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David

Nov 10, 2013 - 11:53AM

Re: Exactness of Daniel 9 Timeline

Steven

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Hi David,

Here is one other view that can be considered as well. ( I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH YOUR CONTENTION THAT 7 YEARS REMAIN )

NO Seven Year tribulation.

That the Last Seven Year tribulation was already accomplished.

Take a complete view of this video and see if maybe this has a reasonable explanation that the Last SEVEN years has already been completed?

JESUS baptism was the beginning of the LAST SEVEN years

Jesus baptism - Year #483 of the 490 year spoken of by Daniel the prophet.

Jesus - was crucified after his covenant with many ( 487th 1/2 year )

and also consider that AFTER this the disciples did not evangelize until AFTER Stephen was stoned to death completing the 490th.

SEVEN YEAR MINISTRY begun by JESUS then the disciples began evangelizing the WHOLE WORLD.

JESUS BAPTIZED 483 YEAR

JESUS CRUCIFIED 487 1/2 YEAR

STEPHEN STONED TO DEATH END OF
"FIRST TO THE JEWS THEN TO THE GENTILES" MINISTRY. 490TH YEAR.

THIS VIDEO LAYS OUT THIS LINE OF THOUGHT MORE CLEARLY.

IT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

Respectfully,

Steven

I highly recommend this link to watch the whole series of videos that establish : LINK To these video series: 7 years already completed

PLEASE WATCH THESE VIDEOS BEFORE COMMENTING ON THEM TO REDUCE CONFUSION.

ISRAEL PROPHECY VIDEOS

Video #1 The Shocking Principle of Two Israels
Video #2 Israel and Jesus Christ
Video #3 Seven Years of Tribulation?
Video #4 Titanic Truths about the Temple
Video #5 Israel, Babylon, and Armageddon

Seven Years of Tribulation?

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Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
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Differ greatly Steven... as we are hardly into the everlasting righteousness stage..... and obviously the trumpets have not sounded and the vials poured out. Neither has the covenant been signed nor sacrifing started and stopped by the AC, neither has the vision and prophecy been fulfilled to completion, neither has JESUS been anointed...the MOST HOLY ONE as mentioned in Daniel 9.

Jesus was cut off was the end of the 69th week, straight forward and simple, perfect exact math. PROOF OF JESUS' DIVINITY.

One week left, seven years left, starting with the Covenant signing. SEE Covenant ARTICLE HEREIN

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Nov 10th, 2013 - 11:53 AM

Bruce

Nov 10, 2013 - 10:55AM

Re: Exactness of Daniel 9 Timeline

Exactness of Daniel 9 Timeline - ONE REALLY BIG QUESTION ?

Or maybe two.

You state, "....we shall flee into the wilderness for 42 months.." My really big question to you is who is "we" ? I think you are implying that "we" is the Church. I also think that you imply that you believe in the post-tribulation rapture position Is that correct ?

YBIC,

Bruce Warner

Bruce

Nov 10, 2013 - 11:04AM

Re: Exactness of Daniel 9 Timeline

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A 7-YEAR COVENANT.........

Jesus was in the middle of a 7-year confirming of a much longer covenant of God's grace when He was cut-off and crucified in the middle of the 70th Week of Daniel.

Had the House of Israel anointed Him as their Most Holy we Gentiles would not now be grafted in.

So don't be watching for the false notion of a 7-year peace treaty with the anti-Christ with Israel. It ain't gonna happen because it isn't Scriptural. It is an invention of men.

Scripture says two things have to happen before the rapture :

#1 The falling away from the gospel which is well under away

#2 The anti-Christ is revealed in Israel to the watching Church. The rapture soon follows the revealing of the anti-Christ.

According to Your Infallible Word, come Lord Jesus !

Bruce Warner, Scripturalist

David

Nov 10, 2013 - 11:49AM

Re: Exactness of Daniel 9 Timeline

Thanks Bruce, for writing me HERE rather than in my email. And Thank you for not suggesting that I am an imbecile for not agreeing with you or being out of my mind. So let me rationally, answer your question, you got from somewhere... even though not directly related to this specific topic of Daniel 9

Bruce

Yes, we flee into the wilderness as Jesus said, because we GATHER and follow the Lord's TWO CHRISTIAN Prophets.

SEE the multitude of Posts on this, and scripturial proofs HERE

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/2WitnessesofRevelation.html

WE is of course, Christians that get sealed for the Tribulation and who fight and defend our encampment against the AC. WE, is us Christians and those of any religion that become Christians and are sealed by the Lord. The Lord seals and not us, these are the 144,000. But first you must understand Daniel 9.

Yes we have to battle the AC, Yes we are not escapists, Yes the Lord expects those with faith to do with part?

What part of this do you not understand. Go back and study the exactness of Daniel 9.

But to help you, allow me to post the following ?

As obviously, blatantly we absiolutely know that Jesus has not been annointed the HOLY ONE as mentioned in Daniel 9 as the end of the time line.

I repeat Jesus has not been anointed for the Millenium, Read agin Daniel 9, everlasting righteousness has not arrived HERE on Earth, the prophecies have not been asll fulfilled until Jesus is annointed...

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Nov 10th, 2013 - 11:49 AM

David

Nov 10, 2013 - 11:55AM

Re: Exactness of Daniel 9 Timeline

In trying to figure out the possible dating of Daniel's Time Lines, I must have made a mistake because I didn't take into account that Daniel specifically stated that the end point of the LAST SEVEN YEARS was when the Lord brings 'in everlasting righteousness, and seals up the vision and prophesy, and the Mosy High One is anointed'. I assumed this would have been at the Great Consummation of the 7th Vial, also known as the Battle of Armegeddon, when the Lord returns and takes back his kingdom. But this is premature, as the Battle scenes have to be cleaned up, and the Lord must have a GRAND OPENING of His Temple, HERE on EARTH...... for only afterwards in a few months can HE (Jesus) be annointed, as the Millenial RULER OF HIS EARTH, for 'HE IS THE HOLY ONE and KING OF KINGS. Until then the vision and prophesy will not be sealed up and finnished, Jesus must be anointed properly in the proper place and time.
All the other dates and years and correspondances of all timelines seem to be correct and unchanged concerning their parameters of start and endings or fulfillments. So let me leave them as they were, yet allow me to say I made this mistake of the LAST SEVEN YEARS, .and lets see what happens in the near future with the Covenant Signing and Start of Sacrificing. Today being the FALL of 2013.
For as I have always said, we have to get the starting dates exactly right. The START of the LAST SEVEN YEARS, when all the world will be aware of the exact date the COVENANT is signed. And then later, the Covenant giving the security to allow the START OF SACRIFING beginning.. These BOTH being highly known, public events that we can use ts establish absolutely all our time lines., so they coincide exactly. WHY because we absolutely must know the timing of the nuclear war, that occurs 2-3 years later, and thereafter when the AC marches to Jerusalem and takes it and the temple for his world headquarters. For then will be the start of GREAT TRIBULATION as war is declared against us and any that dare not take the A.C. MARK.
The ending dates and events are really not that important to us, as getting it right and exact for the GATHERING and our FLEEING into the wilderness (Petra). We have to know the middle times of the Last Seven Years. The rest of the dating and events will follow as the Lord unfolds what He has told His prophets, and told us of the END TIMES.
Therefore let me slightly modify the dating and lets get it RIGHT even if in HINDSIGHT, so our foresight will be as the Lord wants it.

Onward Christians Soldeirs ......

Love in the King of Kings..Jesus

David

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Nov 10th, 2013 - 11:55 AM

Steven

Nov 10, 2013 - 12:08PM

Re: Exactness of Daniel 9 Timeline

Hi David,

Did you watch the video?

Did you consider that maybe ...just maybe that your understanding of a 7 year endtime could be incorrect?

If you have watched the video or have considered the possibility that there is NO 7 year tribulation since the 7 year PRE TRIBULATION rapture theory is a lie perpetrated by C.I Scolfield, John Darby and Samuel Utemeir taught in bible seminaries such as Dallas Theological Seminary and Moody Bible college and published by Oxford Press bibles here is a LINK to more indepth and further information about this FALSE 7 YEAR PRE TRIBULATION LIE:

Scolfied Bible False Teaching

ZIONIST OCCULTIC CONNECTION

Many on this site have studied this and are in alignment with most of the information provide.

I pray you will take the time to review the information.

MAY THE HOLY SPIRIT GUIDE YOU.

Respectfully,

Steven

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Nov 10th, 2013 - 12:08 PM

David

Nov 10, 2013 - 12:24PM

Re: Exactness of Daniel 9 Timeline

Agree, pre trib rapture is a crock.... to put it mildly. Scofield started it, but escapism is a popular topic for any preacher who wants to keep their congregations in the dark and comfortable.

WE are to gain faith and strength, and wisdom and want to fight to the very end as we will be doing and as the Lord promised. We are not a bunch of whoosies

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Nov 10th, 2013 - 12:24 PM

Steven

Nov 10, 2013 - 12:31PM

Re: Exactness of Daniel 9 Timeline

Hi David,

Good so far your points are valid and I agree.

This site exists to share the TRUTH ( JESUS CHRIST) the penalty of going against Pre tribulation rapture attacks and accusations.

This site exist to evangelize the lost to JESUS CHRIST!

This site exist to say to the WORLD....The bible is TRUE!

Jesus is God ( God Son! )

The Holy Spirit will teach you all things if you ask.

No we are not woosies....in addition, the battle belongs to the LORD we can pray that God will USE us to share HIS TRUTH.

Respectfully,

Steven

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Nov 10th, 2013 - 12:31 PM

David

Nov 11, 2013 - 8:12AM

Re: Exactness of Daniel 9 Timeline

Actually Steven, if most of you HERE agree on events of the rapture, do show your timeline.

So I can visually see where we might agree or differ.

Mine is here...

as it is confirmed by all the other eight or so timelines or timeframes of the Lord and scenario of events... in my opinion.

But to start with just the basic Daniel exact timeline would be great.. Thanks

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/Danieltimeline.html

LIJ

David

Now back to the exactness in history and math Daniel 9 is...

The great Messianic proof Prophecy... Jesus died in 29 A.D. not any other time frame, and so is the MESSIAH.

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Nov 11th, 2013 - 8:12 AM