Dear Steven,

Thanks for putting those on for me, and thank you also for your comments about this. I agree with you wholeheartedly about this issue not making a spiritual impact on what the Bible tells us, and salvation issues. My very first thought was "so what"...it does not matter what skin tone the Israelites had, Christ came to save all mankind.

What blows me away is how deep the deception has gone all these generations, and how man has so deviously tried to keep this truth from us, by changing Jesus to being white, and disregarding the heritage of the Hebrew and replacing them with fake Jews! It is obvious it was advantageous to the evil ones agenda to keep mankind in the dark about this.

Does knowing this change the plan of God,? No!
Does knowing this show the depth of deception of Satan? Yes!!

I guess that is what impacted me the most...and what I am conveying by sharing this information.

Thanks again for all you do to make this site so informative and unique.

Agape!

Patti C.

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Shem, Sons of Noah Shem


Born
1557 AM
(date disputed)[note 1]

Children
Elam
Asshur
Arphaxad
Lud
Aram

Parents
Noah





Shem Ham and Japheth by James Tissot 1904.
Shem (Hebrew: שֵם, Modern Shem Tiberian Šēm ; Greek: Σημ Sēm; Arabic: سام Sām; Ge'ez: ሴም, Sēm; "renown; prosperity; name") was one of the sons of Noah in the Hebrew Bible as well as in Islamic literature. He is popularly regarded as the eldest son, though some regard him as the second son. According to some Rabbinic traditions, Shem was born without a foreskin (aposthia); which may indicate a basis for circumcision that predates the covenant of Abraham. There is however, no explicit indication of this in the Genesis text. Genesis 10:21 refers to relative ages of Shem and his brother Japheth, but with sufficient ambiguity to have yielded different translations. The verse is translated in the KJV as "Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were children born.". However, the New American Standard Bible gives, "Also to Shem, the father of all the children of Eber, and the older brother of Japheth, children were born."

Genesis 11:10 records that Shem was still 100 years old at the birth of Arphaxad, (but nearly 101 - see Chronology note,) two years after the flood, making him barely 99 at the time the flood began; and that he lived for another 500 years after this, making his age at death 600 years.

The children of Shem were Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud, and Aram, in addition to daughters. Abraham, the patriarch of the Hebrews and Arabs, was one of the descendants of Arphaxad.

Islamic literature describes Shem as one of the believing sons of Noah. Some sources even identify Shem as a prophet in his own right and that he was the next prophet after his father. In one Muslim legend, Shem was one of the people that God made Jesus resurrect as a sign to the Children of Israel.

The 1st-century historian Flavius Josephus, among many others, recounted the tradition that these five sons were the progenitors of the nations of Elam, Assyria, Chaldea, Lydia, and Syria, respectively.

The associated term Semitic is still a commonly used term for the Semitic languages, as a subset of the Afro-Asiatic languages, denoting the common linguistic heritage of Arabic, Aramaic, Akkadian, Ethiopic, Hebrew and Phoenician languages.

According to some Jewish traditions (e.g., B. Talmud Nedarim 32b; Genesis Rabbah 46:7; Genesis Rabbah 56:10; Leviticus Rabbah 25:6; Numbers Rabbah 4:8.), Shem is believed to have been Melchizedek, King of Salem whom Abraham is recorded to have met after the battle of the four kings.

In a few of the many extra-biblical sources that describe him, Shem is also credited with killing Nimrod, son of Cush.[citation needed]

Shem is mentioned in Genesis 5:32, 6:10; 7:13; 9:18,23,26-27; 10; 11:10; also in 1 Chronicles 1:4.





Geographic identifications of Flavius Josephus, c. 100 AD; Japheth's sons shown in red, Ham's sons in blue, Shem's sons in green.


Contents [hide]
1 Proposed lineages from Shem 1.1 Descendants in Genesis 10 and 11
1.2 Europeans 1.2.1 Germanic
1.2.2 Hellenistic (Greek)
1.2.3 Indo-Iranians


2 Racial connotations
3 Genealogies according to "Book of Jasher"
4 See also
5 Footnotes 5.1 Notes
5.2 References

6 External links


Proposed lineages from Shem[edit]

Descendants in Genesis 10 and 11[edit]


According to the Bible, Genesis 10:22-31

22 The children of Shem: Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad and Lud and Aram.
23 And the children of Aram; Uz and Hul, and Gether and Mash.
24 And Arphaxad begat Salah and Salah begat Eber.
25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one [was] Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided;
and his brother's name [was] Joktan.
26 And Joktan begat Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazarmaveth, and Jerah.
27 And Hadoram, and Uzal and Diklah,
28 And Obal, and Abimael and Sheba,
29 And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab: all these were the sons of Joktan.
30 And their dwelling was from Mesha, as thou goest unto Sephar a mount of the east
31 These [are] the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations.

Excerpts from Genesis 11:10-26—


Shem [was] an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood ...
Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah ...
Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber ...
Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg ...
Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu ...
Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug ...
Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor ...
Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah ...
Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran ... and Haran begat Lot

Europeans[edit]

Some believe that from Shem descend the whole of the European peoples. Ernest L. Martin writes, "...[The] Shemite tribes (people who were descendants of Shem and including some peoples who came from Abraham) later colonized the whole of southern Europe and replaced the people of Javan and his four descendants. Javan's people were pushed mainly into the northern areas of Europe where in turn they migrated farther east into Asia (along with Gomer the firstborn son of Japheth and his descendants)." [5]

Germanic[edit]

Some scholars have claimed that the Anglo-Saxons are the descendants of Shem. "Alfred, king of the Anglo-Saxons [b. 849 A.D.] was... the son [descendant] of Sem [Shem]" (Church Historians of England, vol. 2, p. 443). Proponents of this theory also claim that Alfred the Great was a descendant of Shem because he claimed to descend from Sceafa, a marooned man who came to Britain on a boat after a flood.[citation needed]

Le Petit, a writer in 1601 mentioned King Adel, said to be descendant of Shem, ruler of Britain having 3 children that migrated to India.

Further, it is said[who?] that Tuitsch a German patriarch is none other than Shem himself (see Assyrian-German theory).

Hellenistic (Greek)[edit]

A text from the Islamic world claims that the Greeks derived from Shem: Tabari II:11 “Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks;...”

In the Chronicles of George the Monk and Symeon Logothetes, the following genealogy occurs: "To the lot of Shem fell the Orient, and his share extended lengthwise as far as India and breadthwise (from east to south) as far as Phinocorura, including Persia and Bactria, as well as Syria, Media (which lies beside the Euphrates River), Babylon, Cordyna, Assyria, Mesopotamia, Arabia the Ancient, Elymais, India, Arabia the Mighty, Coelesyria, Commagene, and all Phoenicia."

Indo-Iranians[edit]

According to Abulgazi, Shem's original land was Iran while Japheth's was the country called "Kuttup Shamach," said to be the name of the regions between the Caspian Sea and India.

According to Armenian tradition, Dr. Hales is quoted saying, "To the sons of Shem was alloted the middle region of the earth viz., Palestine, Syria, Assyria, Samaria (Shinar?) Babel (or Babylonia), Persia and Hedjaz (Arabia).

In Mystery of the Ages, by Dr. James Modlish, it is said that that north-west part of South Asia is inhabited by Shemites.

Hisham Ibn Al-Kalbi, a 19th-century Arab historian, states that al-Hind and al-Sind are of Ophir, the son of Joktan.[10] Isidore of Seville (c. 635) had also made Joktan the ancestor of the natives of north-west part of South Asia; his material was based on earlier enumerations made by Jerome and Josephus, who had stated that Joktan's descendants "inhabited from Cophen, an Indian river, and in part of Asia adjoining to it."

Racial connotations[edit]

Some writers have associated Noah's sons with different skin colors or alleged races. For instance the Jewish text Pirqei R. Eliezer, depicts God as dividing the earth among Noah's sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth,[note 2] and attributing different skin colors to them (literally, "blessing" them with different skin colors): light colored skin for the Japhetites, medium dark or brown for the Semites, and very dark or black for the Hamites.[citation needed]

That passage from Pirqei R. Eliezer, a writing which was composed in Israel after[according to whom?] the Islamic conquest, is paralleled in an Arabic text of approximately the same period but gives some noticeably different information. The Persian historian Tabari quotes Ibn Abbas (d. 686- as saying: "Born to Noah were Shem, whose descendants' colors are a black complexion with a light-brownish undertone (bayādh) and a dark blackish brown (Udmah); Ham, whose descendants' colors are true black (sawād) and a few are a black complexion with a light-brownish undertone (bayādh qalīl); and Japheth, whose descendants are very fair-skinned (al-shuqrah) and olive-skinned (al-humrah)". (Tarikh al-Tabari)[full citation needed]

Tabari repeats that tradition again in the name of Ibn Abbas, but this time has dark, blackish brown (Udmah) and a few are a black complexion with a light-brownish undertone (bayādh qalīl) for Ham. So dark blackish brown (udmah) is used instead of true black (sawād). "Udmah" is described as deep sumra.[citation needed] Ibn Mandhur[who?] describes sumrah as wurqah, which is translated[by whom?] as blackness in the color of the earth (sawaad feel-ghabrah), and ranges all the way to true black (sawād).[citation needed]

Al-Tha'aalabi says in his book Fiqh Al-Lughah (Understanding Language) in chapter 13 titled 'The Degrees of Blackness in Humans': "If there is a slight blackness in his/her complexion, he/she is asmar (sumrah). If his/her blackness is more intense with some yellow showing, he/she is as-ham. If his/her blackness is more intense than asmar, he/she is Adam (udmah). If his/her blackness is more intense than that of Adam, he/she is asham. If he/she is extremely black, he/she is adlam (dalam)."[citation needed]

Bar Hebraeus speaks of Noah dividing the world among his three sons, with Ham getting the Land of the Blacks (sūdān), Shem the Land of the Browns (sumra), and Japheth the Land of the Reds (łuqra).[11][full citation needed]

Josiah Priest (1788–1851) believed that Shem, because he was a descendant in the Adamic line, and because "Adam" means reddish in Hebrew, that Shem too was of the "reddish race". Further, he believed that because Christ was a descendant in the line of Shem, that Christ was of "copper-colored stock".[12]

According to ISBE, Shem means "dusky", and Japheth means "fair." [13]

According to an Armenian tradition, "Shem had the region of the tawny, Japhet that of the ruddy, and Ham that of the blacks".[14]

Genealogies according to "Book of Jasher"[edit]





The genealogy of Shem to Abraham according to the Holy Bible, showing the origin of the Moabites, Israelites, Ammonites, Ishmaelites, Edomites, Midianites, Assurites, Leturites and Leumites.
A rabbinic document that surfaced in the 17th century, claiming to be the lost "Book of Jasher" provides some names not found in any other source. Some have reconstructed more complete genealogies based on this information as follows:

Shem. Also Sem Literal meanings are named or renown (father of the Semitic races - Shemites). The sons of Shem were:
Elam "eternity" (sons were Shushan, Machul and Harmon)[15] - (Elamites and Khuzestanis)[16]
Asshur "a step" or "strong" (sons were Mirus and Mokil)[17] - (Assyrians)
Arphaxad (sons were Shelach, Anar and Ashcol)[17] - Chaldeans, Hebrews (Israelites, Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Ishmaelites, and Qahtanites)
Ziezi - son of Shem and a grandson of Noah. His name is mentioned in the excerpt Ziezi ex quo vulgares meaning "Ziezi, of whom the Bulgars" but being regarded by some as the first European reference to the Bulgars as a people. (Bulgars and Thracians—though modern scholarship classifies neither as Semitic; the former being Turkic and the latter Indo-European)
Lud "strife" (sons were Pethor and Bizayon)[18] - (Ludim, Lubim, Ludians, Ludu, Lydians, and other related groups in Asia Minor—generally classified today as Indo-European).
Aram "exalted" (sons were Uz, Chul, Gather and Mash)[18] - (Aramaeans).

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Explains Jesus Wasnt
A Black Man He Was A Dark Brown
Man With Kinky Hair Black Skin Ppl Get MADD All YOU HOLLA JESUS WAS BLACK HE WASN'T AND YOU NEED TO ACCEPT THE TRUTH

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Hello All,

I want to say that I am thankful for Patti's self investigation concerning this issue and obviously she has chosen to share what she has found all on her own. Like me, it didn't take very long, I just followed the map "Christ" laid out in His word, that is all you need, really.

Tex Marrs was instrumental in the beginning of my personal research when in March 2013, he revealed the findings concerning "Those that say they are Jews and are not, but Karzars", and we began to delve into it to find the truth. And low and behold here he is again with supposedly more information, but this time ALL the Israelite's are from four European white women...umm!

I must say, that I have not from the very beginning posted information here to stir the pot or to make a difference in importance of any people based on complexion of skin, and I have been very clear about that. However, we all have been made aware of the lies we've been living under for the last 2000 years, whether we want to accept them or not. The information I have posted along with, now Patti, is a direct result of "facing this truth". It is shocking JUST as Steven has stated, to say the least.

Concerning the video Steven posted on this thread, the man in the video is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! For there ARE NO BLACK people. Black is the color of a crayon. It just so happens, these are the identifying marks that have been given to so-called black people and the young man knows this. All of us should know this, because through the many years, transitions in the way that this particular group of people have been identified, on simple applications for a job has been

Negro - the very people who were taken from the West Coast of Africa and sold throughout the world as slaves.
Colored
Black
Afro/American and now
African/American

This is part of the curse, that they would not know who they are, nor would they consider. Isa 1:3

Zondervan's Bible Dictionary: Ham was the progenitor of the DARK races but not the NEGROS: Egyptians, Libyans, Canaanites and Ethiopians [these were Hamites].

I would hate for this topic to be turned into something ugly opposed to us as believers simply facing the truth. It never was about one race over another but about the REAL Israelite's, the real cold, hard truth. There has been a conspiracy and the Lord is awakening us to the truth, the truth of Psalm 83.

We are all aware that we have interpreted this scripture as a war, haven't we? As a conspiracy that the name of Israel be "remembered no more". Well, if those jews over there are not the "Jews", and were placed there by the U.N for political reasons, then why would this particular scripture fit them in the prophetic scheme of things? I believe, it is to deceive the Church! Just like the visit of March 22, 2013. After all, we ask no questions, battle each other and believe everything, and it appears Satan is using the bible as a play book. Again, this is part of that truth, and it is what it is. They, to most of us, have accomplished a grand delusion, the mother of all delusions so far. Look how hard it is for us to accept it!

If we would just read the scripture and stop making it so difficult, Christ makes His plan plain, and He does nothing unless He reveals His plan to His servants the prophets,[paraphrased] Amos 3:7. And if at some point we do not understand, He would make it clear to us. If we would look at scripture again, we would see that what is happening there is strictly by man's own hand and God knew it and is angry about it. Read it in Eze 35 and 36. This will tell us all, what is going on, outside of DNA testing or man's opinion. If we would just read the word, we would see that Israel will not make it back there, until He returns and that alone would show us..."the blasphemy of those who say they are jews and are not" is the reality of scripture spoken of in Rev 2:9 and 3:9.

Christ is our Lord and King, and He has made a way for all of us to become one...through His blood, both Israel and Gentile. There is a reason He preserved some of the branches during the election of grace - the remnant, because it is to the Jew first. But He does have a wife who IS wayward and He IS coming back after her. It just so happens the original Israelite's were "Burnish Bronze" in complexion. And within the Negro/African American community they have many different shades of skin, but none black.

"Israel" went into Egypt a total group of 70 [including Joseph's family] people, and came out over 600,000 men strong predominantly Israel, others were among them who had joined themselves to Israel and their God. At that point they were all considered Israel and fell under the same blessings and care of Israel, but only two men; an Israelite and a Gentile over twenty years of age [if I remember correctly], made it to the promised land.

Narrow is the gate brothers and sisters.

I pray this is a topic worthy of respect and not contention, for we are all His whether Israelite or Gentile, whether bronze, burnished bronze, french vanilla, almond or powdered pink, if we are in Christ.

I Love you All,

Blessed Be His Name

Hi Linda,

Well said! I am so glad you joined this discussion because you are so knowledgeable on this subject and I am new to all this. Yes, when I think of a “black” person I think dark brown, as the use of black was a politically correct term as to not use “Negro” as a label.

I never realized that there is much information out there about all this and it has been the topic of many discussions over the years. The website I gave in my post above is a good one with lots of videos. But, I just tried to access it from the post and it did not work….so I am giving it another try and hopefully this one will work:

Link of article or video : http://www.blackjesus.com

Thanks again Linda, for bringing this subject to my attention and for all the information you have provided about it.

You Sister In Christ,

Patti C.

Thanks Again Patti,

I finally have someone out there among us that actually looked into it. This is the very reason I wrote "Facing The Truth"! I have been moved to tears often about it, because it DOES make me look at scripture in a whole new light. It has made me understand prophesy in a new light from what we have been taught as well. This is the reason I have a whole new interest in the pre-wrath scenario.

This is the pill I was talking about. And if it awakened only one soul to the truth, that is what Christ intended and I am grateful. It is sad that not many and so few will even respond concerning the thoughts they ponder, I know they have them...I did. It also makes me wonder why people in general do not post or even respond to any of the post. Are we that cowardly as a body? Or am I missing something? What is it we fear?

THIS is the time we should be encouraging each other in a huge way, because I believe the ball is about to drop, and before long we will loose contact with each other. THIS is the time for us to draw close and to strengthen our bond between each other, because our time together is so short; the sheep are about to be scattered. Can't each of you feel it? Can't you see it? Don't you know it? But we act as if we are afraid of dialog, unless it is something about the rapture or Ison or earth changes. What is wrong with us?

It is my observation that the Most High is not playing around anymore with us and our preconceived ideas and notions. He means what He says and He says what He means, it is simple. We all have been deceived by Satan and it is high time we wake up to the truth and eat the bitter fruit of the scripture as He wrote it. Yes, it will be sweet as we chew, but when it settles in our stomach, it carries a punch that is very bitter. We are His and those that are His follow Him and His EVERY word. He didn't leave anything to our imagination...it is all there right before us.

It is time we put aside what man thinks he understands and hold on to Christ as if, if we gave an inch we would fall away from His hand. There is a reason He said "work out" your salvation with "fear and trembling". Paul ran the race as if to WIN the prize. Christ didn't set us free to be saved and sit down and relax and wait. There is a reason He said Faith without works is dead. FIND OUT WHAT THAT MEANS! PAUL knew what it meant and was on board. I believe this is why He is bringing all these things to light and those that want to know the truth, will seek it out...unafraid. But let me warn ya, it is FAITH SHAKING...where will you stand afterwards in your confidence in Him? For me, I tremble...but He brings me comfort. He has also brought me comfort through sisters such as Gerlinda and Patti, thank you both so much! I can cry right now, because I have felt so alone in this revelation, because we are so few and far between. Many! are waking up to the truth of this but believe me, those that are, are NOT your neighbors.

He has awakened me to the truth and now I am asking Him to give me the same or even a stronger confidence in Him as before. I pray this topic changes something in each of you. I pray that it shakes you to move, to inquire of the Most High and what - if anything - He wants each of you to do. For He is tearing down much of what I had confidence in and making me take a closer look at His simple word, and this is why my family and I have reconsidered what it is He means by "obey My commandments".

I was reading the other day Mark 12:29-31

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

I compared this with the Commandments as they were written in Ex 20:3-8 and understood this to say, based on the four descriptions He used; heart, soul, mind and strength in Mark 12:30. He also said it in Deut 6:4-5, enhancing the Old with the New.

If you love ME with all your:

1. Heart: You Will have NO god's before Me.

*Women you KNOW what this means, just let us fall in love, we give them our whole heart, don't we?

2. Soul: Make for yourselves no carved images - any likeness of anything in heaven above or in the earth below, and shall not bow down to them, for I am a jealous God.

* Does this ring a bell to anyone? How about crosses? When we see these does it pierce your heart? Do we bow to these? Yes, many do! Does wearing one of these do anything to you emotionally? This feeling is a matter of the soul, where our emotions are kept.

3. Mind: You shall not take the Lord's name in vain

*Where does this thought originate, to even do such a thing? In the heart; for what we believe in our heart is brought about in our minds. He desires our thoughts to be stayed on Him and all that we can do to please Him.

4. Strength: This is where I had to question, what does He mean by this. This is where He took me...straight to commandment #4. Strength is the fourth description of what He said was His number ONE commandment of all, and Honor My Sabbath Day and keep it holy, #4.

Why would we need strength to do this. It has to do with rest. He did not make Himself known to us for us to believe we have to do nothing. Ask yourselves how many times does He iterate in the scriptures...keep My commandments? "If you love Me, keep My commandments". It MUST take some level of strength.

Have we misunderstood Paul's letters? I believe we have. Has this been part of the lie? I believe it is. Will we wake up to the truth of the matter, I don't know, because we can't face or discuss the things He is placing right in our faces. I am, and it doesn't matter how un-nerving it is, for all of us that decide to get it! it won't feel good, and you will seem to be outside the norm to your family and friends, even our brothers and sisters in the Lord. But isn't this the way He said it would be? For we are a chosen nation, a royal priesthood, a people who are all His own. I pray this all makes sense, even to the most divisive, negative and skeptical sheep among us.

I Love You All,

Blessed Be His Name

Hi Linda,

In short and not all the information is posted here...

I have tons of people from FIVE DOVES


People from Christian New reporting emailing list that are either afraid to share this site and the Pre Wrath rapture position


I have been emailing them in the background back and forth and they refuse to share this site and the Pre Wrath rapture positions.

They take the links and go straight to the YOUTUBE video or the article and NEVER give credit to this site because they do NOT want to admit that they have been sharing BAD FALSE DOCTRINE for whatever reason.

ONLY GOD KNOWS.

I can only post and share as the LORD leads but many will be ashamed when they are before God and not telling the TRUTH.

They want to believe the LIES and continue to propogate them.


All we can do is keep sharing the truth and keep praying for God to bring people earnestly seeking the truth to this site.


Many are afraid to recommend this site because it goes against what they have been taught ( PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE )

The 7 PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE IS A FALSE DOCTRINE.

THE BIBLE IS THE INERRANT WORD OF GOD.

JESUS IS GOD SON ( JESUS IS GOD )

THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS.


All we can do is keep sharing the truth and God will deal with the false teachers and those that continue to share false teachings on FIVE DOVES, all the other pre tribulation rapture forums and of course those that send out emails but are afraid to share JESUS and the TRUTH with people.


DO NOT GROW WEARY IN DOING GOOD!

JESUS KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON AND WHO IS STANDING UP AND CONTENDING FOR THE TRUTH OUR REWARD WILL BE IN HEAVEN.


God Bless

Steven

Thank you Steven! The encouragement is greatly appreciated, I know you need it too. I want to thank you for allowing the discussion and I Know exactly why you do. Because you honestly believe this site does not belong to you, but is the Most High's tool being used to get the truth out there to those that are looking for it.

I did want to ask, does a pre-trib rapture believer feel comfortable coming here? I was thinking this may be the problem. If that is the case, it appears the lines of separation has been drawn. It amazes me that even with the post with Tex Marrs that primarily holds the view most people have come to believe, and over 7,000 views...there was not ONE response! Go figure.

Anyway, I appreciate you and I want you to stay encouraged also.

Blessings to you Steven,

Blessed Be His Name

Hi Linda,

Thanks for your words of encouragement.

I do appreciate it but I also have to admit I'm passed looking for affirmation from men.

I only want to share the truth.

Regarding the pre tribulation rapture crowd :

Only God can open their eyes.

There is NOT ONE scripture to base a 7 year pre tribulation rapture.

I ask anyone trying to get a password except for a new person by the name of Richard if they can prove a 7 year pre tribulation rapture with scripture.

They can't and so I suggest I can recommend another site to them or sites

We are not here to fight or argue with other Christians.

I have tried to convince Five Dove Moderators and others to post articles, videos etc that will direct people to this site.

They refuse to do it. They are dogmatic in their stance about a 7 year pre tribulation rapture position.

They have a right to their opinion but preventing others from the truth will be on their hands.

ON another note I wanted to let you know I have taken steps to get a lot more traffic to this site.

Be patient within the next few months many more will be coming to this site for a few reasons.

ONE the 7 year pre tribulation rapture theory will lose a lot of people this year and as time and bible prophecy move forward.

TWO I have taken steps on the internet to move our site up the rankings when people search information about the BIBLE and the RAPTURE.


A lot is going on behind the scenes and of course God through the HOLY SPIRIT will be bring more and more people to this site.

Our facebook site is NOW up to 876 followers it is growing daily too!

The race is not to the swiftest or to the most popular but to those that are on the side of TRUTH.


The 7 year pre tribulation rapture doctrine has fooled many Christians but as time goes on they will figure out they have been duped and will find this site via the HOLY SPIRIT.

Keep looking up our redemption draws nigh.

I have posted many articles, videos recently about what is about to happen with the economy, the middle east ( Saudi Arabia : mecca) and not to mention the blood red moon etc a lot is about to unfold.

People will be seeking answers and we have a lot of them posted on this site.

God Bless


Steven

The Bible is the inerrant WORD of God

Jesus is God's SON ( JESUS is God )

The Holy Spirit will teach us all things!

Thank you Steven,

God Bless your efforts.