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Re: WHO IS ZION?

Let me correct the scripture that was quoted in my reply. I went ahead and copied it from Patti's post; therefore the insertion of (the Bride of Christ)is not in the Scripture at all but inserted by the source of the item. It should read as such.

"Before she travailed, she gave birth; before her pain came, she delivered a male child. Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day? Or shall a nation be born at once? For as soon as Zion travailed, she gave birth to her children. Shall I bring to the time of birth and not cause delivery? says the Lord. Shall I who cause delivery shut up the womb? says your God." (Isa 66:7-10)

Also, I'd like to add that God does not need the Body of Christ to deal with natural Israel nor does he need them when He is pouring out His wrath. With that said, we will just have to respectfully agree to disagree.

Thank you,
gerlinda

Re: WHO IS ZION?

Gerlinda,

Before we agree to disagree, could you at least answer the question I asked you?

How can you believe that only the Jews...which by the way are from only ONE of the 12 tribes, are the chosen people of God, and also believe that the Church is the Bride of Christ?? That would be considered a Replacement Theology.

I am really just curious as to how you see this. I answered your questions, I would appreciate the same respect.

Thanks!

Patti C.



Re: WHO IS ZION?

As far as what is being said here, Patti is understanding correctly. There is a carnal understanding and there is a spiritual understanding, this is clearly taught in scripture. The carnal mind understands Israel according to the flesh, meaning the carnal mind thinks that an Israelite is born of the flesh; his fleshly lineage makes him an Israelite. But the spiritual mind understands Israel according to the spirit, meaning the spiritual mind thinks that an Israelite is born of the Spirit; his spiritual lineage makes him an Israelite.

Just like Jesus is the spiritual Moses, the spiritual David, the spiritual Adam; He is the spiritual Jacob, the spiritual Israel. Just as Israel begat 12 fleshly sons according to the carnal seed, Jesus beget 12 spiritual sons according to the Spiritual seed which He sowed:

Lu 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

Now the apostles are the 12 princes of the 12 tribes of Israel after the Spirit, and all living Christians can trace their spiritual lineage back to one of the 12, and ultimately to Jesus Christ Himself, the Father of the Israel of God.

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

gerlinda you speak of replacement and this is a fair word, as the apostle teaches:

Ro 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Ro 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith.

So from the tree of Israel branches were removed and replaced by other branches. But Israel hasn't been replaced, but some of the branches were. Now the branches of the tree of Israel are all according to the seed of faith in Christ.

Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

And the vine is?

Ps 80:8 Thou hast brought a vine out of Egypt: thou hast cast out the heathen, and planted it.
Ps 80:14 Return, we beseech thee, O God of hosts: look down from heaven, and behold, and visit this vine;

So Jesus says I AM Israel, and YOU are the branches.

What Jesus did was to resurrect the dead understanding of the carnal mind, and translate our understanding into the heavens, that is, raising our thoughts and understanding of the Word of God from the earthly, carnal realm; and into the heavenly, spiritual realm- that now we see with eyes of the spirit and not of the flesh, for the flesh is profitless, and by the flesh no man knows the things of God:

1Cor2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

Babes in Christ understand with the carnal understanding of the flesh, but those of strong meat discern the spiritual.

If you're pointing at the children of the flesh and saying "here is the Israel of God" then you are succumbing to the strong delusion of the carnal understanding, and it is this understanding that blinds carnal Israel to the truth; the veil of the flesh.

Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

As the heavens are higher than the earth, so is the spiritual understanding higher than the carnal understanding. Believe me when I tell you that anyone understanding prophecy through what they can see with their eyes are succumbing to the strong delusion and will fall "and how great that fall"; believe me when I tell you everything you are seeing with your eyes is a lie, and the lies will only get bigger and bigger until culminating in the coming of the King of Lies in the 10th month to tell the biggest lie ever told.

The word "repent" in the Greek "metanoia" means THINK ABOVE, CHANGE YOUR THINKING.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

gerlinda here is a question to honestly consider:

You point at a group of people and say "Here is Israel after the flesh", but what happens if I ask, "How do you know this is really who they are said to be?" You have no geneologies to prove this. How do you know this is Israel after the flesh? You speak of an Illuminati- how do you know they have not staged this entire thing? How do we know that these aren't really the sons of, say, Esau? Surely you've heard people claiming that the Illuminati created the modern nation of Israel? How do you know they're not right? If Satan is in control of the nations, how hard would it be for him to counterfeit bible prophecy in a carnal way? How hard would it be for Satan to arrange the nations, and put the sons of, say, Japeth, in the promised land and call them the sons of Jacob? How do you know it's not one big lie designed to trick you?

If you are honest with yourself you'll understand that you can't know these things. The Lord in His wisdom has made the things of the flesh completely meaningless. You cannot be sure that that carnal people is who they are said to be; it may be true, then again it could very well not be true; we just are not able to be sure.

Now, I point at a group of people and say "Here is Israel after the Spirit", and should one ask "How do you know these?" it is easy, I ask them "Who is the Son?" and if they answer "Jesus" then I respond "Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven" because that they know Who the Son is shows they have received the first rains of the Spirit, and are guarenteed Israelites of God. And I can be 100% sure of it, by and through the spiritual teachings of the Messiah Jesus- the true Israel of God.

Re: WHO IS ZION?

WOW! WELL SAID!!

Dear John,

That explanation is absolutely awesome!! I have never heard it put better!! Thank you so much for giving Gerlinda an excellent answer to her questions about it, as you did much better than I could have.

Again, you have added greatly to the studies that I have presented and I am so glad that you chimed in here, and helped show the importance of natural verses spiritual. This is imperative truth, that all believers must come to understand to graduate from milk to meat. Once they do, everything else takes on a whole new meaning, and it is so exciting...it is as if one's eyes and ears have finally been opened.

Bless you!! I cannot thank you enough for your aid in putting forth these foundational truths. I totally enjoyed what you said, and I know that you have helped others to understand.

Agape!

Patti C.

Re: WHO IS ZION?

Hi Again, John!

I forgot to ask you about the 10th Day of the 10 Month that you have mentioned several times in your responses here. I am very intrigued about it and the significance it holds in regard to the Antichrist. I wonder if you could share more about it with us all.

I am starting a new thread with a little of the info. that I have found out about it, and hopefully you can respond to this question there, as this thread is getting to long, and the title really does not relate to this subject.

Thanks!!

Patti C.