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John Tng (7 Sep 2013)
"The Day of the LORD is finally here!"

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Dear Doves,

Many moons have past since the opening of the website; to be precise, 1 shy of 200. Year after year, feast after feast, the doves are gathered here, watching, waiting, and hoping. There were times the watching was super intense, and there were times we were sleeping; at least for me, that is. Looking for a mega sign is what kept us watching through the ups and downs. Finding a mega sign means that the day of our redemption is close at hand -- the rapture is about to happen.

Many watchers are growing in excitement over the phenomenon of the tetrad -- the four blood moons. Few years back when Mark Biltz's discovery was first mentioned on the Doves, my interest in it was mild; I didn't expect to be around in 2014-2015 to witness it.

Now I think the TETRAD is God's final warning to watchers like us something MEGA is about to happen!

Unfortunately, the world is not paying attention. In fact, many Christians are totally ignorant of the tetrad sign. For those who are aware, some pooh-poohed the sign and took pains to point out that 1948 is not 1949 when the 1949-1950 tetrad supposedly pointed to the fulfillment of Israel becoming a nation in 1948. Perhaps the fuzziness of the time window (fuzzy to them, that is) will lull them into sleep and the Day of the LORD will catch them unawares.

For us, our antennas should be all up. Just looking at the last three tetrads alone, it's clear that the sign is supernatural and real. Given that if a tetrad is off by a year, this is merely 0.05% (based on a time span of 2000 years). But when you compound the probability of picking 3 dates spot on the last two thousand years, the odds are 1 in 8,000,000,000 !!!

I am not even considering all 7 tetrads since 1 AD; their odds are way off my calculator display screen.



God foretold the Final Tetrad in the Bible!

To me, this is the MEGA sign we have been looking for!

God actually foretold the final tetrad in the Bible. He did it in such brilliant simplicity that it amazes me that its discovery is not reported sooner. The timing of the final tetrad is hidden in plain sight for anyone who bothers to look into the Bible for clues.

On the day of the first Pentecost, the apostle Peter stood up and quoted the blood moon prophecy of the prophet Joel. There are only three scriptures in the Bible that contain the words, 'blood' and 'moon':

Joe 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;


The first two scriptures are essentially the same, i.e. in Act 2:20, Peter quoted word for word the blood moon prophecy of Joe 2:31; we know what it refers to, the phenomenon of the eclipses of the sun and moon -- the final tetrad, the great and terrrible day of the LORD. Let me show you how God placed its timing in both verses: H2015 (Strong's for 'shall be turned') in the first scripture and G2016 (Strong's for 'notable') in the second scripture!

No doubt the skeptics will jump in and say, "Wait a minute. But I thought the tetrad is supposed to occur between 2014 and 2015, not between 2015 and 2016?" [.... eyes rolling ...]

Never mind the demand for a perfect match. Let us first take a closer look at the G2016 entry in the Strong's Concordance.

G2016 επιφανης epiphanes {ep-if-an-ace'} from 2014; TDNT - 9:7,1244; adj AV - notable 1; 1 1) conspicuous, manifest, illustrious.

Did you notice that? G2016 is from G2014 !!!!!!

It turns out G2016 is the adjective form of G2014. We will look at G2014 in a moment. But you can see the timing of the blood moons as recorded in the Book of Joel and the Book of Acts matches Strong's numbers with zero wriggle room! God inspired Dr. James Strong to order the Biblical words to align with the heavenly signs for us blessed end-time watchers. Now we know without a shadow of a doubt that truly, the great and terrible day of the LORD is finally upon us -- a dreaded day for the world, but a blessed day for believers who will escape all that is coming to the world.


The Blessed Hope

We have seen how the blood moon tetrad of 2014-2015 is uncannily hidden in the two scriptures in Joel and Acts -- both referring to the same heavenly event. The year 2015 is not even hidden in Joe 2:31 -- it is recorded openly if you care to look it up in the Strong's Concordance.

The year 2014 is thinly veiled in Act 2:20 since the Greek word G2016 is really rooted in the Greek word G2014. So the start of the final tetrad in the year 2014 is referenced in the New Testament and the end of the final tetrad in the year 2015 is referenced in the Old Testament.

How cool is our God!

What has been ascertained is the startling precision of the Bible in giving us the EXACT timing of the apocalyptic tetrad. But what about the rapture, our blessed hope? Is it also hinted somewhere?

You bet!

Dr. James Strong and colleagues basically clustered Biblical words that are similar (in terms of verb, noun, adjective) in their mammoth task of indexing. And so the Greek words from G2015 to G2017 are essentially derived from the root word G2014.

G2014 επιφαινω epiphaino {ep-ee-fah'-ee-no} from 1909 and 5316; TDNT - 9:7,1244; v AV - appear 3, give light 1; 4 1) to show to or upon 1a) to bring to light 2) to appear, become visible 2a) of stars 3) to become clearly known, to show one's self.

G2015 επιφανεια epiphaneia {ep-if-an'-i-ah} from 2016; TDNT - 9:7,1244; n f AV - appearing 5, brightness 1; 6 1) an appearing, appearance Often used of the glorious manifestation of the gods, and esp. of their advent to help; in the NT the advent of Christ, -- not only that which has already taken place and by which his presence and power appear in the saving light he has shed upon mankind, but also that illustrious return from heaven to earth to occur in the future.

G2016 επιφανης epiphanes {ep-if-an-ace'} from 2014; TDNT - 9:7,1244; adj AV - notable 1; 1 1) conspicuous, manifest, illustrious.

G2017 επιφαυσκω epiphausko {ep-ee-fows'-ko} a form of 2014; TDNT - 9:310,*; v AV - give light 1; 1 1) to shine upon 1a) Christ will pour upon you the divine truth as the sun gives light to men aroused from sleep.


G2015 is from G2016 which is from G2014; G2017 is also a form of G2014; thus, all three Greek words are traced back to G2014.

When you examine the four occurrences of the Greek word G2014, you don't get a direct sense that it is referring to the rapture: a) Luk 1:79 To give light [G2014] to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death; b) Act 27:20 And when neither sun nor stars in many days appeared [G2014]; c) Ti 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared [G2014] to all men; and d) Ti 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared [G2014].

Although the rapture is not explicitly referred to, there is intimation in some verses above. However, when we examine the Greek words G2015, G2016 and G2017, ALL point clearly to the coming of Jesus without exception. Since these three words find their root in the Greek word G2014, I venture to say that the rapture will take place in the year 2014 BEFORE the great and terrible day of the LORD comes.

These are the six scriptures in which the Greek word G2015 is found: a) 2 Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness [G2015] of his coming; b) 1 Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing [G2015] of our Lord Jesus Christ; c) 2 Ti 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing [G2015] of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death; d) 2 Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing [G2015] and his kingdom; e) 2 Ti 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing [G2015]; f) Ti 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing [G2015] of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.

The above are undoubtedly rapture scriptures!

The Greek word G2016 only appears in Act 2:20, the tetrad scripture. I believe the rapture will take place on the Feast of Trumpets in the year 2014, September 25. It would have been too obvious for God to place the Greek word G2014 directly in Act 2:20 -- the New Testament equivalent of Joe 2:31. Even so, G2016 is so closely linked with G2014, being its adjective, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the connection.

G2017 is another form of G2014, also a verb. It appears only once in the Bible in Eph 5:14, "Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light [G2017]." Clearly, this is also a rapture scripture. Intriguingly, the gematria value of G2017 is 2016!

Thus, the four Greek words from G2014 to G2017, are SPOT ON if something MAJOR prophetically happens within the time of the final tetrad in 2014-2015. Collectively, the dozen of scriptures in which the four Greek words appear, describe the time of Jacob's Trouble, the time of the antichrist, the time of the judgement of the world, and the time of the rapture -- all triggered by the onset of the blood moons tetrad!

On a scale of 2000 years, this is pinpoint precision.



The Hebrew Word H2015

The Greek word G2014 intimates the appearing of Jesus at the start of the final tetrad to rapture the bride. What about the Hebrew word H2015, translated as 'shall be turned' in Joe 2:31, which refers to the sun turning black? Besides indicating the start of the great and terrible day of the Lord, does the Hebrew word H2015 have anything to do with the rapture in year 2014?

Apparently it has!

H2015 appears 94 times in 92 verses in the Old Testament; it is translated as 'turn' 57 times and 'overthrow' 13 times. Frequently the word haphak is associated with judgment. The first nine occurrences confirm its negative usage: i) Judgment of Adam and Eve in Gen 3:24 ... a flaming sword which turned every way [H2015] to keep the way of the tree of life; ii) Judgment and the overthrow [H2015] of Sodom and Gomorrah (3x); iii) Judgment of the Ten Plagues -- the rod which was turned [H2015] to a serpent; the river were turned [H2015] to blood; And the LORD turned [H2015] a mighty strong west wind; and the heart of Pharaoh and of his servants was turned [H2015] against the people (5x).

Could the judgment of the End Times begin in the year 2015, a time of great tribulation?

It very well could.

The Greek word G2015 appears 10 times in the Book of Psalms. I was curious whether it is somehow connected to the hidden prophecy in the Psalms. Lo and behold, its last occurrence in the Psalms is found in Ps 114 -- the psalm that corresponds to the year 2014!

Psa 114:8 Which turned [H2015] the rock into a standing water, the flint into a fountain of waters.

The context of Psalm 114 is the Exodus. The hidden prophecy could very well point to our Exodus from Egypt, a type of the world, to the Promised Land, a type of Heaven, in the year 2014.

So the final tetrad prophesied by the prophet Joel in the year 2015 is hidden in Psalm 114, pointing to the year 2014, which is the start of the final tetrad. We now have two double witnesses which absolutely nail the date of the blood moon prophecy:

Joe 2:31 (H2015) <=> Act 2:20 (G2014 <= G2016)
Joe 2:31 (H2015) <=> Psa 114:8 (H2015; 2014 <= hidden prophecy in the Psalms)

The matter is sealed when we realize that the chapter order total of the four scriptures is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ! Joel chapter 2 is chapter 878; Acts chapter 2 is chapter 1020; and Psalms chapter 114 is chapter 592. Since Joel chapter 2 is a double count, add these four chapter order numbers and the sum is 878 + 1020 + 878 + 592 = 3368 -- the Greek gematria value of LORD JESUS CHRIST (in-text value)!

Finally, if you add the total gematria values of the EIGHT (the final tetrad is the EIGHTH) verses of Psalm 114, the total is an incredible number that is FOUR TIMES the LORD JESUS CHRIST (3168; concordance value)! Is the Lord trying to underscore the significance of the FOUR blood moons starting in the year 2014?

One last thing I should mention is that the Joel prophecy signals the time of the end when the antichrist shall rule. Well, the gematria value of Joe 2:31 is TRIPLE 666 !!!

Also, I cannot resist mentioning another coincidence. Of the 92 verses in which the Hebrew word H2015 appear, only Psa 66:6 bears the beast number. Add the chapter order total of Psa 66:6, Psa 114:8 (hidden prophecy in 2014), and the final tetrad scripture, Joe 2:31, the sum is a surprising figure: chapter 544 + chapter 592 + chapter 878 = ?

I leave this as a small assignment for you. :)

Come, Lord Jesus!

John

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About the John Tng letter.

I am sure God does NOT fulfill His prophecies based on the Gregorian Solar Calendar the secular world uses today.. I am sure He still uses the Hebrew Lunar Sacred Calendar of the Bible where Passover is always on the 14th of Nisan.

Here is a quote from his letter: "I venture to say that the rapture will take place in the year 2014 BEFORE the great and terrible day of the LORD comes."

The rapture comes EXACTLY ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD WHICH THE SCRIPTURE CALLS "The day of Christ." That will be Nisan 10, 2016.



He also states, "I believe the rapture will take place on the Feast of Trumpets in the year 2014, Sept. 25." Well that completely negates John 4:35-36 where Scripture states that the rapture will take place when the barley fields are "WHITE FOR HARVEST" which is always in the month of Nisan which is April NOT SEPTEMBER !



The rapture will take place on Nisan 10, 2016 when the barley fields are "white for harvest" in the month of April, 2016 four days before Passover on Nisan 14, 2016. Count on it !!!



Come Lord Jesus !



Bruce Warner

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Hi Steven!



Yes, I did see that you posted John's letter, and I was so busy with other stuff that I decided to wait until today to respond. First of all, let me say that I feel 2016 could be it, although 2017 might be better...I know many see it as the Rapture, but I see it as the Second Coming.

I do not believe in a pre-trib rapture, and I think it is a false doctrine and a very damaging one at that.

So, as to John's post I think it is misleading and not founded on Biblical truth. If one needs a Concordance to match up numbers to point to something that does not exist in the Bible, I would have to call this someone a false prophet. Especially when he calls the rapture the DAY OF THE LORD!! This is a lie and misleading.


I am working on a post about just that. Truthfully, I think John is just buying time to keep his web-site on the same track of watching and waiting for their blessed hope, which they call the pre-tribulation rapture. The Bible says nothing about our blessed hope being an escape from the Tribulation!!


Our blessed Hope is Jesus Christ, He was, is and will be the only way to eternal life. A man who will not accept the studies of others if they disagree with what he thinks, is not someone I would trust to know the Truth of God's Holy Word. He is obsessed with numbers and seems to think that Strong's Concordance is written to reflect the numbers of God, when plainly it was man who divided the verses into numbers. I am not impressed by his speculations, as they are just that groundless speculations.



If these men are considered to be learned men of God, I am glad that I am just a babe. These men are giving Christians, that do not study on their own, false hope and false information and I would not want to be them at the Judgment Seat of Christ. They have a responsibility to lead others to rightly dividing the Word, and to a clearer understanding of what the Bible teaches, and instead they are hung up on their own ideas and searching for how to prove these ideas.



Sorry, I am just upset that they keep doing this and leading so many astray. But, about 2017, I feel that could be exactly when Jesus will return, and we will be raptured right before the destruction of the earth. I believe that Satan is going to be thrown down this fall and will have the short time of 42 months to terrorize the earth. The blood moons are a refection of the horrible things that will be happening to all on the earth...especially the Jews...it is not about anybody getting raptured or escaping this final testing. So, from this fall, adding 42 months would bring us to the spring of 2017.



I would be really interested in what you think of these letters. I really enjoy when you speak about your thoughts on these matters as you are someone I do respect and who deeply cares about viewing all sides. Frankly I have lost interest in waiting for a pre-trib rapture, and therefore do not read many letters on 5 doves as they are all rather boring and misleading. I just wish everyone would study on their own and find out for themselves what the Bible is telling us. You are great at providing information and serious studies into the truth, and for that I am grateful. I guess the old adage of "you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink" applies to all aspects of knowledge.


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Hello all!

There are many things that bother me about this letter written by John Tgn. I will try and address them all in this post, because I feel that someone in his position is doing a great disservice to so many Christian people, who look to him to lead them in rightly understanding the Holy Scriptures.

Before I get into the study itself, I would like to discuss the man, himself, and my experiences with him. This is not to judge him, or to put him down, but to show what kind of person is writing the study, and how that makes a difference in whether to put stock into what he wrote, or not. This is just my opinion, but there is much about his study alone, that I will also be looking into, and these problems would stand on their own if I never even knew this person. So, I am starting with the man, and will then address his study.

John is so caught up in proving a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, that he will not even entertain the studies done by others, that may disprove his theory, to see the light of day on his web-site. This tells me that he is very insecure in his beliefs, if he will not allow others to post biblically based and well researched studies, if they contradict what he believes. And, another thing, in this regard, his web-site does not stipulate that all the letters have to be about a Pre-Trib rapture, and if they have to be, then he should alert people to this fact. Also, he refuses letters without ever telling anyone why he refused them, I guess he did not want to admit the real reason.

This is not second hand knowledge on my part, I used to write, almost everyday, on his site, and he refused many of my studies because I might of been presenting another view than the one he holds. That has to be the reason, because he never wrote to me and told me why. But, it was not just me, I know of several really good writers that have been banned because they tried to present studies of there own, that may have been contradicting his opinions. I have talked with these people and that is the conclusion they came to, also.

Okay, enough about that. I just think it is important to understand that finding the Truth in studying the Holy Bible must be done without any preconceived notions, or at least not done in the spirit of finding only what fits these notions and disregarding the rest. I guess I was trying to show, that if a person does this in one aspect of their life, they are apt to do it in others. If the author is suspect, maybe their studies are also.

Now about his study:

First of all he starts out by saying that for years he has been looking for mega signs that will tell him when the Pre-Trib rapture of the Bride will happen. To me, and to what I know now, this is waiting for something that is not even in the Holy Bible, as Jesus is not coming three times, and there is only one rapture of all believers, not several for different groups. But, that is beside the point. He admits that he is constantly looking for signs, and has been for years. And now, he has found a Mega Sign. I think it is all good and well to keep watching for the signs of His Coming, but I think there are much more important things to be doing, like studying His Word, having a closer relationship with Him, developing a more Spiritual outlook on His spiritual message. Looking for signs outside of oneself and not what He reveals to one personally, is without merit on its own. Besides, what did Christ say about looking for signs.

Mat 16:4
"A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed."

Looking for the signs of His Second Coming would be more appropriate, at least that is what is true and searchable in the Holy Scriptures. But searching for something that is not there, and using the Scriptures that are referring to His Second Coming is not in any way rightly dividing the Word of God. So, to me, his whole study is built on a false premise.

The next thing that really gets to me is how he, and Pre-trib believers, call this pre-trib rapture OUR BLESSED HOPE. This has always bothered me, as how can we even think such a thing? Is the Bible all about us, or all about JESUS? There is only one blessed hope for all mankind and that hope is Jesus, and His appearing!!! Appearing in our lives, in our hearts and at His Second Coming. He is what the Old Testament is about, He is what the New Testament is about...He is all and everything!! To call a false doctrine of escape from the Tribulation our blessed hope, verges on blasphemy!!

The third thing that casts doubt on the validity of John's study is his obsession with numbers, and relating numbers from a man-made source, Strong's Concordance, to the Truth revealed in Scripture. I have seen so many pre-tribbers do this. I know that the Hand of God wrote the Scriptures, but I doubt He also wrote the Concordance! John's study is almost entirely based on the numbers used in Strong's to denote different usages of Hebrew and Greek words. Truly, what do these numbers have to do with what is being conveyed in any verse of the Bible? To me, it is as if someone is purposely trying to not see the forest through the trees!! Basing Biblical proof on man-made numbers as to the timing of an event that is not even in the Bible, is confusing and taking something simple and complicating it to the point it is not even recognizable anymore.

I was also amazed at how many times John used the words such as these to describe the revelation he was getting: THE HIDDEN PROPHECY, UNCANNILY HIDDEN, VEILED, HINTED, and IS NOT EXPLICITLY REFERRED TO. This does not seem right, and verges on using numerology, which is a form a divination. This is almost an example of someone using the tools of Mystery Babylon, to discern the Truth of God!

We must take care to not focus on the Lord’s secret will inordinately and at the expense of His will revealed in Scripture. Primarily, we remember His hidden will so that we will not forget that God has a good purpose for His people that cannot be thwarted. But we are to live our lives according to His REVEALED will. What does the Bible say about this:

Deuteronomy 29:29
“The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law."

Isa 40:5
"And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and ALL FLESH SHALL SEE IT TOGETHER: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it."

Mat 11:25
"At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes."

2Cr 4:2
"But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God."

Isa 45:19
I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.

Jhn 18:20
"Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing."

The mysteries of the Old Testament are revealed in the New Testament, and anything a believer needs to know Jesus plainly tells them. He plainly tells us that He is coming again, and what signs to look for. He never tells us He will be coming in secret before the Tribulation, nor did He share this with any of His disciples or followers. I think I trust what Jesus has to say about it, and I think we all should. It is dangerous to consider another Gospel.

Lastly, but very important, is John's usage of the phrase "The Day of the Lord", or should I say misusage. Actually it is his contrary usage that is the most confusing and telling at the same time. He does not seem to know what this day is, and not to know just what it means, as he uses it to describe the secret rapture in his title of his post, and then later on uses it to describe an event that happens after the rapture. Below are his words and quotes.

Here is the title of his post: "The Day of the LORD is finally here!"

And here is the next time he mentions it in the same way, as denoting the time of the secret rapture:

"Perhaps the fuzziness of the time window (fuzzy to them, that is) will lull them into sleep and the Day of the LORD will catch them unawares."

Then he uses the phrase two more times, and each of these times he is speaking about events that take place after the secret rapture.

"I venture to say that the rapture will take place in the year 2014 BEFORE the great and terrible day of the LORD comes."

"Besides indicating the start of the great and terrible day of the Lord,"

Which is it John? Is the Day of the Lord the secret Pre-Tribulation rapture, or is it the Second Coming, or is it something else all together? I am sorry, but someone who is so confused about this day, that they herald it as the secret rapture, and then shows it to be something that happens after the secret rapture, cannot be trusted to be rightly dividing the Word of God, to the point that anyone should believe it.

I think the Pre-Tribulation rapture theory is like a sinking ship, there are just too many holes in it to keep it afloat much longer. People are beginning to search the Scriptures for themselves and finding out the real Truth. I honestly feel that this study, by John Tgn, is a last ditch effort to hold on to something that has been a foundation for his other beliefs, and if this one is not true, he has to examine so many others.

I pray he comes to know the Truth, and begin to consider the studies of others, and allow those studies to be shared on his site. Things are happening fast, and there is little time to be lost in some false doctrine of escape.

Patti C.

P.S. This site is just the opposite, and is a great place to learn and grow, as many views are shared openly, and sincere debate is encouraged. If anyone from 5Doves is reading this, please consider checking out the information being shared here, and join in the conversation.

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Per John Tng's quote:

The Brightness of His Coming speaks of His Second Coming, does it not? The whole world will see His Coming.



The above Mystery is perfectly matched by this scripture:


Alright, now, if the Dead in Christ are raised BEFORE those living at His Coming, the above assumption that it is speaking of a Rapture cannot be made.





I read the whole article and it seems that John has made a case for the Tetrads and word numbering that fall on the years of the Lord's Feast, happening together at End at the Jewish New Year of 2015/16 which shall produce the Year of Jubilee, when ALL debt is forgiven.

World conditions happening right now show all of the signs given in Matthew 24 adds to the lateness of the hour. When Israel is divided, there will be a quick Destruction. It has been told to Israel, through a Bible Code found that she is to see the Battle of Gog & Magog as one and the same with The Battle of Armageddon (in the Valley of Jehoshaphat}

There is no solid case whatsoever to believe that this would be the beginning of 7 years of Tribulation; especially when the Bible does not even mention 7 years tribulation. The scriptures in Daniel are referring to the last 7 years given to Israel to finish their period of transgression, of which we know, at least 3 1/2 years were accomplished by Jesus Christ's years of ministry and death.


gerlinda

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