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Re: Revelation, The 2 Witnesses, and The 144,000 have been REVEALED!

Hi sister,

I look forward to your input on this study, as I have found no one that I can talk to about it. I think that my walk with the Lord has gotten so far down the narrow path that I turned around and looked back and no one was in sight! This is a lonely feeling, and makes one question oneself as to weather or not to keep going or wait for someone to catch up to where you are, especially your family members. But I have come to realize that once you get so far down the narrow path in your walk with Jesus, you cannot stop and wait for people to catch up with your understanding and hope to convince them of the error of their ways. You have to continue on your journey, praying and relying on the Lords Spirit to convince others to come out of Babylon and repent!

I now understand what Zechariah 4:6 meant..............not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of Hosts.

Only by having out spiritual light ablaze from within us can we be a beacon to others and an example as to what we are witnessing to them. There is way to much learning and teaching to get people to understand at this late hour. They have to be taught by our example, our light that shines bright with the spirit of Christ from within us in order to convince them to listen, especially at this late stage in Biblical history.

Gerlinda, I sincerely believe what the Lord has taught me in my brief life time. And I have even asked him to be relieved of this grief and sadness that haunts me daily, and the responsibility that I feel, due to the amount of knowledge and understanding that he has given me. It is a very lonely feeling, although I except whatever is predestined, to feel so isolated from the ones you love, knowing they think you are crazy! What else would one expect? To think that you have some kind of special relationship with Jesus Christ, that they don't understand! That you have some kind of special understanding of the scriptures and tell them to stop celebrating christmas, easter, basically ALL HOLIDAYS, because they are worshipping demons by doing so!

What a mess! Yet I hang on to my hope and my faith, because I know the TRUTH! And that is the only thing that I have ever wanted to know, and, it is a prayer that the Lord has answered. I truly understand mankind from the beginning to the end, and where we are now in history. I long for it to end, but do not want to die. And I do not want to go through what I know is coming. But I have been prepared for this time, and just maybe, I can finish the race, and fulfill the Lords plans for the rest of my life.

Love, Michael

Re: Revelation, The 2 Witnesses, and The 144,000 have been REVEALED!


Hello Michael, Please forgive my taking this long in responding; so much going on in my life. There isn't anything I love more than studying Prophecy but life's demands require I stop to deal with the other less interesting but important duties. I hope I have put this together correctly. I decided to put your article in green so it could be read completely with insertions of my own in black at certain points. I couldn't respond to all of it so picked out the areas that I felt I could address and had the time to do it. You have done a lot of work on this. It is too bad that The Doves could not grasp what you were telling them. Perhaps some did but did not respond. But, it is like you say in regard to the fact a person has so much he wants to share that one gets tongue-tied so where does one start. I've had questions asked of me and didn't even know how to answer because I knew the person hadn't even gotten to first base. Of course, we sound crazy but really, we aren't...honest! So, here are my responses.

Revelation, The 2 Witnesses, and The 144,000 have been REVEALED!

"To ALL DOVES" Revelation has been revealed! We are in THE LAST DAYS!‏

Mike Plunkett 6/22/13
To: John Tng

TO ALL DOVES, brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus,

I have been holding back this post for 6 monthes now. To miss perfection in understanding is one thing, but to remain silent for fear of not being perfect in warning, is unexceptible. So I have prayed about this and I am now coming forth with this warning!

It is hard to eat meat with false teeth! And even harder to digest it! Yes, I am serious.

Have you ever wandered how to go about explaining a life time of stewardship by the Lord, of miracles, visions, understanding studies, prayers answered and dreams that only God can give you in your sleep, to someone in an hour, or day, or even a week, or even a year? Do you ever get tongue tied by the amount of information that wants to come forth from your lips that you become frustrated because you cannot seem to sync up with the point of someone else's level of understanding?

Jesus recently led me to the understanding of the 144,000 of revelation. Revelation 14:4 shows that they are the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. This means that they are of the first to be taken to heaven as a first offering because they were VIRGINS, or as II Corinthians 11:2 states:

For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

MANY ARE CALLED, BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN

These ones are male because revelation 14:4 says that they were not defiled with wemen. They are VIRGINS because they are not defiled with wemen or FALSE RELIGION! Revelation 17 explains FALSE RELIGION as a *****! Chaste means UNDEFILED or Undefiled by False Religion, OR the *****!

Revelation 1:1 states........The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Notice Jesus Sent his revelation, signified, to John.......his servant! Stay with me, this all ties together, you are going to love it! Remember he signified it! Signify means to make known by a sign!

So it is to be understood by Jesus' servants, in the end times, during the tribulation and before the Wrath of God!

The VERY FIRST place that ANY ONE goes to heaven in revelation is:

Revelation 11:12......And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

(A cloud would signify a mass; in this case, a mass of people, not just two individuals}

This is the VERY FIRST PLACE IN REVELATION that some one is TAKEN to HEAVEN! It is astounding that the world believes A RAPTURE is going to happen and take the church off the earth first, before the tribulation!(Agree) The bible proves that the 144,000 are the TWO WITNESSES of revelation 11. (First of all, they are the firstfruits and this chapter is the first place in revelation that anyone is taken to heaven.)

1. The first tie in of the 144,000 being the two witnesses!

2. The second tie in is the fact that they have to be killed in order to reappear in revelation 14 with Jesus on mount Sion!
Revelation 11:7..........And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
(So it seems)

......Notice that the beast has to make WAR with them. You would not word it as such if this were referring to TWO INDIVIDUALS! But it does make sense if you are talking about 144,000 made up of TWO KINGDOMS!
(Very good point)
3. The third tie in is that they are listed as the sealed servants of God in revelation 7 and are from the 12 tribes of Israel, 144,000 total, and Israel is made up of TWO kingdoms, the Northern and the Southern!
(Absolutely; if it were not so, the names of the tribes would not be listed. Since they are, they would be made up of the Faithful & True who have made Yeshua their Messiah and not adhered themselves to the Old Hebrew requirement of animal sacrifice. They follow the Lamb wherever He goes.)
In other words we have two witnesses...... The Northern Kingdom of tribes and the Southern Kingdom of tribes.

The Jewish tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi......... Called The Children of Israel that lived in and around Jerusalem and were called JEWS or ( the Southern Kingdom)!

AND..........

The lost 10 tribes of Israel, Reuben, Gad, A'ser, Neph'tha-lim, Ma-nas'ses, Simeon, Is'sa-char, Zab'u-Lon, Joseph, Benjamin........... Called The house of Israel, or (The Northern Kingdom)!
(And it is out of this Northern Tribe, that the A/C is prophesied by both Jacob and Dan, himself, before he died, when he gathered his children, said would come the one that would JUDGE his people. Isn't it interesting how the very ones that hold the legal system in their hands; not only in Israel but the Western World, is completely dominated by the Illuminati, whom not only made the laws but enforce their laws....not for justice but for their own gain. In Israel, the government buildings are a witness to this fact. And now, they will impose the Noahide Laws upon all with the added blessing of the Jesuit Babylonian religion at the Vatican)

The one kingdom was under the Laws of God Almighty and the other kingdom was under the Grace of God Almighty. They will be brought together and made ONE in EZEKIEL 37, summed up at 37:22........... And I will make them one land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

Fourthly, revelation 11:4 states.......These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Zechariah 4 tells us about the candlestick and the two olive trees when Jeshua was talking with an angel about his dream. There was only one candlestick at that time, the LAW! Zerubbabel and Jeshua were commisioned to be the civil and religious leaders of Jerusalem after the return from Egypt. Zerubbabel was to rebuild the temple and Joshua was high priest. Zechariah 4:14..........These were the two Olive Trees and were the ANNOINTED that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.
The two heavenly beings (literally two sons of (olive) oil), who were physically annointed with oil as part of their commisioning): Under the leadership of Jeshua and Zerabbabel, the religious and civic leaders of Jerusalem after coming out of Egypt, the temple of the Lord was rebuilt and worship was restored in Jerusalem. Zechariah chapter 3:8 tells of a shadow event that is to come later on:

Zechariah 3:8 NLT study bible........Listen to me, O Jeshua the high priest, and all you other priests. You are symbols of things to come. Soon I am going to bring my servant the BRANCH. Now look at the jewel I have set before Jeshua, a single stone with seven facets. I will engrave an inscription, Says the LORD of Heavens Armies, and I will remove the sins of this land in a single day.
(You point out a very important thing here to which I hadn't given much thought but it is awesome. The Branch, Jesus Christ is the single stone, described above and which the builders rejected and the seven facets seem to indicate all of "True Israel" that will be made up those that did not reject Him. In Revelation, we read about Him riding on His White Horse with a name that only He understands. He will return when the rest of the children of Israel cry out to Him, "Blessed is he that comes in the Name of the Lord". Psalm 118:26

Look here Michael, how well this description of of what you wrote concerning the inscription fits and that he will come with his army and remove their sin. Notice the one area concerning the name that no man knew...

Rev. 19:11-16 "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."



Here the angel of the Lord is talking about the future. Jesus is the BRANCH and the priests are SYMBOLS of things to come. What things? The commisioning and building of the civic and religious structure of Spiritual Jerusalem, led by Jesus Christ, the single stone with 7 facets. The 144,000 are the future priests that are annointed with oil and SEALED by this annointing in revelation 7. They are the future representation of the two olive trees and the two candlesticks of revelation 11:4. I believe they are the end times SONS OF THE OIL, and this is their calling card!

In Haggai 2:23 Zerabbabel was called a signet ring on the Lords finger. His story would be used in the end times to represent the rebuilt spiritual temple of HOLY JERUSALEM by Jesus Christ our Lord. Jesus would further reveal to his servants, in the book of revelation, SIGNIFIED by his angel to his servant John, things which must shortly come to pass. I believe his story reflects the church in the end times as well as the Jewish state of Israel. Both will need to be refined in the fire before they are taken off the earth when God pours out his Wrath on The EVIL LEFTOVERS after the harvest of the earth at revelation 14:14. The end times people of the house of Israel includes ALL of the Jews and ALL of the Christians that will be deliverred from bondage of Babylon and brought back together to live in the boundaries of Israel with Holy Jerusalem as the capital! Here is the mystery of Israel! Not all of Israel are Jewish but all Jews are of Israel. You see, the world has always known Who were Jews. But the 10 lost tribes were LOST to the world until the end times when they are to be revealed. Great studies have been done on this fact and the information is available to the TRUTH seeker, but you must DIG it up. It is in the Holy Bible all through out the old testament and into the new as well. The first and the last books of the bible are the keys!


I am in agreement that both gentile and natural Israel must be refined but will be delivered from the bondage of Mystery Babylon through the Blood of the Lamb. And, the Lost Tribe of Israel is so spread around the world that they don't even know that they are of the original 10 Northern Tribes. However, it seems, more and more are discovering their families were of the stock of Abraham's lineage through Jacob and his sons that were divided into the two Houses of Israel. Also, they have intermarried with the Gentiles, which doesn't seem to be such a no, no, anymore since the blood-line of a pure DNA lineage required out of which would come Jesus Christ was kept pure, He came, purchased our redemption thus we now understand that it is natural Olive and the grafted in Olive that make up The BRANCH..The Root...Yeshua haMashiac. The emphasis should no longer be on who is who but that all now make up the Body of Our Redeemer and we shall rule and reign with Him for a thousand years. Agree with you that the Two Olive Branches and Two Candle Sticks are this grand group.

We know that the plans for a physical temple is going forth in Israel that is all part of the Illuminati desire to re-construct the Temple of Solomon and we do not want anything to do with that now that we understand this this is Zionism and not a good thing at all. However in Ezekiel 43: 1-2 , it begins, with Ezekiel being shown that the Glory of the God of Israel was coming from the way of the east. And His voice was like the sound of many waters; and the earth shone with His glory. We know this in the End of Days because in verse 8, Jesus complains about them setting up their threshold by his threshold and their door post beside His doorpost with only the wall between Him and and them.
1Then he led me to the gate, the gate facing toward the east; 2and behold, the glory of the God of Israel was coming from the way of the east. And His voice was like the sound of many waters; and the earth shone with His glory. 3And it was like the appearance of the vision which I saw, like the vision which I saw when He came to destroy the city. And the visions were like the vision which I saw by the river Chebar; and I fell on my face. 4And the glory of the LORD came into the house by the way of the gate facing toward the east. 5And the Spirit lifted me up and brought me into the inner court; and behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house. 6Then I heard one speaking to me from the house, while a man was standing beside me. 7He said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the sons of Israel forever. And the house of Israel will not again defile My holy name, neither they nor their kings, by their harlotry and by the corpses of their kings when they die, 8by setting their threshold by My threshold and their door post beside My door post, with only the wall between Me and them. And they have defiled My holy name by their abominations which they have committed. So I have consumed them in My anger. 9“Now let them put away their harlotry and the corpses of their kings far from Me; and I will dwell among them forever.

AND then down in Ezekiel 43:10 the Lord says,
"Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
So what you are going on to say could well be the ones that will do service in this Temple that is of God as shown to Eziekel. It is so grand that none of the other temples even came close to it; not even Solomon's. Your explanation of the 144,000, each out of the 12 tribes mentioned (natural & spiritually pure Israel) would be the number that would be Caught Up before the Wrath of God. For sure, it isn't before the Great Tribulation of 3 1/2 years and it isn't a great number in light of the population of this world but those few that took the Way through the Door and took the narrow path. More and more, I have come to realize that restriction is made and not all inclusive of those that call themselves 'lambs' but are the 'goats'.

So, Michael, I am going to stop at this point and say that what you have shown has a lot of merit and deep thought given to it. This subject is hard for most to digest because the natural and the spiritual are so close yet so far apart. I certainly agree to all you say regarding those who are considered "Virgins" are speaking of "Spiritual Virgins" not natural virgins. It is about what God does for mankind, wipes away all of their sin and raises them up to become His children, out of which, he raises a priesthood for the future. And, although this may rile some women, priests are an office given to men, never a woman. Thank you for sharing and I will include the rest of your post in this reply. ok? gerlinda


Revelation 20:4-6 says that they were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years, they were part of the first resurrection, and they shall be priests of God and Christ. This is talking about the 144,000 VIRGIN ISRAELITES that are broken down into TWO WITNESSES or TWO KINGDOMS, each with 12,000 individuals that have NOTHING to do with FALSE RELIGION...... or the ***** of Babylon that has deceived the entire earth!

Another tie in is the fact that revelation 21:9 and 10 tells us that "Holy Jerusalem" is the BRIDE OF CHRIST! The church is made up of living stones that are the building blocks of this great city. So the church takes part in the celebration of the wedding supper as they are part of Holy Jerusalem. They were harvested from the earth at revelation 14:14 and 15, cutting short the days of the end times for them to be spared the WRATH OF GOD at revelation 16 when the vials of the wrath of God are poured out! The church is not spared persecution and tribulations by this world and its evil rulership! Read II Thessalonians 1:4..........So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for all your patience and faith in your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

The churches of God clearly suffer persecutions and tribulations! BUT are spared the WRATH OF GOD! The days of the tribulation are cut short by the harvest of the earth at revelation 14:14! God gets fed up and takes his church, dead and alive beings, and translates them into immortal beings at THAT MOMENT then unleashes his WRATH (rev. 16) upon the rest of the evil people left that took the mark of the beast and worshipped the beast!

I believe that the end times church will suffer tribulations and persecutions (or be purified by fire so to speak) because of the deception of Satan that has caused the whole world to be deceived into worshipping pagan gods on pagan days that have been set up by the Babylonian system of worship presented to the world by NIMROD, the first world order leader. If one studies and looks into this, one can find the truth! And the truth sets one free from Babylon and the worship of demons and devils and their false worship on false days. During the end times ALL Christians are hated and the devil goes after them and kills many. But the Two witnesses are so hated by him that he brings them to Jerusalem to be beheaded and leaves their dead bodies in the streets as a warning to all who resist the mark of the beast and the worship of his abomination of desolation that he sets up in the temple. The sick part is that many people will celebrate this event because they were tormented by this truth that the 144,000 warriors of God spread upon the earth:

Revelation 11:10......And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Another point about the 144,000 representing the twelve tribes of Israel as the two witnesses is Isaiah 43..........read the entire chapter. Jacob and Israel are called the Lords witnesses and are his. This is said over and over again, ye are my witnesses.

Also, the 144,000 are associated with Johns measuring of the temple of God at revelation 11 where it talks about the tributes of the two witnesses. This association with Holy Jerusalem can be found at revelation 21:12......... And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13....... On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. 14........ And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.15........And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. 16......... And the city lieth four square, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. 17........And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

One can clearly see the association of the 144,000 with the two witnesses, the measurements and the numbers of Holy Jerusalem, and the construction of it even mentions the twelve tribes by name representing the gates into the Holy city. Clearly these people of the 144,000 are a special calling out in the end times for a purpose to warn the world of the deception that has been foisted upon mankind into a deep sleep as to the truth that is coming upon the earth! The facts are that the 144,000 are the firstfruits and are the first ones taken to heaven as the two witnesses to the world. What do they witness? The false teachings that have infiltrated the church and caused the whole world to be deceived into thinking that the church is going to escape tribulation and persecution. If one studies revelation they can find that to be FALSE. It has been twisted so that many are deceived into not worrying about the coming nightmare by the anti-christ and the false prophet and will be caught in the trap. By not fleeing at the proper time, people will be killed, rounded up and hauled off to camps to be killed and tortured, and submitted to the mark of the beast in order to buy and sell. Preppers, as they are called today, and Christians that have come OUT OF BABYLON, are the ones that are awake to the reality and ready to fight for survival. I believe them to be the last bastion of hope for the sleeping masses! But they will be the first ones targetted by this evil entity and it's demons.

To see and understand the deception, read Luke 17 KJV.......... very carefully! Notice starting at:

Luke 17:22............ And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the son of man, and ye shall not see it.
Luke 23.......... And they shall say to you, See here; or see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
Luke 24.......... For as the lightening, that lighteneth out of one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

Jesus is talking TO the disciples about the rapture. There will come a time when they will long to see "one of the days of the son of man"..... The Rapture is the day that the world is longing to see now. And ye shall not see it. And they shall say to you, See here; or see there: go not after them, nor follow them. Verse 24 proves that Jesus will be OBVIOUS when he appears in his day, as lightening lights up the heavens when it flashes, it is seen everywhere. And that will be at Armegeddon, when he returns in full battle formation with his army on horses to retake control of the earth, beginning at Revelation 19:11. The transformation from corruptible to in-corruptible will happen in the TWINKLE OF AN EYE! This will not be discernible to anyone because it happens instantly, and the world has been deceived about it!


27....... They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that No'e entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

This suggests homosexuality! The pronoun THEY is used twice! The first time conveys men. So the second time suggests men were given in marriage. Since the bride is the one usually given in marriage, it would mean that men were given to other men!

This is the BIG ONE that provokes Gods anger to ACT! Just as the perversion in Noahs day and Lots days of Sodom And Gamorah! Homosexual perversion was rampant! This leads to TOTAL LAWLESSNESS and immorality and has to be put down!

28......... Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29......... But the same DAY that Lot went out of Sodom

Re: Revelation, The 2 Witnesses, and The 144,000 have been REVEALED!

Thank you sister! And hang on tight, because we are in for one wild ride from here on out!

YBIC

Michael

Re: Revelation, The 2 Witnesses, and The 144,000 have been REVEALED!

Revelation 11:12......And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
(A cloud would signify a mass; in this case, a mass of people, not just two individuals}



Hello, without going into a long post, Jesus (one being) ascended into a cloud.
Act_1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.


Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

I believe from these scriptures, that the two witnesses, two olive trees, and the two candlesticks, are the two prophets.
One of them will be Elijah.
Mal_4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:



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Thank you Richard, Perhaps, it would have been better to have said, "A cloud COULD signify a mass". Yes, Jesus was received into a cloud.

Concerning Elijah:

The Jewish religious leaders of Jesus' day were well aware of the 'return of Elijah' prophecy. At one time the rabbis had asked Jesus' disciples to explain how Jesus could possibly have been the Messiah when it was obvious that Elijah had not returned from heaven yet.

The Apostles couldn't answer this question, so they asked Jesus:

"Why do the Jewish leaders insist Elijah must return before the Messiah comes?"

Jesus answered by first affirming that this question was valid and that this prophecy indeed was true. He said:
"They are right. Elijah must come and set everything in order..."

But then, to everyone's surprise, Jesus explained:
"In fact, he [Elijah] already has come, but he wasn't recognized, and was badly mistreated by many... Then the disciples realized he was speaking of John the Baptist."-Matthew 17:10-13
(LIVING BIBLE-CATHOLIC EDITION) (this account can also be found in: Mark 9:11-13)

Clearly, Jesus taught that this was a true prophecy. Jesus agreed that Elijah indeed "must return before the Messiah comes." But then, to the surprise to everyone there, Jesus claimed that John the Baptist was the fulfillment of this prophecy.

http://bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled/elijah.htm

And to this day, the Jews await Elijah, having missed him in the person of John the Baptist and also missing their "Salvation"

Here is the KJV of Matthew 17:10-13

10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? 11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. 12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. 13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.


gerlinda

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Hello Gerlinda, yes those verses are speaking of John the Baptist being Elijah, at the first coming of Christ.

I see Mal_4 being about Jesus wrath.

Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Mal 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

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I am a bit confused Richard, We know that Elijah the prophet came the first time in the Old Testament, then Jesus attests to the fact that he came again in the person of John the Baptist in the New Testament, so that makes two trips. Are you saying that Elijah is coming a third time?

"In fact, he [Elijah] already has come, but he wasn't recognized, and was badly mistreated by many... Then the disciples realized he was speaking of John the Baptist."-Matthew 17:10-13


I think maybe you are thinking that Elijah coming before the Wrath of God makes you put that coming right before.... when, in reality, there is no clear time line given here except 'BEFORE'.

Time to God is not the same as it is to us impatient people.

But, hey Richard, if you can give me scripture that he is to come three times, I can accept this correction.

Thanks,
gerlinda

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You may be right Gerlinda,
it's just hard for me to believe that Elijah's coming before the great and dreadful day of the lord in Mal_4:5 is over two thousand years before.

There is argument that John the Baptist was in the Spirit of Elijah.
When asked if he was Elijah, John said no.

Joh_1:21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.

There is also argument to the contary.

But we can disagree on this. I'm not certain on it.

G2243
Ἡλίας
Hēlias
hay-lee'-as
Of Hebrew origin [H452]; Helias (that is, Elijah), an Israelite: - Elias.

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Richard,

Read Deuteronomy 18:15-18 and Acts 3:18-26. Moses is not one of them. Elijah is not one of them because Jesus was the prophet spoken of by Moses and Malachi 4:5!

Also read Isaiah 43. The house of Israel, the house of Jacob, (the Northern tribes) and (the Southern tribes) are clearly stated as being Gods witnesses. And Isaiah 44:8....ye are even my witnesses. There it is in black and white in the Holy Bible. To me, it is clear who the two witnesses are in revelation, these TWO (2) divided houses of Israel. Who is it that witnesses about Jehovah God Almighty and Jesus Christ his son, right now, and always has? The Jews (the Southern tribes) and the CHURCH of God, Christians, (the Northern tribes). They will be reunited in Holy Jerusalem, the Lambs wife, during the 1000 year millenium, Revelation 21:9 & 10. Ezekiel 37........the entire chapter tells of the WHOLE house of Israel being reunited from 2 sticks and made into one stick....verse 16.

The whole house of Israel represents all of physical Israel to be taught Gods TRUTHS by the 144,000 that will be brought forward during the tribulation, to be Gods witnesses, to COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE!


Isaiah 43:10.......Ye are my witnesses, sayeth the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
YBIC
Michael

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Richard and Gerlinda,

Also read John 6:14......Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come in to the world.

And John 7:40.......Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet.

Michael

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Jesus was the prophet spoken of by Moses and Malachi 4:5!


Hi,

Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

You must have meant another verse?

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Richard,

I believe that reading Acts 3...the whole chapter...will explain what Michael is saying here. It tells that, Moses and the prophets fore-told of this "Prophet", who is Christ, should suffer, which he hath so fulfilled.

Especially, down in verse 21, "Whom the heaven must receive until the times of the restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. 22. For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things, whatsoever he shall say unto you......." Verse 26 "Unto you first, God having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities".

Jesus Christ, it is very clear, is referred to as a prophet. Also, it is He that had to come first to fulfill all things, whom the heaven must receive UNTIL the time of restitution of all things, which would be the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord comes.

It is no wonder that Jesus, when He was reading out of the Book of Isaiah in the Synagogue about fulfilling the prophecies only read the first part that spoke about his first coming and then sat down, leaving the Jews puzzled. This explains why the last part will be fulfill thus fulfilling the rest of the prophecy regarding the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord.

This is a revealing to me also, a great revealing. We sure can see how the modern day teachers/preachers have mis-represented this truth here by making us keep thinking we had to wait for Elijah.

PS I cannot find the scripture that Jesus was reading when he stopped mid-way and sat down but I am sure you and Michael both know of which I am speaking.

I thank you Michael and you Richard because this is bringing it all to light and clearing up so much confusion.

gerlinda

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Jesus Christ, it is very clear, is referred to as a prophet. Also, it is He that had to come first to fulfill all things,


Hi,
Mat_17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.


Verse 21 of acts 3 is about Jesus going to Heaven after His first coming, until the time of restoration at his second coming.

Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.