Hi Lewis....I just posted this new one, but in case you missed it, I thought I would make it more likely you see it here.

Please, point out to me IN THE BIBLE even one verse...or word that says "Jewish" or "Jew" in Revelation chapter 7.

My dear "brother"....it's NOT THERE. And God doesn't mean things he doesn't CLEARLY say. The "Jews" were FINISHED in God's eyes with the destruction of their temple...which Jesus told them would happen if they remained in unbelief. They, along with a good part of the world, are ALL still in unbelief. And God is no "respecter of persons"...nobody has more value to Him than anyone else....including the Jews. See Acts 10:34-35.

Maybe this will clarify why Rev.7 is speaking of.....

Arlene

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I remember STUDYING about the "marriage" of Rebecca and Isaac:

Genesis 24:67..."And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and TOOK Rebekah (had sexual relations with her), and she became his wife; and he loved her: and Isaac was comforted after his mother's death."

THIS IS MARRIAGE! ACCORDING TO GOD'S DEFINITION, YOU ARE MARRIED to ANYONE with whom you "join your body"....in other words, anyone you've had "sex" with is your husband/wife.

The Bible says NOTHING about standing in front of ANYONE and making vows (that you don't keep, anyway) to anyone, as being the definition of "MARRIAGE". Whom you join your body to....you are "married" to.

[Now go and call people who are polygamists "sinful and evil"...."take the beam out of your own eye, etc"...Matthew 7:3]

LISTEN CAREFULLY TO WHAT GOD IS TELLING US ALL! We are the "BODY of Jesus Christ" (spiritually). We are "born again" INTO HIM. We are THE LOWER PART OF HIS BODY....FROM THE NECK DOWN. Jesus Christ is our HEAD...and the BODY IS CONNECTED TO THE SAME PERSON AS THE HEAD. We are NOT a "decapitated" body...our life and thoughts come from Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit (as Rebecca came to Isaac through the guidance of the "servant of Abraham"...and at the end of the journey, the marriage was consummated).

If the HEAD has the name of "Jesus Christ", then WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE BODY?? Revelation 2:17 says we shall receive "a white stone with a new name". If our HEAD has the name of "Jesus Christ", then what NAME do you think we receive?

If my name is "John Doe". My head is "John Doe" as is my body....because they are CONNECTED TO EACH OTHER. And thus are we all in JESUS CHRIST....BECAUSE OUR "NEW NAME" WILL BE THE SAME NAME AS HIS when our "marriage" to Him is CONSUMMATED.

BUT WE MUST GROW SPIRITUALLY...from "little children", to "young men", to "fathers" during our time here on earth....see I John 2:13. God does not "marry" children. His ultimate "WIFE" (after the consummation) will rule and reign with Him. A "babe" (or child) in Christ is not qualified to do this and will not be "chosen" for this honor.

It is explained very well in what is told to us about the 144,000 who are "sealed" by God....those who are making the journey (through the Holy Spirit) to qualify. They are "spiritual virgins". They have NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING JEWISH. AND IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH BEING FAITHFUL TO THE "WORD OF GOD" (Who is "Jesus Christ"...see John 1:1)

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Understand what journey each of us should be taking, as explained by J. Preston Eby:

Piece of the article:


“Out of Jacob came twelve sons and they were mighty ones, God’s Israel for that generation. Out of them came twelve tribes, and they were God’s Israel for their generation. Then, finally, out of the twelve tribes came Jesus, and while Jesus was in the world, He was God’s Israel, God’s Prince. Then out of Jesus came a generation of enChristed Israel and they were God’s Israel, God’s mighty ones, for their generation. Then over the last 2,000 years have come generation after generation of enChristed Israel. Each out of the previous generation, and they were God’s Israel for their generation and now, we who have been called and chosen by the Spirit of God out of the masses of the world and religious Babylon, that God might deal with us and change our nature, that he might change our name — we are God’s Israel for our generation!


http://www.godfire.net/eby/rev-98.html


Another piece of the article:

All who are called and chosen of the Father as king-priests are diligently climbing up that ascending pathway! We are daily applying ourselves to this walk! By the strength and power of the Christ within, we are pressing upward through one tribe at a time. The twelve tribes were not all birthed at the same time! The head of each tribe was born in his time, one after another, until all twelve had been birthed! This is a picture of our progression in spiritual life from one tribe to another! As we pass from tribe to tribe we experience within ourselves all that each tribe embodies. When we have arrived at the last tribe — Benjamin — we will be sons of the right hand! We will have experienced within ourselves all the authority, power, and dominion of God’s omnipotent throne! Once the reality of each of the twelve tribes has been progressively fulfilled within us, the victorious believer is then complete, mature, and has attained the first resurrection and the glory of manifest sonship. We will be able to rule over all things as sons of God! God’s promise to Abraham in the long ago will at last be fulfilled in all its glorious and eternal reality — “in thee, and in thy seed, shall ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE EARTH BE BLESSED!

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This link describes the journey through ALL the "tribes" in the life of the believer:


http://www.godfire.net/eby/rev-99.html


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Now you should know what your "new name" will be when your "marriage" is consummated and "New Jerusalem" is REVEALED. IT IS THE REVELATION OF "JESUS CHRIST".

BUT....we have to wait for this until all of Gods plan for this age is completed. New Jerusalem is revealed when the "new heaven and a new earth" comes to pass...see Revelation 21:1.

If what you are told in the Bible does not match the doctrine you believe....REPENT (re-think) of your false doctrine NOW, and start studying the Bible for what it REALLY says....and not what some Pastor tells you it says.

I like to think of it as we are "climbing up Jacob's ladder" as we become, as Jacob did....the "Israel of God". The "first step" of the ladder has changed us to "Israel" in making the higher journey until we have reached the "consummation".....ever looking forward to that "joy" that Paul saw as the "prize" of the "high calling"...Philippians 3:14.

Arlene

Lewis,
I agree with you 100% brother. It's as clear as it can be that the 144, 000 are virgin men, 12, 000 of each of the 12 tribes of Israel. There is no question about it, no matter how much Arlene tries to torture the scriptures. God bless you brother!

Kevin

Thankyou, Kevin....

Ah!....I see "alike minds" conspiring and blessing each other! How it is so like someone, who knows little, to "pat the back" of another who also knows little!!! Perfect!!

I think there's a "kind and gentle" verse for that one...

Luke 6:39..."And he spake a parable unto them, 'Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?'"

What sheer wisdom Jesus gives to us....

Arlene