the tribe of Judah". If the physical lineage does not matter, then why is Christ still referred to this in the book of Revelation? He is from the tribe of Judah of Israel; this simply has to matter!

I think we all need to be of the utmost humility and be careful of any thought or action that could be construed as setting aside that bloodline which God originally chose; for Paul specifically instructed us to not boast or be not highminded but to fear (Romans 11:20-21). It's ironic and very though-provoking to me today that the white race (of which I am) is viewed and ordained by themselves as the "majority", and all other races are viewed as "minorities". Isn't that just like satan to take the meek and poor of the earth, who ARE God's chosen people who will inherit the kingdom, and make them the "minority"?? Isn't it just like satan -- knowing that to them, the so-called "minorities" of the earth, apply the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises (Romans 9:4-5) -- to reverse their order and place them on the bottom?? Of course, we must understand that the Most High has allowed this, simply because of his fulfillment of the curses for their disobedience. It is mind-boggling to me that, generally speaking, many of us who are considered the "majority" of the earth have become blinded and even puffed up in some cases that we cannot see this. I used to unknowingly be in this "majority", but I simply rebuke it now.

I would just like to end with one thought... Our enemy wants to devour us -- anyone in Christ whether Israel or Gentile in the flesh. He is the father of lies -- he is the utmost expert at it. Whether it be turning it from rightside-up to upside-down, from frontwards to backwards, or from dark to light, HE IS ALWAYS LYING! He has been lying for thousands of years bringing us to the place we live in today -- the great deception that could be so convincing that if possible, even the elect could be deceived! Because of this, because I love the Lord my God with all my heart, all my soul, all my mind, and all my being, and because I know that His ways are not like mine and are much higher (Isaiah 55:8); I have put myself in a place of complete and total humility -- I am nothing and I know nothing! I have to admit to myself and others that I have believed and even passed on many, many lies in the 20 years I have been a Christ follower, and that hurts badly. I want the Most High to reveal ALL the lies I have believed, no matter how cloaked in light they may be, no matter how deep they run, and no matter how it makes me look or feel. I believe it is a necessity to stay in this state of mind, constantly seeking and desiring the one truth of the God of Israel, remembering that the slightest lie can send me down a path of destruction.

All praises to HIS name who will lead us into ALL truth!! We are truly the most blessed of the earth to be HIS!

And P.S. This is written only to share with the people of God and to provoke our thinking; it truly comes from a humble heart.

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Welcome to rapture bible prophecy forum Stacy!

God Bless

Steven

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Welcome Sister Stacy!

All I can say is, "BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE MOST HIGH"

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Hi Stacy...great to have you join the conversation! So nice to have all perspectives on this issue.

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Dear Linda,

This is really a very good conversation because we both see the absolute importance of finding out who Israel (God’s Chosen people) really are yet have the direct opposite conclusions. In this way we are presenting both sides of this, which is good. I have written much about this because it is the revelation that opened my eyes to the Truth, and it changes everything!! I know that you feel just as passionately about what you believe.

Before I go any further, I want to ask you a few questions to clarify some things. You said this:

******* “The Most High made it about "Two Nations/Nationalities” [that will war until the very end] - Jacob and Esau. One was dark brown [Negro] and the other Esau was red/Caucasian - the progenitor of the Caucasian race. If not, scripturally and historically PROVE IT!***********

Okay…Do you believe that Abraham was black? Do you believe that both Isaac and Rebekah were black? Esau and Jacob were twins so my question is how did they have one black child and one white or red child? (I do not see the different races of people as beginning with Jacob and Esau….but with Noah’s sons).

The differences between Jacob and Esau is not about "Nationalities"....it is about the "natural" (which comes first) vs the "spiritual" which follows the natural. It's all about the "natural, carnal mind" vs. the "spiritual mind", for which we all are working toward achieving.

That is the whole problem we are having, not seeing the difference between what is natural and what is spiritual and this is a major concept to grasp!!
The Bible tells us that Jesus is Israel!

Hosea 11:1

When Israel was a youth I loved him, and out of Egypt I called My Son.

Matthew 2:14, 15

And he arose and took the Child and His mother by night, and departed for Egypt; and was there until the death of Herod, that what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet might be fulfilled, saying, “Out of Egypt did I call My Son.”

As Jesus is the true Israel according to Scripture, He is also the true seed of Abraham for it is also written in the Scriptures:

Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many, but referring to one, "And to your offspring," who is Christ. – Galatians 3:16

Thus there is only one true Israel, Jesus Christ, and none other; one redemptive plan of salvation throughout all history; one Gospel; one people of God –the Church, the Israel of God-by faith having been united to Jesus Christ, the true Israel and made heirs according to the promise of God.

For all the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory. – 2 Corinthians. 1:20.

Mike Vinton has some powerful insights on this in regards to Israel of the flesh and Israel of the spirit and explaining the following Scriptures:
Phl 3:3

For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ

Piece of the article by Mike Vinson:

Link of article or video : http://www.iswasandwillbe.com/rev-7_4_8-who-are-the-144_000-part-1/


Being “of the [ physical] stock of Israel, of the [ physical] tribe of Benjamin or the tribe of Judah is “counted but dung” to the man of the spirit. Who then are “the children of God?” Who are “the children of promise?” Who now is Israel? Who now is a Jew? Who now is a Benjamite, or a member of any of the other tribes of Israel? Paul’s answer leaves no room for speculation:

Php 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

There it is, ” not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.” What the spirit is teaching us is that being the physical seed of Abraham does not make one Abraham’s seed. Being a physical Jew or a physical Benjamite or being physically descended from any other “of all the tribes of Israel… is but dung.”

What then does make one “counted for the seed?”

There are two groups and two groups only, who are being saved. One group can be “counted,” and are said to number 144,000. The other group is said to be “innumerable.”

Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Rom 9:8 tells us who is “counted for the seed” of Abraham, but here is yet another way of answering that question.

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

But how can this requirement of being “Abraham’s seed” be made to apply to a Gentile Roman, or a Gentile Ephesian or a Gentile Galatian? How can all these Gentile converts to Christ now be considered as Abraham’s one and only seed? Are Gentile converts to Christ now actually Biblically “counted” as Abraham’s only “promised son”, Abraham’s “one seed?” Are they really to now be considered “as Isaac was… the children of promise?” Are Gentiles actually considered by God, and by the scriptures of His Word, to be Israelites, and heirs of the promise made to Abraham? Is that what “the holy spirit, comparing spiritual with spiritual, teaches?” What do the scriptures teach?

Gal 4:28 Now we brethren [ Gentile Galatians], as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye[ Gentile Ephesians] are no more strangers and foreigners [ to the commonwealth of Israel, verse 12], but fellowcitizens [ of Israel] with the saints, and of the household of God;

Does this make Paul a replacement theologian? Does this take the promise given to Abraham to make of Him a nation and a company of nations and give that promise only to those of both the Jewish and the Gentiles who are converts to Christ? Or does God now have two separate chosen or elect peoples; one according to the flesh, and another according to the spirit? No, God does not have two separate elect or chosen people. “He is NOT a Jew which is one outwardly…”

Did we not just read:

Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Did we not just read the New Testament definition of what is and what “is not a Jew?” Did we not read that the Gentile Ephesian converts are those who “are called uncircumcision by that which is called circumcision in the flesh made by hands?” Did not the scriptures we just read teach us that those Ephesian Gentile converts to Christ were “in time PAST Gentiles” in the flesh, but they are now “made near by the blood of Christ,” and they are now a part of “the commonwealth of Israel?” How many phrases like, “the commonwealth of Israel… as Isaac was… counted for the seed… to whom pertaineth the promises…” all addressed to Gentile Christians, must we read before we simply acknowledge that “he is NOT a Jew that is one outwardly, but he is a Jew which is one inwardly?”

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It is interesting how the Lord is using us to show both sides of this issue and in so doing presenting the whole picture. This is important and I am glad to have such a worthy opponent in this discussion.

Agape Sis!

Patti C.






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Hello Patti,

I will answer this, "Do I believe Abraham was black"...yes! "Do I believe Isaac and Rebecca was black"...yes! Beyond that, I will not do the research for you, because this is where the truth has to be determined by each individual, that has done their own research. This is to insure that you are not simply taking my word for it. This is where the winds of doctrine was birthed.

I can say, that Rebecca, was given the prophecy by the Most High about her son's and was told, two nations [nationalities] are in your womb. You can read the story in Gen 25. You can find Esau's blessing from his father Isaac in Gen 27. Esau's ancient hatred for his brother in Eze 35. His taking of Jacob's identity and land in Eze 35 & 36, and his demise for the vindictive ways he has treated his brother in Obadiah.

The bible alone has the answers, but there are many extra biblical books that give much support to the inerrancy of the scripture. I encourage ALL to take the journey, it is life changing, to say the least.

I can supply a list of books that will help greatly in your research though. This is at least a good thorough start, for there is much more, but one should be convinced with just the word of the Most High.

The Bible - 1611 KJV with the Apocrypha
The Book of Enoch
The Book of Jasher
The Book of Jubilees
From Babylon to Timbuktu
The Russian ICONS
Chosen People of the Caucasus
The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler

This information should help greatly in your search for understanding sister.

Love You Much!

Blessed Be His Name





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Stacy,

Welcome and so glad to have you, not only reading but contributing. You posted an excellent, well thought out and Biblically based response to this issue of the importance of Israel. Is it just Spiritual? No! Is it just Physical? No! Which of the two, in the end, is of the most importance to God? It will be the result of who, in the whole human family of God, whether Jew or Gentile, has become Born-Again and One of His Own Body.
Thank you for the contribution. gerlinda

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Gerlinda,

Amen to that! It is all about being Born Again!!

Patti C.

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Hello Gerlinda, Patty, and all! It is so nice to meet all of you, so to speak!

I certainly cannot argue anything you have said Gerlinda in your response. We are and will be all one, and I cannot ever be thankful enough for His invitation to come into His own!

If there was one final thing I could say, I would just encourage us to not forget about physical Israel today, which seems to be the point that Linda is trying to make. They are still out there, scattered to the four corners of the earth, and they still matter. satan has worked hard to disregard them, destroy them, and "disappear" them from everything over time, and in many regards and with many "Christians" even, he has been successful. God has a remnant of these people, and He is going to redeem them, along with all of us who have been adopted as members of this nation as well. Acknowledging that Israel is still a physical people today simply acknowledges that His original chosen ones are still out there living the curses, and they are beginning to find their way back - just as the Word declares will happen. This should excite us exceedingly, as we know that our redemption, along with theirs, is very, very near -- as one! Furthermore, can you imagine what this means to the Most High God... His prodigal son, His wayward wife, is returning to Him!! This is huge and is the altogether culmination of His plan! When I think of being a part of the dry bones awakening and joining together with them in obedience to the Most High's laws and commandments as He directed and ordered so long ago (and that have been completely changed over time by man under the influence of satan), it does something in my very soul that I cannot explain -- I, Stacy the Gentile, am grafted in to the chosen nation of Israel, and I gladly walk with them in obedience to Him, thanking Christ all the more for offering me this and making the way for it to be possible. Yes, we are one with Israel, but Israel is still out there, and they are coming home!!!

I believe that we are all in agreement with much of our discussion (primarily our overall redemption as one body); the one missing piece seems to be acknowledging the physical people of Israel today and what it means for the future. The Most High clearly dileneates them throughout His word and even at the end of all things with the 144,000 (and then some). I think that in following Him, we must recognize them as well and understand the magnitude of their return to Him!

I hope this makes sense. This truth has been overwhelming to me -- as well as accepting that just about everything I've learned in "the church" as a child until about a year ago has not been true (and I am 50 years old!). "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling" has new meaning to me now, and there is no oe behind this new meaning but the Most High!! May His name be praised forever more, as there is nothing more pure, more beautiful, and more life-changing than His perfect truth.

Much love to all of you!

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Hello Linda,

I have to ask you, "If Isaac and Rebecca were Black, how is it that their twin sons came out Black and White?" There is nothing in the Word of God that indicates another father was involved in this conception.

They had the same parents, thus Essau, whom you say is Caucasian, cannot be a true fact. Essau represents the nation of Islam. Jacob represents the Nation of Israel.

The various Arab tribes that make up those that followed after the religion of Islam; are they white, black or brown? They are made up of various colors; mostly brown. And so it is with Jacob. Nothing has changed over all of these generations.

Essau was hated by God, even before his birth because Almighty God knew that he would leave his parents devotion to the God of their Grandfather, Abraham. Essau went off, with his pagan wife, settled the Red Mountains of Edom and served other gods. Jacob, although a scoundrel, did stay true to the God of His Father.

Common sense must be used in this issue along with the Biblical account.

gerlinda

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Stacy,

You, a white Gentile, now of the Israelites and I, a white Jew, redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb, here-by agree that natural Israel has a future fulfillment along with all the others of the human race, be they White, Brown, Black, Red or Yellow.

For goodness sake, who is it that calls out for their Messiah, "Blessed Is He That Comes in The Name of the Lord?" and just at the last minute, He will save those that called out to Him?

Thank you Stacy.
gerlinda

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Hello Gerlinda,

I would like to recommend you read the information I gave to Patti in helping you also, do your own research. It is truly important for us to study and show ourselves approved. It is not difficult at all.

I know it will be JUST as hard and heart breaking for all the people who have been raised to believe they are someone they are not, at the hands of Satan through Esau. It is true that the people in Israel are not the people of the Most High. Once one can wrap their head around that fact alone, will be instrumental in facing the whole truth of His holy inspired word.

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Tim 2:15

May the Most High Bless you Gerlinda,

Blessed Be His Name

Re: ISRAEL WAS SPIRITUAL FROM THE BEGINNING

Linda,

I did read it all; what you posted to Patti. We know it was the Illuminati that were behind the rebirth of Nation of Israel after more than 1900 years. They would never have been allowed to accomplish this unless Almighty God had not sanctioned it. We've discussed that before, right?

However, once that is accomplished, He will call them out of the north, south...

I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth." Isaiah 43:6
And gathered them out of the lands, from the east, and from the west, from the ... those whom he gathered from other lands— from the east, west, north, and south. ... and communion with him, shall be filled with the goodness of his house, both in ... effectual calling, and particularly the calling of the Gentiles in Gospel times; Psalm 107:3


I know you believe, Linda, that Israel does not have the true Jews back in the land yet but how do you answer to the fact that the Ethiopians and other blacks, off-spring of Solomon & Sheba, are back in the land at this time. I wish you would answer these questions yourself instead of keeping on telling us that we must show ourselves to be approved. We, who do not agree with you, are reading our Bibles and doing our best to show ourselves approved.

As I have shared before, within Israel, there are many true Israelites of the lineage of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob. Then there are the Illuminati bunch who call themselves Jews but are the Synagogue of Satan. There are the Messianic Jews and finally the Secular Jews, plus the off-spring of Essau, the brother to Jacob. The Land is being restored as prophesied. It is so fruitful because it lay dormant for all those years that Israel did not allow the land to have it's Sabbath.

I really don't get it Linda. What is the truth? That all of Israel is of the Black people? Perhaps you think you have the truth but are being mis-led. Please consider, while it may be shocking to you, as you say; it is not the Truth.

I think I have to get off this subject because you do not address what is being said. It just keeps going around in circles. In the grand scheme of all that is happening to our earth, soon the locust to be turned loose, great catastrophes coming upon us, the waters being poisoned, the earth no longer to supply good fresh food, the revealing of the false prophet and the A/C, does this great truth you have learned about change anything?

We both know there is the Demonic Kingdom and the powers that be who want to destroy both Christian and Jews.

What do you want us to do with this Truth you speak about? Write to Rome, make reparations, turn our back on the fact that among the Jews killed in the Holocaust of WWII, there were no Blacks with the various shades of brown.

Do you see what I am saying in this letter? Where were the Black Jews during this great injustice done in Europe against them. Or, how about thousands that were killed in Russia?

As I've said before Linda, with Respect,
gerlinda

Re: ISRAEL WAS SPIRITUAL FROM THE BEGINNING



Dear Gerlinda,

Just as I had questions and as many as you do...I searched the scripture for the answers and they were explained very well. Yes, the truth is hard to swallow and I understand that it is very hard for you. As I did the research myself, I don't have to do it again for those that want to know truth. Seek it on your own as I have so encouraged everyone to do. A lot of the questions you have are answered right in His word, therefore any objections to the answers you can not accept, for one reason or another, will not be with me, but with the Most High.

You wanting me to answer these things for you is useless, it only perpetuates animosity. And I believe if you won't take the time to educate yourself on the truth...rest, and stay in the belief you have accepted as the truth. I have no problem with that, many will choose to go this route, it's Ok!

There is truly no love lost sister!

Blessings to you,

Blessed Be His Name

Re: ISRAEL WAS SPIRITUAL FROM THE BEGINNING

Dear Gerlinda

Thank you for asking the question I asked Linda about how Isaac and Rebekah had twins that were one black and one white. I really wanted that answered. I share your frustration in regards to understanding what truth Linda is trying to share, and think she needs to prove it Biblically and not make us try and figure out what this truth is. It does just go around in circles.

If it is all about Israel being black people then prove that and help us to see why this is so important, and how it relates to these end times. We do our own research for what we are trying to convey, why do we have to do research to prove what she is trying to convey?

I just wanted to let you know I appreciate what you said and feel the same way. Hopefully she will just come out and tell us what she wants us to know. Thanks for being so open and honest about this, it really helped me see that I am not alone it not catching on to what Linda so adamantly wants to share.

Bless you!

Patti C.

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Dear Linda,

I am at a loss, and just want you to know that I agree with Gerlinda and really want you share what is so important, and if it is plainly there in Scripture, then get it down into a study and present it to all of us. I work hard on all the studies I do, and research a lot and always provide Biblical support it is time consuming and it is what the Holy Spirit is showing me. Why do I have to study something and read a list of books to just understand what you are trying to say? I don’t ask you to do that, I present the material and you read it and decide for yourself.

I would appreciate you answering the questions I ask…I would answer yours, and would like the same respect. Forgive me if I am just weary of playing this guessing game and truly do not have the time to spend reading books that I am not lead to read.

For now, unless you can provide the evidence to prove what you are trying to say, I am not interested in knowing about it. What I am learning and being shown is what I believe to be the Truth, and have no reason to search out another possibility unless I am given excellent, understandable information that would convince me to do so. So far you have not provided that. And I have watched many of the videos you present, and read everything you write.

So let us just love each other as sisters in Christ and move on in our own studies, and hope that those who are meant to get it will get it.

Bless you,

Patti C.

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Dear Patti and Gerlinda,

As this has obviously become contentious for both of you, as I stated before, this is not about who agrees with who. If you do not comprehend what I stated in my original post alone with the videos, that fit excellently with what Stacy posted...this message of understanding, is obviously not for you. A good resting place for both of you so that your peace can be still, is to remember now as I have stated before...

"I am speaking to the wind"!

The Most High carries it to the heart He designed to receive it. My compelled mission AGAIN, is to help in the process of Awakening His People...Physical Israel.

Awaken Israel Awaken! Eze 37
Arise Israel Arise! Rom 11

The world needs to see the light dawning on you...Awaken!

With Respect and Love,

Blessed Be His Name