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THE RESTAINER, REVISED AND CENSORED

Hello all fellow watchers,

I am updating this post for a couple reasons. One, I think it is very important, as it is a foundation stone for the pre-tribulation rapture belief, and should be addressed as to what it is really saying. Many who answered my last post, put on information that showed or supported other views, but no one addressed the view I presented and did it with their own research into it. I cannot find one other study that has come to this conclusion, so does that mean that I am all wrong on what I see? Besides, the Lord keeps prompting me to pursue sharing this with others, so I am. Secondly, this post was censored, and not put on the Doves web site today, and that makes me wonder why?

So, please help me figure this out. Am I that off base, or am I treading on the wrong toes, because if what I say is true, then one major foundation stone of the pre-tribulation rapture, crumbles? I have look into this throughly and watched all the videos and studies that were sent in reply, but I am still convinced that what the Holy Spirit showed me is the right way to divide these verses.

Below is my slightly revised original post, that was censored. And may I add here, that any web master has the total right to censor what he or she wants. This just seems a warning sign to writers that they are off the mark, but in this instance I am worried I might be too close to it.
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THE RESTRAINER AND WHAT IS BEING RESTRAINED

Hello All!

I know that most believe it to be the Holy Spirit, that is restraining Satan incarnate from coming on the world stage. I certainly did as well, but is that what is really being talked about in 2Thessalonians 2? I think this confusion comes from misunderstanding who or what is being restrained. Most think it is the man of lawlessness, the son of perdition that is somehow being restrained from coming upon the scene by the Church and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. But is that what Paul is really talking about. No!

Let's remember, to keep it simple and deal with things in context. Once we do that, we can plainly see what is being revealed in these verses, with just a bit of research on a couple key words. I think the confusion about these verses happens when we come to these passages with preconceived notions, and are looking for support for those notions. If we look at these verses, with innocent eyes, as if reading them for the first time, and not having any idea of what is being said before looking at them, the truth is revealed.

First and foremost, who, or what is being restrained? Quite simply and remarkably, it is so obvious, that it is the SECOND COMING OF THE LORD JESUS!!! And Paul makes this abundantly clear, if we just look at it, as it is written. Let's do that, verse by verse.


2 Th 2:1 ¶"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him,"

What is the subject of this discussion? It is all about the Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto Him!!! Simple.

2Th 2:2 "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand."

Paul is telling them not to worry, or be troubled because they have been misinformed that the Day of the Lord is at hand. (The Second Coming, not a secret Rapture).

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Let's really focus on the words "that day shall not come". What day? The Day of the Lord!! That is the whole subject, that is what is being restrained. What is restraining the Day of the Lord? Two events that must take place; one being the falling away of the Church, into apostasy, and the second being the revealing of the man of sin.

Let no man deceive you by telling you that these two events have already happened, because the Day of the Lord cannot come until these two events, that Paul already told them about, are fulfilled.


2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

In this verse, Paul is describing the son of perdition, and what he will do, BEFORE THE 2ND COMING OF THE LORD.

2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

Here Paul is reminding them that he had already explained all this to them, these things that must happen BEFORE the Day of the Lord.
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

PLEASE NOTE HERE: Paul says "WHAT WITHOLDETH", not WHO is withholding. It is not a person, or a spirit!!

What is restraining or withholding? That 'what' is two events, that 'what' is not a person, but, it is these two events, that must come to pass BEFORE, the Second Coming of the Lord.

Paul is reminding them that they already know what is restraining the Second Coming of Christ, the two events that he had already explained to them. These events are withholding the coming of the Lord. It is His plan, that He revealed to Paul, and until these things happen, the Lord will not come. He, the Lord Jesus, will be revealed in His time.

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.

The above verse is where it gets a bit more complicated to glean its true meaning within the context already established. But, it is not by any means impossible if we look at the Greek words, and their meaning being used here. What is most interesting here is that the words """"""'letteth' and 'taken' seem to have just the opposite meaning of what one would think they mean. First let us look at the meaning of the word 'letteth', as used in this verse.

'letteth',
Strong's G2722 - katechō

Outline of Biblical Usage

1) to hold back, detain, retain

a) from going away

b) to restrain, hinder (the course or progress of)

1) that which hinders, Antichrist from making his appearance

2) to check a ship's headway i.e. to hold or head the ship

c) to hold fast, keep secure, keep firm possession of

2) to get possession of, take

b) to possess

So, we can see to us holding back, or restraining seems to be just the opposite of letting...that is confusing and needed to be understood before an understanding can be had. Now let's look at the word 'taken':

Strong's G1096 - ginomai TAKEN

1) to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being

2) to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen

a) of events

3) to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage

a) of men appearing in public

4) to be made, finished

a) of miracles, to be performed, wrought

5) to become, be made

We find the word 'taken' to actually mean to be made known, appear, come on the world stage. That sure seems the opposite of taken, as in taken away, or taken out of the way.

Now lets put that verse together using what we found to be the correct meaning of those two words. It would go something like this:

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now restrains, or hinders (the course or progress of) the Coming of the Lord, until he (the man of sin) arises, appears in history, and comes upon the stage.

Paul addresses both events by saying, the mystery of iniquity, meaning the falling away, is already happening. The second event that is hindering the Second Coming, is the revealing of the Antichrist. The Antichrist being revealed... is taken out of the way, of Christ's Second Coming, by being revealed.

Or more simply put, what is being restrained is the Second Coming, and what is restraining it are two events that need to happen first. These two events are in the Lord's time table, and when it is time, He will reveal Himself, to the world at His Second Coming.


2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Satan shall be revealed for what he is and be destroyed by the brightness of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.


2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Christ will take out the coming Anti-Christ who deceived the whole world, when He comes.

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Christ will also destroy all those who are unrighteous and deceiving their fellow man. All those who did not love the TRUTH.

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Does this make sense to anyone else out there? It sure makes sense to me, and I am not sure why I was prompted to look into this today, but I have seen these verses with new eyes, and they seem much easier to understand then ever before. It seems extremely important to know what is being restrained, before we come to any other conclusions.

What is being restrained? It is the DAY OF THE LORD that is being held back until two events take place....one, the falling away of the Church in apostasy, and two, the revealing of the Antichrist. These events must happen first, before the Lord will return.

This is the Plan of the Lord, and all will be revealed in its proper and appointed time.

PRAISE THE LORD!!!

Blessing of His Grace to all!

Patti C.

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Thanks for helping me out and giving me some input on what I am saying here, not just the studies of others.

Agape!
Patti C.

Re: THE RESTAINER, REVISED AND CENSORED

Hello All!

After posting some major new revelations today about the 1000 years, I now see how well it fits what the Lord showed me about the Restrainer and what is being restrained.

Jesus in restraining Satan, where he has been bound, until the Age of Grace, the 1000 years, is over. Of course it has been more than a literal 1000 years, that was just a symbolic number, and He has been delaying so that as many that could be saved and sealed, before Satan is thrown down to earth for a short period, will be saved.

I have to say, that revealing this understanding to me, about the restrainer, before the revelation of the 1000 years, was a wonderful way to open my eyes to the rest of the truth.

I am thrilled, this is really fitting together, spiritually first, and then out it will play out on earth. I am so grateful that He is giving this opportunity to me to really see and hear what He is saying, and doing.

PRAISE THE LORD ON HIGH!!

Agape!

Patti C.

Re: THE RESTAINER, REVISED AND CENSORED

Hi Patti,

I read your initial article on the Restrainer and now your up-dated one. I don't know what the answer is to what you suggested but you did open up a whole different belief then that it is the Holy Spirit. You brought up the fact that what is being restrained in the actual coming of the Lord Yeshua. That seems to be tied to what I've been nagged over but in a different context.

I'm sure you have read "The Prince and A Cup of Tea". Did you notice that on the personal crest that each Royal has created for himself/herself includes the lions, etc. but on the right side of their crest is the ONE HORNED beast they call the Unicorn. Around the hoof of this Unicorn is a chain. On all past individual crest, the eyes of the Unicorn was like that of a horse. But, on the personal crest of Prince Charles, something changed. His Unicorn (or beast) now has a human eye rather than an animal. Is it during his time of history that this will happen or is he even the One? The author of the book made reference to the fact that the chain is known as The Restrainer. I do not recall if Prince Charles' chain around the beast with the single horn on his head is unlocked yet or not. I will try to find that out if it is so or not and get back to you.

I believe they know that they cannot go forth with their ultimate plan until that restraining power is released. This brings to mind in Revelation 9
"And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star from heaven which had fallen to earth and the key of the bottomless pit was given to him." I will not type up all of the scriptures but verse 7 tells us something. Notice that this STAR is given the key to UNLOCK something. That angel is Lucifer himself who when he is thrown down has now been given the key to release his demons and the king over those demons known as Abaddon in the Hebrew or Appolyon in the Greek.

The kings, queens, captains, etc. of the world are waiting for their chains to be released to be totally free to go do their final time of causing so much chaos that they hope to either get remaining mankind to follow them in their attempt to stop the coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ or to destroy the earth rather than give it up to Him.

You did well to bring up another thought. I also agree it is not the Holy Spirit but the Spirit of a whole different kind. Their restrainers are finally removed, all Hell is at this Fallen Angel's beckon call.

Thanks for having the courage to dare express a different understanding when it is given to you.

Gerlinda

Re: THE RESTAINER, REVISED AND CENSORED

Patti,

The title of the book I was making referring to is "The Antichrist and a Cup of Tea".

Re: THE RESTAINER, REVISED AND CENSORED

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Re: THE RESTAINER, REVISED AND CENSORED

Upon looking up The offical Coat of Arms of Prince Charles, at the time of his marriage to Princess Diana, the Restrainer was still on the Unicorn's leg. However, in the later, unofficial version of Prince Charles arms, the chain is detached from the base and no longer restrains the unicorn. Further, the unicorn's reared-back countenance looks fierce and its right rear hoof is suddenly elevated from the base.

(from page 191 of The Antichrist and a Cup of Tea)

Unknown to most of the world is the fact that Prince Charles has been so very, very busy in directing the affairs of the world and he is also a practicing Moslem.

Let me add one more thing. If my opinion about the Restrainer being applied to the coming of the Star to Fall from heaven with the key to the Aybss, I'd like to ask, "How much time is given for these demons coming out of the Abyss under the leadership of their King given to torture men where-by men will seek death but it will not be allowed to be given to them." The answer is Five Months.

Next question: Then what?????? Aren't we very close to the actual return of Jesus Christ at that time?

Re: THE RESTAINER, REVISED AND CENSORED

Awesome information Gerlinda!

Thanks for adding that, as it makes much sense. If it is Prince Charles, then he would also have an "image of the beast" in his son, Prince William. I have always wondered which would be the earthly incarnation of satan.....the pope, or the royal family, buy actually they are very connected. An unholy trio would be the Pope, Prince Charles and Obama!!

Whoever it is, as soon as he is unbound, we will have only 42 months until the Second Coming, as satan is only let out for that length of time. It is getting so close to the end of the age.

Bless you dear lady!
Thanks for you input, and for reading my letters. Much appreciated!
Patti C.