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Frank Molver (5 July 2013)
"Patti re dismanteling 10 virgin parable warning"



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What this boils down to is a dismantling of any New Testament warning for Christians to be careful in their Christian walk
It falls in to the once saved always saved category

Some others have tried to make the argument that the warnings to the 7 churches are only to the non believers in the churches.
Is that what you think too?

There are several here that agree with you
There are many here that warn otherwise

What a sad day it will be for those who make the wrong choice and teach the wrong thing.

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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
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Patti C (8 July 2013)
"TO FRANK M. / DISMANTELING VS RIGHTFULLY DIVIDING"[color]

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TO FRANK M. / DISMANTELING VS RIGHTLY DIVIDING





RE: ( Frank Molver (5 July 2013)

"Patti re dismanteling 10 virgin parable warning")





Frankly, Frank, I found this letter to me to be very hurtful and demeaning. There are many things I would like to say to you, but have thought better about it, and will do my best not to follow your lead. Just so you know, I have had numerous supportive letters written to me, from many other sources other than here on Five Doves, that have commended me for "rightly dividing the Word" in regards to this parable. I certainly do not mind that you disagree with me, and I have been nice enough to let you know that I respect your views, even if they differ from mine. But this letter from you was below the belt and you made it personal, especially assuming you could put me into some group that you believe is teaching the wrong things. Shame on you!





Most importantly, I want to let you know that I don't belong to any certain group. I believe in God's Holy Word and what I find out via the Holy Spirit while studying for myself. I have absolutely no loyalty to any man's or woman's exegesis, unless I find out the same thing for myself. That being said, I am not a member of the once saved always save club...and truthfully not even sure what that means. I believe what Jesus tells me in that regard...YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN. To me that is the end all be all of whether one makes it into heaven and into the Kingdom of God.





You wrote this: What this boils down to is a dismantling of any New Testament warning for Christians to be careful in their Christian walk.



Let me remind you here of a paragraph I put in part one of my study:



""All the parables of Jesus are like an onion in that have many layers and many applications. It is certainly alright to look at this parable as a warning to the Church also, but that does not mean that Jesus is referring to the Church when he gave this parable. It seems we have taken this out of context, although the content is valid for all believers."





Truthfully Frank, are these the only verses in the New Testament that speaks to the Church and warns to always be watching? You know that isn't so!! How about the context of the parable, the when and what. So, now let me ask you something. Are you a member of the REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY GROUP? Do you think that everything written in the New Testament is for the Church and only the Church?



You wrote this: Some others have tried to make the argument that the warnings to the 7 churches are only to the non believers in the churches.

　

For your information, my Master Thesis, in Bible College, was on the Seven Churches. Of course I do not believe such a thing!! What does that have to do with the parable of the 10 virgins?? For that matter, what does the once saved always saved view have to do with the parable? I just do not see where you are coming from with all these off base questions.





Let me remind you here of something I wrote in part two of my study:



""The wise virgins are all born again believers that come to Christ during the Tribulation whether they are Jew or Gentile. Likewise, the foolish virgins are all those who do not accept Christ as their Messiah even though they will have the testimony of the Two Witnesses and the 144,000. When they finally realize that He is, it will be too late to be born again. That is my take on it, and I see how much more we are understanding what the Scriptures are telling us the closer we come to the Rapture and the Tribulation".





Therefore, the foolish virgins in the church, if we look at this parable as for only the church, get a second chance to become wise before the Second Coming.





You wrote this: There are several here that agree with you

There are many here that warn otherwise.

　

As far as I can tell you are the only one warning me, and I am not sure of what! Others who have disagreed have done their own studies and presented them in a respectful and knowledgeable manner. Where is your study? I have never set out to TEACH my views to anyone, I am just presenting what I am finding out. Everyone is free to agree, or disagree, or accept or reject how they see fit. I take offense to you warning me to stop sharing my studies or I may be guilty of some wrongful eternal deed. Unreal!!!



You wrote this: What a sad day it will be for those who make the wrong choice and teach the wrong thing.



Again, I am not preaching or teaching anything as the absolute truth, I just sharing my insights on something that I feel is valid. You made my day a very sad day by trying to frighten me away from what the Lord is telling me to do. To me it is a sad day when any fellow Christian would do this another.



　

Yet, as an end note to all this, there is something we do have in common and maybe it is a group that we both belong to. You have said that the Lord told you that BHO was the Antichrist even before he was elected. Well, the same thing happened to me. In early 2006, I saw him for the first time on TV, and the Lord spoke to my heart and said "this man is the Antichrist"and that was over 2 years before he was elected. So, I choose to end this letter on a positive note, with something that we both agree on. Amen to that!





YSIC



Patti C.

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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
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Steven

I don't think anyone reads Revelation chapter 1, verse 1. It says:

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave unto him, to show unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and SIGNIFIED it by His angel unto His servant John:"

The Book of Revelation cannot be read with the "natural" mind. We are all supposed to have the Holy Spirit within us, and we should be able to see "spiritual things" when they are indicated TO BE SPIRITUAL.

When a book is said to be "sign/ified", that means it is seen in symbols and signs.

A "WOMAN" is a church or religious system...whether a good one or a bad one. The "woman" in Rev. 12 is the "Church" who is faithful to Jesus Christ. The "woman" in Rev. 17 and 18 is the worldwide church system which is an apostate "harlot" system. All denominations are included in this "harlot church". We are told to "come OUT OF her my people"...see 18:4. God is talking to HIS PEOPLE, and His people are the "body of Christ". He wants them to have nothing to do with this church system.

There is absolutely NO INSTRUCTION IN THE NEW TESTAMENT TO JOIN A CHURCH OF ANY KIND. Hebrews 10:25 are instructions for the "assembling" of groups of believers. No DAY is mentioned for "church building" services (like the Roman Catholics have), and certainly not "Sun-day" which has been proclaimed as a day to "worship the sun god".

God wants ALL His people out of this evil religious system because it is corrupting His people with FALSE DOCTRINES and TRADITIONS OF MEN. Rules, regulations, and by-laws are not part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Read the Book of Galatians.

A "VIRGIN" is a believer in Jesus Christ who has not fallen for the lies told in today's churches. A "virgin" is spiritually pure and has doctrine from the Bible alone. No doctrines taught by "man" are acceptable to our Lord Jesus Christ....see I John 2:27.

There are no "Jews" in the Book of Revelation...other than those warned about in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, and they are called "the Synagogue of Satan". The "Israel of God"...Galatians 6:15-16...are those in Revelation chapters 7, 12, and 14. They are BELIEVERS IN JESUS CHRIST. God, Himself, has defined them for us.

The "sealed" of Rev. 7 are NOT the same as the "tribes" in the OT. Every time the tribes are listed in the OT, they ALWAYS begin with the tribe of Reuben. Here, in Rev.7, they begin with the tribe of JUDAH (which indicated Jesus Christ). The 144,000 is a symbolic number representing God's government (12 X 12) with 1000 being the ultimate count. The "144" is the same number as the measurement of New Jerusalem (144 cubits in Rev.21:17), which is identified as the "bride, the "Lamb's wife".

THE 144,000 ARE NOT JEWS....THEY ARE THE CHURCH! God has told us who they are. They are "virgins" (have pure doctrine) and they have come out of the world's great tribulations (which we all have to go through this...see John 16:33).

Perhaps you can understand this more clearly by reading this by someone who perfectly understands the "spirituality" of the Book of Revelation:

http://www.godfire.net/eby/rev-98.html

There is no such thing as "replacement theology" because there is nobody to replace with something else. ALL THROUGH THE BIBLE, beginning with Jacob (the FIRST "Israel"), ALL BELIEVERS are called "Israel". Israel coming out of the wilderness in the OT were a "MIXED MULTITUDE"...Ex.12:38. The ONLY requirement to be "Israel" was to be circumcised. In the NT, it is "spiritual circumcision" (of the heart). The Jews were never "Israel"...and they are not now. So, nobody is replacing anybody.

I don't even begin to understand the expressions used today like "your walk with God", and "being a better Christian". They have absolutely NO biblical definitions. I'd like to see scripture and verse on either one! Or maybe these are things that are just spouted from the voices behind the pulpits. We should not be "parroting" things we hear from "men"....if we have not checked these things out in the Bible FIRST.

Christians should open their Bibles and stay home on Sundays. If they did this, I believe that their doctrine would be much improved. (But leave your televisions and radios off as well).

Arlene